Washing machine: which one to buy

[Wit]

Wit, wow))) in the morning, and such a useful and complete answer))) thank you)) huge)))

Vit, what can I say, I have Siemens for 8 years - without a single breakdown, and my friend Daewoo has an air-bubble for 16 years, I know for sure because these machines were bought at the same time, we really only worked for 7 years, then the electronic board flew into we were denied repairs (the service for these machines evaporated, but the private master refused to come), but she, as an energizer, "works and works", but now she just started to fail and she also thought about replacing. But there is a problem - crappy pipes, the tie-in, if not completely impossible, is very difficult and rotten wiring. So it still depends a little on luck.

[repairs]

Wit, what can I say, I have Siemens for 8 years

Tell your friend let repairsas much as possible. These are the recommendations of service technicians. I read about this on the forum, the link of which was given above. Let the MASTER be sure to look. If he says that he needs to change, only then let him change. Usually, cars produced by this are recommended to be repaired until they stop. The current ones, if you don’t let them ... and don’t bring them ... will shut down, repairs cost half the cost of a new one. Business, of course, is the master's. 16 years is age, of course. And the machine is super! Siemens seems to be absorbed by Bosch, although the labels are still molded. And everything, pralna, depends a lot on luck. And the service vanished together with the Daewoo. She went bankrupt or something happened to her. Therefore, the master refused to come. I'm afraid that if the glitches are serious, they will also refuse.

Vit, her electronic unit went crazy ... He specifically shifted in the spin phase during rinsing - it stops and starts the whole program again. And so the machine is really good - it washes and rinses with a bang! We ditched our own while washing the blanket - after that she decidedly refused to wring out. And so they are now, by the way, sold and already heated.

and how exactly is the machine called? completely. Have you tried to reset the program and set only spin?

I have. I have an air bubble Daewoo. 10 years already. I don't know, but it seems to me that it washes badly. There is not much to compare with, before that there was a simple Soviet Belka. I think a big plus is a huge tank (although it is gaining water hoo) and the ability to wash like on a simple machine. I want (why only?) Buy a new one. I read you and I think we shouldn't.
From breakdowns: 8 neighbors were flooded once - the filter was knocked out. Then they firmly inserted it onto the polyurethane foam. And also the designations of the buttons were sent off. I press from memory, select programs. All.

the designations of the buttons have been sent off

And you can either have a photo of a panel with buttons or the full name of the machine.?

When the tablet was alive, I liked taking pictures and inserting photos. Now he left me untimely, but I don't know how to insert from the phone. I'll write the title tomorrow, because I'm at work.

Yes, I use Lyon, I mostly take the Blue Diamond or 'Top Home' (for drying clothes indoors).

I always take a blue diamond, I adore it

Lan. With buttons, it's fixable. And that washing has become worse ... so let's figure it out. A washing machine is a rotating bucket of water. "Tudy-syudy" at your washing machine is ok, in time, too, all the way - has not decreased. And do not check whether the powder, gel or these expensive babies. The fact that the box says "Percil" in our countries still does not say anything. I listened to thrillers on these forums, how powders are diluted with soda. And we kick the washing machines. Didn't you get a bag of "shares"? The reason may be powder. And then in the typewriter.It can turn sluggishly, slower. Then of course! Until then, don't panic. If I washed it for 10 years, then it will last 5 ... 7 years. Any repairman will tell you. Deprive her brains not ... mmm! You can't get them - the company is gone ...

Vit, new air-bubble Daewoo are on sale, there are even frontal ones, so maybe there will be service providers?

Of course there are!

