Dishwasher selection (2)

[all]

Thank you, dear ones. From the very beginning I am inclined towards full measure, but when I look at the stove (and I have it 60 * 60) and present another similar "curbstone" next to it, it becomes a little scary for the shelves-drawers: will I place all on remaining area?

On a note to future dishwasher owners:

I have kitchen furniture (lower part) of non-standard height (higher than usual) .. so when installing the dishwasher there was an incident ... on the dishwasher a facade with a vertical enlarged size so that this facade matches all the kitchen line, then the length of the facade at the bottom prevents the dishwasher from opening to the end ... the facade rests against the bottom of the dishwasher

now we are going to try to lower the legs of the dishwasher .. and between the dishwasher and the countertop to pile some bars .. to fix the machine.

something in our city is bad with Beko ... in one store they offered two models from the window, but I was afraid to take. I had to take Bosch SPV69T70RU. upon opening, there was no metal plate on the countertop to protect it from steam, the store says that the packaging has not been opened and the manufacturer's wine. turned to the manufacturer, he sent to the store. So I dashed off a letter to the store and I'm waiting for an answer, now I look at my typewriter with suspicion, but I hope that without a plate everything may be fine

I have kitchen furniture (lower part) of non-standard height (higher than usual) ..

I wonder what is the height of your bottom? I have 90cm and no problems.

something in our city is bad with Beko ... in one store they offered two models from the window, but I was afraid to take. I had to take Bosch SPV69T70RU. upon opening, there was no metal plate on the countertop to protect it from steam, the store says that the packaging has not been opened and the manufacturer's wine. turned to the manufacturer, he sent to the store. So I dashed off a letter to the store and I'm waiting for an answer, now I look at my typewriter with suspicion, but I hope that without a plate everything may be fine

I didn't have a plate in Beko .. only a foil tape with an adhesive backing .. to stick directly above the opening door ..

I wonder what is the height of your bottom? I have 90cm and no problem.

I'm at work .. I'll tell you for sure .. need to measure ..

[all]

Thank you, dear ones. From the very beginning, I am inclined towards full measure, but when I look at the stove (and I have it 60 * 60) and present another similar "curbstone" next to it, it becomes a little scary for the shelves-drawers: will I place all on remaining area?

A friend of mine has a war because of this house: leave the stove or buy a hob + dishwasher. I do not interfere, I observe which will win: the daily dishwashing or the apple pie baked every six months

I watch what wins: daily dishwashing or apple pie baked every six months

This is not a question at all. My stove is new and good - this is one, and the second: the oven in it is my working machine. For the planned dishwasher, the washing machine was moved into the hallway (next to the bathroom, in the place of the dismantled pantry) and for now. Find a good furniture maker who understands women - and you can order such a kitchen, Schaub truncated climbed

Find a good furniture maker who understands women - and you can order such a kitchen, Schaub truncated climbed

Are you fond of science fiction ??

I have a narrow BOSCH dishwasher and I'm glad I didn't take the full-size one.I have 5 adults in my family and that's enough for us. It's okay if I run the machine 2 times on the weekend.

And I took a full-sized one and I can't figure out what fits in the lower basket in a narrow dishwasher.
Yesterday evening, after work, I prepared dinner and food for the baby the next day: I cooked pasta, compote and jelly. A total of 3 pots. I made the chicken in a slow cooker - I didn't dare to shove it into the dishwasher. Plus a bowl from a blender, in which I broke berries for jelly. Plus a bowl into which curd cheese dripped. Lower basket to the eyeballs. But the plates of course always fit in any quantity without problems, they take up little space.

I have 5 adults in my family and that's enough for us.

I feel like a pig: when we eat, we save up little in a day, and when I cook something on the second day, it may not fit in 60. Yesterday we washed it, but now it is full, and I just overclocked! Another cupcake and chicken are to be cooked (borsch, ice cream and vegetables are already ready). Moreover, the pots are only multi-cookers - they are mine by my hands, and I do not send the food processor to the PMM after low-fat work. Oh, and where are now "three plates that I will wash with handles"

[plastic]

I made chicken in a multicooker - I didn't dare to shove it into the dishwasher.

Moreover, pots are only multicooker - with my hands,

And I was so lazy that now the pots from my MV-rochek are also mine in PMM ...

