Panasonic or Moulinex - general questions of choice

And yet, do not cut the bread hot, let it release all excess moisture, then it will not reach for the knife.

Andrey, congratulations on your purchase, I wish you success!

Immediately, I will briefly express my opinion:

a) the display should not change its brightness, take a closer look, perhaps, "hot on the trail" the stove needs to be changed (first of all, investigate the problem - is this always a phenomenon, will it disappear when the stove is turned off / on from the network);

b) what is this recipe ?? - in my opinion, the amount of milk is very much overestimated! This is the main reason!

c) 2 tablespoons of yeast is normal!

The first recipe that I baked was milk bread and according to the recipe it was 2 teaspoons of yeast, I had the same situation as Andrew's, the roof of the bread failed, after the yeast was reduced to 1.25, the roof of the bread did not fail.

b) what is this recipe ?? - in my opinion, the amount of milk is very much overestimated! This is the main reason!

Well, a recipe from the oven recipe book

Immediately, I will briefly express my opinion:

a) the display should not change its brightness, take a closer look, perhaps, "hot on the trail" the stove needs to be changed (first of all, investigate the problem - is this always a phenomenon, will it disappear when the stove is turned off / on from the network);

I don’t know about this ..... He blinks a little - as if the picture shakes a little. The token does not disappear all the time. It can be seen from a certain angle, only this case is still being checked - for another 2 weeks you can calmly check
Well, there is a 2-year warranty, if that

The first recipe that I baked was milk bread and according to the recipe it was 2 teaspoons of yeast, I had the same situation as Andrew's, the roof of the bread failed, after the yeast was reduced to 1.25, the roof of the bread did not fail.

I will consider, thanks

Now I'm at work, and in the evening I'll look at the recipe in my book and unsubscribe. As far as I understand it is "milk bread" ??

As for the yeast producer, I (like many on this forum) prefer "SAF-Moment". But this is IMHO.

Now I'm at work, and in the evening I'll look at the recipe in my book and unsubscribe. As I understand it is "milk bread" ??

yes, milk, I have such a recipe, I wonder which one for the 5002 model

As for the yeast producer, I (like many on this forum) prefer "SAF-Moment". But this is IMHO.

I got a lot of different yeast, but most of all I bought from Metro Dr. Oetker
I have Saf-Levure

I also bought flour of different 1 kg for a sample.
Then I'll see where to stop

I looked at Andrey's photos, and I had a suspicion that my top ten was getting too hot and the bread in those places burns a little ... and what should I do? is it a natural defect?

I looked at Andrey's photos, and I had a suspicion that my top ten was getting too hot and the bread in those places burns a little ... and what should I do? is it a natural defect?

I think you shouldn't worry about ten yet.

I have only one bun of speck, and the middle has failed, perhaps because of this I have more evenly, then I will also upload subsequent pictures for comparison

I need to try a few more - then it will be possible to say something definite

of course it only visually bothers me, everything tastes ok

[Andrei]

Andrei, this is practically the basic recipe for my very often baked bread and I have 320 ml of milk (or a mixture of milk and water) for 525 g of flour, no more than 1.5 tsp of yeast, so there is clearly a lot of yeast.

yes, milk, I have such a recipe, I wonder which one for the 5002 model

I got a lot of different yeast, but most of all I bought from Metro Dr. Oetker
I have Saf-Levure

I checked the recipe - everything matches exactly, so it's not the recipe.

About yeast: Andrey, Saf-Levure is not a SAF-moment. You need dry yeast in a red bag of 10 grams (or 12 - I don't remember now). Above the label is the baker.

P.S. Here is a photo of my milk bread according to the same recipe - I always put 2 tsp of yeast.

In general, you need to gain experience - at least for the first time, bite more, try it. I did that.

About yeast: Andrey, Saf-Levure is not a SAF-moment. You need dry yeast in a red bag of 10 grams (or 12 - I don't remember now). Above the label is the baker.