Can I help the boy?
Direct drive is LG's signature feature. Most. No belt or brushes, so it's quieter. However, it is not that very quiet. It breaks as well as with a belt drive, that is, rarely. Motors break down much less often than electronic modules that control them (motors). And their repair is not cheap, but simple: he threw out the burned-out one, put a new one. The cost of the question is some thousands. Of course, the belts are torn and the brushes are on fire, but their replacement is rarely cheap. And a direct-drive washer is much more expensive than a belt one, and for the difference you can stock up on a pair of boxes of belts with brushes, which are very likely to stay unopened. But with electronics and bearings, washing machines have parity - they fly out the same way. Therefore, it is necessary to be interested in machines, the repair of which is relatively inexpensive and problem-free with the provision of parts. Alas, the bourgeoisie has such a policy: "3 years - and go to the landfill. Buy a new one,
Do not rush to Boshar and Siemens. The cars are good, but they are not asking for adequate loot. Do not rush to the drums with all sorts of "bubbles" and special holes. There is little sense from this garbage, and you will have to pay from above for it. It is worth paying attention to the energy consumption class, the spin class (not lower than C, B is enough). RPM during spinning: 1000 is enough for the eyes. But 1200 will already be more expensive, but not so necessary. I rarely squeeze 1000 - I regret the machine. But someone likes to take out the shirt from the drum, put it on and go to work. This is already 1400 and 1600 rpm. Do you need it? Squeezing out even at 600 rpm in the morning you shoot dry.

Unfortunately, the silence of the direct drive of LG machines is just another advertising gimmick. It is not true. Read the tests of independent experts. The last thing I read was the Rostest test. Out of 15 cars from different companies, LG in terms of noise level took the third place from the bottom, that is, practically the noisiest. This was confirmed by a friend of my wife, who bought LG just a week ago.
In addition, the direct drive with poor centering of the linen, unlike belt drives, does not provide shock absorption and gives strong vibration to the motor. This is a huge disadvantage.
As for the advice of the masters not to throw out old cars, they are a little cunning. With all the things that were done more reliably before, it is profitable for any repairman to repair the old typewriter than you buy a new one, and their profits will fall. The fact is that if the machine began to crumble in one place, after a while it will "crumble" in others, and this plays into the hands of the repairmen, rather than waiting for your new machine to fail in 5-15 years.
As for the belts, I recently disassembled an Indesit 17-year-old Italian assembly machine. That's it for the belt, no complaints - like new. And replacement brushes cost a penny.
I don't quite agree about the number of revolutions either. The question here is not whether you need 1400-1600 rpm, but the fact that any technique works longer when working at lower rpm. Safety factor of composite units. And if you buy a typewriter with a higher number of revolutions, then it will work longer than a low-speed one, since it will always work with a large margin. And you can wring out at least 600-800. A slightly higher price will pay off.

I don’t know, I don’t hear the LV at all, until he sings his song, whether I look in is always erased or not. I'm happy with the car. t. about. you can call everything an advertising move and honeycombs from Samsung, etc., all the new chips, everything will be advertising. Wash with Siberia - poured, squeezed, hung up.

There is a subjective opinion of people, but there are laboratories with special devices that measure noise and vibration during washing and spinning.
this is a completely objective opinion. It's like weighing the weight of a product with an electronic scale - 563 g or 642 g, for example. And with your "hand" you can be very wrong.

wow ...so many tips, merci)))
BUT, you have confused me now even more ((((I don’t know at all what to do ... and which washing machine to take ??

What do you like!
See the service - how is the support going, m-video, for example, with all the jambs during the warranty period, they themselves take away the equipment for repairs, see what the seller offers, how many service centers. If not at all, then ask if there are masters in your city who will repair your machine if something happens, and for the price.
For example, I really wanted ASKO - as servicemen say, it is an unkillable unit and washes well, but they fundamentally do not make narrow machines, since they consider them unreliable. Miles is also good, but I'm such a problem, and what is - at cosmic prices. So I chose Siemens with full aquastop and narrow (nothing else fits into the bathroom), 1200 rpm (I completely agree with igorechek - the manufacturer guarantees the operation of the unit in this mode, which means that operation at reduced speeds will extend the life of the unit - I wash it at 800 rpm). In general, what will fall on your soul - then grab it (for some reason, for some reason I don't like electric suites), and also - it would be nice if there was a soaking function (not preliminary washing, but soaking) - a thing!

