Bijou
Ol, so the most popular model is about this Italian Elktrolux (it seems to also exist under AEG). Bosch is the second, but he is Chinese, not everyone likes it.) If I really need to, I will look in old Temko about him (and about Lux, if I get caught). Frankly, I never delved into these hybrids, it was just postponed that Lux is more willing to take, but why? * scratches in the back of the head *
But, probably, this is later in the evening - you need to work in the garden, or something.)
Olga VB
I found out about AEG at the dealership, they said that they finally don't have any of them, which is strange: I'm used to them walking in pairs, clones.
Helen, thank you, I'll wait until evening. Chur, I'm second in line after the garden.
Bijou
Olga VB, I have opened many links to topics - legion.
Now I think how to lay them all out to you in a bunch and not repeat too much. Quotes just can't - and the sheet will work, and I have no strength for it.
But only at the end the same conclusion awaits you, which I voiced above.

Okay, I went to collect this case in a pile.
Olga VB
Helen, you hide this heap under the spoiler and nobody but me password ne gavara
You can immediately weed out, if it is more convenient for you, energy class, spinning and washing below A.
I’m already twitching, so impatient to see your list as soon as possible: I almost did not find anything.
Bijou
Olga VB, done, go look at it. Good luck.


Added Thursday, 09 Jun 2016, 01:08

Quote: Olga VB
You can immediately weed out, if it is more convenient for you, energy class, spinning and washing below A.
Well, I do not. I don’t give out ready-made meals. Conclusions - sama-sama-sama!))) You should understand what you are doing. It's just 70 against 30 that you still come to this (or built-in) Lux.
Umka
Quote: Olga VB
looking forward to seeing your list
Bijou, Lena, and can you send me this list too ???
Bijou
Umka19, said. Only this is not a list, alas. These are just discussions.
Here Olenka STE will study the case and give us a resume. For I myself am in such machines not in the tooth with a foot.
Umka
Quote: Bijou
Here Olenka STE will study the case and give us a resume
Let's wait ....
Olga VB
Quote: Bijou
Olga VB, done, go get it.
Lenk, where did you send me? Until I see it point blank
Umka
Quote: Bijou
Here Olenka STE will study the case and give us a resume

Quote: Olga VB
Lenk, where did you send me?
Quote: Umka19

Let's wait ....
Taia
And my dream is to buy a big washing machine, 8 kilograms.
To wash blankets, pillows in it. And so that there was a half load mode in it ...
But the layout of the bathroom is such that no washing machine can fit at all, although the apartment is not in an old house.
Only dreaming remains.
Bijou
Olga VB, Duc did you ask them, what did you get that answer, what did you quote above?)) From Ninon, probably?
There I dashed off for you in detail. Links right there seem to be discouraged.


Added Thursday, 09 Jun 2016 02:18

Quote: Taia
And my dream is to buy a big washing machine, 8 kilograms.
To wash blankets, pillows in it. And so that there was a half load mode in it ...
And now there is no half load.) Now all machines are smart, water is dosed depending on the amount of laundry to absorb. Therefore, you can wash the blanket, or you can wash a pair of socks.

By the way, 8 kilos is not so much at all, I have one "blanket" that fits in there exclusively "from my feet" and requires manual refilling of a couple of buckets of water. ((
Taia
Here's how it turns out! Dont know.
Bijou
Taia, yes there is simply everything.) Behind (or on the side?) of the tank there is such a device, the pressure switch is called. It is a tube with air and membrane.Water poured into an empty tank, as soon as it reached a certain level prescribed in the program, squeezed out the air in the pressure switch, the set turned off. We threw in a thing that absorbs well, it sucked in water, the puddle dried up, the water in the tube dropped, the pressure dropped, and water began to collect again. And so on until everything is balanced.
OlgaGera
Quote: Taia
And my dream is to buy a big washing machine, 8 kilograms
Americans May Tag or GE. Loading from 0.5 kg to 11 kg. Cold and hot water connection.
Elena Tim
Quote: Olga VB

