Dishwasher selection (2)

[Galina]

Galina, I threw you a selection there in a personal - look. to leave the boxes at the bottom, it's just a baby for 6 sets to take .. I wouldn't have enough, but there are only three of us

I hate to wash the dishes, but I love to cook. Highly.
My husband and I are alone, and my husband is sitting in the country, so I'm more and more alone.
But all the same, I don’t want a very small one, at least 9 sets, my son comes on short visits to the delight of mom and dad and the dishes, naturally, increase.

[Galina]

Galina, then look at the selection that I threw off to you, personally, I would take AEG right away, but it's all the same for you to choose

Thank you very much, Tina, I will definitely look.
Once I have made up my mind, I have to buy something. But these pangs of choice! .......

I sit at the computer for the third day, many questions arose. Help tips and pliz
Girls, owners of PMM, what functions are most needed. I would like to be more sophisticated, but doubts prevail whether I need all this. I decided to take from 0.5 load, with a beam, with an intensive wash mode, a timer, a quick wash mode. Do I need to overpay for all this? After all, the more bells and whistles, the more expensive, naturally.
Or maybe they are not needed at all, these functions.

[Galina]

I decided to take from 0.5 load, with a beam, with an intensive wash mode, a timer, a quick wash mode.

Galina, the beam is not really needed, the PM signals the end of the program, the timer - do you really need to turn on the delay of the program? I also wanted with a timer, but it so happened that there was an error in the description on the site and as a result there is neither a ray nor a timer in the typewriter - I do not suffer at all about this, we load the dishes during the day, I turn them on at night or in the morning, no problems. Regarding the washing modes: I rarely use 1/2, the most frequent use is daily washing and quick washing, both at 65C, intensive at 75C very rarely, but I use it, rinsing is also quite often necessary. Specialist. I do not have programs for glass, I wash everything as usual.

[Galina]

Galina, I am now also quite actively engaged in the choice of PMM.
When summing up all the opinions and reviews, I decided for myself that I needed a range of 30-75 * C, as well as the upper (third) basket. Everything else is not important.
I am looking for a narrow installation, I found suitable Bosch-Siemens models, and I will take it.

found suitable Bosch Siemens models

Bosch and Siemens are different firms. Or do you mean either-or.
I opted for Bosch after all. Only now I can not decide what I need, and without which it will do.
I also read about the third basket that I really need it.
But I don't have that many dishes. All day at work. The husband and son are also often absent. But when the husband and son are at home and the men have to cook and feed them .......... I hate doing the dishes !!!!!
That is why I think that 0.5 download is what I need. When alone, there are not many dishes.
I will connect to one outlet with a stove. Simultaneously with the oven and cooking, the cable may not withstand. Therefore, it is better to turn on at night when the stove is no longer working.

Bosch and Siemens are different firms. Or do you mean either-or.

One hell - BSH, -they are clones of almost all models, except for a couple.
And the half, as I understood, almost nobody uses.

Have you decided for yourself which functions are necessary and which are unnecessary? Share your thoughts, please.

Bosch and Siemens are different firms.

Actually, for a long time already one firm 🔗

[k @ wka]

k @ wka, I have a Lux, built-in 60 cm. Personally, it is convenient for me that there is a beam on the floor, although I often turn it on at night. I don't have a half load, a family of 3 adults, there is always something to wash.

