Dishwasher selection (2)

[Evgeniya]

Evgeniya, I have no instructions in Russian, but I would not risk it. Ceramic is a very tough coating that is difficult to scratch. However, a bowl with such a coating cannot be washed in a dishwasher, it is afraid of sudden temperature changes, and tends to become thinner over time.

what do we have for the buildings ??? You need a cool and proven "reinforced" work of 60 (width).

Namesake, I have exactly the same, but only a little different. I have Hansa, built-in, but I have 45cm, made in Europe. It has been working honestly for 7 years already, it fits in such a narrow - a lot! You can wash a couple of pots, plates, cups at once .. I always have a problem, what else to put in there, I go around the apartment looking for dishes forgotten by computers and TV
It washes perfectly, but in St. Petersburg we have very soft water and I have never used salts and rinses at all. There is a 1/2 mode, that is, half load. Then, 7 years ago, the price was significantly cheaper than Bosch. In general, since then I have a lot of respect for Hansa, I bought their washing machine in the village. In general, I have two dishwashers, the second in the village, a very small electrolux, I have not yet fully mastered it, I was looking for a hansu, but they don’t make small ones, and I don’t need a big one here. I definitely like Hansa better!

[Olga]

Olga, I have written that you can (Russellhobs). And I don’t drive it every day, and I’m not slow for the rest of my life. So I'll wash, it's more convenient for me

Natalia K, electrolux with him, on the contrary, everything is fine Electrolux ESL 95201 LO is quite a decent PMM.

I didn't notice the point. And about burning, what can you say? GV64311 or 63311? These machines have 3 rocker arms, but I could not find a clear description, only a photo in the instructions, how to get it, when to wash. I wonder if they are more productive versus 2 or is it the same. The tray on these machines is flat on top for dishes. The more I choose, the more questions ...

Bosch offers a metal overlay on the table top, forum users who do not have such an overlay - does the table top suffer greatly?

These machines have 3 rocker arms

I will not say I do not know, I have a suite with 2 rocker arms, it washes perfectly

Bosch offers a metal overlay on the table top, forum users who do not have such an overlay - does the table top suffer greatly?

I have Siemens (the same Bosch, only in profile), there was an overlay, but my husband said that it was garbage and did not fasten it. My countertop does not suffer, but I mainly put the wash overnight, in the morning I open it already cold.

[Mandraik Ludmila]

Mandraik Ludmila, thanks for the advice!!!

I'll take a look at Hansa, but I need an add-on for 60, because the kitchen is already ready ...

[SvetaI]

SvetaI, Svetlana, and what is your Siemens ??? You can use letters, numbers ...

letters, numbers ...

A little later, I'll get to the house and see

I'll get home

OK, and at least a brief description, whether they are happy or not, and how long have they been in operation ...

[Umka19]

Umka19, Ludmila, they are built-in and 60cm, I mean that Hansa is a reliable technique and even a small one - it washes well, as a rule, the larger the machine, the better it washes. if 45 cm can handle a lot of dishes: I put the dishes one in one, for example: on a bowl, a bowl, a saucepan on a bowl and everything is washed! I looked at the prices from 20tyr ... well, I bought it for 7 years for 8tyr

[Umka19]

Umka19, here I am at home, now I'll tell you everything as if in spirit
I have Siemens SC 76M522RU I have been using it for a little over a year.
The machine is compact, 60 cm high, semi-recessed, that is, it has its own door, not covered by a kitchen panel.
We chose this one because when they were making the kitchen, I screamed like a shot so that the work surface would not be lifted high - I was small and was afraid that it would be inconvenient to work. As a result, when it came to the dishwasher, it turned out that the height of my niche is 80 cm, and the standard machine is 82 cm.
At the time of selection, only Bosch and Siemens were so compact. Well, somehow we liked Siemens outwardly more.
She has two baskets and two rocker arms - one at the bottom, the other attached to the upper basket.
In principle, it washes well, although it is not perfect. In the upper basket I do not put anything in the far right corner, only I pour spoons-forks, the cups may not rinse, or rather not rinse properly.
Soup saucepan (steel) is not washed up to the end. Traces remain on the bottom and top, where a little foam stuck during cooking. If an attack of perfectionism comes over me, I take a tool for steel and scrub it, literally with a couple of movements. But attacks are less and less frequent ...
But the traces of tea from the old cups were remarkably washed, the carbon deposits around the handles from the pots, which you don't always wash with your hands, the grill in the oven shines like new. In general, I am satisfied with the quality of the sink, everyday dishes crunch and shine.
The problems were as follows. Aquastop worked several times - there was water in the pan. As a result, it turned out that this was due to an overdose of powder. The powder container is standard, and the machine is small, it turned out a lot of foam. On the advice of the master, I literally put a teaspoon of powder on a standard sink, but mine is always on a hot program so that it does not float with fat.
Three days before the end of the warranty, the pump flew. We arrived, replaced without a sound, did not take money. We live on.
Something a lot of beeches. If anything else interests - ask

[Mandraik Ludmila]

Mandraik Ludmila, I understood everything!!! It's just that before, in general, all the equipment was done better than now.

