Maybe you shouldn't overpay for brands?

[Rina]

Rina thanks for the answer!

with wheat it became clear, from butter, I understood enough if there is a "Bread" mode in the oven.
I had no questions about the shortbread at all, just yesterday I stumbled across the description somewhere Delfa DB-104708 that with her help, including shortbread dough (so I wondered)

And, also, if in the oven, for example, the "dough" program and the "pasta dough" program .. mm .. then, if I understood correctly, simply "dough" is kneading bread dough and pizza dough, and "pasta" is dumplings / dumplings? (sorry for the stupid questions, I just want to understand what is written in the instructions ... preferably before buying
If it's not difficult for someone, I would still like to hear advice on stoves .. Orion OBM-204 vs Orion OBM-27G vs Delfa DBM-938 vs Delfa DB-104708

[Nadine]

And, also, if in the oven, for example, the "dough" program and the "pasta dough" program .. mm .. then, if I understood correctly, simply "dough" is kneading bread dough and pizza dough, and "pasta" is dumplings / dumplings? (sorry for the stupid questions, I just want to understand what is written in the instructions ... preferably before buying

everything is correct ...
dough - usually yeast for bread, pizza, baked goods.
pasta is dumplings, dumplings, noodle dough (i.e., unleavened, without baking powder).

Nadine, also pay attention to orion 24 - it has a dispenser and two buckets.

We have a small section on Orions, try chatting there.

And the instructions for many CPs need to be read, guided by the rule "do not believe your eyes" - they are often written and translated by people who do not even have a vague idea of ​​what kind of machine it is and how bread is baked in general.

yes, actually, that's why I'm asking such stupid questions)
because the instructions are somehow more confusing and even, let's say, it seems that they were written almost like a carbon copy .. too somehow unified

I also bought the cheapest bread maker in the store, called ROTEX, model RBX38-Y.
Oh, I didn't even expect that bread would turn out, and it's very good for the first time)))).
I baked according to the simplest recipe, I only expected that it would rise more, but maybe it's in flour ... I gave everyone a try, they praised it, and one boy at work even said it was not bread, but a cupcake))))) well, of course it doesn't taste compare with the purchased one. Well, I'll still be wise over the recipes and customize for myself.
I was afraid to take this Rotex, but I have a friend in my store, he said that they sold a bunch of them to NG and did not bring a single one back. And if something is served in the service center.
One granny brought it back, she says she doesn't bake, so they put it in the director's office and two hours later they showed granny bread, so the technique works, there are crooked handles ...
Here on the forum, I read the nuances and followed the dough-bun, and the already debugged recipe can be set on the timer. Can anyone help my review)))))
In general, hurray !!!! The bread maker is weight !!!

I don't know if it was in this thread, but I wonder:

Russian Brands, which everyone used to consider foreign

[IRENE]

IRENE, instructions for what? Here we have a topic about search for instructions and spare parts for HP

And no one has written about Supra .... Really, no one has? So I will have ...

And no one has written about Supra .... Really, no one has? So I will have ...

And why are you looking for reviews about Supra in this thread?
There are as many as THREE themes (one for each HP model). About "Supra BMS 355 Bread Maker" everything has been discussed, pictures of results, recipes are posted. The topic is called that.
There is not much to read about 240 and 150, but if you have questions, ask there.
All topics are in the "Other Bread Makers" section (at the time of this writing, they are on the first page). Welcome.

I was in the topic "Other HP", there really is almost nothing written about Supras, especially about the 240th. I understood this topic about "Non-brand Khpechki", so I was hoping to hear, maybe they will say what .......

I found a site where "werewolf firms" are described, these are those who say that they come from Europe and are a real Asian himself. The bad news is that many of these firms overcharge too much, although they are no different from the Chinese.

Hello, I choose a bakery, it seems that many are suitable for reviews. I went to the store today, we have mainly from the budget, only Libertons and Myrtha. Liked Liberton LBM05, 2 stirrers, bread loaf up to 1350g. I came home, I think I read the reviews. There are almost no reviews on our website, I don't trust others. If the bucket is so high, then if you make the bread in a smaller way, then the top will be light, right? We don't need such a big bun. I need HP to knead the yeast dough well on the DOUGH program, since I bake a lot in the oven for children of small baked goods. For this, a large bucket would be just right. Does anyone have such HP? Don't know what topic to ask?

[Annushka!]

