natushka
Quote: Lera-7
Otherwise I will cry bitterly now
Light, don't cry, I also look at this model, they are capacious they say, let it work without breakdowns, if you've already risked buying, don't regret it. I, too, while toil with a choice. And I like this one, but the reliability confuses me, I think to take Shivaki, but I am also determined by the volume.
Belka13
Something was not praised by Shivaki in the store. They say that Atlant is even better - at least there are no problems with service and spare parts.
Bijou
Olga, so why not Atlas? I was surprised from the very beginning - why such exoticism suddenly?) I decided that for religious reasons, and I really respect this, so I didn't argue.

I remember how I myself was tormented by a choice in the fall. ((My eyes were on my forehead from digging the Internet. So my condolences in full.
Belka13
Lena, it's just that the quality of Atlant refrigerators and freezers has become much worse than 20 years ago, and the people do not hurt them. But better products from a manufacturer with affordable service than less well-known brands, I think.
Bijou
That's right ... But who said that the same Shivaki is the same as twenty years ago? ((
I really did not like his electricity consumption - for a small freezer 140 cm in height, the instructions indicated something like 1.3 kW at 25 degrees per day, or something .. Well, definitely more than one kilowatt. At the same time, the characteristics of the annual consumption are less than three hundred. And this cannot be, because it can never be.
Belka13
So I say that in this situation Shivaki is not worth taking.
Lera-7
Quote: natushka
Light, don't cry, I also look at this model, they are capacious they say, let it work without breakdowns, if you've already risked buying, don't regret it.
Natasha, thank you for your wish! I don’t regret it. Only time will tell if the choice is right or not. But it has already been done. And as for the reliability, I think it's as lucky as anyone. Let's hope for the best!
Lvivka
Quote: GruSha

Girls, how do you freeze green onions?
Mom in the village decided to freeze in a bag, put it in the freezer under the refrigerator. The smell of onions for the next day was even in the refrigerator. They removed it into the container - it did not help either.

mine, cut, let dry. then into the bag, release the air and into the chest. no smell
Nirinka
Tanyush @ ka, I also have Saratov. Such a good hard worker))) I'm happy with him, he performs all his functions, which is what is required of him. freezes itself and freezes))) Yes, and for that kind of money!
Chamomile
About Shivaki, about 4 years ago I worked in a workshop for the repair of large household appliances. So my master did not recommend this firm at all. It is practically not repairable and you will not wait for spare parts. But, one must understand that he considered everything from his bell tower and recommended Indesit, Ariston. They are repaired easily, quickly, spare parts are always available.
Irina742
Girls! Hello! Do you think it is possible to put a freezer on a terrace that is not heated? In winter there is frost. I really want to buy it, but I can only put it there. (funny, of course, the freezer is in the cold)
natushka
Girls, do you connect through stabilizers? Then how to pick up not expensive?
Asya Klyachina
Girls, what is the OPTIMUM temperature in the freezer chest, when everything is already frozen and during long-term storage? Somehow, I didn't bother with my chest before (it gives me from -19 to -30 * C).
sazalexter
Quote: natushka
Then how to pick up not expensive?
Any 1.5-2 kW, based on one chill.


Posted on Friday 19 Aug 2016 10:51 AM

Quote: Irina742
Do you think it is possible to put a freezer on a terrace that is not heated?
The minimum for an electronically controlled refrigerator is + 3 * C (tested in practice, an undocumented possibility was discovered) with a mechanical thermal relay, things are even worse, from + 10 * C with SN version, otherwise the chill simply will not start.
Freezers have a different picture, you need to look at the passport of a particular specimen. In principle, if the environment is warmer than the temperature of the freezer, 4-5 degrees, it should work.
natushka
Alexander, Thank you! And if they put the refrigerator and freezer side by side, they will be connected to the same outlet, is it necessary for the 4kW stabilizer to be there?
Taia
Quote: Asya Klyachina
Girls, what is the OPTIMUM temperature in the freezer chest, when everything is already frozen and during long-term storage?

