Crochet
Igor, you, as I understand it, Liebherr?

Which model?
Igrig
Quote: Krosh

Igor, you, as I understand it, Liebherr?

Which model?
Liebherr GP 1476 for 106 liters, there is a coffee machine on it, otherwise they would have taken a larger volume.
Nata333
Quote: Krosh
The difference in price is 22 tr., I don't understand why
At first glance, energy consumption is almost 100 kilograms per year less and a small screen on the face
Cvetaal
Quote: Igrig
Here you are right now conducting "anti-laric" propaganda: you confirm that it is inconvenient to store food in a chest and you cannot do without shelves, containers, buckets

Do you store the product in bulk boxes?
Lenusya
No, he keeps rams in them By the way, it will be much more convenient for a whole ram in a chest

But seriously, I honestly can't imagine how to do without additional containers, containers, etc. in a freezer.

I have an Atlant freezer. Satisfied completely. If there was a place, I would definitely take a chest with him.
Chardonnay
Quote: Lenusya
how to do without additional containers, containers, etc. in the freezer.
I will not say for myself, I will say for my mother-in-law) She keeps everything in the freezer in bags for her entire adult life according to the principle of "bag in bag". The package does not take too much space, it is also convenient to get it. Why in containers? Is it more convenient to get it out, or is there some other secret?
Lenusya
So I also store fruits and vegetables in freezer bags, but I also use containers for fruit purees, tomatoes, herbs, etc.
Packages, however, also do not fill the entire "useful" volume, sometimes a lot of space remains between them, and nothing can be crammed
Asya Klyachina
I have two freezers with drawers, but the other day I'm taking the CHEST. These drawers do not suit me, they take up a lot of useful space. I store everything in vacuum bags (fresh cucumbers in cubes, tomatoes in quarters, pepper rings), berries and fruits, various vegetables, beans and green peas. Ice does not freeze and is very compact in vacuum bags. And there is so much harvest in your garden that it is not at all an option to shove into containers, at least place in vacuum bags that God sent. It’s one thing when you buy something for storage (now you don’t go too far with prices) and quite another when everything is rushing in the garden.
firuza83
Asya Klyachina, Yes Yes,! It was my own garden that "made" me buy a chest!) This year, a stock of berries, which is straight "uuuhhh")) yesterday I collected 3 buckets of cherries !! And this is only half of it ... The same amount remains ... Here's how to do without a freezer ... No way ...


Added Wednesday 20 Jul 2016 06:50 PM

By the way, my mother also keeps everything in bags ... And she will put containers on top .. And by the way, at her 63 years old it is not at all difficult for her to get everything from there) it's just me that someone was afraid of chests because of the approaching old age


Added Wednesday 20 Jul 2016 10:14 PM

I will be the first owner of a freezer Haier from members of the forum) initially wanted to take Pozis according to reviews and price ... But, despite the fact that in the Internet catalogs of all the shops I looked at there were several types of all kinds of chests in the range of 15-25 thousand, I had to travel half of the city, visit all the stores such as Eldorado, M-Video, Technosila, etc. It seems like there are large hypermarkets of household appliances, just full, but there were 1 freezer chests in each store !!! and the cameras are not particularly roaming - 4-5 species .. In short, there is no choice! So my husband and I wandered around the city in search of a chest, because it was no longer possible to postpone the purchase, the berries were waiting .. already desperate .. But another sign of a digital technology store caught our eyes, we were absolutely sure that there would definitely be nothing in it. ...We drove into a store - and here it is a CHOICE ... two whole rows of freezers and chests .. aaallujah.. The consultant, such a smart young man, immediately told us about everything, described, advised .. They even gave a present - a container of 1.1 liters and a dishwasher tablet) a trifle, but nice))Freezer selection And so, I'm talking about mine - 203 liters, energy saving class A +, 4 stars, super freezing, freezing 18 kg / day, electronic control - display Freezer selection, you can set any temperature from -14 degrees, there is a display lock, which is very important with children !!, if any malfunction is overloaded or something else - it gives an error and beeps .. Standalone mode 37 hours! Very good too! Freezer selection Equipped with the Frost Control system, this is certainly not Non Frost, but still the frost deposits are reduced a little .. The noise level is 42 dB .. it works very quietly! if you do not listen, you can hardly hear it. Another important point (for me) inside is trimmed with a solid shining canvas (I don’t remember what it’s called ..)), the corners are rounded, which is very convenient when washing, they will not be clogged with any byaka over time, and if suddenly something, there are fewer "slots" for leakage .. but this is already quite a last resort) and so, my opinion - It looks very nice, the control is convenient, silent, freezes quickly, the walls do not heat up much .. I hope it will last a long time.
Crochet
Quote: Scarecrow
Today I bought a freezer Liebherr 3032 (for 284 liters). Ooooh, this is fantastic. I stuffed everything in there already that was hanging out in two freezers and a freezer-column.

