Maybe you shouldn't overpay for brands?

[IRR]

Sent: Today at 12:48:54
Quote: veranikalenanika from Today at 00:59:36

Well yes, yes, - Moulinex for example

And some will rest on the sidelines. No, well, really? Let's give the people a chance to figure it out, for those who want it. (I'll throw off mine in the evening - everything is mine in another computer)

IRR Precisely The people who are thinking of buying a stove will just look.

Sent: Today at 14:02:49
With Delfa, everything is clear, the service is carried out by the seller himself, but what about the Orions?

I think not everything is so sad, for example, when I bought mine, I was also puzzled by the service, especially since these stoves will no longer be supplied to us, so I called T *** ly's service asking what to do if there was a breakdown. They explained to me that if the stove was bought from them, then while it is under warranty, they will not even repair it - they will immediately return the money, Well, if after the guarantee, then if they pick up a part from other stoves. As they explained to me, almost all the details are interchangeable.
I think that's probably the case with the Orions.

[veranikalenanika]

veranikalenanika It is sad for those users who lose a spatula on the 2nd day of the HP purchase, or a bucket leaks A spatula from another model may not be picked up, there may not be a bucket, like a service, Believe me, a person who paid even $ 40 for a stove will try to repair it until the end. I can say so as a person working in the service all his life. of course there are exceptions ...

[sazalexter]

sazalexter
Agree,

It is sad for those users who lose a scapula on the 2nd day of purchasing HP, or a bucket leaks A scapula from another model may not be picked up, buckets as well as service may not be available

But buckets and agitators are just not a problem - for example, they told me offhand in the service two models of bread makers from which you can take

[veranikalenanika]

veranikalenanika It is sad for those users who lose a scapula on the 2nd day of buying HP, or a bucket leaks

Do buckets in cheap stoves suffer from leakage? How many I read the forum only firms remember .. I will not write which ones.

[Gypsy]

gypsy Sent: Today at 22:16:22
Do buckets in cheap stoves suffer from leakage? How many I read the forum only firms remember .. I will not write which ones.

Gypsy Yes, I also remember only two brand firms with such leaks.
That's just sazalexter as it turned out it works in the service,

Sent: Today at 20:47:00
It is sad for those users who lose a spatula on the 2nd day of the HP purchase, or a bucket leaks A spatula from another model may not be picked up, there may not be a bucket, like a service, Believe me, a person who paid even $ 40 for a stove will try to repair it until the end. I can say so as a person working in the service all his life. of course there are exceptions ...

So maybe he knows better.

sazalexter Orions treat without problems at the service opposite our warehouse. Our warehouse-regional-serves 3 areas. Buckets-SIMILAR with Delphi and other inexpensive. Stirrers too. Only the shape of the bend may be slightly different. I have a more rigid form on the older Delphi. And complaints about Philips, see below (or above) about the young ladies.
Regarding, not to find Delphi in Russia, so you have the same ones. In Metro, we have absolute analogs, Infinity. In general, deliveries from Russia have now gone, our relations have changed at a high level, Vitek is again increasing its turnover. I love him very much, high-quality equipment for a good price. Only there is no HP yet.
And the new Orions, almost all have already dispersed. Today came again-mnogooooo! And the buckets in cheap stoves are powerful !!! Believe me, I'm certainly not a service technician.But I see and can see EVERYTHING that is included. And the service technician is only what gets to be repaired. And we take the goods for ourselves only after consulting with the service workers - what gets to them is swept aside. Orions 205 fall - for some reason a weak point - transmission from the engine. Repairs are said to be elementary and free, since if they fail, then soon after purchase. And those that work are no longer scary.

LenaV07 and it is programmable, has 2 forms and a dispenser. This dispenser gave a head start to the Panas - only the 205 expensive model was from what I saw. And now here is Orion. And the stove is remarkably pretty. But I love my Delphi very much and selflessly! I sprinkle nuts and seeds and all sorts of seasonings after her shrill cry. She loves when you approach her, hums happily)))))))
It's just that when people put baked goods with stitching and want additives, the dispenser helps out. Otherwise, for example, the raisins will grind into pieces. I have so little Delfa loved to interfere hard.

