Maybe you shouldn't overpay for brands?

If you can do it, you can do without HP, but those who do not know how, need a good reliable HP

If you can do it, you can do without HP, but those who do not know how, need a good reliable HP

the oven only kneads and bakes, the rest is all in your hands, put it in and get it

[good mood]

I don't know if the differences in breads are real from different HPs or, as my father says, these are third-order effects. I have two HP now, both are not cheap. So, in Yunold I didn't really like the bread. Maybe due to the fact that he (yunold) still needs to get used to. But I know for sure that when switching to another HP (provided that it is not defective), with basic knowledge, a relatively small curvature of the pens and brains, good mood the bread will work

However, one should not forget about some technical issues. If a reputable manufacturer guarantees that HP should work under such and such conditions (temperature, for example), then in non-brand technology the lottery factor is more manifested. For example, if the heating element in HP is set such that under normal conditions it is barely enough to get normal bread, with a slightly reduced voltage in the network, it will already give an unbaked roll or poorly risen dough. It's just that the tolerances for using the technique are different.

If a reputable manufacturer guarantees that HP should work under such and such conditions (temperature, for example), then in non-brand technology the lottery factor is more manifested.

What is a brand?
Brand (English Brand, [brænd] - trademark, trade mark) is a marketing term symbolizing a complex of information about a company, product or service; popular, easily recognizable and legally protected symbols of any manufacturer or product.

Well, and which of us has a non-brand stove? This is nonsense. Dear, inexpensive can share this way? Or by producer country? Moulinex brand? Why is the bread so pale in these ovens? On the other hand, maybe they specially adjusted their ovens so that the bread was healthier, because the network often writes that the crusts are harmful

About the lottery. Personally, I don't notice topics where there are many complaints about inexpensive x \ n. At the same time, service is often mentioned in the topics of expensive stoves.

[Gypsy]

Gypsy, well the word "name" has slightly different meanings depending on the context. A person with a name ... What's your name? The same applies to brands. And I am not suggesting that a brand is an absolute guarantee of quality. And among the eminent manufacturers there are those (alas, there are even too many of them) who, in fact, are not the first to pay attention to quality.

It's just that the user consciously or subconsciously has somewhat higher requirements for more expensive equipment. That is why they complain more often - they were expecting good bread right away, but it turned out that ............... And they are fooled with the service, because they feel sorry for the technique.
Cheap same - "what to take from her? She's cheap!", That's a certain indulgence. And where is their service? Broke down - buy a new one. This, by the way, is also not bad. And cheap can and will work like horses.

I am not suggesting that this works 100% of the time, but quite often it does. Look, one of the members of the forum died her "non-brand" HP and was replaced by another, not so eminent. And there were only a couple of posts about this on the forum, no one rushed to help with advice on how to revive the old woman.

[Gypsy]

Gypsy,
Cheap same - "what to take from her? She's cheap!", That's a certain indulgence. And where is their service? Broke down - buy a new one. This, by the way, is also not bad. And cheap can and will work like horses.

I am not suggesting that this works 100% of the time, but quite often it does. Look, one of the members of the forum died her "non-brand" HP and was replaced by another, not so eminent.

This is where we are heading ....: o A little story from an old book ...
Answer # 1: Nov 09 2010, 11:17 " https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...ion=com_smf&topic=92464.0

Boris Zubkov, Evgeny Muslin. A fragile, fragile, fragile world ...

One-day things. Reliable as a rope made of dough. Long-lasting like a piece of ice on a hot brazier. A handful of dust, a handful of smoke, no more. There were books with disappearing text - a week later you have white pages in front of you. Blackening newspapers that you do not have time to read and have to purchase the next hourly issue. Fast-cooling irons and low-melting pans. Micro-leaky canisters. Hardening pillows. Clogged taps. Perfume "Coco", starting to stink in a week. Blitzmetal nails. Paper TVs ... Their cheapness did not compensate for their fragility. On the contrary, cheapness ruined the buyer. The carousel of forced purchases spun faster and faster, exhausting the soul, emptying the pockets.

That is why I found this story that the question of rapid obsolescence and unreliability of modern technology was raised in the topic "What kind of bread machine to buy", which seriously echoes the question of brands.

She promised in another topic to show a bucket and a stirrer from her $ 70 stove made in China. The stove is almost 4 years old.
The old dent on the bottom of the bucket after falling on the stone floor did not affect the coating, everything is normal. Water droplets may be visible in the photo, photo after washing.


macro photography, everything is exaggerated


can someone help you when choosing a good and reliable stove for a small price. Let me remind you that there are no problems with the color of the crust, there are no problems with some kind of oil seals, rye bread from whole grain flour kneads perfectly, dumplings dough also kneads perfectly.

firm Morphy Richards model 48290 .. only in Russia and Ukraine stoves with the same muzzle are found under different names.
you have to look at the face of the stove, the name does not matter, they are all made on the same conveyor in China.

