Fermenter Oursson FE0205D / GA

and which kefir tastes better with sourdough or prepared with the help of a mushroom? and where do you get this? I heard about tea and tried it, but I did not like it, and there is no water about kefir.

Once again I will ask, and by boiling what purpose we pursue, I just constantly take from the same person, I can drink not boiled, but I think that if you do not boil, you will get a * snotty * fermented milk product. Or not?

You can drink milk without boiling, but since it does not have sterility and any bacteria can get in, imagine what can "grow" in it during prolonged fermentation? It's even very dangerous.

[security]

... get a * snotty * fermented milk product ...

Undoubtedly!
Since, in addition to beneficial bacteria, pathogenic bacteria will develop!

Snotty and separation of whey, the first and most important sign of not a quality product!
Not complying with elementary requirements security a lot, as a result they get what they get and still blame everyone except themselves !!!

I remember an anecdote about this:
"There are two blondes (sorry, but you can't erase words from the song),
one states, after watching the movie,
"Everybody says that the film is for morons! And I LIKED it !!!"

You can drink milk without boiling, but since it does not have sterility and any bacteria can get in, imagine what can "grow" in it during prolonged fermentation?

I remember an anecdote about a weight loss diet on raw fruits ...
- Which ones?
- Yes, it doesn't matter, the main thing is unwashed!)))

but there is no water about kefir

Here is the topic and infa Tibetan kefir mushroom

Sour milk, yogurt, acidophilus, kefir, kumis and other lactic acid products

- Yes, it doesn't matter, the main thing is unwashed!)))

that's for sure, if they don't take the ambulance away

thanks to all)

Here is the topic and infa Tibetan kefir mushroom

Sour milk, yogurt, acidophilus, kefir, kumis and other lactic acid products

Thank you, I went to study

Kokoschka,
Lil, and a mushroom at this tempera. Do you feel well? Am I afraid of doing something on the kefir mushroom in Orson? And how long do you keep it there? Are you putting in a substrate?

Galya, I have already written about this in several posts.

Here, I took it out of the refrigerator on purpose.
Tara is like that, it's for tomorrow. In the morning I got up, strained, fished, hammered kefir fungus and a fermenter with fresh milk, for 8 hours on the 1st program.

That's how it stands there beautifully!

After 8 hours in the refrigerator, ripen until the next morning, I have been putting it this way for two days, I like the result!

I will answer, because I have already tried the mushroom in Orson and somewhere I have already written about it here.
The kefir mushroom has its own schedule, and if it is supposed to ferment for almost 12-24 hours, then it will! I withstood for about 6 hours, nothing happened, except for acidified liquid milk, after which I turned off the device and left the jar just on the table, by the morning I got kefir - as usual! and put it in the refrigerator for ripening. I don't experiment with the mushroom anymore

The temperature of the device did not affect the condition, color, quality of the mushroom - everything is normal! Continues to work, but in manual mode

Tanya I don't know, maybe there are different mushrooms too?

I did girls for several days in a row.
Always milk and fungus a full teaspoon per glass. I have 600 ml, so usually 2.5 teaspoons of mushroom with top, milk at room temperature. Nothing more.
It is fermented in about 7 hours, and then put into the refrigerator to ripen. in general, it turns out a day.
I really liked it, I don't add anything else to milk. Izbenka's milk.
1st program

You can drink milk without boiling,

Just like there are absolutely all mushrooms, but some - just once!

That's it, kick me out, or else I'm laughing ...)))

My mother had a cow for many years and I had a goat, and children always drank not boiled milk. If basic hygiene rules are followed, what are the problems?

That's it, kick me out, or else I'm laughing ...)))

What's funny? When the milk was boiled in the villages, all the children drank steam from under the cow.

[vernisag]

vernisag,

Yes, just fun that's all. By the way, I had to.

For some time, milk from a cow even has bactericidal properties (it protects itself from pathogens). But this is from under the cow and his own, in which he is sure: how he milked, how he washed his hands, where he poured. This does not apply to the purchased, stored. All the more so, then going to a long stay in the warmth. Here in the topic it seems like no one has their own cow.

I also bought milk for a long time, right from under the cow, went to the time of milking and waited while they milked, they drank not boiled for a long time, and then I started boiling anyway, just in case.
The mother-in-law kept the cow when they also always drank steam.

But that was before.,.

[vernisag]

vernisag, so if I could be sure that these very elementary ones are being observed ... Otherwise I lived in a miraculously ecologically clean place, and watched how the cows feed on the trash cans, and the rags through which they filter milk or tie a bucket are washed with cold water and dried on the porch railing or on the fence .. Great-grandmother said that her mother could caress with a yoke if you go to milk the cow without wearing a clean scarf and apron, and God forbid, without washing your hands and without washing .. About the obligatory procedure for washing the udder of a cow, I just keep quiet. .. But I didn't boil the cream, mind you, the shops were sterilized, and the sour cream turned out to be tough, sterilized everything, right down to the tabletop, on which Orsusha stands, and on you, here.