Something I didn't get it right - you can equally lose a blade from a mixer, both in an expensive and in an inexpensive stove. This is already a problem by the zone (as they say in Ukraine) of this topic, it is more likely in the topic on our forum "Doctor, I'm here for you"

This is my yesterday's bread - 300 ml of liquid, half of which is kefir, the rest is water, flour 1 grade, 3 tbsp. rye spoons, 2 tablespoons. spoons of malt + Vikina ripe sourdough. the photo from the phone is not very high quality, I apologize in advance. But there is a roof, everything is about. to.

[SoNya 68]

SoNya 68
Frankly, for 3 years of operation of my HP I have never used a dispenser and a delay ... But programming is yes, it is very convenient ... Only I did not see this function in the description of Orion 24 W. We're talking about the same stove?

Yes? I'll have to look, I pulled out the manual, looked at it rather quickly, which I also really liked - the instructions contain a complete schedule of the workflow, in minutes and sequence.
Well, this suggests that it has once again been licked from some powerful brand. That is, production has been resumed.

IRR, look what Orions you have there

[SoNya 68]

SoNya 68
Frankly, for 3 years of operation of my HP I have never used a dispenser and a delay ... But programming is yes, very convenient ... Only I did not see this function in the description of Orion 24 W. We're talking about the same stove?

I used the dispenser five times, all the time. I use the delay more regularly, this is when there is absolutely no time. But I don't see any sense in programming at all. It's better to bake in the oven.

No-no-no, programming is a very handy feature. In the same way that I have not used the dispenser, I have never baked with the standard programs. I didn’t have to adjust to the programs proposed by the manufacturer, I introduced my own process and began to bake in KhP. I never have a question with the fact that I need to adjust something somewhere, interrupt there, wait here, etc. The oven is an oven, sometimes it is busy with something else, sometimes it just doesn't want to "fire it ", someone doesn't have it, and so on.

I don’t know ... it’s easier for me to knead in Kenwood, and watch the process according to the circumstances.

I used the dispenser five times, all the time. I use the delay more regularly, this is when there is absolutely no time. But I don't see any sense in programming at all. It's better to bake in the oven.

And I use a dispenser almost 50% of the time. And I can't even imagine a stove without programming. For example, white bread in our house comes only in the form of baguettes. Therefore, the baguette program was created on the basis of French bread, by reducing to 0 the last rise and baking. And I put them almost always on the timer for the night (the duration of the kneading and 2 rises 2h 25min.), And in the morning I get up to mold the baguettes and the last rise and baking. As a result, fresh cooled baguettes are just for lunch and you can sleep well. I can’t even imagine how to do it without programming. I don’t have enough programming in the multitel. So that, for example, first baking for 20 minutes, and then stewing for 1 hour.And I was not there at that time

[SoNya 68]

a gypsy woman, yes, they brought them too! Cool stoves.

SoNya 68, Lyudochka, and how many green kostue?

When buying brands, a person must remember that he gives part of the money for the brand, for the NAME! Brands are good, who has money. But again. I had a lot of non-branded equipment (and is), which served and serves faithfully, and it cost me 3 times cheaper !! And there was also a branded one, which broke down within 3 months. And we are not talking about one thing. So in this matter, everyone decides for himself. But for those who have little money, I do not advise to spend money on a very expensive branded one. It is better to consult, ask people around and buy something from inexpensive