Girls, since there are the owners of Delphi, I will ask.

We bought a little Delfa for my mother at the dacha. I have a Panas with a dispenser, so everything is different. In Delphi, after about 12 minutes, the zemes stopped, stood for a long time and started again, making several squeaks. Stop for a raisin drop? Tokda why does it pick not before the pause, but after its completion? Is that how it should be?

There is not a word in the instructions about cycles.
If there is such information somewhere - send pliz
I also noticed that in the main (first) mode, she didn’t do the kneading, is that correct? In my Panas, it seems like 2 workouts, but one is so sure

There are much fewer people in the Delphi thread.
I'll wait here for experienced users.

She baked the first bread on Delph according to Panas's recipe only on pressed yeast. Quite decent bread, only it did not rise to the top. Maybe you need more compressed yeast than Panas, after all, the program is shorter. In general, everything works, but the stove costs a penny

Although these slips still bother me .. this is not a fast program, why are there no slips?

...
But what is the permissible weight of a loaf from a DELFA oven with two stirrers?
From SW.

I bought Delphi for two mixers for my parents and sister as a gift. Still, you should not overload the motor of the bread maker more than it should be according to the instructions, although the instructions seem to mistakenly write that the loaf is designed for up to 1800g, but in the version of the instruction in English it is written in pounds, that is, the limit of the stove is 3 pounds - 1250-1350g. It's just that the bucket is very high and roomy, it calmly gives out a loaf of 1500 g, but still the motor is overloaded and the stove may not last for a long time and it will be very sorry. Delphi has been with her parents since July 2010, they bake 1-2 large loaves a week, they have enough of them, there have never been any complaints about the stove's work, it is just excellent

[Sofim]

Sofim,

there are flips, 2 times something is tyrkatsya there - but how! Minor such, then there is the last rise and baking.Baking is an hour, and the kneading is an hour before baking, that is, when 2 hours remains on the display or 1-55 - I don't remember well, my mother has already had a stove for a year and she bakes mainly 2 progs (her medical indications are for whole grain and rye ), but there is a hitch - I definitely remember that.

[IRR]

IRR, thanks for the answer, I will try other programs, between them and I will notice some flips. But it didn’t seem to be here, or I got out

And tell me, are the recipes from Delphi correct or not? I read the whole thread, but something got confused in my head
Of course, you can use others, but I wonder what they wrote for Delphi

[IRR]

IRR, thanks for the answer, I will try other programs, between them and I will notice some flips. But it didn’t seem to be here, or I got out

can I?

[b
And tell me, are the recipes from Delphi correct or not? I read the whole thread, but something got confused in my head
Of course, you can use others, but I wonder what they wrote for Delphi

fair? I didn't bake on them, I immediately climbed into the site - a bun and so on. (with the total absence of weights, I can't tell you anything specifically, but the bread is good from it)

I threw Darnitsky from Fugasca on the whole grain program (I want to try different programs). By the way, in Panas for 3 years I have never used this program.

It's still interesting about the signal. He picks at everyone after a pause in the batch, and not before?

I abandoned Darnitsky from Fugasca on the whole grain program (I want to try different programs). By the way, in Panas for 3 years I have never used this program.

It's still interesting about the signal. He picks at everyone after a pause in the batch, and not before?

Wholegrain is program # 3? there warming up, it seems, is. I almost didn't bake on it - this warming up bothers me, it takes time. * JOKINGLY * I'm in the first and second heat. And I remember sweet. And I don't remember much about the peaks either, but I will meet the stove, try: rose: then I will write.

I did not notice warming up on the 3rd program, maybe somewhere in the middle? And so immediately the kneading began. Darnitsky climbed high, but at the beginning of baking he collapsed noticeably, I'll see what comes out. Yeast probably needs less. Baking on whole grain long, 1.20 somewhere.
Picked up again after a pause.

There are much fewer people in the Delphi thread.
I'll wait here for experienced users.

You can calmly consult with the owners of the Alaska stove - this is a copy of little Delphi

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...on=com_smf&topic=1997.260 this is my test of a freshly bought stove. true as a gift. So in this thread there are many experienced users of Alaska-Delphi and a link to the instruction is suitable and better than Delphi has.