And I will bring my own 5 kopecks)) I bought Simmens 45 cm - I bought 4 years ago, I cook a lot, the people at home if I still count all the tailed ones - 5 showers)) I always washed the dishes with my hands, not really straining - only when it was not about greasy pans ... My friend for 15 years has already changed the second, and often asked me the question - how do you live without a dishwasher at all? But, again, her absence did not bother me in any way, and I had nowhere to put it especially - no repairs were planned at all, there was no free space. "Durynda, throw out some better drawer and put yourself a dishwasher" - all this my friend instructed me. And then a miracle happened, an unexpected prize, and I decided - for 60cm there was no room at all, and under 45cm a box was thrown out safely, I had to sort out some of the dishes - give it away, throw it away, put it away somewhere .. TOTAL is THING !!! As in that ad, "well, you're a woman, not a dishwasher." Functionality - the beam is very convenient! She turned off the sound squeak right away - especially not into the buzz when it is heard in the middle of the night, but if the workaholic is working in the air - when the drying is in progress, she is silent, and while the beam is on, it is clear that the cycle has not ended yet. I bought it with a third shelf - which is for coffee cups and cutlery. Super! There is something to compare with - I used it with relatives with a standard basket for cutlery - no, the third shelf is definitely more convenient, you can put everything neatly pretty in it - the soul is already happy to get it clean, although the basket is not superfluous - sometimes it is needed, but only as an addition ... In mine, there are a lot of all sorts of additional shelves, some kind of coasters so that the handles of the pans, a nozzle for baking trays rest on them (I used it a couple of times, but you can do without it if you have baking paper and one-off tins for especially fatty dishes). The relatives also have Simak - but an older one, only two side plastic shelves - and the space is immediately noticeably less. In size - if the space allows - definitely take 60 cm, a large saucepan and a frying pan - at 45 the game of Tetris already starts, but if there is not enough space, then 45 cm is better than without such an assistant at all))

[Caramelle]

Caramelle,
Thank you so much.
I also have to sacrifice one locker. And partially redraw the corner.
But I just can't choose. The difference in the price of the Wishlist and the minimum is significant. After all, also remodel cabinets. And it's not free either. So I puzzle over what is necessary and what is just bliss

[k @ wka]

The functionality is more or less the same for everyone, if I had a question of choice now - I would choose more in terms of internal equipment - in order to stuff everything that is not crammed there))) half load is not necessary, sometimes after breakfast, when lazy to wash with hands three or four set plus a frying pan is not particularly dirty - I even turn it on to the "glass" mode - half an hour and you're done. In mine there is even a program for sterilizing baby bottles - I bought "maybe my son will get married soon" - so while all these sterilizations are in the project, and they probably brought extra money into the price question)) More often they use all two programs - auto 50-60 or auto 70 degrees - the rest is already fun. The timer is very convenient - especially if you have a three-rate counter (that is, you plan to wash at night). Again, this is a good option, but if this is plus 5 thousand to the price, you can do it, here you look at your rhythm of life. But the internal shelves are all different - this is the convenience and the amount of loading, even two-tier machines are different in terms of internal equipment, I would choose from this point of view)))) It only seems to us at first that there are not many dishes in a small family, but when you start loading the laundry - immediately there is something that you want to wash once again - a lid for a microwave, chopping boards, a sugar bowl and away we go))))

Added on Monday, 13 Jun 2016 00:42

k @ wka, if you do not want to hang the facade - then only a free-standing one, since the built-in ones have neither a facade, nor a handle, just a piece of iron - a technical door. Moreover, this piece of iron can be fixed in a certain position only after hanging the facade - it gives it a certain weight and, as it were, holds it at any angle when the door is open.And you need to very accurately measure the height of the machine - so that it goes under the tabletop. I also built mine into an already finished kitchen - throwing out the cabinet, but the built-in does not have a top panel, it's easier here, so pay attention to this.

Have you decided for yourself which functions are necessary and which are unnecessary? Share your thoughts, please.

Gal, so wrote the same!
Well, the girls described everything quite reasonably.
Incidentally, now in IKEA you can take a 60 cm installation with 3 baskets Electrolux for a special offer with a discount of 5 sp. (until June 16), i.e. 39 sput. This is very good considering the 5-year warranty.
True, the upper basket there is more likely not a basket, but a tray, but not bad either.
🔗
All other models have only 2 baskets.

Closely approached the choice of a dishwasher, choose from 2 options: Are all these features at Bosch worth 5 sput? Or prefer Siemens?