[veranikalenanika]

veranikalenanika
To ALL
I hope you did not have to "get" as users on "branded" products
PaWosonic, PanasoniK, Kaiwa, NokLa? .... And I had to repair such equipment ...
Now "firms" have become smarter, they sell the same "miracles of technology" under different names, I will not list them so as not to upset users, "Where there is a lot of wisdom, there is a lot of sadness, and whoever multiplies knowledge increases sorrow." Although super fakes under the brands SONY, Pioneer, Akai began to appear. It is very difficult to determine at a glance, only the "opened will show" their true essence
So, I would not wish anyone to either repair such equipment (often there is a complete absence of diagrams and manuals, this is ... not profitable for me to do whatever one may say, only one headache and resentment for announcing everyone like "rabbits") or buy, paying for functions that do not work or work "crookedly" !!!
The technique of well-known companies is easier to sell, despite the price tag (it is sold by itself)
But the rest has to be forced, people do not always understand that Vitek is "better" than Kenwood

Personally, despite all my beliefs that we overpay for brands, I will not buy equipment from a little-known manufacturer. The name is a guarantee of good quality and worthy service. Although I personally have never (at least I do not remember this) have worn my Sony, Panasonic, Philips ..... for repair. What I wish for everyone.

Personally, despite all my beliefs that we overpay for brands, I will not buy equipment from a little-known manufacturer.

You can't forbid living beautifully

Personally, despite all my beliefs that we overpay for brands, I will not buy equipment from a little-known manufacturer. The name is a guarantee of good quality and worthy service. Although I personally have never (at least I do not remember this) have worn my Sony, Panasonic, Philips ..... for repair. What I wish for everyone.

Talking about bread makers, this is not such a complicated device as a TV, for example, where you need the quality of the image, sound, etc.

Throwing on x \ n Panasonic with a large selection of non-Panasonic .. at least wild

Nothing is wild. Such a compact HP, with a motor at the bottom, and not on the side or behind, only Panasik. Basically for this she chose. Although my kitchen can not be called tiny, but for all Wishlist you still have to save space. You can scold Panasonic with any words (you do it well), but why offend all Panasonic owners, considering them narrow-minded? Everyone has their own reason. As far as I could understand your endless claims to Panosonik - this is the price. So at BORK it is even higher. BORK email teapots sells for 12 thousand. rubles. And no criticism is heard. Sorry for being too emotional, but got it.

As far as I could understand your endless claims to Panosonik - this is the price. So at BORK it is even higher. BORK email teapots sells for 12 thousand. rubles. And no criticism is heard. Sorry for being too emotional, but got it.

I have no complaints either to Panasonic or to other resounding companies, I just argue * out loud * that the bakery market is not limited to Panasonic, Philips and Sonya. Panasonic is not always better than Orion, not always. Motor underneath? - great, but someone likes the green color. Say it is not equivalent?

[Gypsy!]

Gypsy! Give us green Panasonic!

Come on, they nafig, overpay .. this * name * on bread you can't smear, I'd rather buy a lot of butter and caviar for the difference in price Give orange Orion! 🔗

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You can't forbid living beautifully

Miser pays twice.

Yes, it is not advised to cook jam-sugar crystallizing - it can break the gasket. I have not seen this yet, but they say it happens.

ABOUT! Lyuda - I wanted to draw attention to the current - my aunt came to me yesterday with teplokomunenergo, checked the meter, her aunt is so strict, you can't talk to her and don't joke much. And then my book was running out of payment, it turned out to be, so as not to go to them for a new one and not stand in line there in the heat, I decided to pay with one receipt for 2 months, in short, I had an underpayment. Well, I think the pipe - aunt schazz will erase me. But it never happened ... she went into the kitchen, saw my bread maker, blurred and became my friend forever. It turns out that she also has and she even cooks jam in it - and everything is great. Not one year already, and it does not burn and it turns out such as Globus, remember, a Hungarian company or something. Now I also want, but all in doubts .. I am very interested - will our inexpensive stove pass such a test?

And many here consider themselves to be simply wisely spending.

I, this is me, I am rationally spending If I understand that the same functions can be bought sometimes 5-6 times cheaper (this is me about the oven), then no name will motivate me to take an unreasonable step.

Yes? Well then, Irusya, we must try! Fuck with that bucket, we'll buy a dozen more)))))))))))
Gypsy, of course, you are the very best !!!

