Panasonic or Moulinex and - general questions of choice

Oh, Andrey !!! Quickly done !!! Good luck! NNN? so that problems do not recur again1
Donut, can you find out the exact address ??? Name of shop?
or at least a phone?

I would be very grateful!

I woke up at night from the noise - it turned out that the bread maker was doing the batch
She stirred, calmed down and could continue to sleep ...

By the time we woke up for work, the oven baked a second bread, regular white bread, without any additives on Dr. Oetker Half a roll went straight for breakfast







Everything is as per the recipe. Program two (French) - so it is written in the book, and this is 3 hours 34 minutes for a weight of 750 grams and the most fried crust. I didn't follow the kolobok - she knows how to follow. In fact, after weighing, it turned out 732 grams (it was curious to find out) In general, it turned out soft, tasty and baked

Congratulations!
the stove does not disappoint in work, the main thing is not to break !!!
P. S I did not wake up from the noise ...

Congratulations! It's great that your assistant came back so quickly. My Mulya has been in service for more than two months. Take care of it now. Let it work for your joy.

Again the engine jammed in the stove when I decided to bake a pie! Enough ... If the second time it stuck completely, I will get angry at the stove and at the moulinex ...

I stopped kneading the dough again at the beginning of the program ...

I've already created a topic about this, what to do if it breaks again ...

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=2671.0

Broke a second time!

The same breakdown!

On Monday, only took from the repair! I'm already angry at moulinex

yes well ... probably it's not about Moulinex, but about the assembly ...
I really sympathize with you!

yes well ... probably it's not about Moulinex, but about the assembly ...

Well, yes, it was this Mulinex that was assembled at the tractor plant?

It's a pity that it happened, but you still have time to return this stove, very little time, but, I hope, you will have time. There is no point in repairing it if it behaves like that.
I wish you good luck with all my heart.

Why is there not enough time to return?

bye ... what does the tractor have to do with it?
poorly assembled ... maybe they put a shitty piece in ...
many have everything ok.

Why is there not enough time to return?

I meant 14 days from the date of purchase ... although yes, after the repair, it is only necessary to the service center for the conclusion about the initial unsuitability, and this needs expertise ... and with this expertise, the conclusion of the service center, the sales receipt- to the store, it is advisable to make copies for yourself, and be sure to list the documents enclosed in the envelope.

bye ... what does the tractor have to do with it?
poorly assembled ... maybe they put a shitty piece in ...
many have everything ok.

I am surprised to you that this is assembled at the factory, almost automatically, then each unit of the product is tested (if it is a reputable factory or plant), and you say so, as if Uncle Vasya collects in the booth and, drunk, put in a detail x ...
And your stoves were assembled in one enterprise that bears the same name. And which, you see, does not value its reputation very much, since so much marriage casts a shadow on the entire brand, unfortunately ...

Here ... this is the whole inconvenience

The act must be taken about its unsuitability ...

Celestina, there is still a question, can I immediately demand an act of unsuitability in the service center tomorrow (without examination, so as not to waste time) or should I wait, or even worse - I will have to hand it over for repairs indefinitely?

Still, the second breakdown in a row in a week, and exactly the same ...

I think at least we should insist.The same breakdown almost immediately after the repair.

Here ... this is the whole inconvenience

The act must be taken about its unsuitability ...

Celestina, there is still a question, can I immediately demand an act of unsuitability in the service center tomorrow (without examination, so as not to waste time) or should I wait, or even worse - I will have to hand it over for repairs indefinitely?

Still, the second breakdown in a row in a week, and exactly the same ...

I think that without expertise, the store may not be taken back, although you first come to the service center, what will they say there, if they immediately write an act, only such that the store does not open, then it is normal, they may not want this in the service, everything from it depends on how much I still remember something

Of course you have to try !!! I would still try to exchange or return it ...

So I want it, but what is this business - I paid my money and then run and suffer, but constantly ask for time off from work ...

And it is better to write a letter for now - this is the city reception for human rights, they will answer you if you describe the problem in detail.

Oh thanks! do they respond quickly? have not encountered personally?

Oh thanks! do they respond quickly? have not encountered personally?

Fortunately, I didn’t come across it, but I heard that they were answering.
And then download a sample letter of address to the store (in Ukrainian)

thanks for the help

And another question - what do they do with the stove after the certificate is issued? Does it need to be picked up and carried to the store, or does it remain at the service center?

In the store with her, you should see what you came to give and choose a replacement or refund.

thanks again

I downloaded the claim, I can't understand - in my opinion there are old norms ... in a new one differently

I was already in the service center today ... I swore a little, but they behaved very correctly there.

They don't give the act, they are obliged to fix it and like they can't just hand out such acts, only if they really can't do it ... I swore - it didn't help ...

And without this act, the claim to the store is not valid ... And I have already prepared a claim, indicated the necessary article, but there is no act

Evil already I can not Here we have ugly legislation made in Ukraine!

Andrey, you definitely need to communicate with the consumer protection society, you need to argue with the service reasonably

Andrei! Have you tried to start the stove again after this jamming?

The fact is that my stove, too, periodically refuses to knead. BUT, after standing for 10 minutes off, she again gets down to business. I noticed that this happens when the bucket stood on a damp (wet) surface before being immersed in the oven. And as soon as it dries up, everything works. She herself got sick because of this. Can it still work for you? Try it!

Lera, have you had this stove for a long time?

Of course I tried it!

But .... alas .....

I called the service center today, today they said that they ordered a container (a vat, probably), an engine and an electronic control circuit! Super, everything is covered inside!