Tus, so you have a chest, and a vertical cabinet), you can find out your opinion?

Here for you Which turned out to be more convenient to use: a chest or a cabinet?

And what manufacturer do you have, by the way?

Spied out in the night Liebherr GNPes 4355 corresponding to almost all my requests, but there is a priceaaa, more than 85 tons. ...
Tatiana Gnezdilova
firuza83, congratulations on your new assistant !!! : bravo: Let it serve for many years to the joy of you and your loved ones. Well that's how many goodies you can freeze in it.
Crochet
firuza83, Yasminochka, congratulations on your purchase !!!

I am sincerely glad for you !!!

Let it serve for a long time and never cease to please !!!

And thanks for the review !!!

When will I find my freezer ?!
Scarecrow
Quote: Krosh

Tus, here you have a chest, and a vertical cabinet), you can find out your opinion?

Here for you Which turned out to be more convenient to use: a chest or a cabinet?

And what manufacturer do you have, by the way?

Spied out in the night Liebherr GNPes 4355 corresponding to almost all my requests, but there is a priceaaa, more than 85 tons. ...

Innuska, hello !!)) I came on your tip!))

I have both a chest and Liebchera's column. In my opinion, these are diverse things and both are excellent. I would not refuse either one or the other. Chest is extremely convenient for storing oversized items. For example, I bought a chum salmon packing (11 kg briquette). Disassembled it into fish and that's where I put them in a regular freezer? Nowhere. Two lie on the diagonal of the box and that's it. How many boxes do I need? In the column it is convenient to put small things in separate boxes: butter, frozen berries in plastic containers, cheese cut into portions, portioned grated carrots in bags and onions. I opened the drawer and took it out.
If you don't have one or the other, or if you are talking about buying one thing, I would buy a chest. Because there you will place both that and that (both large and small items), but it is very difficult to place oversized columns in the boxes of the column, the space is limited by the "ceiling" of the box, which is why a fair amount of space is wasted.
Many people say that it is difficult to rummage in a chest and find anything. Not true. It is necessary to properly organize the space. I use regular cardboard boxes / boxes with hard sides (not thin, I think you get the idea). I even cut the little handles in the walls sometimes. if they are not (as in the box from the TV). They are not huge, mediocre. But here the minced meat is distributed in portions in packages - in its own box. Squids - the whole briquette is disassembled and distributed in portioned packages - in its own box.Butter (I was the column of soap and dragged everything into the chest) - in my own, lamb for soup (with bone) - in my own, etc. I buy "wholesale", so it turns out well. They took the ram, butchered it, laid it out. Even if you have a smaller scale, just take smaller boxes. The boxes are stacked one on top of the other (well, a little at an angle so that the top one stands on the sides of the bottom one, and does not fall into it. And if it is smaller, let it fall through, but the products are kept separately))). Therefore, even if I need to get something from below, then I do not need to dig up, mix everything up and make a mess. I need to take out / move the top 2-3 boxes, take a portioned bag and put back 2-3 boxes. All. I line the boxes with polyethylene (a large garbage bag, put it on like on a trash can) and then fold the portioned bags. In a separate box, I have ready-made frozen manti / dumplings with cottage cheese. The box is lined with a bag, and all "products are in large ikeevsky bags with a zip-fastener and are signed with a permanent marker. Everything is neat, the smells do not mix and do not crush the crumbling frozen dough other products. Something like that."

I hope I explain it clearly)).
Julia ***
Super! Chuchelka, thanks for the story, has learned a lot of useful things for herself. And the scales went towards the chest. I have an old Atlant freezer (not enough after registering at the Bread Maker), but its walls are warming up, I do not understand if it is coming to an end or is it necessary. And so I think, to love her and to carry with me when moving and further, or to acquire something new.