Lenka, you finally have there is a conscience?
Soooves? Eats!
But she didn't see your message either.
Teeek-s ... what is it necessary there, falling down? ...
Quote: Olga VB
Timchik, measure, pzhlsta, your beauty from the wall to the hatch ledge, that is, lope she needs living space from the wall to the door, if she wants to cover her in front from immodest gaze?
Yeah, yeah ... Significantly like this: the maximum depth of the car is 55.5 cm, I already remember the floor.
I'll measure the rest ...
I have sciatica, by the way! (this is Schaub my work seemed more significant)

So, to summarize: 55.5 centimeters, in principle, can be shoved into the closet, but this is provided that it will have to be placed almost right next to the wall (well, let's take 1 cm for vibration, from sin, taxis). So, in this case, the drain and inlet hoses should approach the car from the side, and not like mine - the entrance and exit are located exactly behind the car. The fact is that all this was done based on the design of my old car, and the new one is different. So, in order to put it close to the wall, the inlet hose must enter the wall at least 74 cm from the floor, otherwise it will simply rest against the back of the car and still will not let it against the wall (in this case, the drain hose does not really interfere). I wrote this not so much for you, Olk (since you are planning to park the car in the kitchen and your hoses will go to the side, from the sink), as for those who are going to put the car in the bathroom someday, and she, just like me, it will stand far from everything, and separate communications will need to be carried out to it. So, keep this height in mind, then the inlet hose will fit right under the cover of the machine and will not interfere with its striving to the wall.
Okay, we've figured it out with that. But if it ended there ...
Now to you, Olk! Suppose, with grief in half, having dealt with the hoses, if they were not okay, the car was stuck straight to the wall - like, Hurray! But what about the half-open hatch? He will eat at least another two centimeters, or even three. You can't keep it closed all the time, nuuu ... mold, wear of the seal and all that, well, you know. And what happens? The depth of a standard tabletop is 60 cm, is it pralny? Pralna! But I, Olk, have never seen headsets in which cabinet doors are flush with the table top. They, as a rule, are recessed two centimeters deep. Plus the thickness of the door itself - two more, the total depth of the cabinet itself is not 60, but only 56 cm.And we have already moved our 55.5 from the wall by 1 cm.That is, it no longer fits!
God bless him ... let us assume the impossible and dream that Timkina has counted everything wrong, and we still shoved the non-crammed machine into the closet with all the conveniences, the question arises - is it possible to close the machine with a drying machine in the closet, intended for separate standing ? Will she have enough air, does such a small space threaten her with overheating during drying?
Okay, figs with him, let's say we changed our minds and decided - pus "breathes" and flaunts its pretty face in front of all curious people, and just stands under the tabletop, uncovered in the closet (otherwise, as deprived, by God!) But! The lid of the car itself has a maximum depth of 50.5 cm (it is made like an arc - if you look at it from the front and from above). That is, the sides are already in the middle (they are 49 cm). And what happens: if the car is pushed into the depths, so that it is flush with the table top, then the cuvette will simply be inaccessible, since it opens as much as possible only 60 cm from the rear wall of the machine, and I measured this, not counting the cuvette lid, namely the extreme the wall of the trays themselves, that is, the inner part.So here is the span.
Think again and assume that we have pushed the car forward so that the lid is flush with the table top. Yes, now the cuvette is available, but the belly of the car, since it is intended for separate coloring, and therefore is very prominent, will stick out from the tabletop by 5 cm + the hatch door ajar ... in total, in the best case, it will stick out from you by a good 7 centimeters, or even eight. If it doesn't scare you, please, but if you don't need it, then you need a car with a flatter face. Mongolian, for example.

Fuy, I seem to have written everything ... But if anything, ask, because after rereading what I wrote, I didn't understand.
Yes, and also, before buying a car, be sure to study all the programs it has to the mulemeter and compare it with your washing machine. Otherwise, both pleasant and unpleasant surprises can await you.
Better ask if that. Those are no strangers to getting decent people ...
For you, only in this one topic, two Lenki are already plowing, tirelessly with sciatica.