What do you like!

aha .... I want Washing machine LG F80C3LD, but this company is something that everyone criticizes here (((I now don't even know ......
maybe someone understands typewriters ... advise what good I can buy for 3500 UAH.

[1 (ONE)]

then operation at reduced speeds will extend the service life of the unit - I wash it at 800 rpm).

Then ask the service technicians. Why are the turnovers stuck with reliability? They guarantee you anyway 1 (ONE) year! At least at 25,000,000 thousand. The engine is the same there! Only at 800 it turns more than 1200. That's all you need for an extra 3000 rubles. And even more. And it will crumble in 3 ... 5 years. And then you have to dump 15 thousand again. And repairing old ones will still be cheaper. Yes, even though "Siberia". Your siemens is also a rotating bucket of water ... with honeycomb holes. Don't complicate things.
juicy, do not panic. Go to the forum that I advised. There are sellers, repairmen, and owners. I sat there for half a year until I made my choice. And at first I was as confused as you are.
LG F80C3LD looked. Yes, no worse than others. In terms of noise, it is not very superior to belt ones. Energy class - super! The washing class is decent. That's just about the protection against voltage surges is silent. And this is very important. On that forum, you can directly ask about this and you will be answered (LV branch). And the revolutions are still not enough. Terry towels and bathrobes are best wrung out by 1000.
Good luck to you!

and more - it would be nice there was a soaking function (not pre-wash, but soaking) - a thing!

This is exactly a thing! My old Elektrolyuska has this program, but the new ones, for some reason, do not. I wonder why they removed it, because the really necessary program!

Vit, well, how can I tell you ... You are right with the warranty period, but it is not so simple here. When they give a guarantee of operation, this means that the reliability of the structure as a whole and of individual units allows the unit to be operated under these conditions, that a sufficient margin of safety was laid during the design, testing has confirmed this and the manufacturer can give such a guarantee. Accordingly, when operating not at the limit modes, the service life of the unit increases (after all, a year is at maximum). On the other hand, in this particular case, 800 rpm is the maximum that was declared by this particular manufacturer. We also take into account that, excuse me, but in most cases the same bed linen is cotton, I'm not talking about towels and bathrobes - and we get that exactly 800 rpm and use this car. We do not yet know how many children there are in this family and how often washing is required there. In a family friend of mine they wash every day and happen 2 times - a year has not passed the ski was ditched.
About the consultation on the profile thread - I warmly support.

[when designing]

Light, what is the safety margin? What units and assemblies? Housing? Yes! But the bodies are the same for machines with 800 and 1200 rpm. You can check how-thread. Electronics? It does not depend on the speed. Bearings? Maybe. They will deliver at a higher price. But not a fact - you need to find out. But, as you correctly noted "... the reliability of the structure as a whole and of individual units allows the operation of this unit under the given conditions that when designing a sufficient margin of safety was laid, testing confirmed this ... " for both 800 and 1200 revolutions. It should be borne in mind, such a moment (check when washing): when spinning at 800 rpm, the drum spins, say (I didn’t measure it) for 12 seconds, and at 1200 rpm - only 6 seconds. Then the speed drops, passing the 800 rpm mode. If you press 1000, it will rotate for 8 seconds. And as a result, both the one and the other die at the estimated, more precisely, calculated by the bourgeoisie, the time. Three to four years. But I have not recommended 800-rpm cars anywhere. I said that I start my OWN when spinning at 800 rpm. I'm sorry. It is better to squeeze the duvet cover by 1000. But 800 is also normal - by the morning the linen is dry.
"... We do not yet know how many children there are in this family and how often washing is required there. ..." - I completely agree that this is one of the most important factors of reliability. I would add to this a careful attitude towards her.