Added Thursday, 21 Jul 2016, 10:48 AM

Or greed quietly whispers: buy more chest (husband will beat).
Crochet
Quote: Julia ***
And the scales went towards the chest

My roof the bowl moved in the same direction ...

Chucha, well, you are a FRIEND !!!

I owe you !!!

Ask what you want !!!

Do you need half the kingdom ?!

Can !!!

But then without a horse, and then what will I pay for the consultation next time?
Scarecrow
Quote: Krosh


But then without a horse, otherwise what will I pay for the consultation next time?

Greedy.

Is it possible for the whole kingdom, but next time half a horse?)))

Crochet
Quote: Scarecrow
and next time half a horse?

Is there enough space in the freezer under the horse's floor?

I ordered a freezer !!!


Scarecrow
Quote: Krosh

Is there enough space in the freezer under the horse's floor?

You offend !! I prepared!)))
Taia
, the agony of choice is over.

Quote: Krosh
Freezer ordered

And which?

nila
Scarecrow,
Nata, Simple as that !!! Here it is, the idea lay on the surface)) it's so simple and affordable - simple cardboard boxes, which my husband recently carried out of the barn and burned at the stake, they interfered with him, you see , to accommodate instead of large plastic boxes with lids.
It's just that since I got a not small chest, I have been solving the problem of how to zone all its space. I really like the idea of ​​large plastic boxes, but I immediately bought only one, and then the prices for them soared so much that I just walk around and lick my lips at them. I think I'll buy it right now, but there are always other, more necessary, purchases.
Now I use several plastic boxes for fruits and vegetables, but it is not very convenient. They are low, and they take a lot of places.
And here you are with your boxes! I went to urgently stock up on boxes and will do an audit in my "magic box"
Natasha, thanks for such valuable advice

Kroshik, congratulations on the right choice! I hope that you will not be disappointed in it)))
Taia
Quote: nila
And here you are with your boxes! I went to urgently stock up on boxes and will make an audit in my "magic box"

And then these filled, heavy boxes with their noses in the chest freezer and upside down with their pops to play tudy - syudy.
This is me, thinking out loud ... I had the opportunity at work to taste the delights of such a freezer ...
Scarecrow
Quote: Taia

And then these filled, heavy boxes with their nose in the chest freezer and upstairs with their priest shove tudy - syudy.
This is me, thinking out loud ...

You don't need to take huge boxes))).Then the normal weight will be. And in the chest it is always back and forth, because it is a chest. There is no other way. Only now he carefully took out the box or a million bundles - two big differences)). A store is not a home. You don't even get into the chest every day at home. Well, or once a day - get something for tomorrow to cook. I usually shoot there every few days. Something is taken for today and put in the sink, something for tomorrow or the day after tomorrow and put in the refrigerator to defrost. What is always at hand is often used - it lies in the freezer of the kitchen refrigerator or in a chest on the surface (for example, I have a box with grated frozen carrots and onions for soups: opened, grab and went, herbs)). Even in the chest on the side, there is usually such a "step" with a rim, like a shelf. Everything is neatly stacked on it in plastic disposable containers: tomato puree, pickled tomatoes in brine (leftovers from jars))), fresh frozen cucumbers, etc. The rest in a chest is usually stocks. For example, I don't cook whole fish every day. Therefore, they lie below. The heaviest thing should also be below. I have big boxes of meat for soup and minced meat. they stand in a row below so as not to be pulled and so that they do not crush anything. He pushed the top to the side, launched his hand - pulled out the portion bag. In short, preparing food for storage is essential. So as not to dig later: what is it, where is it lying around, etc.

nila,

Oh, Nel, lids are definitely not needed, otherwise the principle of the same box in a column with a "roof" turns out. It's not a pity to throw out the cardboard boxes later, you do not need to wash, you can dial all calibers in the shops. And yet - they do not scratch anything (the inner surface of the chest is usually lined with something silvery, which for some reason I’m afraid to scratch all the time) and, if necessary, they deform a little, the walls bend, if you need to push something somewhere more successfully / insert, it's easy and not a pity to sign what is where.