It's still interesting about the signal. He picks at everyone after a pause in the batch, and not before?

Yes exactly.

Today I tried the program Sweet bread - a very impressive result, butter cake from Elena Bo for 500 g of flour rested against the viewing window, so it was driven up into the air

Download yourself the instruction for Morphy Richards, the link to which Gypsy gave. At least for Sweet Bread, everything went well with the minute schedule of the program.

And about 15 minutes before the start of the actual baking, the oven builds up the temperature at which the cake is not yet baked, but it grows vigorously, and then the roof does not crack during baking.

In general, the first experiment with Delfa satisfied me. Well, there will be a white spot at the top, so it is necessary for the future to recalculate the recipe for 400 - 450 g of flour.

Baking on whole grain long, 1.20 somewhere.

No, the actual baking - 60 min.

For Sweet Bread, it was the same: when the display reads 1.20, a "surge" of temperature began, which spurred the rise of the bread, and the shadows turned red only with the start of programmed baking, in 55 minutes. before the end of the program.

[IRR]

IRR Hello! I need your help! You use a Delfa 104708 bread maker, and 938 was in use. I need your opinion. I need a bread maker to bake bread, and so that I can knead the dough into dumplings, dumplings, yeast dough.Which one is the best for this task? And even now such a tempting offer at Foxmart 938 for 339 UAH. and 2 forms. I kind of want 104708, but I'm tempted to 938 for the stock. Interested in this question on 104708, but there is a choice of dough (like dumplings, etc.)?

[Luybasha]

Luybasha, a good promotion of 2 forms and at that price. There is something to think about. I'd take it. ... By 104708 - there is not just a choice of test - there huge selection of dough... 4 types - yeast, pasta (dumplings), biscuit, shortbread. I, my dear, will not exchange my murrka for nothing. But here are 2 forms in 938, oh, I'm really thinking about it. decide for yourself. I will say this, 104708 kneads a lot of dough. Do you need a lot? And it's good to bake a big loaf of bread in it, oh,: girl_in_dreams: well, 2 forms .... go chtol to call in tomorrow (why did I come here at night, one wonders) Just why in foxmart? As far as I remember, Delfa is an internal Foxtrot brand. Don't you confuse anything?

[IRR]

IRR Good morning! Only it does not indicate that there are 2 forms, they recently threw a Foxmart leaflet, then it says that there are 2 forms. Today I want to walk with my child to the store and see what is there and how there is. I'll unsubscribe for lunch.

[Luybasha]

Luybasha, on the site by reference - one bucket included. Can they stir up in the store ??? (but even for this price with one bucket is a good price, because the stove is worthy)

[IRR]

IRR, we now have Foxmart and there is a former Foxtrot, as far as I understand

[IRR]

IRR, we now have Foxmart and there is a former Foxtrot, as far as I understand

and we got different ones

[LiudmiLka]

Well girls, I want to disappoint you, as I did not want to. In short, as the consultant said, "An error occurred when printing a leaflet", so there is only one bucket!
Ordered 104708, will be on the weekend! So I'm waiting for my dear!
LiudmiLka And I think these are completely different firms, we have both in our city! Even their sites are different, maybe they have the same owner?

[Together with the Eldorado and Foxtrot chains, the FoxMart hypermarket chain is one of the three largest household appliances stores]

Foxmart and Foxtrot are one office. Foxmart is positioned as cheaper.

for the poor?

found only this Together with the Eldorado and Foxtrot chains, the FoxMart hypermarket chain is one of the three largest household appliances stores

Good day!
I love different kitchen helpers, in constant use of cartoon and AG. I was always sure that I didn't need a bread maker at all - we hardly eat bread. But, finding myself on this site on the issue related to the multicooker, I thought - I really don't like making dough on dumplings or pizza, which my husband loves very much. Maybe I, a lazy person, can get some kind of budget HP that would pull a rather cool dough in a batch. Well, so that some kind of muffin could be bungled. And there, who knows, maybe I will be worthy of something else. Can you please tell me experts, are there such HP options? And so that a full kettle understands how to manage this miracle.
Thank you

[TyominaAlyona]

TyominaAlyonahow talented you were on all topics! Buy on the DELFU stock - at Foxmart for 339 grams or any other with such a frost

, here's anotherthere can be many names (Rotex, Mirta, Elenberg) - the quality is good. If you want a lot of dough (more than kg), take a 2-mixer, but also more budgetary, Delphi are now gone large 104708, take Liberton 05 such



The price of the issue is approximately from 500 to 600 gr.

in such a long stove, you can not only knead, but also bake challah and rolls, not use the oven, which is especially important in summer.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH for your prompt reply !!! Now on the site I found Delfa DB-104708 for 580 UAH. It is better? In the online store, Orin 205 was advised by phone, but the advice of the sellers is difficult to believe. What do you advise?
And yet - I would use the option of a start-level, so that "a pig comes in, and sausages come out." I'm not a baker at all, but a full kettle

THANK YOU VERY MUCH for your prompt reply !!! Now on the site I found Delfa DB-104708 for 580 UAH. It is better? In the online store, Orin 205 was advised by phone, but the advice of the sellers is difficult to believe. What do you advise?