Hello, I choose a bakery, it seems that many are suitable according to reviews. I went to the store today, we have mainly from the budget, only Libertons and Myrtha. Liked Liberton LBM05, 2 mixers, loaf of bread up to 1350g. I came home, I think I read the reviews. There are almost no reviews on our website, I don't trust others. If the bucket is so high, then if you make the bread in a smaller way, then the top will be light, right? We don't need such a big bun. I need HP to knead the yeast dough well on the DOUGH program, since I bake a lot in the oven for children of small baked goods. For this, a large bucket would be just right. Does anyone have such HP? Don't know what topic to ask?

Annushka!, you mean what liberton? If such

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then take it boldly. Very good stove. My relatives (I baked in it) knead the dough at the expense of 2 mixers - hurt yourself, as I seem to have written about her in this thread. I'll look now.

Thanks for answering. I read about your story with your mother-in-law, I just did not dare to ask you in PM. There are just a lot of not very good reviews about her.

Thanks for answering. I read about your story with your mother-in-law, I just did not dare to ask you in PM. There are just a lot of not very good reviews about her.

and I already found it right away, but where did you read the reviews?

my mother-in-law does not bake a lot in it, and does not knead the dough regularly, so I cannot say anything about the resource of this stove, by the way

and I also found it right away, but where did you read the reviews?

my mother-in-law does not bake a lot in it, and does not knead the dough regularly, so I cannot say anything about the resource of this stove, by the way

But have you ever made yeast dough? If the bread is not large, is the crust light? I read reviews in online stores, so I don't really trust them. For that kind of money, he will work out a year and well, the main thing is how he will work.
Also here the reviews made me think https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...on=com_smf&topic=143203.0

But have you ever made yeast dough? If the bread is not large, is the crust light? I read reviews in online stores, so I don't really trust them. For that kind of money, he will work out a year and well, the main thing is how he will work.
Also here the reviews made me think https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...on=com_smf&topic=143203.0

Oh, just not such reviews ... if you rely on reviews with such topics, then Panasonic bakes like that. but this is not true. In your topic on libers, which you linked to, there she got bread further when she mastered the basics.

I can't say anything about the crust at the minimum size of the loaf. I can only try for you on the trail. once a recipe from the forum to bake. Theoretically, yes, this is possible (light crust in a large stove) - the problem is that the workpiece is very low, the teng does not reach well.

Can I torture you some more? I just finally found a real user.Did you make yeast dough? Damn, I already want to buy HP faster, I have no strength, but I don't want to regret it later. My son is very fond of small baked goods, and there is little time, lyalya still has a breast. The rest of the ovens are only on order, but Liberton is available, and they are making a discount, I probably hesitated them, I thought I would buy a multicooker and leave behind, but no.

the dough was made and shuddered. and everything !!! dough. take it. She, like a kneader, is irreplaceable. I also have 2 mixers, and I can't imagine how it would be without it. Already bought a spare bucket (just in case). I already wrote - it is so convenient to bake rolls in such HPs, knead the dough on the prog, put it out, molded it and back into the bucket for proofing. After half an hour, turn on baking - gorgeous. Yesterday I baked for a visit like such, only shifted cheese - sandwiches with red caviar remained, bread gobbled up

How much does it cost at a discount?

Bli-in! SchA, I’ll probably go to borrow the missing amount and go buy it!

wait a minute!!! de you buy? give me a link, we can, we will look cheaper (we are nearby)

no, they give me a cheap price, for 480 UAH. This is not on the Internet, the store is 200m from my house.

no, they give me a cheap price, for 480 UAH. This is not on the Internet, the store is 200m from my house.

I have it all !!! I went to test while the little one sleeps! As for the price, everything turned out so interesting there, then I will tell you in a personal time.
Thank you!

As for the price, everything turned out so interesting there,

gave it away for free? * JOKINGLY * as a regular customer ...

[annnushka27]

annnushka27
congratulations, from the bottom of my heart
Delicious breads and ideas for the delight of yourself and your family
Itself a little more than a month became a baker (after two years of our bread-making process) and if it were not for the action in Foxtrot on Orion 27G for 333 UAH, I would have continued withouthorsehdebopechkinskaya. But the process is interesting, at first a complete mess in my head, from all sorts of different koloboks, whole grains, gluten and other delights of life, but over time it begins to clear up and with very good consequences

[probably, I hesitated them, they thought I would buy a multicooker and leave behind, but no.]

gave it away for free? * JOKINGLY * as a regular customer ...