[sazalexter]

Sent: Today at 12:56:05
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For everyone: the principle of building many CPs ODM (ODM contract) - bread maker manufacturers https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...ion=com_smf&topic=26545.0

And the link and the topic - class! Thank you sazalexter .
I agree with you, you are really right in many ways and say reasonable things, but you must agree - now many Brands have gone too far and lately just stupidly ride on old yeast and even save on everything that is possible and impossible. Well take the same Moulinex eg.

[IRR,]

IRR, I also really like the jam from the bread machine!

Cook a little from one type of fruit, then from another ... Beauty!

But every time I put the jam to cook, I feel pangs of conscience - suddenly the bucket will be covered. I want to buy a spare new bucket, then I will make jam with a clear conscience.

Found in the internet - Avaricious pays twice, and smart - uses!

I'm really wondering - will our inexpensive stove pass such a test?

I don't see anything terrible in this, I cooked it, cook it for myself and cook it .. the bread scratches the bucket more.

Luysia, from the bottom of my heart, you should be especially careful with the Skim-cover, I don't know, but the seal must be protected!

Okay, that's it. I will cook from apricots. What else needs to be added? Do you need pectin?

I don't add anything, especially to apricots, plums, apples, they seem to have enough of this pectin

Okay, that's it. I will cook from apricots. What else needs to be added? Do you need pectin?

For an hour of cooking and without pectin, a cool jam comes out of apricots, I add only a little lemon juice.

I personally cannot compare correctly. I had 3 skis in my hands, 1 Kenwood and 1 Panasonic. That is, these are ovens on which I actually baked bread and more than once. I had no other stoves and I am not in a position to say anything about them at all. Neither bad nor good. Because in order to compare - you need to touch both. Of those that I had, in my subjective opinion, the ski is inferior to Panasonic, and Kenwood is inferior to both of them. However, the ski models were much older than the Panasonic model, so the question is probably simply technical progress. At Kenwood, the organization of the menu was unsuccessful for me and the instructions were disgusting. Here. There were no complaints about baking.I did not have any less well-known ovens at all (they were not on sale then, the HP market was extremely scarce - skis of two or three models), since one and that served 6 years and for all its rather long baking experience of my personally listed ovens - only two. The first one just got bored, not broke. And it has not broken down to this day and works for those to whom I gave it (which is almost 9 years).

I have a certain craving for brands, I know this weakness behind me. I honestly admit. Moreover, to premium brands.

[IRR,]

IRR, I also really like the jam from the bread machine!

I don't see anything terrible in this, I cooked it, cook it for myself and cook it .. x

Yes? Well then, Irusya, we must try! Fuck with that bucket, we'll buy a dozen more)))))))))))

WELL. FSE! I went to the front garden of the plum to be afraid - you persuaded me. That's why I love our website and forum - warmed up, robbed, warmed up, explained!

Hello!
So I joined the army of bread machine owners.
I chose for a long time, read the forums, since the sellers in the stores do not know what they are selling at all (they recruited students).
I immediately decided that I would take a budget bakery. I opted for Orion-205 (they praise it on this forum), but so far I decided to buy, the last one was taken (Foxtrot 700 UAH). There were no Internet shops. I decided to look for something else. I opted for Delfa 104708. I bought two of them. One for myself and one for my mother.
In the online store (412 UAH). Yesterday I baked the first bread program 1. Everything is buzzing. The bread is good. Today I baked according to program 5 (cake), it looks like a cupcake.
So when baking, the stove got very hot from all sides, and the cake came out not a cake, but a coal (all black and did not rise, but flattened and burnt). In short, the stove practically burned it, although everything inside is ok.
The question is - this is a marriage of a bread machine and you need to change it to a new one, or a program glitch. The owners of this model, tell me what to do (there are 14 days for an exchange).
In general, you need to create a separate branch for Delphi. I think this model will be a new hit.

