mr.Flasher
Alesya, sorry, too lazy to figure out what is the same or not.
The recipe is simple:
Egg white bread.
Program 1.
500 gr.

1 egg
Water - 245 ml (with an egg!)
Vegetable oil - 1 tbsp. l.
Flour - 350 gr.
Salt - 1 tsp
Sugar - 2 tsp
Dry yeast - 1 tsp

Simple recipe number 2:
French bread.
Program 5.
750 gr.

Water - 310 ml.
Flour - 400 gr. + French flour of fine grinding - 50 gr.
(or plain bread flour - 450 gr.)
Salt - 1.5 tsp.
Sugar - 2 tsp
Dry yeast - 1.5 tsp

Most of the answers to your questions are on the forum. Read, search, study! Yes, you can replace milk powder with natural milk, etc. There is a corresponding topic ... Look!
This egg is simple. Don't like the egg? remove from the recipe, replacing with water ... And so on. The main thing is the consistency of the bun.
Alesya
Mr. Flasher, thanks of course, but I gave a link to these recipes above and wrote that there is egg in the book on the website)
And of course I will find the answers)
I just asked for help - give links, since I don't have so much time to sit on the forum to search ...
And by the way, I still found a simple recipe in the Instructions, I hope it is good - without errors ...
roman4all
Quote: Alesya

mr.Flasher

I have instructions in Russian, and stickers are also in Russian and Ukrainian! And there are only three books (yellow) (((((
but tell me whether the recipes coincide with those that I gave above in the book under the link?
and advise the simplest recipe.
Thank you)

The simplest recipe is still in the instructions. It's called SIMPLE WHITE BREAD Program number 1. (on my 12th page)
Here's a recipe book for you in Russian ... just in case
🔗
RybkA
mr.Flasher, Well, thank you! Although I don't need it yet, but still ... so for the general development, I want to note that in Delongy, baking 750 g of medium roastiness lasts 61 minutes, and Kenwood only 50 minutes... , 1 kg - 65 minutes and 55 minutes at Kenwood.
And you have not specified the temperature regime?

A couple more questions (sorry, but there is no time to read / search - small children do not give)))
1. Is it possible to replace dry milk with "live") or something else, for example - water, kefir, infant formula. And if so, how and with what and in what quantities?
2. Is it possible to take baked milk instead of regular milk?
Alesya, I will answer you the questions to which I know the answers ...
1. It is better to replace milk powder with flour or baby formula, and water with milk / kefir. In the appropriate amount specified in the recipes.
2. Yes. can be melted.
RybkA
Here's another link for you ... easier ... by the way, you can download many different instructions + recipes, respectively))) Your truth is in Ukrainian, but I think this is not a significant problem)))
🔗
mr.Flasher
Quote: RybkA

mr.Flasher, Well, thank you! Although I don't need it yet, but still ... so for the general development, I want to note that in Delongy, baking 750 g of medium roastiness lasts 61 minutes, and Kenwood only 50 minutes... , 1 kg - 65 minutes and 55 minutes at Kenwood.
And you have not specified the temperature regime?
You are welcome. No, the temperature is not listed.
Is there convection in delongues? One can simply assume that this difference of 11 minutes is compensated by convection. It is generally recommended to lower the temperature in convection ovens. Tobish with convection - hotter.
RybkA
Quote: Mr. Flasher

Is there convection in delongues? One can simply assume that this difference of 11 minutes is compensated by convection. It is generally recommended to lower the temperature in convection ovens. Tobish with convection - hotter.
There is no convection in Delongy, maybe your truth ... that with convection it is hotter, therefore it bakes faster.
Lady
Hello everyone.
Dear Alesya, I understand you well - I want at least something immediately. I will write my recipe, which I return to, no matter what else I do. Well, this is individual ...
Small loaf (do not mind throwing it away) -
300g flour
200 ml of water (including 1-2 tsp of vinegar, so as not to crumble)
1 tsp salt
1 tsp yeast.
Mode 5, small size, medium crust.
Then you can add anything to it within the framework of a dry to liquid ratio of 3 to 2.
Vanya28
Convection in Kenwood 450 solves the problem of the glass lid, so that the crust on top is normal and there is no need to improve the HP by gluing the window with additional foil.
From the sides and without convection, everything is fine, the metal of the bucket receives heat very quickly and distributes it quite evenly.
The difference in baking time of different CPs is very often due to a temperature difference of several degrees.
patrold
Lady