And I also like that when I climb into the chest - then at least adjust the cart in order to finish it to the kitchen (it's in my basement))). Immediately: oh, I will defrost it, oh, and this, oh, I'll take squid for salad))), oh, whole chicken in the refrigerator now, and the day after tomorrow I'll bake it. I defrost almost everything in the refrigerator. I don't like quick defrosting. She "spoils" the meat.
Taia
Scarecrow, Nata - in terms of the size of your family, place of residence, lifestyle - an absolutely right decision to buy a chest, given that you also have a vertical freezer. And I would do exactly that.
The choice of a freezer is very individual, everything must be calculated.
firuza83
Tatiana Gnezdilova, Crochetthank you girls
Quote: nila
Kroshik, congratulations on the right choice!
and what did the choice fall on? something I did not notice in the subject ...)
Chamomile
Taia, agree. We must look at the circumstances. I don't need the chest at all. I even bought a tabletop dishwasher and donated the tabletop. It's hard for me to bend down.
Asya Klyachina
Quote: firuza83
and what did the choice fall on? something I did not notice in the subject ...)
Judging by what was written, that a freezer, but this is not a chest. The chest is needed for someone who has an area that allows large amounts of freezing. From the presence of two freezers and a chest, I would now rather have one freezer and two chests. Moreover, the chests contain from 1 to 3 hanging baskets (they can be placed, can be removed), where everything that will be defrosted in the near future can be placed. And you don't have to bend too much.
Cvetaal
Girls, Inna ordered Liebherr's chest, reliable information
Asya Klyachina
Congratulations to Inna on the choice she needed. Chest is good.
nila
Natasha, I realized that there were boxes with lids. But on the one hand, if there are no lids, it may be good, it is more convenient that you don’t need to bother with the lids (open-close it), but on the other hand, then these boxes should be somehow conveniently placed in the chamber itself.
Then these boxes without lids are basically the same as my plastic fruit boxes.For me, this box becomes just in length, and there is still space for flat bags with a zipper between the box and the wall. I ice almost everything in these bags. It turns out flat, rectangular, thin cakes, which are convenient to place and lay in a pile. But I often put them "on the priest", also in a pile. It is more convenient to get it later. And in width I have 3 boxes. If you put it in 2 rows, then it is quite possible to place 6 boxes. I do not put the third floor, then it would not be convenient to rearrange.
Not bad with boxes like this, but ... but there is a big BUT .. how did you write this particular silver coating. This year, when defrosting the chest in spring, when washing, I found small scratches. And this despite the fact that I cover the bottom of the chest with a thin film in two layers.
In your case, of course, the boxes are much safer.
And of course it's easier to rearrange, sort out boxes than just turn over a lot of containers and packages.
You just need to clearly zone and label the boxes.
When I’m looking for something, I usually put on special cotton gloves with bulbs (they are specially designed for hanging on the pipe behind the chest), put one of the baskets on the floor and put the interfering bags or bowls there.
On the step, I have ready-made products in containers, cottage cheese, overcooked shampoos - it's easier for me to find them on the step. And what is needed for daily cooking - refueling, one of the packages of sweet pepper for soups, greens, what I am going to cook in the near future, all this is gradually moving into the freezer drawers in the refrigerator, which is in the kitchen. Therefore, I try not to open the chest every day.

Crochet
Quote: Cvetaal
Inna ordered a Chest Liebherr

Aha), I confirm, exactly the same as that of our Svetlana), 333 p. useful volume:

Quote: Cvetaal
I was also presented a year ago Liebherr GT 3622
annnushka27
What a hot topic! They also decided to buy a freezer, I'm sitting reading. At first they wanted something inexpensive, with shelves, but I read it and I don't know now. I lean towards the chest, we have a two-door refrigerator, there is a large freezer, 198 liters, 2 drawers, and there is a lot of room on the door. Therefore, I think to buy a chest to help him. I would like Liebherr, but for us it's a little expensive ...
Tell me what to look for when choosing?

Inna, Krosh, congratulations on the end of the agony of choice!
Lvivka
Oh, girls, as I understand you) In May, we bought a 230-liter freezer chest so that we could stock up on vegetables and fruits this summer, we even put meat there. We chose between snow and frostor, in the end we decided to choose the second option because of their warranty service. Well, not the point, sobsno .. The most important thing is that the chest is really convenient in the household!