I have a regular freezer, the instructions say for long-term storage of already frozen products, you need to set -15 *.
Crochet
Quote: Taia
for long-term storage of already frozen products, set -15 *

I have -18 * installed in the freezer of the refrigerator), I also set -18 * in the freezer ...
Taia
I am not saying this, it is written in the instructions.
I read the instructions! Sometimes.
Crochet
Quote: Taia
Sometimes

He finds me too, and I also read ... sometimes ...
sazalexter
Quote: natushka
to have a 4kw stabilizer?
At least 4kW, otherwise they suddenly decide to turn on together
Bijou
We have a 2.7 kW generator periodically three refrigerator pulls.) In addition to the rest of the electric head such as televisions, bulbs and computers.
Sofiya31
Belka13, Olga, hello. Tell me, what is your Liebherr model. I choose myself and have already broken my whole head. We need a roomy freezer, we watched the 7212 model live, I liked it, but the price.
Belka13
Tatyana, I have a Liebherr 7252 (analogue of 7212). Yes, now the prices for them I was lucky to get cheaper.
Sofiya31
Olgahow is he? Is it worth paying that kind of money for it? And then I'm already in my old Samsung in the freezer from my feet. And everything is not enough, but I just don't want a freezer separately, because I know that there won't be enough refrigerator either. Need something big 2 in 1
Belka13
Sofiya31, Tatyana, generally very much. Although also hammered through the top. 8 drawers in the freezer is generally a song. Each compartment is for its own type of food. Meat, fruits, vegetables, berries, herbs - everything is stored separately. The drawers are roomy, slide out easily, the front wall is transparent - you can see the contents. Convenient door shelves. I also like the bottle holder, I keep bottles with serum and tan on it. The only thing that is not very convenient for me is the width of the refrigerator compartment. Still, 60 cm is not enough for me. Perhaps this is after long enough use of the Sharp refrigerator 90 cm wide. Although the height of the refrigerator here is rather big.
And another such moment - my model differs from the 7212 (older model) or 7222 only in increased efficiency, that is, the power consumption is less. And, perhaps, there are no cold accumulators in the younger models. So you don't have to overpay.
Mams
I have Liebher - two separate. One refrigerator compartment and a second freezer compartment. Exactly 7212. Very happy. But, it happens to the old woman ... In the spring the compressor died (he is only 4 years old), changed. I gave 15 thousand. The foreman said that the reason for the breakdown could be that the door was not closed. So you need to look carefully to close. The sensor is there, it beeps if it has not closed, but there is some position in which the door has not yet closed, and the sensor is already closed. Here is the ambush. But this is not only for Liebchers, it is a common problem.

8 boxes is a dream. Fruits, berries, greens, meat and fish are quietly purchased (frozen). Excellent storage. In general, I put it on -15 - quite enough. Freezes instantly. I froze the parsley - it was ready in two hours. I put it on a silicone sheet right in the box and put it on super-frost-21. Then she put it in the containers, which was completely frozen and not sticky. In winter, you take a handful from the container and into the soup. Wonderful. By the way, somehow they made me happy with a huge bunch of dill. So we ate it from the freezer for two years later. Nothing happened to him.

No-frost freezer - dry frost. It does not smell, does not get wet, holds well.
Bijou
Quote: Mams
I gave 15 thousand. The foreman said that the reason for the breakdown could be that the door was not closed. So you need to look carefully to close.
And imagine my feelings when I somehow go out to the refrigerator, and there the door to the freezer opened, and along the facades of the boxes an ice waterfall in a man's hand thick? It immediately became clear that I was squealing for several hours.)) And I had my whole head on the other side of the house - I can't understand where I was imagining it.

And after all, Boshik survived! He cooled the boxes so much that the street moisture flew up and was frozen by an ice floe. It was beautiful - not to convey.