Although it is necessary to write about the means in the topic, but still I will share my experience here ...
I use all the means separately ... From my own observations (I have to step on my rake ....) ... the powder is still very thermonuclear for pots .. If you start a machine with pots from MV without any means, then white drops remain on the bowls (you can see all the same, the salt content in the water affects) and I found the very thing with which the pots are PERFELY washed without leaving any traces ... look ...

I have two of them - with different smells. I bought it in Kharkov (in Fozi), the price is something in the region of 60 or 70 hryvnia - now I won't say for sure ... I use it exclusively for washing pots.
If you wash with this gel plastic containers / mugs / bottles, the smell from them is simply wildly is absorbed into plastic, so all my plastic is still powder.

Hello forum users! I'm going to buy a dishwasher. Family, two adults and two children (2 years and 3 months), there is very little free time, plus eczema on my hands, mine is only in gloves. Tired, you start washing, the child needs something, you take off your gloves, do it, then go back to the sink. I want to wash everything in the car and so that it launders everything, I can pay more just not to wash it. Questions to mummies, do you wash baby bottles (glass, plastic, nipples in the dishwasher?) I understand that:
1) 70 degree function, will be useful, at least for baby bottles
2) detergents rinse off 70 degrees better
3) I'll choose between Veko and Bosch, but it seems like everyone praises Bosch more + I checked it before buying, called the authorized service centers of Veko and Bosch. Bosch got off the phone, but Veko didn't get through :(
In favor of Bosh. +
4) I want to be 45, if I try to build 60 into a set, I'm afraid that the kitchen set will fall apart or try to somehow cram these 60 cm?
5) I am somehow afraid of built-in models, it seems to me that if something breaks with a stand-alone machine, will it be easier to repair or not?
6) I want to wash baking sheets there. It is necessary to choose so that the upper shelf for dishes is removed, do I think correctly?
In general, if not difficult, advise, criticize, comment.

3) I'll choose between Veko and Bosch, but it seems like everyone praises Bosch more + I checked it before buying, called the authorized service centers of Veko and Bosch. Bosch got off the phone, but Veko didn't get through :(
In favor of Bosh. +

Compare these two models, how to compare an elephant and a pug, but seriously, these 2 model lines are made from different price categories ...
about calls: I don’t know what number you called in Veko, they have a number starting at 8-800- ..I called them repeatedly in connection with certain problems with the PMM, and so how that call was on Sunday evening after 19.00 - so I was immediately answered ...
and service centers have nothing to do with manufacturing firms ... - more precisely, they do .. they receive money from manufacturers for repairing their equipment "on site" ... We have one service center, probably serving ALL manufacturers except Samsung (they have own service) ... so this service center already stores tries ... sent, because the rudeness there is incredible !!!

6) I want to wash baking sheets there. It is necessary to choose so that the upper shelf for dishes is removed, do I think correctly?
In general, if not difficult, advise, criticize, comment.

I can't say for Bosch, but in Beko the upper basket cannot be removed, but only lifted up, that is, it has 2 positions ..

5) I am somehow afraid of built-in models, it seems to me that if something breaks with a stand-alone machine, will it be easier to repair or not?
6) I want to wash baking sheets there. It is necessary to choose so that the upper shelf for dishes is removed, do I think correctly?
In general, if not difficult, advise, criticize, comment.

The embedded model is not to be feared. For repair it is simply put forward and there are no problems.
To wash the baking sheets, you need to choose to have a special spray nozzle, otherwise the stream of water will just hit the door and there is little sense. Bosch has different accessories for washing bottles and various small and light items.
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I have a built-in Bosch of 45 cm.The upper basket is removed in the car, but even without this procedure, the baking sheet fits quietly (it all depends on the width of your stove, I have it 50 cm, so the baking sheet easily fits across the machine), no special sprinkler I don’t have anything to counter it, everything is washed perfectly on the lower basket, and something else is being washed on the upper one at this time. If you wash plastic bottles for 70 ', they will be matte, nipples, glass will wash without problems.

I don’t have any special sprinkler for the protrusion, everything is washed off perfectly on the lower basket, and something else is being washed on the upper one at this time.

This is precisely because you do not remove the upper basket. And if the baking sheet did not fit with the upper basket, then a sprinkler should be put on the hole from the upper rocker arm, but it is not included in every model. At this point you need to pay attention when choosing a PMM.

I can't say for Bosch, but in Beko the upper basket cannot be removed, but only lifted up, that is, it has 2 positions ..