(including 1-2 tsp of vinegar so as not to crumble)

Ordinary vinegar, 9%?
patrold
About baking time

The timer in Kenwood floats with an accuracy of 2 minutes.
Lady
patrold,
any food vinegar. I use apple, grape, or balsamic.
Alesya
roman4all
thanks, I found it there)
and for the link ATP)

RybkA, that is, it is always better to replace water with milk?
ATP for the answers .. all links lead to the same recipe book, the link to which I gave in my first post)))

Lady, thank you very much for the recipe ... I already wrote it down for myself) .. I will definitely try) .. in the meantime, HP is working hard on the bread from the instructions (at the moment)

People., When I asked about recipes, I meant recipes not from a book (I found it in principle), but my own, proven, delicious))))
thanks everyone for the answers)
RybkA
Quote: Alesya

RybkA, that is, it is always better to replace water with milk?
Why is it better / worse? It's all a matter of taste. You asked about what you can replace powdered milk with. And I cited everything else as an example, as a choice.
I prefer not to engage in ad-libbing, especially at the stage of the first baking, but I want to know what should be in the original.
I like lean simple breads. Bread does not really change its taste from powdered milk, but from liquid milk, it becomes more like a pastry or something, especially if the recipes contain eggs ... well, or at least a loaf.
You try, bake, and over time you will understand what is more to your taste)))
Alesya
RybkA, well, in principle, everything is correct) .. with time I will understand how it is better and tastier. My first bread was baked, it looks beautiful, but it hasn't tasted yet (the paca is hot - it gets cold)
thank you again)
Lady
V. Pokhlebkin recommended using water at least partially in any baking.
roman4all
Quote: Alesya

... that is, it is always better to replace water with milk?

People., When I asked about recipes, I meant recipes not from a book (I found it in principle), but my own, proven, delicious))))
thanks everyone for the answers)
V. Pokhlebkin is a very wise man, you can't live without water!
I baked the first bread, replacing all the water with milk. I thought it would be tastier.
Set up a quick bake program.
As a result, I received a brick that was not baked on the inside, not rising and hard, burnt on the outside.

When you asked for recipes, you wanted a quick bread recipe and "not to read" ...
Alesya
roman4all, when I asked for recipes, I asked for simple wheat recipes and that the recipe was "proven" .. I really wanted everything to work out for the first time. I slowed down - I could not find a recipe for simple wheat bread here on the forum, but I did not look at the instructions) ... Well, in general, yesterday I baked wheat bread with my son for a couple, simple (which is from the instructions), it turned out to be beautiful and tasty, that is usual, but everything worked out - and got up, did not fall and baked. (I can upload a photo, I just need to figure it out) ... This morning there was no bread as well))))
And today I made an egg and instead of water - milk + water (50 ml) ... I did the same as yesterday - a loaf of 750 grams. So the bread has risen so that it has already rested on the dispenser !!!! ??? it turned out so tall .. Very similar to Easter cake, just not so rich ... Well, it turned out, too, delicious))
In general, I prepared well) .. I read a lot here - I did not sleep at night ....)))))
How much water should there be (at least) if you mix water and fresh milk? for example, so that together it was 300 ml .. What does Pokhlebkin recommend?

In general to the forum - thanks for a bunch of useful information, I am a fine fellow (a born hpercar)))), and Kenwood is just super !!!
)))
shl. naofftopila) ........

RybkA
Quote: Alesya

And today I made an egg and instead of water - milk + water (50 ml) ... I did the same as yesterday - a loaf of 750 grams. So the bread has risen so that it has already rested on the dispenser !!!! ??? it turned out so tall .. Very similar to Easter cake, just not so rich ... Well, it turned out, too, delicious))
Alesya, everything is correct eggs / milk, more sugar, and grease the roof with an egg / protein before baking and you will have a bun for tea!
tata777756
On Sunday, and I became the proud owner of this great car! Before that, I had been choosing for a long time on the sites which bread maker to take. But at the Electronic Fair I saw Kenwood BM450, I couldn't look at anything else. The first experiment was not successful. No rise and white top crust. Tell me how much flour fits in a measuring glass from x \ n Kenwood BM450. Thank you in advance. Take to your ranks! https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/forum/Smileys/sm/blush2.gif
ilarissa
Hello everyone!
I am tormented by the problem of choosing hp. I really like the design of Kenwood 450. However, there is one big BUT:
nobody will be confused by the "grayness"?
How to repair, if that?
Thank you
sazalexter
ilarissa Repair, if you have to, "wrestling" with the SC, rubbing pieces of paper, and referring to the international guarantee. True, this does not always work in Russia. So the choice is yours.
patrold
ilarissa

If you immediately think about repairs, it may be better to take KEN-256. It is simpler, there are no special electronic "lotions".
Vanya28
Quote: ilarissa

...
Love the design of the Kenwood 450.
...
How to repair, if that?
..
450 is good not only for design!