[SvetaI]

SvetaI, Svetlana, quickly you got home from work - it's just a dream for many residents of megacities !!! This is the lyrics .... now on business
Svetlana, everything is very detailed and clear !!! Thank you, it's just that these prices made it difficult for me to choose a technique! If you have any questions, then I will ask

you got home from work quickly

I wrote this to you from the metro, we now have lafa - free Wi-Fi in the metro.

[Umka19]

before, in general, all equipment was done better than now

Umka19, Yes, you are absolutly right! There are a lot of disposable equipment, not in the subject: but I was covered with HP Mysteries, when trying to repair they said: there is no official service in St. Petersburg - they are disposable ... I had to buy a new one ... and the meat grinder was covered with Mulinex, made in Europe - all for one week! I bought a bosh - I hope for the brand, but made in china
Horror! I'm already afraid to buy something ...

Girls, what do you think of the Miele G650? Has anyone come across?

Alexander, Svetlana, thank you!

[Umka19]

Umka19, I have a fully built-in 60 Bosch, I have been using it for two years, everything suits, if interested, I will look for a model and tell you in more detail

[aleno4chka]

aleno4chka, Miele G650 Old second-hand PMM buy a big risk.

I mean that Hansa is a reliable technique

This means that if Gorene is written on the Chinese Midea, then they are dissuaded from her. And if Hansa is it okay?

Yes, there is not much difference in general.)

[louisa]

louisa, Louise, if not difficult, then write ... I will read !!!

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, Bijouhow good it is that we have you !!! We appreciate you !!!

[Umka19]

Umka19, Yes, okay ... I would be glad if the crumbs of the accumulated experience are at least useful for something. But I know quite, very little.

So, first, take the time to look into a real store and peep into the cars. Maybe some kind of one will directly push away with something, and it happens. Choose to have programs suitable for you. Praise the third cutlery tray. A shower in the ceiling, folding guides and an upper box, which can be adjusted in height by at least one step, are very desirable.

Programs ... This is the most difficult thing. ((Sometimes the same name works differently for different manufacturers. I would not pay attention to all Eco-50 gr.IMHO, this program has the most complaints, although occasionally there are those who use it. Usually a person chooses one and so all his life with her and lives, because in most cases the dishes are washed the same. I have this Auto-55-65. More common 45-65. Then she is chosen as the main one. Because the hottest doesn't make much sense. But in especially budgetary options, it comes across that there are only three programs - Delicate (rinsing barely at a low temperature), Eco-50 (washes so-so, almost without washing the pots) and Intensive-70.
Well, where to wash the plates, one wonders?

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, Bijou, do not judge strictly ... that's what I dug up in theory ... where to stop or dig further ???
Siemens SC 76M522
Siemens SN 55M540

Electrolux ESL 6380 RO
Electrolux ESL 5310 LO
Electrolux ESL 98810 RA

Bosch SMV58L60EU
Bosch SMV54M90EU

[Lena]

look into a real store and look into cars

Lena, this is the whole problem ... The crisis, sanctions, etc., the assortment is very poor, the consultants are trying to "suck" what is available, but I want the equipment "for centuries !!!"
My husband and I went to Hol ......., they used to have an awesome assortment, now, because of the course, they carry China, Turkey (they are selling leftovers), etc., most of the equipment No name ... I'm just for ....., without laughing, even the Belarusian Hephaestus studied and I think, or maybe take their technique :-)

[Umka19]

Umka19, Duc cars here are more and more "non-Russian". I don’t even know the features of the models, and even among those that are not heard, I “swim.” (I don’t even understand which one you need, either full-size, or compact.

Here in the penultimate Boch, which "L" follow the programs, I don't see them enough. This is a more budget line, there is also a "D", I don't remember which of them is weaker. Somewhere even the bottom filter is plastic, not steel.)) Compared to such a Bosch, I’m better for the Chinese Hansu or Gorenje.))

[Lena]

full-size or compact

Lena, I need a width of 60 cm, that is, full-size, am I thinking right ???

which "L" follow the programs, something I watch them a little. This is a more budget line, there is also a "D", I don’t remember which of them is weaker

Thank you, I will pay attention to this.

cars are more and more "non-Russian"

While I still found it in online stores, I even called some and confirmed their availability ...

Lena, I need a width of 60 cm, that is, full-size, am I thinking right ???

This is yes. But the very first one is indicated as a compact one!)) Its height is 60 cm, as is the width.