kil
Quote: Olga VB

Well, at the technical forum, girls like us live, not only techies.
In addition, all living people, which means they have the right to be unaware of any new products or the entire volume of goods on the market.
So I'm interested in the opinion of real users, if any.
Ol my built-in Bosch with drying works ... attention TA-DAM ... since 1996 !!! I can't imagine how I would be without drying. In addition to terry towels, there are also jackets, down jackets and the rest, which are all my friends instead of chemical ones. cleaning was carried to my wash.
Elena Tim
kil,
Listen, mother, is it built in thee?
Choyt, I don’t remember what I saw at the washing machine at all, somehow you built it in like a spy.
kil
Elena TimLenka has been in the apartment for the last 5 years and is still alive, but with her last breath. And at the dacha there is a washing machine in the bath, not built-in next to the bathroom, simple Boshik.
Elena Tim
Ahhh! Clear.
And what about here? Well, I mean, at home. I didn’t see her either ... in the bathhouse, tunnels, de jacuzza worth it?


Added on Friday 10 Jun 2016 2:04 PM

Oh, you already answered that!
Jouravl
I also cannot imagine a washing machine without drying in an apartment. There was an Electrolux with a dryer, worked for 17 years, gave it to a friend at the dacha, still would have worked if it had not flooded her basement in the spring. I bought an Electrolux at the dacha without drying, but with a large tank, these are now enlarged tanks, but ten years ago there were no, although the speed is 1400, and it dries faster outside the city. but drying is not enough !!!! If it breaks, then only with drying
In Moscow, I use drying very often, Irina correctly wrote in addition to towels (they are super after drying), there are also blankets and pillows and jackets. and if you are still a small child, then this is just a necessity!
When you are not using a tumble dryer, you just have no idea how convenient it is. And cold blowers to refresh things are also great!
Lena, the car is very good! Well done!
My children bought an AEG with a dryer, and it broke down the next month after the guarantee, they waited for a part for three months, I had a bath and laundry plant. The main rule for all cars, you need to rest for half an hour, after the end of the program, and they drove without rest, so something burned out. I also began to observe this rule, I really love my mile!
Olga VB
Devushki, you, pzhalsta, do not confuse "that" quality with nunes!
I also have an old woman who has been plowing for more than 15 years and is still alive.
Now everything is done with a gaaaaaarr margin of safety.
However, anyway, many thanks to everyone who responded
Yessesna, acre of Lenka Tim. Because, the infection, it’s dead!
You yourself understood what you wrote? There, no half a liter is enough to figure it out!
You what asked politely? Measure it! From A to B and from C to D. Where was the question about philosophy and other perversions?
So, I love you once I ask carefully!
At the same time, I hint that the CM will stand in my bathroom, I will make the size of the box under it what I want, including the depth and height of the countertop, eyeliner and layering are all from the side (on the right, if you look at her face), so no do not add extra centimeters to me, but give me bare measurements.
Otherwise, I'll come to measure your machineWashing machine: which one to buy
Did you get down? That's the same!
So I'm all waiting again for you to mend
Elena Tim
Fuck! What is genocide ?!
I gave all the dimensions, "what else do you need, dog? Well, get married, little girl ...."
I can't give you my measurements, my car is far from the wall, haven't you read nifiga ?!
If I give my measurements, your closet will be much larger than you need. And I named those naked dimensions, e-mine - 555 !!!
Well, since you didn’t deign to read my super important treatise at least diagonally, I’ll add that under your tabletop you will not see a typewriter if you put it so that you close the cabinet. Well, maybe you will see, but only sit down and squat.
I'll erase my post ...

Quote: Jouravl
Lena! Well done! Not like Olka!
Thank you, Nadyush!
Wit
I'm lazy! And let him come. You gave the dimensions straight to USE (I read everything). In vain it will ride, but they will bring you gifts. But what about a visit, and isho with measurements - but without gifts ?! You gophers, Timon. Have you forgotten anyone? Well, and you really be so, be generous for a cup of tea: gifts are not measured to bring!
Olga VB
Quote: Elena Tim
And I called those naked dimensions, e-mine - 555 !!!
I understood this at the very least. Neary!
I did not understand what the height of the countertop is needed so that you can calmly use the tray and the board under it. That is, if you raise the tabletop higher (by how much?), Will you have to fall on your knees in front of it, or will everything be comfortable anyway?