And where does the case? I'm talking about the drive and what else is inside (well, I'm not a mechanic) As far as I know, such units are calculated for the load, they look under what conditions destruction begins, and the same level of vibration (from this point of view, the case should also be calculated). And, to be honest, I somehow doubt that machines that have a declared spin at 1600 rpm have the same insides as at 800. It is from this point of view that it is recommended to take machines with a high spin - the resource is longer. Well, electronics .. this is ...
The case and the tank are still here that's why you need to look. If all this is metal, then the machine is heavy and stands quietly, although if you need to rearrange it, you will move the figs. If it's plastic, then it jumps like a goat (but you can also carry it yourself - for example, I dragged a Daewoo to clean the filter in the back).

And, to be honest, I somehow doubt that machines that have a declared spin at 1600 rpm have the same insides as at 800.

1600 is cool! Essesno, and building d. B. thicker. and the counterweights are heavier, and the bearings ...

resource more

We open the passports of both and look at the resource. Can you guess which one three times? Pralna! THE SAME !!!. And by overpaying for 1600 thousand 8 and pressing by 8oo, the resource of the electronics (most often crashes and costs oh-oh!) You will not increase. It will die regardless of the speed at the calculated "when designing"term.

Vit, do you really not understand or are you kidding?
The manufacturer guarantees that the machine will work for this period, correctly for a year, BUT! in the first case, this is at 1600 spinning at EVERYONE! wash, in the second at 800. It is not necessary to be a genius of mechanics not to understand that respect for technology saves a resource and prolongs its service life. In the second case, I do not even know how to save it - that is, I will have to squeeze out all the time at the maximum, well, unless it is delicate things that you don't need to squeeze at all and something like tulle. We omit force majeure, since a failure in the supply of electricity, skew-handed electricians at this very moment who decided to fix something and a banal marriage, we cannot avoid in any way.
If we choose for a long time, then we must look for something as reliable as possible, including paying attention to the declared functions.
In this case, you need to fit into a minimum of funds, Korean cars, I personally, I think in this case a normal choice, only spinning would look more and look for soaking, it would still be nice to have a quick wash.

Vitaly, you are wrong. Let's take a look at the points.
Any car gives more speed by increasing power. Any motor, I repeat ANY one, works much longer under reduced load.It's like an athlete with good health will run the NESPESHA marathon and will be fresh at the finish line, and the "dead man" at his maximum speed will die in a kilometer. A long time ago, when choosing a hood, an experienced craftsman advised me to take a hood that is more powerful and even if it works at a lower speed, it will last much longer. Reducing the power by 2 times compared to the maximum can give a resource FOUR times more. Here's the point - a 1600 rpm machine running at 800 will run about 4 times as long as an 800 rpm machine running at maximum.
The insides of the machine are designed to work at maximum mode. NEVER will the manufacturer put on a machine with 800 rpm. the same stuffing as on 1600. He's crazy to put more expensive stuffing on a less powerful device. Both the belt and the tank, etc. are designed for high rpm. The same tank is made more durable for the 1600, so that it does not fly apart from centrifugal force or objects that fall inside. What do you think will last longer - the insides designed for a higher load or less?
The same vibration is less for high-speed and more load-bearing kg, at least due to a larger counterweight.
Equipment designed for a high load is initially more reliable and will last much longer with a lower load. The difference in a couple of thousand will pay off in the operating time.
The Germans, who are excellent at counting money, have long understood that after 4-5 years it is inappropriate to use a car due to high repair costs and change it to a new one. Only we, due to our inability to count money and poverty, are ready to invest a LITTLE, but a LOT of money for the systematic repair of cars. Once again, I repeat, it is FAVORABLE for repairmen to convince you to spend money on periodic and systemic repairs of your machine, instead of waiting for your new one to break down. It is not true that all cars break down in 3-4 years. On the forums, mostly offended people write who are not lucky. Several years ago I got into the European data on breakdowns of washing machines. Statistics are kept there - I assure you that the operating time for repairs is very decent. If I find old records, I'll let you know. So Millet and your unloved Siemens are the leaders in reliability.
About the guarantee, we did not notice a strange fact. Almost all Leading manufacturers give a guarantee for exactly 1 year, and Chinese firms for 2-3 ... That would at least somehow interest.