I don't have Orion, but I found a video right away
I liked that there are handles on the bucket. I advise you to go to the Orion topic and ask - how is it with the test? cool kneads? do not have to stir with your hands? Because in Delphi there are 4 types of dough (I already had it in my teeth to repeat it, to be honest) and there is no need to stir, it kneads so well. Orion theme tyts.

And yet - I would use the option of a start-level, so that "a pig comes in, and sausages come out." I'm not a baker at all, but a full kettle

but here everyone is like that at first ... well, or almost everything ...

[Rinka]

! Now on the site I found Delfa DB-104708 for 580 UAH. It is better?

oops: girl_red: forgot - THIS IS GREAT!

And yet - I would use the option of a start-level, so that "a pig comes in, and sausages come out." I'm not a baker at all, but a full kettle

Rinka, namesake, then she is right in the dumpling machine nada: girl_haha: straight from the pigs

[IRR]

IRR Thank you again for the answers! I'll meet with Delfa tomorrow, I hope she won't be afraid of me
And what about the instructions for the "gifted"? Can you figure it out?

Rinka, namesake, then she is right in the dumpling machine nada: girl_haha: straight from the pigs

LTD!!!! And sho, there are such? !!! WHERE ?!

I will meet with Delfo tomorrow

Good luck! about the instructions - I don't remember, but are you afraid of instructions, after mastering Perfezza

LTD!!!! And sho, there are such? !!! WHERE ?!

that bye ... we have all had this machine here.mulberry

Good luck! about the instructions - I don't remember, but are you afraid of instructions, after mastering Perfezza

Perfeza's instruction killed me! I didn’t even imagine that you can equip a device with SUCH squalor! Thanks to Polina, who saved me with her short and understandable manual from unsuccessful attempts to understand the Chinese. Yes, and I have been using cartoon Panas every day for 2 years, as if not a virgin soil in my head. And here - BAKERY !!! Well this is a whole mystery! I deal with yeast dough once a year - when I make cakes for Easter and I worry every time, like before an exam.

that bye ... we have all had this machine here.mulberry

Thank you! I've only been fooling those around me for a week here.
Ehhh, my beautiful stove will be delivered to me tomorrow night, after 17. They said delivery right up to 22. Strange, however! Who gives children toys for the night? Well, aunts, in the sense
I thought I would give MV Perfez, as planned, with a light heart and a bunch of useful recommendations received on this site, and I would have nothing else to do here. But it turns out that everything is just beginning!

Alain, this is a terrible place, disastrous. I've been sitting here for the third year already ... my husband waved his hand, my father just mutters "you have nothing to do with the Internet ..."

It all started just with a bread machine and its development, then came the pressure cookers, multicooker, rice cookers, yogurt makers, waffle makers, etc. So, I dreamed another dream ... my husband knows and does not resist.

By the way, I, too, before the bread maker with yeast dough, was not even on "you". And now the eyes are afraid, but the hands are doing.

[A]

... Here, I dreamed another dream ...

well said Acome on fire B or send me to B on the topic * JOKINGLY * or let's hug and hobble together to the devicegolics gallery.

.. the husband waved his hand, the father only mutters "you have nothing to surf the Internet ..."

Mine, too, gave up on me, as on a separate individual. It saves only that there is a lot of food and tasty, with a minimum expenditure of effort.

[IRR]

IRR, everything is simple and, one might say, modest. Kenwood KM 020

[IRR]

IRR, everything is simple and, one might say, modest. Kenwood KM 020

you are my modest one (I know the propositions in 17 stores,
price from $ 524 to $ 680) Well, good, infection!

