Dishwasher selection (2)

In a dishwasher, the main thing is not the program, but the distance, that is, the height of the upper drawer and the lower one. In connection with the move, I have already changed 3 pieces, it is very convenient when, when laying a high saucepan, your water diffuser does not hit the bottom of the saucepan, and it is very convenient when there is a third shelf-lattice, (shelf above the compartment for cups) it is convenient to throw spoons-forks there and thereby free up space for some kind of plate on the bottom shelf. You will still be washing on one program, it is very convenient, I always wash at 65, then everything shines and shines. I hope I helped a little those who are now choosing an assistant.

it is very convenient when, when laying a tall saucepan, your water diffuser does not hit the bottom of the saucepan, and it is very convenient when there is a third shelf - a grid

And there are no contradictions?) The more shelves, the lower the height of each of them.
Then you should advise as many adjustable positions of the basket in height, or something .. But in general, everything depends on the types of dishes.

[Bijou]

Bijou, there are no contradictions, since the glasses and mugs are, in principle, the same in height and the presence of an additional shelf does not particularly affect, but there is a lot of benefits from it. I have large saucepans, so this advice. I got my first dishwasher 10 years ago, I just thought my observations would be useful to someone.

[with my]

Biju, there are no contradictions, since glasses and mugs are, in principle, the same in height and the presence of an additional shelf does not particularly affect, but there is a lot of benefits from it.

I'm at the top of my plate. And they pass quite normally in height when the basket is lowered. And if I put the pans down, a lid from a frying pan or a large bucket pan, then the plates generally rest against the ceiling, when the basket moves, even the edges break off.)) So with my utensils, the third shelf is not an option. (

[Vintage]

Vintage, measure the baking sheet in the oven and the height of the bottom space in the basket,
for example, I have both a baking sheet and plates in the lower basket, the baking sheet is tilted
but a friend does not enter, and she can wash either plates or a baking sheet, since she puts it flat, and while standing, he touches the turntable
dishwashers 45cm in both
in my 3 programs, 65-50-45
I wash everything by 50 eco, everything is washed
I rarely use 65, and I have never used 45 yet

as he puts it flat

I always put the baking sheet flat on top of the plates... Despite the 60 cm and a nozzle for washing trays.) I also place hoods and other flat things.

[Bijou]

Bijou, well, and she complains that she has nothing but him, sinning on the clumsy dimensions of the baking sheet))))
well, I don’t know, I have a baking sheet from a standard oven, rather big and everything is included
I generally shove everything into it, even kitchen rags
we are doing repairs in the bathroom, we removed the rack with shelves, the old one, I wanted to throw it away, then I put the shelves in the pmm, so now they are new and now it's a pancake and it's a pity to throw it away and I don’t know what to do with them

now damn it and throw it away, and I don’t know what to do with them

The dishwasher stands in the way of progress and renewal.

Does it really wash the rags ?? I read that people put filters from a vacuum cleaner there, but so that rags? .. Do they not drag a lot of soapy water in the last rinse with them?

[Bijou]

Bijou, washes perfectly, they don't drag anything, I spread them on the upper basket, folding them in two, though the rags are small, bamboo and microfiber, maximum 30 x 30

I also read that people in PMM wash potatoes, well, if you need a lot at once

Heh girls. You should not wash vegetables in the ground in a typewriter.As soon as I bought mine, of course, I tried it on potatoes. The fact is that the fine filter has a bunch of all sorts of ... um ... (I can't find the word) things that just got covered with dirt and I shoved it with a brush for a long time to make it perfectly clean again.
After that experience, I got into the habit of cleaning the filter almost after every wash. This is a plus, there is no smell at all from the machine. But I still have it ajar between the sinks. But when there are buckets of tomatoes or ranetki, then yes, here I put them in one layer on the wire rack from the oven so that they don't fall through, and I turn on the rinse, without any means. So they wash.
Not so long ago, someone wrote, they say, do not look at the filter after eating, fu-fu-fu. On my filter, the maximum is a dill twig. Perhaps, if I hadn't had experience with potatoes, I would have hoped only for funds. But maybe this is just my quirk. After all, I also untwisted my knee under the sink in order to remove everything that accumulates there.

[Alexandra]

Alexandra, thanks for describing the experience

you must also look into the filter)))

Friends, I am incredibly happy, tomorrow they will bring me my car, and all thanks to the forum !! Thanks to everyone who shared their opinions and reviews, I didn’t know before that I needed it Bosch ActiveWater SMS40D02, of course there are animals and more abruptly, but this looked to me Question, what if there are residents of Sochi, what kind of water do we have? on the administration website they write one thing, but in real life everything can be different ... I have scale on my teapot, my mom! we clean every week ...

I have scale on my kettle, my mom! we clean every week ...

So the water is definitely hard, or the hardness value is above average ...

friends, please help, such a mess in my head, too much information has been re-read these days. I washed the dishes for the first time, everything was washed, but the plastic is straight wet, is it somehow treated? I sort of read what can be fixed, but I don't remember where .. the ceramics are dry. Somat, salt and rinse agent finish.