I can't say for narrow beko, but in beko 6833 (60cm) the upper basket can be removed. Special attachments for washing trays, though not, but there is such a holder for high cans and bottles as a photo

quarrel for offtopic - and messages are not deleted at all now?

I'm going to buy a dishwasher. I will choose between Veko and Bosch
I want to go to 45. I want to wash baking sheets there.
In general, if not difficult, advise, criticize, comment.

I had no question of choice. After I was tormented with Electrolux for 2 years, although everyone said that it was a very successful model, I replaced it with Bosch (45 cm) and I don’t know any problems for 3 years now, mmm. My everything! Everyday. What I wish for everyone. The only thing you should definitely pay attention to: the country of origin. Friends had problems with Bosch - not Germany. But even this is how lucky.

[Lga]

1) 70 degree function, will be useful, at least for baby bottles
2) detergents rinse off 70 degrees better
In general, if not difficult, advise, criticize, comment.

Lga correctly advises all sorts of holders, without them nipples and other little things are scattered with the pressure of water. Unless you can try to close and wash them in a mesh basket.
As for the baking trays, let me ask you, what is the need to wash them frequently? I bake at least once a week, but either in a mold or on a Teflon / silicone mat.Only the rug has to be washed on the table with a soapy rag, and the baking sheet is clean!

The upper basket in Beko 5833 Extra is removable Who does not know how: the basket goes out on the "rails", when it is fully extended, then its wheels rest against the plugs, take a closer look, there is a tongue that you can drown in and remove the plug - then pull out the basket

In general, I went to the shops, Veko is nowhere to be found by itself, Bosch or Siemens. Maybe someone knows measured a Siemens model Siemens SR 25E230 or Siemens SR24E202RU with a centimeter, one of them measured 43 cm! I started looking and the Internet is everywhere written 45 cm! In short, "I am sitting on the asphalt with my skis on ..." even if you go and measure it again, for me these two centimeters are decisive.
And about the retractable basket, I just pulled out the top shelf on wheels at Bosch and took it off, is that how I understand the removable basket?
Yes, good advice about the baking sheet, thank you, if I order a bottle holder via the Internet, we seem to be not on sale.

In my opinion, the upper baskets of all machines are removable. But they wrote to you correctly earlier - washing with the basket removed is possible only if there is a sprinkler plug.
In general, I would shrink on your family with some kind of locker, but I would take 60cm. This is after the experience of using 45 for a small family.

You read my mind :) but:
1) Yesterday I consulted with my husband, if you buy 60 cm, you need a new kitchen set right away, in order to build in, you need to remove the support under the countertop, but then the set will fall apart.
2) I have already seriously looked at the stove and dishwasher together, but I often use the oven, the stove is gas, gas is much cheaper with us than electricity. I bought the stove 3 months ago, then there was no second PE yet and the time spent on washing the dishes was not so sorry, I ate all my husband's brains, and now I will clean the stove :)
3) Put somewhere in the corridor, the hoses will go, these are not wires they cannot be hidden under the baseboard. In short, I'll think about it.
I also understand Siemens and Bosch are very similar, like the reviews about Siemens are also good?

I also understand Siemens and Bosch are very similar, like the reviews about Siemens are also good?

I already wrote that I did not have a question of choice, since the master who was tormented with my Electrolux immediately called Bosch-Germany to replace, he also spoke about Siemens, but 3 years ago in the store where they made a replacement for me ( according to the certificate) Siemens was not. As for 45 cm: all my friends, including those with many children (3 children and 5 grandchildren) have a PMM of 45 cm, and my daughter, if she has a small child, too. Nobody suffers from this. Well, it happens that we turn it on 2 times a day, it's okay.

About the size. When I just bought a dishwasher (I have 45), I thought it was 60 better. Now she lived and began to think that she could live with a small tabletop. We live together with our son. But I work at home (that is, I am literally at home almost all the time) and my son, a schoolboy, eats at home. I cook constantly and varied. I run the dishwasher every day. And, sometimes, 2 times a day. For birthday, soap was 6-7 times. Why do I sometimes think about a small PMM, I had to start more plates, forks, bowls for salads, now I am experiencing a shortage of tablespoons (I need to buy more). In a baby, I would wash several times a day. And on 45 half empty it is a pity to run. Salt, detergent, rinse aid, water consumption. Although, perhaps, I will still live and stop being greedy and start half empty.
This is so, thinking out loud. Can someone help.