[Kenwood theme]

IRR, let's at least Kenwood theme let's move on ... But for now I am silent about the dream come true (until the summer, I had to spend the stash on work needs to have something to earn)

[thank you very much]

And me again. Primarily - thank you very much!!! IRR, with your light hand, I am already lovingly stroking the silvery barrel of Delfochka and a little bit into baking.Today I made a festive rich bread and, yielding to the persistent requests of my husband, who brought home the ready-made mixture for wheat bread, demonstrated how the bread maker works. Butter bread is magnificent, king! True, it turned out to be a bit too much. And the second, from the package, is very ordinary, quite tasty, dense, with a crispy crust, but boring.
As I appeal to the chefs, send me to read and learn the recipe for your favorite bread.
How right was Sofim! I would like to try something else. And I don’t know where to attach the existing bread (I don’t eat, my daughter is very rare, and our most active bread eater is dad, only in the mood). True, butter flies away, wheat ... mmmm ... at this rate it will last for a long time. Anyway, I'm looking for recipes, we will treat our relatives with bread!
The husband is happy - tomorrow there will be dumplings, but I don’t grumble that I’m too lazy to mess with the dough.

I will insert my 5 kopecks into the questions of choosing HP.
She always approached the choice of household appliances seriously and consciously: polls of acquaintances, the Internet, consultations in stores, etc. ... A couple of years ago I came up with the idea of ​​home baking with the help of HP, ess-no! Having studied the sea of ​​information and reviews, I opted for Panasonic. The only "but" was the HIGH price, which I could not justify in front of my husband even with the opportunity to have homemade fresh bread. I almost buried my dream of HP, because I believed that either you need to buy the best available, or not buy anything at all ...
Without any hope for anything, I recently looked at the site for some non-bread recipe and decided to refresh my information on the topic of choosing HP ... And again the desire to have HP took my mind! Suddenly - oh, miracle - a few well-grounded and confident reviews of non-brand HP changed something in my unshakable desire to have Panasonic. For some reason I wanted to take a chance and try something non-branded, not promoted and not "the best" ... I decided and bought myself HP for ridiculous money, you know, I did not regret it for a minute! : D There is nothing that the branded and my stove could not do. The issue of service is solved by a simple exchange of a non-working device for a new one, although (t-t-t) so far everything is perfect.
My advice is not to bother with the names and loud functions of the promoted HP!

[TyominaAlyona]

! True, it turned out to be a bit too much.

TyominaAlyona,: flowers: congratulations! : drinks: bzdyn! Schaub worked for a long time. And bread, yes - a big loaf turns out. That's why I asked you - how much test do you need?
Regarding recipes, I love this in our HP Uncle Sam's lazy croissant. As an experiment, you can knead the dough on the program - it is the eighth and lasts 1.30, then get it to form a loaf, remove the stirrers from the bucket, put the workpiece, wait until it rises 2 times and turn on the baking program - 12.

here are new bread recipes for you on the site tyts

UZhanka, Name, sister, name! Where is the name of your assistant?

[IRR]

IRR , the name under my avatar is an analogue of your Delfa - Alaska 2600!
Bravo to non-branded bread makers !!!

Dear, benevolent bakers!
Please help me with a choice. Due to my extremely wild state (regarding bread makers), I was completely confused in three pines, that is, bread makers =)).
Here at 36 pages. good bread makers are indicated (well, I'm talking about the younger Delphi and her twins). Everything is clear there, the Elder Delphi, I understood that I was also good. But what about Orion? In particular, 27G and 204.
I honestly read the instructions. Everything seems to be so smooth and clear, but you read your forum (and not only yours) and everything gets confused again =))
Here are some questions:
- wheat / white bread is there in everyone, right? (27G just has Classic .. is this another name for the same white / wheat?)
- which of those Delphi and Orions is suitable for making dough on dumplings / dumplings / pizza
- and yet, I really want to bake baking. With the cupcakes, I realized that I need to mix everything with handles, knead and just bake in the ovens? And by the type of cakes or shortbread?
I read the instructions, but as a practitioner, reading the same instructions, you will still see more in it. If it's not difficult, tell me, help, I really want a bread maker. I understand that probably for this money the stoves can be smaller than some expensive ones, but at least just educate on the question .. a little ..

[NadinSA,]

NadinSA, Let's start in order.

1. any oven on the European and CIS market by default has the program "basic", "wheat", "basic", "classic", etc. This is all designed for simple bread made from wheat (or mainly wheat) flour.

2. dumplings dough can be hidden under the names "for dumplings" and "noodles". Yeast dough is used for pizza, any CP can knead it.

3. If you need to bake cakes, then there are several options:
* knead and bake on the main (wheat) program,
* there may be a sweet bread program,
* you can combine several modes, then you get such a "semi-manual" control (knead the dough, let it distance, use the oven to do boning, knead the dough at different stages of adding ingredients, and finally baking).
Shortbread dough, in my opinion, is still not very suitable for HP.