Fast-acting yeast Saf-Moment. Net weight: 11 gr.
Or else very good SAF-Instant, 500 g pack.
Saf-Instant looks like this, and Saf-Moment looks like a small pack and the baker is the same:

beautiful bread

Thank you! (the crimson Owl jumps nervously and clumsily shuffles with its clawed paw)

And this is my French bread.

uhtyshka !!! everything is so beautiful "!!! my upper ten is definitely too warm!

Well vascheeeee! Some say that in Mulinex it turns out that the roof is too pale (and all the bread is pale), while others, on the contrary, it is too overcooked! I think that bread in Mulinex turns out to be wonderful!

Bunny, and you tried to change the color of the crust before starting the program, in my default - the darkest crust is set. And according to the photo - your bread and baguettes are simply delicious!

there is a small dark stripe on the side ... my default is medium crust ... I'll put a light one

uhtyshka !!! everything is so beautiful "!!! my upper ten is definitely too warm!

Bunny, I've just noticed this - "upper ten". It turns out that there are two of them in the 5004 model? And I have one, "like everyone else," below under the bucket. It's great if there are really two of them!

YES WE HAVE 2 UNDER THE BUCKET AND ON THE SIDES ABOVE ... MAYBE IT IS NOT SO GREAT!

This is very cool - the additional heating element provides a more even distribution of heat in the "room" of the bread machine.

Bunny, I seem to bake the top ten normally, I always put the middle crust in the bread and it turns out just as needed, only when I bake the baguettes, it turns out that the top ones are baked (crust) better, faster, I put on the last program - only baking for 40 minutes. So I take out the top baguettes and add another 10 minutes for the bottom ones, then everything turns out OK.

Owl, I thought that there are 2 tena in your stove, but it turns out that we are cooler

Owl, I thought that there are 2 tena in your stove, but it turns out that we are cooler

Yes, this is true, and it is for you all, owners of the 5004th model, to proudly carry the banner with the slogan you know about who / what is "Bentley" in the world of bread makers.

In fact, this fact made a very big impression on me. Constructors - great fellows, 2 heating elements - a simple and ingenious find

[Owl]

Owl we will be proud to carry the banner, and will not let us down (although with such a stove it is not so difficult)

Well, that's all, happiness was not long ... The stove broke
I baked one bread and that's it!

Yesterday I turned on making a bun - but it doesn't knead anymore ...
Electronics works, tena too, but does not knead the dough and that's it

In an Internet store, they rudely sent to the service center and hung up! I understand, maybe it is, but being rude and hanging up is too much.

I read articles on the internet ...

According to the new version of the consumer protection law - no compensation, only free warranty repair is possible. A refund can only be achieved when the buyer provides an expert commission's opinion that the product really has a significant flaw.
so .... need to go to the service center ....

It's a pity how ...Rather, run to the service, they sometimes do not want to repair, especially if the product is new, you look and can change it either for a new one or for another. Good luck.
I sympathize very much.

Well, that's all, happiness was not long ... The stove broke
I baked one bread and that's it!

Yesterday I turned on making a bun - but it doesn't knead anymore ...
Electronics works, tena too, but does not knead the dough and that's it

In an Internet store, they rudely sent to the service center and hung up! I understand, maybe it is, but being rude and hanging up is too much.

I read articles on the internet ...

According to the new version of the consumer protection law - no compensation, only free warranty repair is possible. A refund can only be achieved when the buyer provides an expert commission's opinion that the product really has a significant flaw.
so .... need to go to the service center ....

I sympathize, but ... without a stove it will already be uncomfortable, "so we need to go to the service center."

But negative experience is also useful - probably yesterday's failure is connected precisely with the substandard specimen. Good luck!

P.S. For the future - maybe it will come in handy - after all, I post photos of "the very same" yeast, which I myself have been using for six months.

... and another view of the bag from the back - they say there are a lot of fakes now

That's it, I handed over the stove to the service center .......