P.S. I also thought about taking ORION OBM-24W, but nowhere was it written that there was an additional bucket for cupcakes either on the Foxtrot website or on the Orion website or in any Internet store. I understand that the model is new, the current has appeared ...
By the way, I asked the Foxtrot service workers, they said that neither Delphi nor Orions - there are practically no calls - everything works !!!

[zemma]

zemma With a successful purchase, I hope you!
The only thing that seems to me is that there are a lot of discussions of a narrow focus here that are of interest to the residents of Ukraine. In principle, it is better to place it here. https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=83.0 and here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=39.0
And Temka along Delphi can be done here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=325.0
For technical questions Delphi here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=41.0
Dear moderators, sooner or later, they will still "comb" it to make it beautiful

zemma I honestly haven't baked a cupcake yet. And if it happened -000, I will choose the batch first, then bake it.
The oven itself is just super. Heats up a little more than plastic, because stainless steel is heat-conducting. But beautiful! Well, what can you do ?!))))))))))))

[zemma]

zemma, Congratulations! I, too, was not honored with the cake and sho there in the program I do not remember - I have to read ... And what prompted you to this program, can I find out? You wanted a type of cake or Easter cake - there is program 4 - baking. And it's all about. to.

[Sweet bun]

Hear syudy. There are two programs similar to hearing in the stoves: Sweet bun and Cake(it was translated incorrectly for you, this Cake).
Sweet bun this is baking from yeast dough, for example Easter cake.
Cupcake (cake) this is baking on soda or baking powder, that is, it is without proofing and heating of this very proofing. The dough is simply mixed and baked.

[Sweet bun]

Hear syudy. There are two programs similar to hearing in the stoves: Sweet bun and Cake(it was translated incorrectly for you, this Cake).
Sweet bun this is baking from yeast dough, for example Easter cake.
Cupcake (cake) this is baking on soda or baking powder, that is, it is without proofing and heating of this very proofing. The dough is simply mixed and baked.

That's it ... well, now it's clear why it didn't fit.

[Conclusion]

I cooked a plum on the JAM program - that's what happened



It's so fast, it's so easy, it's so interesting! And finally, it tastes so good! I washed the plum (about 1 kg), poured sugar (about half a kilo), crushed a few pieces for juice and turned it on. The stove itself threshed and interfered when necessary. Then she began to heat and boil. Plums I had "not noble" - pull out the bones of the figli, they firmly dug into it. But when everything was cooked, I collected these bones with a slotted spoon and all the business! Yesterday with pancakes. And it became thicker this morning.

Conclusion - I liked it very, very, very much. And the jam itself and the method. Just for the sake of this method itself, one would have to buy a stove and mock it. You just need to immediately take a large 2-mixer mixer, so that kg 1.5. fruit fit and 700 grams of sugar - that's it! By the way, nothing has happened to the bucket so far, so t.t. (in the sense of nothing bad)

Why are you all so afraid of spoiling the bucket with jam? If you drain the jam immediately after cooking and rinse the bucket (or at least fill it) with water (preferably hot), then nothing will happen to it, since everything is liquid and safe. Problems can be if the bucket with the remnants of the jam is left to dry, and then try to turn the shaft. Here, yes, the caramelized sugar will easily scratch anything. But all of you here are not such slovens, do you leave dirty dishes? And, moreover, do not try to cook in it? So there is nothing to be afraid of!

[Allegra]

Allegra on SUPRA please post here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=72438.0
Here is a little more https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=72430.0.html
It seems like only one user of this miracle

Hello dear bakers! I have had such a stove for about a month. I am satisfied with her work, baked on all programs, except for fast ones, kneaded yeast and unleavened dough. Only here the instructions for it are completely scanty. There are only operating rules and, in my opinion, 6 recipes, and 2 of them are from your site.
Maybe someone knows a twin for my stove, and there will be detailed instructions on the programs, what and how long does it take in each program? And then empirically, sitting with a stopwatch, there is no time to calculate.

HOW !!!!!!! Is my oven completely unique? I really didn't expect it! Please help, huh?