Quote: Mams
8 boxes is a dream.
Naive ....
Sofiya31
Belka13, Mams, thank you very much. I will think now how to promote my husband to a new refrigerator. And about 8 boxes, I also do not think that this is a lot. But the trouble is with space, there is nowhere to put the freezer.
Bijou, I also recently had such a picture, my daughter indulged in and did not close the door to the end (but I only beep when the refrigerator is open). That was a shock for me, I had so many stocks there. But nothing, like nothing happened. I didn't even remove the ice, it evaporated itself for several days
Belka13
Sofiya31, Tatyana, is there no place for the freezer somewhere, say, in the corridor? My friend disconnected them, we don't get into the freezer so often.
Sofiya31
Belka13, In my corridor, you can only put something narrow, no wider than 50 cm. And in such freezers, the boxes are like toy boxes, and the noise during operation is like from a tractor. We recently took my mother Saratov for 8 boxes (we didn't find other narrow ones, and I wouldn't fit wider) I don't like it. And of all that I saw, I fell in love with Liebherr. Still prices would fall for everything
Belka13
Tatyana, it's a shame. The width is 60 cm. I had a refrigerator Saratov. In addition to the appearance, I did not like anything. And it hummed like a steam locomotive. Liebherr is quieter. And the prices, unfortunately, are getting higher and higher. When I started to persuade my husband to Liebherr, he cost 74 thousand. And they bought it already for 93. And now he does
Sofiya31
Belka13, the one that 7212 from us can be taken for 90,000. And from the officials for 115,000, the rasschnitsa is palpable. And then everything is under 200,000 only. I like that the freezer is no frost and the refrigerator is drip. We had a drip in our room Atlant, so the sandwiches made from morning to evening were as fresh. And I only store everything in bags, it dries strongly. But they say it's all no frost like that
Anchic
Quote: Sofiya31
We had a drip in our room Atlant, so the sandwiches made from morning to evening were as fresh. And I only store everything in bags, it dries strongly. But they say it's all no frost like that

Well, yes, this comes from the meaning of the no frost system. In the same place, a fan drives the air and because of this, the products wind up faster.
Mams
Quote: Sofiya31
I like it that the freezer is no frost and the refrigerator is drip

I really liked it too! Because the drip refrigerator gives normal humidity, which is good for food. No need to hide in a container or pack. Cutting all sorts of smoked meats, if they haven't eaten in the evening, in the morning the guys finish their meal not at all dry. In no-frost, this will not work. It is necessary to hide food. But in the freezer, all the same, everything is either in a container or in a bag. But the dry cold does not allow the freeze to soak.

Olechka.s
Mams, I understand that you have a separate refrigerator and a separate freezer? Illy, I misunderstood something. Tell me what is yours? Model. I also want a separate refrigerator, but it's hard to find them.
Sofiya31
Mams, so I liked it soooo, just beauty. And my mother's stinol is also drip, but there the sausage and cheese still dry. Maybe something is not working well, or maybe the old one is already.
Olechka.sIf I understand correctly, then Olga Liebcher said-by-syde, and they have a separate refrigerator compartment, and a separate freezer. They just screw together with bolts, if you don't need them you can put them separately from each other, they have two compressors. Sorry for getting in


Added Thursday, 13 Oct 2016, 10:27

Anchic, yes, I understand that, it is just that sometimes it gets boring to hide all the half-eaten sandwiches in packages, but you don't need to defrost it. I turned off mine only when I moved. And you can wash and so you can or separately get it to wash
Belka13
Yes, that's right, I have two different units, each with its own compressor and its own wire. They can be twisted, or you can put them like that - there is not much difference in sight. I somehow did not notice that something was drying in my refrigerator. Perhaps, compared to old refrigerators, this is noticeable. Or is everything eaten up quickly?
Sofiya31I think this is a normal price.
Sofiya31
Belka13, judging by how much a refrigerator column costs now, I think so too. But still, there is not enough money yet, and I don’t want to take out a loan. The faster the dollar would fall, maybe the prices will become more pleasant
Belka13
Sofiya31, Tatyana, I fully support. We did not take on credit, and besides, in Mvideo, on the eve of the birthday, they accrued increased bonuses and at that moment they gave some chips-balls. So then, taking into account these bonuses, we bought TV 10,000 cheaper. You can also buy a separate refrigerator, a separate freezer, and then order a connecting strip from the service center if you need it. It will come out cheaper. Because, despite the depreciation of the euro, prices only go up.
Olechka.s
Sofiya31, Tatyana, thank you very much, I understood everything. Thanks Olga too! Girls
Sofiya31
Olechka.s, Olga, you're welcome