According to the law, must be repaired within 14 days

I hope they will be repaired before 14 days, otherwise it somehow became boring ...

Be strong! There was probably a marriage, or it might have been dropped ...

Thank you

Yes, there are many options, but most likely just a factory defect

The box is normal, no damage to the stove itself.

Let's see what they say and after how long ...

Do not sin on the Chinese, it depends on the company. In my Mulieshka, there was also a marriage from the beginning and no twisting of the screws helped her. Instead of bread, a piece of hot dough was obtained. I gave it to be repaired and waited for her from there for two months. After that, it became a wonderful oven, but I had already decided to change it to P255. What was the matter, they did not explain to me, but they changed some detail (factory defect). Now I have Panasonic and also assembled by the Chinese, but neither the build quality, nor the quality of work can compare with Mulka, despite the fact that she was also a smart girl.
And statistics on the site show that such troubles happen mostly to the Mulineshkas. True, out of 5000 only two are "lucky" so far. But here there are not without exceptions, most are satisfied.

Well, yes, maybe just poor control from Moulinex ...
Yes, Panasonic, Bosch, Siemens and many other things are also made in China, but the build quality is better in my opinion ...

Please explain if it is possible to use recipes from Panasonic 255 for Moulinex 5004. Especially the program for the test. very interesting recipes

Please explain if it is possible to use recipes from Panasonic 255 for Moulinex 5004. Especially the program for the test. very interesting recipes

the difference can only be when preparing steep dough (noodles, dumplings). Although your oven may also be able to knead. I just don't know the power. And the rest of the dough recipes can be used. Indeed, in this version of the HP, the type of a food processor is used (dough kneading function)

in Panasonic power 503-550v. and in mulk 630v. it seems.

In principle, I am sure that the quality of bread depends on three factors - the quality of the ingredients, the quantitative ratio between them and the accuracy of maintaining the temperature regime. Everything else is from the evil one. I also had a choice - either Delonge, or Panasonic 255, or Moulinex 5004. In Moscow, all these options are available, so the choice was real. Delongey brushed aside immediately, did not suit the size. Still stopped at the baguette Moulinex - Bunny, my former compatriot, respect! The reports of frequent breakdowns did not stop me either - it's as lucky as anyone.First of all, I liked the significant expansion of functionality thanks to baguette trays, two rather powerful dough mixers, as well as a two-level heating element, and design played an important role. At the same time I bought a resettable balance and a sieve mug. I buy flour anywhere and anyway, only if it says white, baking. Standard bread always turns out flawlessly - the main thing is to precisely maintain the ratio between flour and liquid. The baguettes also turned out about the same as those of the Bunny - I see no point in showing pictures. The reproducibility of my previous LG bread maker was much worse, the process turned out to be unacceptably creative. Apparently, two heating elements and more advanced electronics are of significant importance. In addition, higher power than others allows you to more accurately control the temperature regime without increasing the total power consumption. It didn't seem very rational to make the baguettes according to the program, since a lot of fuss and wasted time for the sake of 4 small buns. In my opinion, it is better to prepare the dough, and bake the buns on these baking sheets as needed in the baking mode. Disadvantages - a high level of noise during mixing, but if the door to the kitchen does not wake up. The transformer in the power supply unit sounds quite noticeably, but it reminds you of the need to pull out the cord. The bucket is difficult to remove - it rises by the handle along with the bread maker, it is better to first slightly pry it with a wooden spatula, otherwise you can inadvertently deform about the upper heating element. I do not like that the heavy cover is attached from the end - the lever is too large, it is better not to leave it hanging so as not to accidentally break the plastic axles. I would probably have made the walls of the bucket thicker, so that the color of the crust is more uniform. but this is snobbery - it does not affect the quality in any way. To summarize, this bread maker is suitable for baking bread no worse than any other, but better than others for preparing dough, as well as an operational mini-oven - small casseroles and muffins on baguette baking trays are obtained normally.