[Evgeniya]

Evgeniya, you can increase the amount of rinse aid, but this will not completely solve the problem. Try to put the plastic containers not strictly upside down, but at an angle, they will be practically dry.

[Manka]

Manka, I will try !! Thank you! The machine is klaaas! Everyone who writes here, a huge merci, in life would not figure out what's what.

[Jenealis]

Jenealis, Congratulations.
Plastic is always slightly damp if drying is condensation rather than hot air blowing. On long programs it was still all right, but on short programs it was completely sad.)) When I washed the plastic containers in the dishwasher, I simply transferred them in the morning to the dish dryer.

[Lena]

Lena, Thank you! her, I'm straight wet. The water we have here is of course abnormal: mad: ideal for drinking, but for cars (n) I added one for salt and rinse aid, it got even worse. Now I have reduced the salt, it turns out factory salt and plus one rinse aid to the factory value. Oh, I don't know ... maybe the somat is fake in the magnet? my ceramics from applesauce did not wash it off at 65 degrees ...

ideal for drinking

I'm even not so sure about that.))

Now I have reduced the salt, it turns out factory salt

Is it 4, or what? It's just not a fact that the nearest car washes will go with changes - everything changes there with difficulty. I can lie, but at this level of setting, the machine turns on regeneration every 4 days. That is, three of them will happen as if you hadn't changed anything.)) Or maybe you have a completely different car, then I don't know from the word at all.))

Personally, I don't like a lot of rinse aid, it makes the dishes gooey and when you collect water, it foams under the tap, it's unpleasant for me. ((

When something obvious is poorly washed, then first of all you need to see how well this grimy piece of vessel stood - the most neglected cases should be put in the middle, especially if the car is 45 cm - the corners are not washed so hot. Well, the dishes may just be blocked from below by something else, then it is difficult for the car to reach with water.

[Lena]

Lena, well, I judge about water from my business trips - here we drink water like that, we only defend it, it never, even in the doge season, smells of nothing! but I went to Moscow and the Volga region on business trips, poured water from the tap at the hotel, I almost vomited, what a stench I was washing in my soul, and the feeling as if I had not washed at all ... brrrr ... but this is not about that at all. I will not offtopic. I have a bosh 60cm, salt from the plant 4, polaskun by 5. All the same, I don’t understand what the ratio is normal for our regions? I have a maximum program of 65C, what value do you have for salt and rinse aid? I will put it in the same way, and after three washes I will report. And the evil bowl was on the upper level, and a baking sheet lay below ...

I looked. Salt for 5. I don't have a rinse aid at all, because I haven't washed it with powder for a long time. When I was, I set it to 1, but I have a mechanical regulator - just a rotary lever. The machine is old.))

[Jenealis]

Jenealis, but in general, plastic in Bosch always dries poorly. And if the car does not have a heat exchanger, then even worse. This is natural - plastic has a very low heat capacity, so it cools down very quickly after washing. The water does not have time to evaporate in this short time.

I turn on the sink at midnight, and I take out the dishes almost by tomorrow's lunchtime, so the plastic somehow dries out. And whoever takes it out right after the end of the wash can not only see the plastic wet, but also thin stainless steel pots, for example.) Or just deep ...

Over time, you begin to relate to this easier, because you begin to understand the essence of things. Well, you get used to it, you adapt, of course.))

[Lena]

Lena, everything is exactly like that, thank you tremendous))) I did not expect miracles from her, I understand that this is not an industrial apparatus. But still life makes it easier. Then I'll put in more salt.
Did anyone buy okeevskie tablets?

[Jenealis]

JenealisFor your water, tablets are generally contraindicated, only in sufficiently soft water.

[Alexander]

Alexander, what can happen? And if salt at 5 is still impossible?

[Jenealis]

Jenealis, Nothing will happen, but washing at the average parameters of the tablet will be averaged. Know the hardness of the water, put salt and rinse aid on it, pick up the powder, do not save on detergents, it will come out sideways.

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, to wash with tablets does it mean "to save on detergents"?)))

My water is the same as Evgenia's, bought about 8 years ago Somat soda effect I liked only with my flask, because the soap was disgusting. Maybe, of course, he only got better over the years, but I had enough experience. I liked Domax, but it was disproportionately expensive for me. Powder from Lenta does not wash at all, the tablets of the same brand are washed flawlessly.
AND? I have to throw away everything that works great for me, since you don't like it?))

"save on detergents"?)))

Many do not add powder, do not use pre-wash. Instead of special powder, various dubious substitutes are used.

Oh, well, yes ...
I just remembered that it would be necessary to drive away the dishes with lemon again, I haven't done it for a long time. And it's somehow too expensive to repair today. ((

[Lena]

Lena, with a lemon is it like?

Since our water is very hard, and I wash it with tablets (that is, I set the "hardness" a little less than required), in order to prevent the accumulation of scale on the heater, I periodically run a sink with citric acid, similar to a washing machine. At first, I watched the beginning of the main wash, opened and poured a bag of lemons there, now I don’t bother - I throw it with a spoon on the door for the pre-wash and fill the compartment for the detergent to the eyeballs.