For example, now they took pork inexpensively, peppers in the garden in bulk, as a result, they twisted part of the meat and stuffed peppers - all this in a chest)) The rest was divided and simply frozen. Only I foolishly forgot to mark them, now I don't know how to figure out where the ribs, bones are, and where is the pulp. In general, a lot of all sorts of such homemade "semi-finished products" can be prepared in advance, and then you just take it out and cook immediately until ready) It's convenient!
Asya Klyachina
Quote: Lvivka
many of these homemade "semi-finished products" can be prepared in advance, and then you just take it out and cook immediately until ready) Conveniently!
Lvivka, and then! And all this is natural and tasty. And what kind of savings to the family budget. And it is not necessary to buy an expensive chest, choose according to your capabilities, the main thing is to cram more (especially your vegetables and berries for the winter) and it worked well.
Lvivka
I totally agree with you!
Everyone has different possibilities and places in the house / apartment. You need to choose everything for yourself. By the way, this is a painful business, as for me. So many doubts ...
Catwoman
I read, read, I already want a chest, in the kitchen there is a large Panasonic, in the Anlant pantry with a freezer and in the corridor there is also a freezer with drawers, but there is sorely lack of space. So now I want a chest, but ...Big BUT .... He only has a place on a glazed loggia (not insulated). Do you think my chest will not bend there? And if you turn it off for the time of Morozov? After all, it should not defrost if it is cold around?

I looked after Hansa 200.3, he is the only one passing through the door to the loggia.
Irgata
Quote: Catwoman
He only has a place on the glazed loggia (not insulated). Do you think my chest will not bend there?
will bend, minus t, difference in external t, will rust, and the mind will disappear

I would not take the chest - it takes up a lot of space and there is empty space above it

like a freezer, laid on the floor, with the door up, these are what kind of apartments you need to have

big freezers
Cvetaal
Catwoman, Lena, not all chests are suitable for a loggia, you need to look at the characteristics of the "climatic class", it shows the humidity and the permissible temperature of the external environment, and you need to navigate by it. I know that Liebchers and Westfrosts have a SN-T climate class (+ 10 ° C to + 43 ° C). If the temperature on your loggia does not drop below +10 in winter, then you can safely put a chest. By the way, Aunt Basya's chest is on the loggia, and this, for a minute, is Karelia.

I also planned my Liebherr for the loggia, but we could not drag it through the balcony opening, in the future, when we repair the loggias, I will put it there, shove it through the window)), but for now it is in one of the closets

I looked at Hansa, only one model has a suitable climate class, Hansa FS 100.3

Quote: Irsha

what kind of apartments you need to have

I have 122 sq m

Catwoman
Oh, girls, thanks for the advice. The apartment seems to be not small, but there is nowhere to put at home, only on the loggia. And then only to go through the doorway.
firuza83
Oh, girls, it's still a cool thing - a chest freezer / chamber ... Here I have three wedding cakes to make at the end of the week! one for two tiers, and two three tiers !!! This is a total of 8 biscuits !!! and so that I do not bathe already on the eve of collecting cakes with these biscuits, I baked them (I baked them for two days)) in advance and neatly put them in a chest)))) great .. now I have almost half the job done) all that remains is to make a cream, and queues to collect cakes ... All the same, a necessary thing in the household is a freezer ... I'm not overjoyed ..
Igrig
Quote: Catwoman
He only has a place on a glazed loggia (not insulated). Do you think my chest will not bend there? And if you turn it off for the time of Morozov? After all, it should not defrost if it is cold around?
Consider this point: the refrigerant in the freezer works ONLY AT A TEMPERATURE ABOVE (!!!) plus 5 degrees!!!!!!
Just imagine, on the loggia the temperature is plus 3-5 degrees, the freezer does not work - gradually the contents heats up from minus temperature to plus 3-5 !!!
I am not campaigning for anyone, but once again about the chest: THE CHEST IS A REFRIGERATOR WITHOUT SHELVES! Is it convenient to use such a refrigerator without shelves?
I have no arguments against the fact that it is easier to stuff a ram or a box of chum salmon into a chest than into a freezer, but ALL (!) Owners of chests on the last pages describe their efforts to organize the inner space of these chests:
- there are also cardboard boxes that not everyone will pick up,
- and containers,
- and curtsies to the side towards the elevation at the bottom, which "forms a comfortable shelf",
- and standard hinged (as it turns out, convenient !!!) hinged shelves and as a result we come, as someone wittily noted here, to the "freezer on the floor", which takes up 2 times more space.
And add that nothing heavy or long-term can be put on top of the chest in principle. Honestly, I probably can, but it will turn out like in a joke: I like to overcome difficulties ...
Therefore, weigh all the pros and cons, assess your needs, take into account your physical and nervous forces (so as not to swear in the "ZYu" position over a scattering of food or boxes), calculate the rational use of the area of ​​your premises and soberly choose between a chest and a freezer!
Bijou
Quote: Igrig
Consider this point: the refrigerant in the freezer works ONLY AT A TEMPERATURE HIGHER (!!!) plus 5 degrees !!!!!!
Just imagine, on the loggia the temperature is plus 3-5 degrees, the freezer does not work - gradually the contents heats up from minus temperature to plus 3-5 !!!
Yes? And why? We have a refrigerator, which uses only a freezer, in an unheated wooden house. Frost in winter, in spring and autumn in every way. I have never noticed thawed meat or fruit in many years.
Chamomile
Igrig, +++ I totally agree!
Scarecrow
Igrig,