[ninon]

If we choose for a long time, then we must look for something as reliable as possible, including paying attention to the declared functions.

No, I'm almost not kidding. I just want to convey to a potential buyer as painlessly as possible that there are no such machines as in the quote from you NOW !!!!!! You wouldn't recommend Anya Milka weighing 90 ... 100 kg and costing 100 thousand. There is a cheaper one for 40 thousand. It's very easy to type this washing machine in the market and read the reviews. And there they yell that the milka is not the same as 13 years ago. And again, how lucky. One "lucky" under warranty repaired it 3 times. But I think it's rare. The machine is in fact more reliable than the rest. But there are also enough disenchanted. The price is ... well. I already stop arguing, because I can't convincingly explain to Anya, there are no such machines in nature that would work for 3500 for 15 years and did not break, washed with a bang, wrung out to be stunned. On the profile forum, do not put the question like that: "I want one so that ... advise!" Choose according to your liking and on this model brand and ask for an opinion. Then sellers, repairmen and owners will answer. By the way, there under the nickname ninon exactly a specialist and a fan of LV. The aunt is literate.
And I agree, a quick wash is a lot!
Igoryochek, no offense, but I will not answer you in detail. I can only say that basically I agree with you with a few reservations. The manufacturer may well supply the same "filling" for both. Then there will be no need to fence separately the equipment, which is oh, how expensive it is to manufacture. Therefore, then it will work out. I do not approve. With an example of a car - I agree. You forgot to include the "brains" of the machine in the "filling".And they fly the same, at any speed. And more often! And for some reason it takes a long, long time to wait. Reviews that buyers, that paid "experts" are about the same. Therefore, do not look for records, I have seen these too. On that forum, it is better to get a confirmation from the repairman under the nickname Shribikus_Ya.
I am neutral to Siemens, as well as to Bosch - I don't care about them. Quite normal cars. And again - how lucky. Let's not continue the dispute, because by joint efforts I hope we were able to convince Anna that there is no ready-made recipe. After all, the first thing she asked was: "Is it true that you have to buy only with direct drive. "I think we convinced her that NO, WRONG! The world of washing machines is much more diverse and interesting. On this optimistic note, and

It is not true that all cars break down in 3-4 years.

To catch up. As a rule, alas. I don’t mean that everything. And don't argue, pzhalsta. And on the forums there are plenty of enthusiastic idiots.

Vit, who is talking about Mili?
As far as I understand, there is a budget of 10-11 thousand, translated into ours. Summarizing all of the above, juicy, if you are going to the proposed forum, before that, once again run through the shops or climb in online stores where there is delivery to you (sane for the price, of course), write down the numbers of all models that you like, look at the reviews on them again on the internet, and only then on the forum lay out the resulting list with the question "what to look for?", there will be much more sense. From what I would look, I don’t know what is in highly budget models
- spinning 1000-1200 rpm
- washing class A and higher
- quick wash mode
- soaking mode

There is also a night mode and a child lock.

In general, according to your taste and color. And most importantly, I understand that you don't want to run, but still think a little more before buying, climb the forums and reviews, because I myself know speeches like "direct drive", "molecular silvering" act just deadly and the brains are turned off. Hold on!

[overvoltage protection]

Ready-to-use instructions for finding a washing machine! Everything is not just right, it is directly necessary for application. I'll add a little:
- almost everyone has a child lock. necessary thing.
- the night mode is very convenient, it works quieter and the pump does not so much.
- start delay for 12 or 24 hours. it is more profitable to wash at night.
- overvoltage protection... I think it is an extremely necessary function. Some models do not have it. Aaa, I also gave an example by reference - from some kind of Bosch.
- but the soaking mode is, of course, a good thing - no doubt about it. But you can do without it. This I mean, if it is not in the model you like, then it is not necessary.
- there is also an "eco" function - the intensity of washing decreases, the consumption of electricity decreases. energy and washing time. Well, I don't know! I have all the time strive to poke this button. And still I poke
Everything that we have listed with Sveta is in budget models.
I tried to find a very clear list of functions offhand and found direct instructions. But it is loaded every other time. If it does not load, then you need to click "Update". 🔗С1210.pdf
Good luck, Anya!