The rest of the furnaces are only on order, but Liberton is in stock, and they make a discount, probably, I hesitated them, they thought I would buy a multicooker and leave behind, but no.

They got off easy yet

[annnushka27]

annnushka27
congratulations, from the bottom of my heart
Delicious breads and ideas for the delight of yourself and your family
Itself a little more than a month became a baker (after two years of our bread-making process) and if it were not for the action in Foxtrot on Orion 27G for 333 UAH, I would have continued withouthorsehdebopechkinskaya. But the process is interesting, at first a complete mess in the head, from all sorts of different koloboks, whole grains, gluten and other delights of life, but over time it begins to clear up and with very good consequences

Anya! Congratulations !!! A bread maker is weightier than a TV

Thank you! I think I'll figure it out quickly, because I constantly bake bread in the oven.

I want to report! Baked white wheat on "French", and wheat with bran on the Main, everything is fine. Today I made a dough for pizza, for 780g of flour, generally class. In the morning I took my son to school and while the youngest woke up, my HP kneads the dough, cooks the cartoon porridge, and the machine erases, not life, but a dream !!!

Thank you! Although, while I figured it out, my family was "afraid" to go into the kitchen. Nerves already need to be treated. I turned it on incorrectly, or rather launched the program. Now, like, figured it out.

People, good day to all!
I read a long time ago and my head is already round

actually, what I want to ask .. I came across a link somewhere on the forum, following which I found a bunch of pictures of stoves - twins, but with different names and now I can't find it, but it's very curious))

poke pzhl in the right place (if you understand what I mean)

People, good day to all!
I read a long time ago and my head is already round

actually, what I want to ask .. I came across somewhere in the open spaces of the forum on a link, following which I found a bunch of photos of stoves - twins, but with different names and now I can't find it, but it's very curious))

poke pzhl in the right place (if you understand what I mean)

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=26545.0 It?

dada, big merci!

I will not be original, I also choose a stove and also at a crossroads like many
my budget is not great, thousand to 5.

dada, big merci!

I will not be original, I also choose a stove and also at a crossroads like many
my budget is not great, thousand to 5.

You are welcome! I'm mine, for 2 thousand. on Russian if, very, very happy, I do not need dear. You want white, you want rye.

You are welcome! I'm mine, for 2 thousand. on Russian if, very, very happy, I do not need dear. You want white, you want rye.

my long-suffering choice is also made
Today I will go to Terrington House (she is the many-sided Alaska)
hopefully will be in stock in the store))

I studied for a long time, read and re-read again and came to the conclusion that I would actually buy not letters, but a stove))) and I will find the saved money on what to spend

I'm upset
I went to the subway today, but there are no alias
or rather, there is no VM 2600 which I really wanted.

looking for an alternative. what can you advise? maybe Saturn ST-EC1775? (here on the forum there is practically no information about her)
THX!

Interesting topic. It is psychologically understandable that brands are overpaid for the hope of quality and durability. After reading the reviews, I realized that with HP this hope is practically not justified, which was reflected in the selection process in the following sequence:
- Panasonic SD-2501WTS: wear resistance is not higher than others, and dimensions did not suit;
- Dex DBM-507: a good 2-year warranty and a lot can be realized, but at the moment I haven't found it (and my wife, alas, didn't like the color);
- Gorenje BM900W, Orion OBM-27G, Delfa DBM 938 - liked it, everything suits
and chose:
- Liberton LBM 05-2
Tomorrow I'll go to the store for ingredients and write a report in the Liberton topic

Interesting topic. It is psychologically understandable that brands are overpaid for the hope of quality and durability. After reading the reviews, I realized that with HP this hope is practically not justified, which was reflected in the selection process in the following sequence:
- Panasonic SD-2501WTS: wear resistance is not higher than others, and dimensions did not suit;
- Dex DBM-507: a good 2-year warranty and a lot can be realized, but at the moment I haven't found it (and my wife, alas, didn't like the color);
- Gorenje BM900W, Orion OBM-27G, Delfa DBM 938 - liked it, everything suits
and chose:
- Liberton LBM 05 -2
Tomorrow I'll go to the store for ingredients and write a report in the Liberton topic

Great choice! I have this HP (only LBM 05) since April, in use every day. Bread was baked very different, including rye. If you have any questions, I will answer.

Great choice! I have this HP since April, in use every day. Bread was baked very different, including rye. If you have any questions, I will answer.