Girls! Who has PMM Beko? What can you say about them?
I had Siemens, old model, then Bosch, now we are moving and apartment buyers are asking to leave it.
Boshik is not bad, but even though he is not a year old, he gives out small surprises. / I heard that PMM does not need to choose too sophisticated and expensive, like simple budget models are also not bad, we now have Beko on good shares.
I ask for advice!

[Mirabel]

Mirabel, Don't take Beko!

[Alexander]

Alexander, Yes??? Thank you! This means that we do not consider these Beko together with their shares.

[Mirabel]

Mirabel, Don't take Beko!

Why? I have Beko for 4 years soon, I am not overjoyed at the price and quality, with Hans's friend she suffers with her, then she does not wash, then does not drain the water and the minimum washing cycle is 2 hours ((

Who has PMM Beko?

I have PMM Beko for a year now. 60 cm. Washes well. Dries everything except plastic. Convenient configuration of shelves - the guides are folded - it is easy to free up space for large-sized dishes, additional side shelves are very useful. I most often use the 60-degree hour program - it washes everything perfectly. The car is very roomy. If it is not full at the end of the day, I start a 15-minute rinse and leave it quietly until tomorrow. There is no smell. When the dishes are fairly clean, I start the quick 30-minute program. Long high-temperature ones were used more at the beginning - until the pots were washed. But now I run it periodically. Sometimes a half load is used - there are situations when you urgently need to start a half-empty machine. In general, the idea that there are enough 2x programs is not for me for sure. When I was choosing, with a suitable set of programs, branded cars cost well over 1000 USD. e. I stopped at my own and do not regret it. I use Finish powder (I regulate the consumption according to the degree of soiling - the amount of dishes), the rinse aid which was in the store at the time of purchase (the bottle has not ended yet). For the 30 minute program, I keep the gel. And I start cleaning with Finish two-phase about once every 2 months. There is no beam, the machine is freestanding - the display clearly shows how much is left until the end of the program.
I bought it, of course, not according to the stock - I chose by functions and price.

[Quiz]

Quiz, Here you are ... how many people, so many opinions.
And we have already turned our gaze towards Siemens ... we are moving, the costs are sea, so I would like to choose a reliable and, if possible, not very expensive PMM, because I can not imagine my life without this assistant.
What's your model?

[Tamara]

TamaraHere is another vote in favor of Beko.
What is your model?

DFN6833B

[Tamara]

TamaraThank you! I went to study and thank you for not passing by and writing your review.

[Vika]

Vika, I and my friends have 4 Beko cars, different models, about 4 years old each. We are happy, have not heard negative opinions from friends. Choosing, I read KP, then Beko was recommended, stopped at a budget one with a good set of 45 cm programs, and Beko advised her friends. Mine is built-in, they are free-standing, narrow and 60 cm.

[marina-mm]

marina-mm, Marinochka! Thanks for your feedback! went to look at Beko again

[Vika]

Vika, on pages 23 and 30 and further they spoke well of Beko, did not understand why Alexander told them no

[Vika]

Vika, I and my friends have 4 Beko cars, different models, about 4 years old each. We are happy, have not heard negative opinions from friends. Choosing, I read KP, then Beko was recommended, stopped at a budget one with a good set of 45 cm programs, and Beko advised her friends. Mine is built-in, they are free-standing, narrow and 60 cm.

Yes, I also have a narrow freestanding one, I can't imagine how I lived without it)) Bekosha's clever !!!

[Vika]

Vika, on pages 23 and 30 and further they spoke well of Beko, did not understand why Alexander told them no

I don't know, but my friends have PM brands, but the quality of washing is inferior to Bekoshe, and even in the price category ((((Moreover, Beko has a 2-year warranty.

[Quiz]

QuizProbably, it's still a matter of chance.
I now have very good Bosch reviews, so glitches happen from time to time.
Miele's acquaintances, well, have such a kind of company, but worked quite a bit after the guarantee, other Zanussis at half the price from my Bosch, they will not get enough of it.

[Quiz]

QuizProbably, it's still a matter of chance.
I now have very good Bosch reviews, so cranks happen from time to time.

There has been a lot of negativity about Bosch lately, the overpayment is purely for the brand, but to the point ((

[Mirabel]

Mirabel, marina-mm, The forum has experience of contacting their service, and ordeals in the courts, do you need it? As long as the Turkish Beko is working, it’s good, how the smut breaks down. Here are the ordeals * Anyuta * https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@Itemid=126&option=com_smf&topic=31278.180 and further ...

[Alexander]

Alexander, Well, we have a 2-year warranty, and if it breaks down, then the store repairs or changes to a new one. As if I don't have to deal with Beko's service, well, after 2 years ... it will be as it will be.

[Mirabel]

MirabelOh, I forgot that you are in Europe, where do we go, we are more and more with problems in our Asian