Here are just some of my notes. European operation data for the machines produced for them.
Number of washing machines without drying (in% of sales) that have not been repaired after SIX years of operation:
- miele - 89%
- siemens, bosch - 87%
- AEG, candy, zanussi - 84%
-electrolux - 80%
- whirlpool - 73%
- indesite - 70%
- ariston - 62%
So, the myth that new washing machines almost necessarily break down after 3-4 years is the myth of REPAIRERS who profit from the repair of old cars. They benefit from regular customers of OLD cars, who, little by little, systematically hand them over for repair.
There is only one BUT - we are now producing most of the cars for us, you will not find statistics on them, but I think it will be worse. I am sure that it is better to take a Chinese production than ours. And there is nothing to blame that they look at us as negligent workers, if this is the case.

And you can either have a photo of a panel with buttons or the full name of the machine.?

Vit, less than half a year has passed, and I'm with my answer. Model DWF-753MP. Manufacturing plant "Rodina", Ussuriysk. April 2001 Service life from the plant is 7 years. I have 11 years.

[Igoryochek]

I'm sure it's better to take a Chinese production,

Manufacturing plant "Rodina", Ussuriysk. April 2001 Service life from the plant is 7 years. I have 11 years.

Igoryochek, - this is for you.

Ira, I will answer later

Vitaly, you are an adult, but your reasoning is strange. how you can draw conclusions about the quality of technology based on the story of ONE person.
I can tell you about alcoholic smokers who have lived for over 80 years. So what ? Who will be healthier?
This is a matter of chance. Only here, for some reason, German technology is more lucky ...

wow, so much info ... guys, ATP is huge) and do not swear, I ask you)
it's great that people give informative answers so easily and quickly)))) thank you)

to be honest .... I have not yet decided on the model .... for my sum it is either indesit or LG two models ...

[juicy]

either indesit or LG

juicy, I do not want to say anything, but ..., walking through that forum, I read there and this: "In general, lucky the one who bought the Indesit 2000 release! ..." Take another walk on the branch where all the cars are discussing and ask around about indesite. Just select a specific model in advance (as you chose the LV). The fact is that indesite, except as "indezhut", was not called. I was not interested in her, but I remember that in Lipetsk, Italian components for the electronic unit are being replaced with cheaper Chinese ones. And then the problems begin. Ask around. And go to the forum "Refrigerator. Ru" They also sell washing machines, but then there was also a representative of Indesit washing machines. Probably it would be interesting to talk to him. Maybe now this machine has changed.
Good luck to you!

Buy this one and always wear white ...

[Pakat]

Pakat, aha, the washer for blouses is cool! + for dresses, + for trousers ... what else do we need to wash?

For trousers and dresses, there is also enough room ...

who are interested in taking 3 months ago a new candy aqua 80f machine (a manuska machine) Erases just fine, tried all the programs, I'm happy like an elephant))), we are 2 people, it's convenient for us) of the disadvantages - a loud pump - when it drains water, weak spinning
No one knows. what to do with spinning? otherwise you have to set one more spin run

They brought my new assistant AEG L57126SL on Saturday. Beautiful!
Renovation of the new bathroom is moving towards completion As soon as we install-connect-wash, I will unsubscribe immediately.
The drum, in comparison with the old lady Ardo, seems to be huge.

Hands do not reach the forum in any way.
The machine is excellent, it washes - wring out everything with a bang! Once our tension dropped and she paused, then reached as usual.
Also, due to the fact that we have our own well in a private house and there are filters, the water is very soft, additional rinsing is forced on.

My Ski is already 12 years old, tired of the infection ... and it works
In general, I want to pick up a replacement for her already, I stopped at Candy GO4 1274 LH so I liked her
Girls and boys, can anyone have it, or friends, how does it work?