About the size. When I just bought a dishwasher (I have 45), I thought it was 60 better. Now she lived and began to think that she could live with a small tabletop.

When I bought the first PMM, I looked only at the tabletop, since the kitchen is small, I thought that even 45 cm was too much. Then the seller told me: "Are you going to wash only plates and cups? But what about pots, pans, etc.?" Now I understand that he was absolutely right. And regarding the launch of a half-empty PMM: who prevents you from turning it on every day? Just storing up dishes in it? In my opinion, that's okay too ...

When I bought the first PMM, I looked only at the tabletop, since the kitchen is small, I thought that even 45 cm was too much. Then the seller told me: "Are you going to wash only plates and cups? But what about pots, pans, etc.?" Now I understand that he was absolutely right. And regarding the launch of a half-empty PMM: who prevents you from turning it on not every day? Just storing up dishes in it? In my opinion, that's okay too ...

I don’t write that I regret buying. I run mine at 45 every day, and it happens that 2 times a day. And I save up dishes in it for the whole day. But I had to buy more tableware. Previously, before the dishwasher, there were fewer dishes. It's just that girls think about sizes 45 and 60. They have a lot of kids and big families. So I shared my thoughts. There are only two of us.
In short, the conclusion is that you can live with a small dishwasher, if you run it several times a day. And, perhaps, this is even more correct. The dishes will not sour all day long. Soiled, cooked, put everything on at once and washed. By the evening, the dishes were still assembled - they started and washed everything again. Something like that.

In short, the conclusion is that you can live with a small dishwasher, if you run it several times a day. And, perhaps, this is even more correct.

Of course, in this sense you are right. And you have to start a large amount of dishes, BUT ... but what about bulky dishes? She won't fit into a small PMM, will she? And to make me, for example, do something by hand is already impossible ...
By the way, there are only two of us too ...

And to make me, for example, do something by hand is already impossible ...

Here it is the pernicious influence of Progress!

I have a small PM. There is not a lot of food dishes, it will not be possible to save up twice - there will be nothing to eat. LOVE to wash dishes and hand too. If you ate everything together at a time, then mine in the PM, and if there is one in the sink, I will wash three plates with my hands, no question. And only the machine washes the pots. Sometimes I drive twice a day, sometimes once every two days. I have numerous guests only on holidays, but I confess, at such moments I want 60k. I repeat - this is an invasion only for birthdays.

Here it is the pernicious influence of Progress!

Yes, girls, progress is a terrible thing ... Is this how we lived without mobile phones, multicooker, microwave oven, etc.? It's scary to think ...

I know why 60 is needed - wash two flasks from the airfryer at the same time. Just the upper basket has dropped to the required height!

LOVE to wash dishes and hand too.

I, too, once did not really like, but I was calm about washing dishes. And now hand washing dishes can only be dreamed of in a nightmare. So after all, they were once washed by hand ... Who else remembers these nightmarish boiling tanks?

[In a baby, I would wash several times a day]

I run the dishwasher every day. And, sometimes, 2 times a day. For birthday, soap was 6-7 times. Why sometimes I think about a small PMM, I had to start more plates, forks, bowls for salads, now I am experiencing a shortage of tablespoons (I have to buy more). In a baby, I would wash several times a day... And on 45 half empty it is a pity to run. Salt, detergent, rinse aid, water consumption... Although, perhaps, I will still live and stop being greedy and start half empty.

I didn’t understand the train of your thoughts))), but what would be the savings, well, except for not bought new dishes?

I know why 60 is needed - wash two flasks from the airfryer at the same time. Just the upper basket has dropped to the required height!

And also the shelves and drawers from the fridge fit in, and they (refrigerators), in my opinion, for sure, everyone has at least 60 cm

[Innesss-ka]

Innesss-ka, that's strange, for some reason there are no questions like "which refrigerator to take: desktop, narrow or full-size?" And the washing machines and dishwashers (undeservedly offended workers of the rear!) Are trying to squeeze into the slot

[Wasp]

Wasp I'm already looking at the refrigerator-chest of drawers, and it is 70-80cm wide, that's where I then look for such a PMM?

: girl_cleanglasses: And by the way, Agatha Christie came up with her detectives, it was my dishes.

: girl_cleanglasses: And by the way, Agatha Christie came up with her detectives, it was my dishes.