Hurrah
I am still a complete layman in this matter. This is what interests most of all rye bread !!! Please gimme gimme his recipe for Liberton
And I have doubts about the attached recipes - salt, sugar, yeast are indicated in teaspoons, which = 5 ml, but we need to weigh it in grams. Or is it a measuring spoon from the kit? And can you believe her? How then can we adapt local recipes?
In general, I'm looking forward to in "our topic", the password: "Annushka has already bought sunflower oil ..." (C)

In general, I'm looking forward to in "our topic", the password: "Annushka has already bought sunflower oil ..." (C)

It's good that I haven't spilled it yet

I don't know, maybe Scarlett has already become a brand. But I have not seen such excellent programs anywhere else, namely on the Scarlett SC-400. Only she has a weight of up to 750 g. And the one that has more programs is usual like everyone else. I had the above mentioned Scarlett, baked and rejoiced, it was not enough for us, I bought a Supra BMC 240 for 1.5 kg. Good, just great. But the programs are different (like the branded ones) and bread always turned out - but not the same as the first one. I sold and bought Mystery1202, nothing in baking except weight did not differ from Supra and the program in time exactly. I have no complaints about it - well, the same thing, only less roll. And then I missed my first Scarlet. And by chance I came across it in the Ribbon for as much as 1,350 rubles. Well, I could not resist and bought it again !!! Now I have two stoves. My Scarlettka bakes delicious bread and everything always works out and rises.I don’t understand WHAT to pay more for ??? How many negative reviews have I read about expensive stoves (there are also many good ones, but why are there many negative reviews for that kind of money?) - and for such a price they should be perfect !!! I don't care what is written on the Scarlet stove, she or Fedot or Burenka - the main thing is that she has such well-oiled programs and bread as before - real, tasty, high without any panifarins and fast yeast (which, by the way, with improvers too) on pressed yeast. Why should I put food additives in my bread (here in Bork they write panifarin or some other additive in the recipe) - you can buy it in the store and it will be better, without fuss and waste of email. energy. And I bought an oven for homemade natural bread!
Buy non-branded! Believe me, the price does not guarantee quality at all! The Chinese are also not fools (they produce for the whole world!) They will not get along on behalf of their country. They love and respect their country!

I also thought earlier that in some moments it is not worth overpaying for the brand.
I used the budget Orion bread maker, it baked well, however, with kneading a tighter dough, problems immediately arose, and there were also some problems. Before the warranty expired, my bread maker died, the money was returned to me under the guarantee, I decided to buy Panasonic - I never cease to admire. This bread maker in different nuances is much higher class, it's like changing from a Zaporozhets to a Mercedes. They gave me a Clathronic blender. Yes, it works, but there are so many flaws in it - you can't count. I only get angry when using it. And the Saturn technique was - I will never buy cheap brands. And all this soothing talk about cheap equipment is so, blah blah, amuse themselves.
IMHO !!!

I will never buy cheap brands. And all this soothing talk about cheap equipment is so, blah blah, amuse themselves.
IMHO !!!

you know, it probably still depends on luck! I am always afraid to buy unfamiliar or cheap brands, I know for sure, I'm out of luck! and it's easier for me to hammer in a lot of money and buy a well-known brand! true, and there is a drawback! she, this technique, unkillable! straight dream of the occupier! my first Panasonic TV, bought in 1997. Damn, it works like a clock! the picture is clear, the colors are bright! I don’t know where to attach these 25 kg of happiness! and the same song about kitchen appliances, I already want something new, more advanced, but "I haven't worn out my skates yet" well, even though my mother helps out, she is not interested in new items, she is wearing mine

I don't know, maybe Scarlett has already become a brand. But I have not seen such excellent programs anywhere else, namely on the Scarlett SC-400. Only she has a weight of up to 750 g. And the one that has more programs is usual like everyone else. I had the above Scarlett, baked and rejoiced, with

I also have Scarlet 400, and I really like her, there are no others and I don't want to. The Scarlet line has now begun to produce good devices, so maybe it will also soon become a Panasonic brand, because it also started with something ...