[PERSONAL]

For some time, milk from a cow even has bactericidal properties (it protects itself from pathogens). But this is from under the cow and his own, in which he is sure: how he milked, how he washed his hands, where he poured. This does not apply to the purchased, stored. All the more so, then going to a long stay in the warmth. Here in the topic it seems like no one has their own cow.

I will fully support, especially since there have already been flashed information about how modern people eat PERSONAL cows out of trash and roadside grass!

Or maybe someone thinks that they, on the local micro-district market, are brought milk from elite cows raised in ecologically clean, hard-to-reach, Alpine meadows ?!

I, even for free, would not drink such milk!

P.S. By the way, while I was writing, Ninelle just wrote about this too.

In this regard, modern factory production of milk is undoubtedly a guarantee of quality !!!

Girls! completely teased with their Orsonchik. Tell me, is sour milk just great different from that of their multicooker or yogurt maker?
A friend flies on vacation to Moscow, I can ask to bring it ... or will I manage?

[Mirabel]

Mirabel,

I don't see the difference, to be honest. I mean, I'm not talking about multicooker with the "yogurt" mode, I'm talking about yogurt makers (in cartoons, I always think that milk has a foreign smell from previous dishes, because of this I don't make milk in them). There are, of course, 3 modes, not 1 (in tefali, however, there are also 3, but completely different), the capacity is non-standard (high and round), in the yogurt mode I have really good yogurt. But I have a good one in the yogurt maker (I have round moulinex and the tefal was divided into 12 glasses). So don't panic. My Moulinex specifically overheats, I dislike him, and my family is large, there are three children and I do everything: sour cream, kefir, acidophilus, varenets, etc. Therefore, I have more than one device and both are rather big in terms of roominess.

I really got confused with whom I am on you, with whom on you .. If anything - do not kick in the corner, I will improve!

[Scarecrow]

Scarecrow, Natasha! Thank you so much!
I make yogurt, sour cream and fermented baked milk in a Philips multicooker in cans, so there are no foreign smells.
So I will live in peace, otherwise I just lost my peace.

[PRINCIPALLY]

Girls! completely teased with their Orsonchik. Tell me, is sour milk really different from that of their multicooker or yogurt maker?

Lord, give me strength!
Taste of yogurt PRINCIPALLY does not depend on the brand of your fermenter or yogurt maker !!!
It all depends only on how strictly the required nuances of the technology are observed !!!
That is, from compliance with sterility and temperature conditions and the starter itself!
How can this be achieved? This is a completely different question!

[Lone_Wolf]

Lone_WolfSuch excitement in this topic, so everyone perked up and got down to business, and this is all very contagious, you know ... so I asked.

[vernisag]

vernisag, Irina, and your cherry wine, not according to the recipe? Just 36 hours, not 7 days? 2 liters? Very interesting, the cherries will be there soon, while you can take the freezes, delicious?

So I will live in peace, otherwise I just lost my peace.

Pralna, don't worry, Vikus! If you are already doing great, then you shouldn't bother.
On the other hand ... And if you suddenly need your Philips? Well, that's straight to the edge (as I usually do)! And he will stand still for a few hours ... How to live then?
And the bear would have stood quietly on the sidelines and did not interfere, preparing sour milk, wonderful in all respects ...

Girls, hello. For a long time I have been reading your forum from the bushes. I bought a lot thanks to you. I saw the fermenter, lit up, order. He is waiting for me in M ​​Video, but due to the fact that it is far to go, he cooled down a little and began to reason logically. Do I need him. Help with advice. We don't eat milk. I want to take for kvass and wine, but I don't know if it's worth it? Who tried it, tell me how much kvass cooked in it differs from just cooked at room temperature?

[Elena Tim]

Elena Tim, Lena!stop it now!
Well, while I survive, Phillips makes sour milk at night mostly, in the near future I plan to buy a pressure cooker for Shteba.
But, if this bear (there was such a controversy about this, I didn’t understand a damn thing, I need to reread it carefully until the moderators cleaned it up) were sold here, I wouldn’t think too much. And so it is necessary to strain people, it is not very convenient. On Ibei, I don't see anything like that, I probably ask the wrong search.

[Hactrma]

Hactrma, Nastya! Woo. kvass interests me too much, and wines .. here are such wines .. that the question of home winemaking does not interest me at all, thank God.

[Vika]

Vika, it's not worth dragging him from Moscow)
I'm getting along without him for now. I have a cool yogurt maker, Shteba.
And a bear, well, if so to buy kvass.
Although I can do it in Shteba and see how it comes out))
While my Wishlist has not really flared up)

[excellent]

Tell me how much kvass cooked in it differs from just cooked at room temperature?