It is being repaired in Ukraine and Russia. Where are you from?
For example, even darker stoves work great and sometimes, quite rarely, the truth is broken and repaired at the same time.
Kenwood is a firm with a name that has been on the market for a long time. Its latest 450 model is firmly established in the first lines of the stove ratings.
How else to help?
Egecihora
Quote: tata777756

On Sunday, and I became the proud owner of this great car! Before that, I had been choosing for a long time on the sites which bread maker to take. But at the Electronic Fair I saw Kenwood BM450, I couldn't look at anything else. The first experiment was not successful. No rise and white top crust. Tell me how much flour fits in a measuring glass from x \ n Kenwood BM450. Thank you in advance. Take to your ranks! https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/forum/Smileys/sm/blush2.gif

Here on the forum there is a section "Baking Basics" - there are answers to all questions. Read it - you won't regret it, this infa helped me a lot, especially at the beginning.
In general, a kitchen scale is an irreplaceable thing.
Good luck
Egecihora
Quote: ilarissa

Hello everyone!
I am tormented by the problem of choosing hp. I really like the design of Kenwood 450. However, there is one big BUT:
nobody will be confused by the "grayness"?
How to repair, if that?
Thank you

My stove is now in the service center: the light bulb has burned out, we are waiting for it to be brought from Kiev. Accepted for warranty repairs without problems.
Elly
My light bulb burned out too. While I'm baking without her. Has anyone changed a light bulb in Moscow? How long does the bread maker keep in service when changing the light bulb?
Vanya28
It is not difficult to replace the light bulb yourself by purchasing it from the store and unscrewing a couple of screws. You don't have to carry the stove to the service center because of this.
This experience is described in the message above.
ilarissa
Sorry, I didn't write - I'm from Moscow

good not only for design!

Well, of course, I like not only the design ...

My stove is now in the service center: the light bulb has burned out, we are waiting for it to be brought from Kiev.

So I'm wondering if there was a specific experience of communicating with the service. centers in Moscow?

If you immediately think about repair

I am a reasonable person, so I think about repairs before buying

a firm with a name on the market for a long time. Its latest 450 model has firmly established itself at the top of the stove ratings.

So what? This, unfortunately, does not mean anything ... It was just a sad experience with the equally well-known Bosch company

Faster agree with
Repair, if you have to, "wrestling" with the SC, rubbing pieces of paper, and referring to the international guarantee. True, in Russia this does not always work

this is a terrible hassle and a lot of time and effort ...
so I would like to hear how this problem in Moscow is solved in practice from people who have this little pleasant experience
Vanya28
Well, you, and wrapped up!
If you really want to see everything from this angle, then call or go personally to the DeLongey office (Kenwood is their division) and decide everything there. Immediately and make the right decision.

It's not difficult in Moscow.
patrold
ilarissa

And since you visit the dealership, you might like their x / p BDM 125 S.
sazalexter
Vanya28 It’s hard in Moscow!
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=9843.0
Kenwood BM450 vs Panasonic 255
"Reply # 77: 19 August 2009, 18:59:08"
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=7965.0
"Reply # 6: 19 October 2009, 13:35:28"
ilarissa
Quote
Vanya28 It’s hard in Moscow!
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...=9843.0
Kenwood BM450 vs Panasonic 255
"Reply # 77: 19 August 2009, 18:59:08"
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...tion=com_smf&topic=7965.0
"Reply # 6: 19 October 2009, 13:35:28"

just about, I had a similar story with Bosch, my brains were powdered, time was dragged on, without outright refusing, then they said that you need to understand what you are buying ...

call or go personally to the DeLongey office (Kenwood is their division) and decide everything there

There is no connection on the Kenwood website, I called the supervisor in Moscow in Delongey, said that he could not answer right away, so that she could write to the mail. I wrote, I'm waiting for an answer, then I'll write
Vanya28
We know, we know, sazalexter!