Yeah, I washed it and thought about how to kill more sophisticated :-)))
These are the thoughts that washing dishes brings up. It's better to let the PMM wash

Oh, that's what I consulted ... 45 or 60? Now I feel like that monkey: "smart on the right, beautiful on the left, but what should I burst into?"

Yes, the advice here, in general, is one of the most common: take 45 only if 60 well does not fit at all! At one time I was guided by him and bought a 60-ku. I reasoned like this: I will get rid of the old stove in favor of multicooker (though I have it 50 cm), and instead of it I’ll put a dishwasher. Now, when I think about a new kitchen set, I understand that a 60 cm washer is superfluous. It will most likely be necessary to take the vertical, I read Temki on them, and there is also advice: take the vertical only if there is absolutely nowhere to put the frontal!

I understand that a 60 cm washer is unnecessary

Eh, everyone would like a kitchen where everything fits, and even a washing machine Vertical for sure (except that the Soviet Chaika-3 is a beast machine! The motor is unkillable) After it was 4.5 kg horizontal, now we bought it for 7 kg - beauty ! Bed linen can be washed in one cycle, and not in 2-3 wash. And jackets / blankets fit.

My PMM 60 broke, now I'm thinking about a new one, after using it, I don't even look in the direction of 45, although I had to disassemble the kitchen floor and give up the necessary shelves.

And how much did it work and which one?

Of course, the kitchen is no longer disassembled. I have 45 cm, but we have already dismantled the kitchen for her. This is the layout. And so they would take 60cm.

Hello! I read the topic with interest. Take the new one. True, the dishwasher is no longer new to me, the fifth year went (I, after reading, studied the instructions again), but for the first time I myself got out of the underground. I experienced a lot of what I wrote myself, especially talk about laziness, wastefulness, etc. Because I live alone, and my PMM is full-sized. Sometimes I look in the store at the narrow, elegant cars (now I like the little black Boshik) and think, "Well, why do I need so many alone?" And then I open the door and understand that my 60 cm is the very thing! I have a Kaizer installation, but now I want to move it out, a little does not fit into the new arrangement of furniture. Will live by another wall in a separate "booth", perhaps even "warm", that is, with additional. soundproofing, because they are noisy - at first I ran to the kitchen to see if the dishwasher was working or had already broken down and the fountain was pouring out of it
Of course, when I bought it, there were many doubts. Practically none of the acquaintances had (and still manage). Was and has a friend. Her words became decisive: "You, of course, don't really need her. But we bring lunch to work with us and I always have the cleanest containers." So I wanted the same ones. And I have no regrets. I gradually replaced the dishes, the old ones were finished to perfection. From time to time I drag her dishes, especially plastic, from mom to wash. As for the protein rim, kitchen plaque, etc., I adapted like this - I open the door closer to the end of the sink, take out a steamed saucepan or something else and run it over it with a washcloth. In literally one or two movements, all the byaka is removed and the dishes are put back into the machine for washing, rinsing and drying. But if this is not done, then this dirt is welded to the dishes again.But such problematic things are rarely washed.
I wish you all clean dishes and free time!

In general, I took Bosch at 60. They will bring it this week. To put it you will have to move the dining table almost into the corridor. I think the dishes are dirty after every meal, and more than two people never eat at our table. Only to Bosch for some reason there was no test strip, it was written in the instructions to find out the hardness, call the water utility. I looked on the site, the values ​​there are not as in the instructions, in general, I will probably have to experiment with salt.I am from Omsk can anyone know the stiffness? And when she told her friends on the playground that she had bought a PPM, they looked at me as if I had informed them about buying an elephant for an apartment (allegedly unnecessary, but buy money). Although it seems that all advanced moms :)

In general, I took Bosch at 60. Only for Bosch for some reason there was no test strip, it was written in the instructions to find out the hardness, call the water utility. I looked on the site, the values ​​there are not as in the instructions, in general, I will probably have to experiment with salt. And when she told her friends on the playground that she had bought a PPM, they looked at me as if I had informed them about buying an elephant for an apartment.

Congratulations on your purchase! I, too, did not have any test strips with Bosch. I just poured salt according to the instructions and that's it. I did not change any settings. And when you see how radiant your dishes have become, the opinion of your friends will become completely unimportant! (Let them also talk about energy consumption ...) I'm not talking about the time that will be left for the kids!

I am from Omsk can anyone know the stiffness?

The water hardness in one city in different areas may differ, so if you want to know the hardness, call the water utility, if you don't want to, then don't change the factory settings.