My Ski is already 12 years old, tired of the infection ... and it works
In general, I want to pick up a replacement for her already, I stopped at Candy GO4 1274 LH so I liked her
Girls and boys, can someone have it, or friends, how does it work?

My parents have Kandy, some tiny one, I won't tell you a model. Has been working for over 10 years. In addition to the load of 3.5 kg, mom has no complaints about her.

My Ski is already 12 years old, tired of the infection ... and it works
In general, I want to pick up a replacement for her already, I stopped at Candy GO4 1274 LH so I liked her
Girls and boys, can someone have it, or friends, how does it work?

and I, on the contrary, Recommended skiing, I like it. the third year she went

[250 grams of citric acid (this is the indicated weight of the contents of the can, the dependence on the volume of the machine's load is not indicated, but just in case I will write - I have 6 kg).Washing program 95 degrees, no laundry, no prewash, run the whole cycleIf the limescale is strong, repeatPerform the procedure 1-3 times a year, depending on the hardness of the water (I can 10, as far as I understand from my water.)))]

I don't remember where we discussed cleaning washing machines, if you know - poke me, I'll copy there again.

Bought a CM (washing machine) cleaner from Miele. My car is expensive for Mile, I never cleaned it (shame on me, yeah), I decided to buy a product. To begin with, I bought a brand name, so as not to ruin so much money with "folk remedies". So, the conclusion: I will not buy it anymore and I do not advise you. The recipe is simple: citric acid.I read the whole jar up and down. The composition contains only citric acid (I ordered it through the Internet, so there was no way to turn it in my hands before buying). Therefore, I am writing advice on cleaning the washing machine not from someone, not from Uncle Petit's neighbor, but from the leading manufacturer of washing machines (including laundry equipment, by the way) - the Miele company.

250 grams of citric acid (this is the indicated weight of the contents of the can, the dependence on the volume of the machine's load is not indicated, but just in case I will write - I have 6 kg).
Washing program 95 degrees, no laundry, no prewash, run the whole cycle
If the limescale is strong, repeat
Perform the procedure 1-3 times a year, depending on the hardness of the water (I can 10, as far as I understand from my water.)))

All.
PS: in opposition I can say that I buy their PMM care product. Because it contains some nonionic surfactants, additives for sealing gums (in the sense, to maintain their elasticity and tightness). I myself won't nabadyazh, so every six months I spread 400re on this garbage. But with SM everything turned out to be simpler - lemon.

By the way, when cleaning the SM, the water in it during the wash cycle with lemon was terribly ... dirty !! Right here, dirty, dirty, as after washing neglected floors. The lemon eats away not only lime, but also the centuries-old greasy dirt that has settled somewhere in the tank.

But I have such a question, I have a self-cleaning program, if you pour the lemon and drive it out?

[Scarecrow]

Scarecrow, Natasha, let's take a closer look at how much citric acid they recommend pouring. Shaw all 250 grams? drive one cycle?
Once again, I read your message, it turns out 250 grams of lemon on a 6kg loading machine, one full cycle at high temperature? So?

[Request to the moderators! - Could it be that Chuchelka's post could be pinned down somehow from above or fixed somehow? Well, a really useful thing, even more so in a real comparison with an expensive tool.]

There was once such a site - a quality forum, where there was a very good subforum on washing machines. So it was there that I read - Kalgon in the furnace! - completely ruins the washing machine (the service workers wrote), the best care is the lemon - a bag for the washing machine and cotton mode. Moreover, they wrote that earlier this very recommendation was in the instructions for the electrolux typewriters, then it was quickly removed ... I wonder why?

Mowgli, do you have a description of how this program works? It's just that in this case we have the simplest boiling and thorough rinsing, but what will happen in your case?

Request to the moderators! - Could it be that Chuchelka's post could be pinned down somehow from above or fixed somehow? Well, a really useful thing, even more so in a real comparison with an expensive tool.

What about vinegar? I poured 100 grams of apple and my car smelled like a horse at the beginning of spring field work

I bought calgonite, so my car refused to work until I poured vinegar, well, there was no lemon