Not everything is so literal.
In Moscow, there are no special problems with a guarantee and repair.
Desire is only needed.
Well, an inconvenience, but what to do about it, rarely, but it happens.
roman4all
Quote: ilarissa

Hello everyone!
... one big BUT:
nobody will be confused by the "grayness"?
How to repair, if that?
Thank you

What do you mean by "grayness"?
About repairs ... you ask how to do it yourself? Or did you not find information about where the Kenwood = Delongy kitchen appliances are repaired?
sazalexter
roman4all By "dullness" it is meant that these CPs are not yet officially supplied to Russia. 🔗
SC list 🔗
ilarissa

Quote:

What do you mean by "grayness"?
About repairs ... you ask how to do it yourself? Or did you not find information about where the Kenwood = Delongy kitchen appliances are repaired?

what sazalexter wrote, I mean by "gray"
Vadim 76
Dear forum users, please tell me how your oven behaves when mixing? Strongly sausage her?
Carolina7
Quote: Rina72

But what, in Kenwood, the dispenser always opens?
Remove it simply and that's all ... it's not built in there and doesn't matter if you don't use it
Carolina7
Quote: Vadim 76

Dear forum users, please tell me how your oven behaves when mixing? Strongly sausage her?
no, it is not "sausage" although of course there is sound but not annoying. For comparison, it works much quieter than the Mulinex meat grinder. the volume of the batch as when beating eggs at the mixer
ilarissa

Vadim 76
Yes, the sound is just not loud. It's just that when the stirrer the bun on the stove drives the table as much as the table bakes 0.5 kg.
Bri
It’s very plump, even when I make pure rye with sourdough.
Carolina7
Quote: Bri

It stands firmly for me, even when I make pure rye with sourdough.
and I'm plump. but the table is really shaking. I have a stove on the dining table. I suppose that if I stood on the desktop, I would not tremble (because it is heavier and more stable)
May @
Please tell me what programs does this bread machine have? I am interested in cake and cake, kneading yeast and non-yeast dough, and just pastries, dough for dumplings and rye bread. As far as I understand, the rye oven is problematic. Although I read before that rye can be baked on the main one, so what's the problem here? I read a lot of descriptions of this stove, but I did not understand about all its possibilities. Help, I'm one step away from buying !!!
mr.Flasher
There is a program "Keks", more precisely, it is called in this HP "Cake". ))
Kulich you can program, IMHO it's not a problem. The problem is that it will be square.
There are no problems with the dough either. And with baked goods too.
I will not say anything about the dough for dumplings. Have not tried. This is not stated by the manufacturer!
The problem with real rye is that it needs 1 long rise. Not one program can provide this.
patrold
May @
mr.Flasher


In Panas rye bread program for 6 hours.Accordingly, a long climb is planned. Regarding the Ken-450, I would like to remind you of its ability to manually select programs within reasonable limits.
May @
Tell me, can you bake a cupcake, cake and knead dumplings in this oven? What else can she do?
Bri
Programs
- Basic mode (white and dark bread)
- Quick baking of white bread (reduces cooking time by 25 minutes)
- Wholemeal bread (wallpaper flour)
- Quick bread made from wholemeal flour (wallpaper flour)
- French bread (crispy)
- Sweet bread (high in sugar)
- Fast baking (yeast-free dough, unleavened dough)
- Cake (bread and cake made from yeast-free dough. Cupcake.) - Gluten free
- Dough preparation (kneading and increasing the dough volume)
- Jam
- Pizza dough
- Baking (can also be used to dry baked and chilled bread)
- Super fast mode (58 minutes)
- Programmer for 5 favorite recipes

I just baked sweet bread according to a book, it turned out already like a store cake.
Sweet bread program 6
Brioche bun (use with light crust color) _
Loaf size 1kg 750 gr. 500 gr.
Ingredients
Milk 280 ml. 200 ml. 130 ml.
Eggs 2 2 1
Butter, 150 gr. 120 g 80 gr.
melted
Unbleached 600 gr. 500 gr. 350 gr.
white flour for
baking bread
Salt 11/2 tsp 11/2 tsp 1 tsp
Sugar 80 gr. 60 gr. 30 gr.
Dry yeast,
which are easy
mixed 21/2 tsp. 2 tsp 1 tsp
Bri
I bake rye with sourdough according to the program compiled by Vanya28 https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=9345.180

White bread and sourdough muffins (I basically left the yeast) I bake according to personally compiled
I bought the stove not so long ago, but since then I have not bought it in the store.

French onion is one of my daughter's favorites.

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