[Umka19]

Umka19, I have a Bosch SMV 65M30 PPM, now I looked at how much it costs, I almost fainted, 65 thousand, but I would not have bought it in my life for that kind of money.It has all the necessary functions and, in general, all the necessary ones. I like the 70 degree program, I mainly use it, I always turn on the hygiene-additional rinse program, the ray on the floor is convenient, glass washing at 40 degrees. 40 minutes and 1 hour 20 minutes - I use it when I wash the glass from the cabinets during general cleaning, I do not need it every day, the basket can be rearranged, there is a function for washing pans and trays, but you need to additionally buy some little thing, it washes the dishes well, you just need to adjust the salt and rinse and find a product that will suit you. In general, I am happy with her, I wrote it so briefly, if you have any questions, ask

[Louise]

LouiseThank you for sharing your Beauty !!!

A lot of reviews about her and all positive !!! And the price ..., now everything stands like a wing from a Boeing
Once again, thank you very much !!!

[Umka19]

Umka19, but not at all, of course I love her very much and chose so that there were all the functions and never regretted, only she made two years ago 2.5 times cheaper: girl_mad: if the opportunity allows, then I advise))

I have an Electrolux dishwasher. Has been working since 2008. I can't get enough of her. mmm

[Louise]

Louise, whose assembly do you have ??? Poland???

[Dear Sazalexter, Bijou]

Dear Sazalexter, Bijou, what can you say about the manufacturer ASKO ???

Oooh ... Asko who is the same is THING! Premium brand, no worse than Mila. Until now, I suffer that I once fell for Boshik and did not buy it, being afraid to get involved with possible repairs in our wilderness.

But now Asko is Gorene. More recently, I knew for sure that Technologically Gorene did not interfere in the production of washers and dishwashers, so it was safe to buy.What is happening with the lineup now - you need to ask the representative of Goreny, who is up to date and honest enough.

Girls, and in Europe the queen of sales, Siemens, further Bosch.
I had an old Siemens, worked about 18 (before we served people), then bought a fancy Bosch. I didn't see the difference at all.

I didn't see the difference at all.

Are you sure that it is there at all, from one manufacturer?))

well, the old model is like .. and here is a new one.

[Bijou]

now - you have to ask the representative of Goreny, who is in the know and honest enough.

Bijou, Lena, would you be so kind as to ask for the ovens too ... please

And what's wrong with ovens?)) Ovens have always been their own. So are the solo plates.

[Bijou]

Bijou, Lena, you can call "you" Let's go to the ovens ...

Asko D5546XL - here is a dishwasher, but there are no reviews for all Asko dishwashers ...

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Lud, I asked. Let's see what (and if) they will answer.))
But I sent you to the "necessary forum" with an excellent search !! Why are we here to play with a damaged phone, if you can read everything yourself?

Well, here's one more detail:

There is also "Asko", although they are in the Gorenje line+... 652, 664, 674, while being cheaper. So for those who are thinking about buying PMM Asko, I advise you to pay attention to Gorenje +.

Then there was further on that it seemed that Asuka's Burning slightly improved.)) At the same time, Burning dishes itself does not make, brands Asko, Smeg and Midieu.

Louise, whose assembly do you have ??? Poland???

Germany...

[Louisa]

Germany

Louisa, thank you very much for your reply!!!

[Umka19]

Umka19, not for nothing, I once, when I was doing the repairs, shoveled the entire forum and am still grateful for the advice of the members of the forum, chose the PMM and the best oven and a good oven and a disposer, which is now unspeakably happy, but before the forum I did not know what it was for the beast, so thanks to us all

Hello. Help me decide which dishwasher to choose. I liked two models. Built-in dishwasher 60 cm Hotpoint-Ariston LTF 11M116 EU for 14 sets with 11 programs and a water consumption per cycle of 11 liters, energy consumption 1.03 kW. Dishwasher (60 cm) Bosch SMS40D12RU with the ability to build in 12 sets with 4 programs and a water consumption per cycle of 14 liters and an energy consumption of 1.05 kW. The rest of the characteristics are identical. For the price, they are almost the same.

[Knyazyuk]

Knyazyuk, difficult choice .. So I understand that Ariston is quite advanced, and Bosch is budgetary. Recently there was a forum woman, dissatisfied with the quality of washing her Indesit, and this is the same as Ariston. But there are also complaints about Boshi and I know a forum member who is pleased with his Indesit. So there is no single answer. At least from my side. In principle, for all the modestness of Bosch's programs, 65 degrees is quite normal for a good weekly wash, especially since there is a delay in starting.

Personally, having many years of Bosch (though of German, not Polish origin) in use, I would probably risk choosing Bosch again. But you can have your own opinion - the money is yours.)

Thanks for the answer, I'm leaning towards Bosch. There is another 1350 rubles discount on it. when ordering on the store's website and paying with a card. As a result, Bosch turns out to be 1,650 rubles cheaper than Ariston.