[NEOPHYTE]

Hello new NEOPHYTEb-baker
Congratulations on your successful purchase and delicious bread.

Please do not take it as a lesson, but let us not be so "impolite" about bread makers. Here people treat their stoves very tenderly, so someone may be unpleasant with such epithets about their HP.
In addition, one can argue that it has a more "divine" origin - a higher percentage of breakdowns or design

Good luck to you !!

Thank you, for that and a neophyte to learn, including behavior on the forum. Already corrected.

Neophyte, congratulations on your purchase.
You have very successfully prescribed all the advantages of our bread machine, I will just add that I have bread without scales (always only "by eye"), I think this is also an advantage of the oven ...

Neophyte quote:It didn't seem very rational to make the baguettes according to the program, since a lot of fuss and wasted time for the sake of 4 small buns. In my opinion, it is better to prepare the dough, and bake the buns on these baking sheets as needed in the baking mode.
Neophyte, I made baguettes in simple baking mode and they didn't work out. In baked goods, the shades are immediately heated and if the dough is not left for proofing for 30 minutes beforehand, you will get gingerbread.
In addition, this form of buns, real baguette, is just charismatic.

Andrey, my great sympathy. It's a pity with the stove. It's somehow really sad without her.

and I really liked making baguettes !!! Easy and simple ... I don't even roll it !!!

NEOFIT, OFF - and I have a sister in Moscow! What kind of wind blows you?

Neophyte, welcome aboard! I am glad that a new ally in bakery has appeared on the forum.

BARBARISKA
Young baker:
Neophyte, I made baguettes in simple baking mode and they didn't work out. In baked goods, the shades are immediately heated and if the dough is not left for proofing for 30 minutes beforehand, you will get gingerbread.
In addition, this form of buns, real baguette, is just charismatic.
I agree completely, especially about charisma and proofing, but in my opinion it would be much better if the programs for making baguette dough and their baking would be separated. Now, if you could take the dough prepared for future use and start the baguette baking program from scratch (43 min), excluding the dough preparation cycle, it would be absolutely great. And so from the moment the ceremony begins and the baguettes are received, at least 3.5 hours should pass. Proofing the finished dough, according to your own words, takes only 30 minutes. I have an accelerated mode of fermentation (proofing) of the dough in the Toshiba microwave oven, I have not tried it yet - it may be optimal.

NEOFIT, OFF - and I have a sister in Moscow! What kind of wind blows you?

In 96 he moved to Moscow for family reasons

Neophyte, it's clear ...
and yesterday I baked baguettes in the "Just baking" mode for 40 minutes. and before that they stood in the switched off oven for 30 minutes ... everything turned out great. I will post pictures of buckwheat-wheaten bvget in the subject Moulinex 5004

Neophyte, it's clear ...
and yesterday I baked baguettes in the "Just baking" mode for 40 minutes. and before that they stood in the switched off oven for 30 minutes ... everything turned out great. I will post pictures of buckwheat-wheaten bvget in the subject Moulinex 5004

Probably 40 minutes will be a bit too much, although perhaps you like a well-baked crust. As for the buckwheat-wheat baguettes, I would be grateful if you were told the ratio of the amounts of flour and whether it is necessary to add additional gluten, or is it enough in buckwheat flour?

I didn't add gluten (I don't have it). buckwheat flour lodged a third of the basic recipe, only 20 ml. poured more water ... that's all

Well, I'm back in business!

Brought a bread maker from the service center tonight, something was wrong with the mechanics, they took it apart

By the way, they said in the service center, when he took the stove, they had a few more Mulinex 5004s and were waiting for spare parts This is already alarming ...

Even bread is baked in the service center! In mine one was baked to test the work.

It remains to personally check the work myself ... I put 750 grams of ordinary white bread in the morning - let's see the result

Bunny, gluten is available in retail on Krasnoarmeyskaya, (m. Leo Tolstoy) at 16g.