[Anna1957]

Anna1957,
Anna, write the models from which to choose, otherwise the link does not work. Maybe I can help you.

Anechka, Bosch and Siemens are twins. In fact, one firm is BSH. And their models are all parallel, except, literally, a couple.
You need an installation, that's understandable. What's the width? How many baskets?
If I understand correctly, 45 cm is fine. Or do you still want 60? And how much do you want to meet?

[Katya1234]

Katya1234, 1. Dishwasher built-in Bosch SMV 40D00 30000r
2. Dishwasher built-in Siemens SN64D000RU 25000
Ol, 60cm (a lot of space). More budgetary. because there is also a refrigerator and a washing machine

Anya, these cars are for 2 baskets.
According to all reviews, 3 baskets are still better, but with a budget of up to 30 sput it's not realistic, I guess.
Unfortunately, 2 days ago, the promotion at IKEA ended (5 sput discount for every 40 sput), you could take a washing machine, a PMM, and a refrigerator there with discounts for the promotion + 5 years warranty for quite reasonable money.
As for your choice: I have not considered these models of yours, but usually similar Siemens models are a little more expensive than Bosch.
From this I conclude that the Bosch for the same price will be better.
Therefore, most likely the Bosch chosen by you is really more heaped up than the selected Siemens.
You checked them, are they both really on sale?, Otherwise they often write the minimum prices in order to lure, and then it turns out that there is no equipment, and you are being forced into something completely different.

Have you checked them, are they both really on sale ?,

Ol, I threw a washing machine, a dishwasher, a refrigerator in the 003 store into the basket. I haven’t placed an order yet.

[Anna1957]

Anna1957,
Anna, I have not seen any major differences between these two models. You can buy the one that is cheaper. Even the design of the baskets is the same!

[Anna1957]

Anna1957,
Anna, I have not seen any major differences between these two models. You can buy the one that is cheaper. Even the design of the baskets is the same!

That is, Siemens? Bosch simply has more descriptions of all sorts of features. So I asked from the very beginning: are they worth this 5tyr difference? I still have only piccolo cars without any bells and whistles, so I'm not in the subject. This means that it will be possible to save
By the way, I did not understand where they are made. There is subconsciously more trust in Siemens.

[Anna1957]

Anna1957, and whether these bells and whistles are necessary. For example, I only use 2 programs: short 30 minutes. 45C and 70C 128 min. I have a BOSCH 45 cm.

Yes, there really are not.

So why pay more.

I installed Beko yesterday. The son did not use it. I washed it clean. Now figure out the hardness of the water and where to install it. Maybe someone has (model dsfs1530

[Anna1957]

Anna1957,
Anna, both are made in Poland. Therefore, the price is the same. Those that do (possibly) in Germany, the price is 2-3 times higher.

If there is more confidence in Siemens, you have to buy it. I did not find much difference in functions. Roughly the same cars. By the way, in both there is no 70 degree regime, but many live without it. More precisely, there is such a regime, but it is not used.

mowgli,
Natasha, congratulations! Use it for a long time and with pleasure!

While I was going - Siemens disappeared for this price.Then there were clarifications about the delivery with moronic (I can't find another word) managers, as a result, I placed an order for the overall result cheaper in another store. However, again, due to delivery, it will have to be reissued on Wednesday.

By the way, both do not have a 70-degree regime, but many live without it.

but I only use it, I don't like auto 65

Today I watch PMM in the internet, my son asks: “do you want another one?” - yes, her, I answer. He: ".. otherwise it will start like with multicooker .." (I have three of them)

[Gala-balowana]

Gala-balowana,

[Anna1957]

Anna1957
Ordeals with shops and choices are still the same problem! As a rule, they do not have their own warehouses - after ordering, they start looking for large wholesalers.
But then what happiness! Tell us about your experience after purchase))

I have a Miele PMM. Satisfied with the quality of the machine and the washed dishes. But I used to have an old Miele model, there were few programs, but the automatic washing program only took an hour. And now I have a new built-in model and an automatic machine on the program: it washes for 2 hours, but I wash it on the eco program, because there is the most economical consumption: 0.9 kW / h and 9 liters of water, but this program lasts as much as 3 hours! Do all new PMMs from other firms take so long to wash?