Almost all your message is addressed to me. Repeats of phrases from my post about a chest freezer.

So that's it. A refrigerator without shelves is fucking convenient. The organization of space is always important and not only in freezers. But in the chest it is not limited by ANYTHING except the walls of the chest. Not exactly limited by the size of the box. And the efforts - kapets what efforts - to put a cardboard box))). As if not to overstrain from such efforts)). "A scattering" of boxes is 3-4 pieces? !! Because a chest is for a "large" or a lot of one kind of product. Small change is stored in freezers with drawers (I remind you that everyone in the house has a refrigerator with a freezer))). By the way, yes. I have 2 refrigerators with freezers, a column freezer and a chest. I kind of understand what I'm talking about. I used everything with my own hands for more than one year on the farm ...

Don't keep everyone for idiots. And I'm all so enlightened ... Everyone has different initial data and ideas about what is ideal / practicality / convenience))) ... You have your own opinion on this matter - it's not a question. But it does not mean at all that one should try to offend others with it.
Svetta
Quote: Catwoman

Oh, girls, thanks for the advice. The apartment seems to be not small, but there is nowhere to put at home, only on the loggia. And then only to go through the doorway.
Lena, a freezer (or other) can be brought in through the window next to the door, especially if it is made of metal-plastic. Glasses can be easily removed and reinserted.
firuza83
Scarecrow, +++
I agree with you .. Cameras with shelves for small packages / products ... In our villages / villages, we are somehow used to large volumes, which, well, cannot be crammed into the shelves of the drawer .. Or, for example, to stuff only one cherry (like For example, this year I froze 3 buckets) in the chest it turned out to be at the bottom, and in the cell all 3-4 boxes would have already been occupied only by it ... Cameras are convenient, yes, but the chest is somehow more practical .. And with such "inconveniences" as efforts, you can try to cope
Olgushechka81
I was also happy to buy a vertical freezer, while I froze raspberries, strawberries, this, this, everything, 7 shelves are almost full. I also wanted to freeze tomatoes and peppers. Oh .... where to get free meters in the apartment. Therefore, my opinion, with the opportunity and finances and in footage, you need to have both, then we will be happy
firuza83
Exactly, both of them have this great happiness in the future, maybe I'll take a camera too .... Well, or, a second chest ..
Scarecrow
Olgushechka81,

Both are ideal.
Igrig
Quote: Scarecrow
Don't keep everyone for idiots. And I'm all so enlightened ...
I'll start by asking forgiveness if you are offended ...
Although completely in vain. Most likely, you, offended, simply did not read my post to the end, where I wrote an absolutely tolerant phrase in the last phrase that everyone should choose for himself based on so many factors!
Or have you read it? Then I don't understand at all ...
But about the chest or the freezer - I remain with my firm opinion.
And, if you can, just believe me, a refrigerator with additional narrow shelves is "fucking convenient" unlike a refrigerator without shelves. "I kind of understand what I'm talking about. I've used everything with my own hands for more than one year on the farm ..." (sorry again for the quote from your post).
Bijou
Quote: Igrig
And, if you can, just believe me, a refrigerator with additional narrow shelves is "fucking convenient" unlike a refrigerator without shelves.
Scarecrow will be surprised ...

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