Elena Tim
Quote: Wit
I'm lazy! And let him come. You gave the dimensions straight to USE (I read everything). In vain it will ride, but they will bring you gifts. But what about a visit, and isho with measurements - but without gifts ?! You gophers, Timon. Have you forgotten anyone? Well, and you really be so, be generous for a cup of tea: gifts are not measured to bring!
Boo-ha-ha! Damn, I almost choked on tea, trying to blow the last one, Olka didn't get the shob ... Cough-cough-cough ...
Vit, my golden one, thanks!
You can see right away, a good man! And I read everything, and, albeit with difficulty, I still figured out my gibberish, not that some harmful radishes! I can say that I almost built furniture for her with a built-in washing machine, and she doesn’t know me and redo iprochet!
Quote: Olga VB
I did not understand what the height of the countertop is needed so that you can calmly use the tray and the board under it. That is, if you raise the tabletop higher (by how much?), Will you have to fall on your knees in front of it, or will everything be comfortable anyway?
Fuck!
SchA, abashdi, you have to find some kind of board, you could visually imagine Schaub ...
Ooooh, my grave sins ...



Added on Friday 10 Jun 2016 7:06 pm

Olk, well, I just figured it out, it turns out that the tabletop, above the car recessed under it, should rise no less than 10 cm. Otherwise, you just get worn out with the cuvette. Considering that the height of the car is 85 cm, I would make a cabinet a meter high, so for sure.

Quote: Olga VB
Will you have to fall on your knees in front of her, or will everything be comfortable?
Having sunk the car so deep, you will have to bend over or sit down anyway, because the control panel will be even deeper than the belly.
Try it yourself, at least in the kitchen: open some lower cabinet with shelves and push some device forward, like it's a typewriter. You will see for yourself how much you need to raise the tabletop from above in order to reach the "cuvette".
Olga VB
Thank you, Lenkin! You suggested an interesting experiment. I would not have finished
It looks like my option is just an inline.
Now it's clearer what to look for. Probably, all the same, I will watch the drying, it’s too painfully everyone here praises it. I'll take a chance too
Elena Tim
Quote: Olga VB
I would not have finished
And I had no choice, if you don't like it, you will finish it, otherwise it won't come off.
Quote: Olga VB
It looks like my option is just an inline.
I will support. It is useless to reinvent the wheel there, de it is not required, and to cram a freestanding machine, with its awful dimensions, into a closet.
Congratulations, my druhh! We did it!
Olga VB
yeess!
Elenta
Girls, I look under the sink, what to choose?
Tosha
Well, now it's time for me to make a choice!)) Hot water connection - great! BUT
Quote: OlgaGera
Americans May Tag or GE. Loading from 0.5 kg to 11 kg. Cold and hot water connection.
And where are they sold here?
OlgaGera
Tosha, at one time they bought a shop on Prospekt Mira near the third ring. I do not know if he is now. But you can look for something similar, such as Frigidaire MLTU16GGAWB. Water is not heated!There are also drying machines.
vatruska
Forgive me, but the price is IR ... for a car without heating ... Daewoo is much cheaper ... really yes - the load is smaller ...
Elena Tim
Already it became interesting to me ... I'll go and see why Svetka began to stutter.
Bijou
Quote: vatruska
Sorry, but the price is IR ...
With the savings you can wash with heating for fifty years?
Elena Tim
Looked ... hic ... sorry ... hic ...
I was stunned not so much by the price as by the spin speed.
What is this kindergarten with a carousel?
Anchic
And if the machine does not heat the water, then how to wash it at 60 degrees (for example, bedding) or in general, if necessary, at 90 ???
Bijou
Anchic, no way. )) IMHO, these are "cars for the poor." But for some reason they want a lot of money for them. Plus, there must, probably, be some kind of automation for the correct mixing of water - it will not brew the laundry at once at seventy degrees. : - And this node will be more complicated than the heating element.))


Added Wednesday 15 Jun 2016 01:14 PM

But for laundries, this is probably relevant, but there are machines with completely different brains.
Elena Tim
Quote: Bijou
With the savings you can wash with heating for fifty years?
Lenuska in her repertoire - she quickly calculated everything. Not a head, but a carculator, by God!
Bijou
Elena TimThat neither, this is pure speculation.
The people somehow hung up in real calculations (only, it seems, it was in the dishwashers), so there generally were such crumbs of savings from double connection, which is ridiculous to say.