And I decided for myself that it would be better for me to have inexpensive kitchen assistants, but all the necessary and desirable ones than I’ll collect for a year on one single branded device, I’d better buy a few cheap ones for this amount.
I have wanted a slow cooker for a long time, but it's expensive, but here the girls told about the action - I bought it, I'm happy - not the right word! An expensive Blendor can’t afford - I bought a cheap one, and it works like a clock, a combine - everyone praises, again, expensive, I bought a regular Binaton 705 - plows, thank God, it helps me every day. I wanted a portable oven - everyone was delighted with Delongy, looked at the price - no. expensive, bought Vimar - and defrost, and convention, and grill, and how bakes! Already neighbors "swear", they say, stop baking, the smell on the entire staircase, you can choke on saliva! Thanks to you I bought a pancake maker - cheap, but how it works! I have a two-in-one yoghurt-ice cream maker, so it's not idle.
Let it be inexpensive, but all the devices are there.
So, my conclusion: you can have not expensive devices, if only cooking is a pleasure and they are not idle. And young people can learn how to cook on such, and if, well, you really want a super-duper and he will definitely not gather dust on the shelf, you can give what you want for a birthday or for some kind of holiday.

IMHO, it's trivial in cost. Well, it's not worth generalizing either. Will explain.
A cartoon, a bread maker - it seems that they are not very complicated devices ... but there are nuances: the quality of the case, the quality of the saucepan / bucket, the functionality ... so here you should choose for the money. If you can afford it, take something that's branded, if you can't, rely on luck with no-name. You can get on a bad device in both cases, only the percentage of luck with the brand is several times higher.
Mixer, blender and meat grinder can be included in this category.
But more primitive equipment, like an ice maker, yogurt maker, pancake maker, etc., there is simply no point in overpaying for a brand - there is nothing special to break down, so the nouname does an excellent job.

... You can get on a bad device in both cases, only the percentage of luck with the brand is several times higher.

It is difficult to disagree with you, but personal experience suggests that following a successful model, marketers often impose "improved" novelties into production, which are more expensive, but lose the quality and functions of the prototype. Therefore, a brand is a loose concept.
On the other hand, taking cheap stuff is down the drain: no functionality, no reliability.
It is probably more correct to adhere to the golden mean, that is, for the money + functionality + reviews (the Internet provides) + the availability of purchase and warranty service in the place of residence.

you know, it probably still depends on luck! I am always afraid to buy unfamiliar or cheap brands, I know for sure, I'm out of luck! and it's easier for me to hammer in a lot of money and buy a famous brand! true, and there is a drawback! she, this technique, unkillable! straight dream of the occupier! my first Panasonic TV, bought in 1997. Damn, it works like a clock! the picture is clear, the colors are bright! I don’t know where to attach these 25 kg of happiness! and the same song about household kitchen appliances, I already want something new, more advanced, but "I haven't worn out my skates yet" well, even though my mother helps out, she is not interested in new items, she is wearing mine

Well, the LG TV set still lives with me, and at least that, they bought it in 1997. Traveled fifty times to apartments (5 floors without elevators). The Samsung vacuum cleaner and the Washing machine and LG refrigerator also all walked around the apartments with me. But the quality bought then is higher than those that are now. But the expensive LG microwave died after 5 years of work and rarely used it.
I don't know, I also come across a normal Chinese technique. Lucky, apparently, however.

Well, the LG TV set still lives with me, and at least that, they bought it in 1997. Traveled fifty times to apartments (5 floors without elevators). The Samsung vacuum cleaner and the Washing machine and LG Refrigerator also all walked around the apartments with me. But the quality bought then is higher than those that are now.

Well, LG and Samsung are also well-known brands, and the aces in washers and vacuum cleaners

In Poltava, Samsung washing machines are filled up with a service center, and LG is also present. But I myself have 3 devices from LG - micra, HP and a washing machine. I'm glad.
But in general, also for the golden mean - and I don't want to overpay for the brand, but I don't want to buy a device assembled on my knee.
But I recently bought a pressure cooker Saturn, although before I did not perceive Saturn at all. Life will show, but so far I am very pleased with the purchase. The same is with the cartoon and the Dex yogurt maker - I had never heard such a brand before buying them. But how I like them

I wanted to ask about the Saturn ST-EC0127 bread maker. Bribes the price, two years of warranty, the ability to choose the weight - 500, 750 and 1000. But the instructions can not be downloaded anywhere and, accordingly, I do not know the set of programs. Dough and sweet pastries are needed, rye is desirable. Who can say anything about this brand?

I wanted to ask about the Saturn ST-EC0127 bread maker. ..... Who can say anything about this brand?

Maybe they will tell you here
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=110327.0
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=150611.0