[ludmila_27.79]

ludmila_27.79
I will not say now about the PMM, but the washing machine on the Eco-program also erases much longer, it is not clear why then the electricity is saved - if the counter does not spin for an hour and a half, and all three it is unlikely that it spins much slower I think this is already a trick of marketers )) And on the account of Mile - in Russia the price tag of Mile is like a spaceship, for this money you can buy three of the same Bosch-Simmens every 10 years of operation

I have a long time in Beko Eco too. I don’t understand how the savings

On the contrary, in a simple Kandy - Eco is about 1 hour 25 minutes, and the standard 2.5 hours. Washes perfectly.

[ludmila_27.79]

ludmila_27.79, Luda, yeah, it also bothered me in the car, for a long time in all the programs! Three hours is a killer!
I turn on the IVF or the machine with a short mode.
I also want to write about two and three tiers. My very first Bosch 45cm - two tiers and a basket for spoons / forks, everything seems to be fine. But then I had one child. When there were four children, we moved into the house, bought the cheapest 60cm Bosch, also two tiers and a basket for spoons. So, I got into this basket to stick my cutlery into this basket - very small holes and forks / spoons, well, not a fig did not fit, in any case, I could not do a full load of the basket!
Now a mile with three tiers, I calmly lay out forks and spoons)

And I completely gave up the cutlery basket. Spoons-forks fit perfectly into the upper basket, into those folding plastic shelves, on which tea cups can be placed. There are large cups and glasses underneath, and all the forks hang between them.

so on what is the best program to wash the dishes, so that it is washed well and economically and not so long?

I look at the dishes - how greasy? if not especially the plates - wash the cups without pots and pans - then even on a short type "glass" it washes perfectly in half an hour. Moreover, I often put half a tablet on a 45cm machine))) My know-how (do not rush with current slippers) If the pots are pans, and even very fat, there is of course the maximum temperature and plus the "pan" button - the lower tier is especially strong there rinsed compared to standard programs

and why have they stopped producing such simple machines, poured, poured, a lot of

yeah .... lovely and not 2 hours to eat the dishes

that's where the savings are

interesting

the machine is cool, but I'm not sure that it consumes little water and electricity, because for some reason they no longer produce it.

too simple, crazy *, twists and everything, like our Soviet washing machines

but I would like such a dishwasher, otherwise the current ones require too much attention to themselves - and then they are not so and this is not that way for them, but here is the simplest design

technologies go ahead, old models are of course taken out of production. I think they still do this in order to sell equipment at a higher price, because new models are always much more expensive than old ones.

Added on Friday, Jul 29, 2016 6:28 PM

and this 1950 machine did not dry dishes at all?

and this 1950 machine did not dry dishes at all?

it looks like yeah, it didn't dry, it just spun and centrifuged the water brushed away, oh, I would buy one - whatever detergent is convenient to fall asleep, the water is immediately hot, no filters, you don't depend on anything, no * technologies *

I saw in one cafe, too, a good small dishwasher, placed right on the table. Washes dishes in just 15 minutes. and does not dry. It also turns out economically, but she probably has a small load of dishes of sets 6. But I don't know the name of the company, but maybe if you rummage on the Internet you can find something like that.

I bought my first Flavia 45 cm dishwasher a month ago. I just don't figure out which programs to use, standard, intensive, eco. For me it is a dark forest. Who uses which?

[Chizh]

Who uses which?

I mainly use the standard one. If there are not very many dishes, then with a half load. If there are no pots and pans, then a short one.
Chizh, welcome to the forum!