Here in the refrigerators all sorts of A +++++++ ... + - this is already more relevant. One uncle counted two kilowatt * hours a day with his device, and ... was surprised, in general.
OlgaGera
No, the whole trick of such machines is that the drum stands on a "leg" that rotates it, and does not hang, as in all other machines.
There is no savings here. Consumption of water and electricity is decent.
The spin is also weak, but this is for distillation.
It takes up a lot of space, but you don't need to bend over.
Designed for houses with a boiler.
vatruska
OlgaGera, here is a double-edged sword ... From experience - I had an air-bubble Daewoo, they took it precisely because there was no need to punch in anywhere and almost did not take electricity (the wiring was weak). Water consumption - and figs would be with it! But how it rinses! You can stuff anything, an acquaintance who has such a Daewoo still on the move, is still washing her coat in her

But when the hot water turns off - yes ... it's those dances with a tambourine ... Squeezed, by the way, is also very decent ... The price is also wonderful!

But here - except for the download, I see nothing good. It is written - for country houses ... Well, I don't know - who has his own house for year-round living - they will take it with heating, who has a dacha - to drag there a device for 100 thousand ??? And leave for the winter ???
Bijou
Quote: OlgaGera
No, the whole trick of such machines is that the drum stands on a "leg" that rotates it, and does not hang, as in all other machines.
There is no savings here. Consumption of water and electricity is decent.
Ahh .. Is it like our old activators? I didn't really like the quality of the wash, the current drum wash is much better.
Tosha
Yeah, miracles do not happen))) Boom to look at ordinary CM. After reading a specialized forum on washing machines, I found out that you can buy 10-15 tons of miel in a stock store. cheaper. Now I am suffering ... What if the exhibition copy is malfunctioning.
Babushka
Twenty-two years ago I bought an Arcelik machine that was connected to hot and cold water. It was very expensive. Worked great 9 years ago. Left in the apartment when moving to another city. She regulated the temperature somehow. There were no problems. I was sorry to part with her, but there was no choice. And the refrigerator of the same company is huge, 3-chamber. I have never seen such a technique anywhere else ...
tana33
Quote: Bijou
and ... was surprised, in general.

oh, Lena, I'm laughing at you
and on the topic of connection
we have hot sometimes yellow goes like that urine that tea, and what do you wash with such water?
just ruin everything
OlgaGera
Quote: Tosha
What if the exhibition copy is malfunctioning.
my exhibition copy has been working for 16 years. I think the same amount will work. Kind people, when they rioted me in my apartment, broke the cover (top-loading machine). The servicemen replaced the cover, and also tuned the machine to other programs. How I bought a new car. They still have many service advantages.
Quote: Bijou
It's like our old activators?
Well, like, but it washes efficiently. Now this car lives with a friend.

Quote: vatruska
But when the hot water turns off - yes ... it's those dances with a tambourine ...
At this time, a boiler is provided in the apartment. So no dancing. Even a child can turn on the boiler.
Quote: vatruska
I had a Daewoo air bubble,
Oooh, it's a miracle in my dacha in the bath. The machine is sharpened for rinsing and spinning. Timed wash - 10-15 minutes. But it can hold 11 kg.

I just had two houses, now everything has moved into one, but it remains so ... I bought new cars, drove them in full, handed them back, because they did not fit my requirements. And Daewoo, they bought it as a gift, but it didn't work out as a gift ..
kil
Quote: Tosha

Yeah, miracles do not happen))) Boom to look at ordinary CM. After reading a specialized forum on washing machines, I found out that you can buy 10-15 tons of miel in a stock store. cheaper. Now I'm suffering ... What if the exhibition copy is malfunctioning.

Tosha in the stock store is NOT an EXHIBITION copy, I would not take it there. By the way, mine, which has been working since 1996, is an exhibition one, but with an analysis of the exhibition kitchen, in short, see where the expositions are changed for expensive kitchens, as a rule, the equipment is sold there with a decent discount and the equipment is modern. You need to take a tour of the kitchen and bathroom salons and see if you can find it.
Miranda
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