BUT - THE ACT of unsuitability is NOT GIVEN !!!! They said - if we don't have time to fix it in 14 days - only then we will give it out (here they seem to be right - it is written in the law).

I called the service center today - the car got stuck at the border, until the end of the week they didn't have time to make the stove ...

I wait until February 13th (the last 14th day according to the law) and, if anything, I will go to write a request for the issuance of an act!

well, good luck again! let everything be resolved somehow. So you look and you will have a longed-for PANASONIC !!!

Yes, I am not against this oven - it would only work without problems

Today I called the service center - they haven't done it yet, a truck with spare parts is at the border
Tomorrow the last (14th) day will just expire - so I will go for the act, as it should be by law

urrrra! Finally, all the torment will be behind !!! have you already found a replacement?

Tomorrow I'll get the act in my hands - then I'll think about it

In general, I liked the capabilities of the 5004th stove, but I just want a new time that stove is a complete marriage, I hope I'm lucky with a new one

Panasonic 255 is most likely still problematic to find ....

Bunny, do you like a stove, I hope everything works fine?

everything is fine. at the moment I am baking my second bread for today

Then I'll probably take Moulinex 5004 again
But, the truth is not a fact

And I usually don't eat so much bread, yes and nowhere to go

A loaf of 1 kg for a working week was enough when the cake was

Then I'll probably take Moulinex 5004 again
But, the truth is not a fact

And I usually don't eat so much bread, yes and nowhere to go

A loaf of 1 kg for a working week was enough when the cake was

Andrei, when I was buying my stove, the sellers unanimously repeated to me "not Moulinex." I bought Kenwood and I'm happy. The smallest loaf - 0.5 kg. For two just right, enough for a few days. I think that Panasonic would be too big for us (although it was behind him). And in cheap ovens you get good bread. It all depends on flour, yeast and, most importantly, on your mood!

I agree that in deshovyh - good bread!

And in cheap ovens you get good bread. It all depends on flour, yeast and, most importantly, on your mood!

Well, since I decided on an expensive stove, it means I buy an expensive one, especially since I read so many reviews and tried this stove

Although from my own experience I see that expensive punctures with quality are ...

[Sveta]

Sveta, and how many grams of flour do you have 0.5 kg of bread? If it's 400g, then you can easily bake in Panasonic. I baked cake from Elena Bo from 300g of flour, it turned out good.

Well, the act is on hand! Now it would be necessary to achieve what is required by law

Well, the act is on hand! Now it would be necessary to achieve what is required by law

Congratulations! You are a brave person, again you want to buy Mulineshka, for example, I would not have dared to do this for anything after everything that happened. Good luck to you!

Congratulations! You are a brave person, again you want to buy Mulineshka, for example, I would not have dared to do this for anything after everything that happened. Good luck to you!

I'm already starting to wonder if canwood buy

Here at this link I described the trip to the service center https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=2671.new#new

Answer 54.

I'm already starting to wonder if canwood buy

I can't say anything about canwood, mine is different.

Simply Panasonic is nowhere to be found in Kiev ...

In general, my dream is the 255th

Didn't they ask Celestine? She is a kind person and as I understand she always comes to the rescue whenever possible.

I asked for a long time and often, unable to withstand expectations (2 months), I bought Moulinex

They simply are not in Kiev and only recently appeared and disappeared, judging by her story ...

[Sveta]

Sveta, and how many grams of flour do you have 0.5 kg of bread? If it's 400g, then you can easily bake in Panasonic. I baked cake from Elena Bo from 300g of flour, it turned out good.

Andreevna, I have 0.5 kg of finished product
- water 245 ml
- vegetable oil-1 tbsp
-flour-350 gr
- dry milk-1 tbsp
-salt - 1 tsp
-sugar-2 tsp
- yeast - 1 tsp
This is a standard recipe for my oven. In principle, the same as in Panasonic. Only it was not then.
I'll make a reservation right away that I replace water with milk. With this proportion, a bun is always obtained. I rarely add 1-2 teaspoons of flour.
I saw the layout for 300 grams of flour for cake in recipes (thanks for transferring to a smaller volume). I'll bake a little later.

in Odessa, there were Panasonic 255-1180 254-1029 in Megamax.

I asked for a long time and often, unable to withstand expectations (2 months), I bought Moulinex

They simply are not in Kiev and only recently appeared and disappeared, judging by her story ...

It's hard to say anything here. In principle, a projectile should not hit the same funnel twice, but anything can happen. On the other hand, if you only need bread, you should probably wait and buy 255 - they are probably safer. The fact that the second heating element was inserted into the body of the previous version without changing the design of the cover fastening is a serious puncture in 5004, which I successfully dealt with by creating an appropriate emphasis on the body. I have no complaints so far and my expectations that the 5004 can also be used as an operational mini-oven were fully justified. I make all kinds of primitive pastries up to sausages wrapped in puff pastry more often than bread. While the oven runs like clockwork and the baking is the same in all four sections. I put it out and took it out and run shorter.

Hello! Soon I will join your ranks. Here I read it for HP and wanted to knead dough and pancakes and dumplings on dumplings. And most importantly, she baked cakes and bread perfectly. I stopped at Panasonic, rushed into battle (to ring up shops) and ..... I was terribly upset. Out of 10 stores, only one Mulieszka 3000 can lead 5002 or 5004. There is no more choice. When ever they are brought into the household appliances LG and Binatone. You need to follow and call constantly. In general, the choice is small. I decided to take Mulinex, but acquaintances dissuade, they say they break often (in general, all Mulinex products). Already and was upset. There are Kenwoods, but reviews for them are scanty. And can they be put on the same level with other HP.?