Added Thursday, 13 Oct 2016 19:30

Belka13, I have not seen them individually in the shops that can lead to our village. I am afraid that he will cheer up strongly, and so we have it at 26 tons. is cheaper than in a technopark or at the officials. So I am suffering. So if this Wishlist was one. And how I used to live
Belka13
Sofiya31, and if you contact the store managers and ask them to bring a specific model of the refrigerator and a specific model of the freezer? I didn’t even have model 7252 in my documents, but a separate refrigerator and such and such a freezer. Although there will be more fuss. Can't the store give you an installment plan? It is unlikely that they have a bunch of people interested in our time.
Sofiya31
Belka13, Olga, large stores sell what they have in stock. And small ones do not want to carry such equipment. It is probably not everywhere in warehouses, la and expensive. We recently found out about cuckoos here, so we were told that there are no such models. Now there is a crisis, in our small shops there are only Atlanta, LG even Liebherr to order and wait 8 days. Why don’t money fall to people from the NKBA?
marina-asti
Sofiya31, online stores, especially small ones, do not want to buy an expensive refrigerator from a distributor at their own expense, and then sit and jump whether you will take it or not - unfortunately. The risks are too great. And you try to offer them prepayment, maybe it will become more interesting for them?)
Bijou
Quote: marina-asti
And you try to offer them an advance payment, maybe it will become more interesting for them?)
In our country, even the giant Mvideo began to write that goods that are out of stock are available for export only after prepayment online.) Although, of course, I can refuse at any time and get money back, because distance selling and all that, including them their own money-back program, but even they are insured to some extent.
Belka13
Sofiya31, The thought is material. You need to make a wish and believe in its fulfillment. I usually do that. Even on my phone I save pictures of the goods I am interested in (mostly expensive ones) and I dream that they will appear in my possession. I dreamed of a refrigerator for two years. Dream come true
marina-asti
Lena, if the company is normal, it is definitely easier for it to return the prepayment than to get a bunch of problems, the buyer is now protected from all sides.
And the fact that stores are switching to trade "to order" is logical in the current environment. Now sending small things by cash on delivery becomes a game of "roulette", and buying expensive equipment is not at all interesting.
Therefore, it is not surprising that the "monsters" of the trade began to use this practice.
Sofiya31
Belka13, I will definitely try it.
marina-asti, so I found on the internet, at the bottom is not just a pick-up point in our city, but a store. But for some reason, an ordinary store does not want to contact us even with a prepayment. And I won't decide to order on the Internet with delivery to my city after problems with the media market (I will never order from them again), and the price is such that it is scary. I need to feel, look, smell everything. The picture in the internet omobr gives nothing
marina-asti
Tatyana, but not an option to find in Moscow, come, touch, pay with delivery?
A little more dreary with the road and so on, but by car you can do it in a day. And you will be calmer, you will all have documents.

By the way, yesterday in your house I saw that they made a new department with household appliances, there a 380l Liebher chest costs only 49 kopecks, in the internet for 56 it seems like they saw it. Sharp wide refrigerators for 80 thousand, well, in general, the prices seemed to me normal.
Mams
Quote: Olechka.s
Mams, I understand that you have a separate refrigerator and a separate freezer? Illy, I misunderstood something. Tell me what is yours? Model. I also want a separate refrigerator, but it's hard to find them.

Liebcher 7212. There are two separate cells. Refrigerating and freezing. Height 1.80. The width of each section is 60 cm. It can be placed side by side and combined into one (special fasteners included). The doors are hung on both sides, so it looks like a side-by-side.

Or you can put it separately. Austere design that fits into any interior. I wanted to take with camera zero. But these models were only in chrome, even then it cost crazy money. Therefore, they abandoned zero ...

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