Excuse me, well, I always cook (and I'm not alone) excellent kvass at room temperature !!!
Before that, never, no problems arose!
Who you need to be to pay 3000 rubles, and without changing anything, you will receive as a result only 1 liter of kvass

No, well, he lived the same completely free and without problems!
But no, he showed civic consciousness!
I tried to warn about the inexpediency of spending such a significant amount of money!
Many people know the result.

P.S. Apparently Providence knows better, even twice decided to repeat my thought !!!
I removed the excess.
Which, objectively, is very nice!

until the moderators cleaned

Naive, everything interesting has already been cleaned!

[Nastya]

Nastya,
Logically speaking, I don't need it for milk either, I have an excellent yogurt maker.
I took it not even because of the kvass, in such a heat it will easily turn out on the window, although I put the kvass, it is much more convenient, it takes up little space, the eyes are not corns, and if we talk about devices, then with a manual mode in a multicooker from 30 degrees, it is possible put there.
But the mode "Wine / Tinctures" is what tempted me, although not drinking much, even almost completely, once somehow And yet ... soon their fruits will go, not all the same is eaten, there will be a curious wine on pure natural juice without any additives, preservatives, etc., etc. And if we talk about similar temperature conditions in multicooker, I don’t remember the mode of 20-25 degrees. And it is inappropriate to occupy a multicooker for a week, even if there are several of them, the fermenter takes up very little space

Naive, they've already cleaned everything up!

So someone will tell you in PM ..
Or you can ask for a recipe for your magic kvass.

[PRINCIPALLY]

Lord, give me strength!
Taste of yogurt PRINCIPALLY does not depend on the brand of your fermenter or yogurt maker !!!
It all depends only on how strictly the required nuances of the technology are observed !!!
That is, from compliance with sterility and temperature conditions and the starter itself!
How can this be achieved? This is a completely different question!

So that is all. Three years of silence. But the illiteracy hiding behind a bush of didactics trampled on the carelessly dormant ability not to react to cheap provocations. Even the most exquisite metaphor with the kefir mushroom, which does not need to be touched once more, did not help. Therefore, I am shouting in the language of numbers, which is understandable to any regular reader of the "Young Technician" magazine: after the first in the first, this is great, if only after the fifth in the third. She spoke out. I felt better.

Well, if so to buy kvass.
Although I can do it in Shteba and see how it comes out))

It would be very interesting!
And I also make kilomilk at Shteba, although I also have a yogurt maker Moulinex with glasses, but it's more convenient for me to do everything in one container!

[excellent]

Excuse me, well, I always cook (and I'm not alone) excellent kvass at room temperature !!!
Before that, never, no problems arose!
Who you need to be to pay 3000 rubles, and without changing anything, you will receive as a result only 1 liter of kvass

I agree about kvass, but I don't need 5-6 liters, but putting a little in plain sight seems to be frivolous, and pouring half a can of 3-liter ... I don't know how, but here I have a "otmaz" - the volume is
Well, not 3000, just like not 1 liter

[Masinen]

Masinen, no, well, you're just frightening me ... Even I bought it, so I’m a progmatic approach to purchasing equipment, and then I decided on one. At least for wine

I'm getting along without him for now.

Well, if so to buy kvass.

Q.E.D...
Man, I don't recognize thee straight! Are those here finally - Bread Maker or hde? You have so much to do! Even two Shteby ... and badly - not that two or three obligatory ones, but not even a single Bear (and even a Chernobyl one) Cizanafik, I am asking you carefully ?!
You are almost the first one who has all the necessary devices! And suddenly...
How are you going to look gray in our eyes now ?!
No, I just refuse to understand it ...

Having fallen down, Lan, write the address, I will dictate to them, they take TWO bears each ... So, two bears aaane ...

[Ninelle]

Ninelle, Ning, can I get sick

So, two bears aaane

I'll write it down, write it down
Exactly, I have a blow, it looks so sunny)

So that is all. Three years of silence. But the illiteracy hiding behind a bush of didactics trampled on the carelessly dormant ability not to react to cheap provocations. Even the most exquisite metaphor with the kefir mushroom, which does not need to be touched once more, did not help. Therefore, I am shouting in the language of numbers, which is understandable to any regular reader of the "Young Technician" magazine: after the first in the first, this is great, if only after the fifth in the third. She spoke out. I felt better.

Well this is necessary, what willpower! Three years and not a word! Come out of the bushes, it's more fun together! And please explain to me, I read the Young Technician 20 years ago, and I don't quite understand the phrase about the first, third and fifth ...

[Fermenter Oursson FE0205D / GA]

The topic somehow gradually begins to resemble verbal battles, quickly moving away from its name
Fermenter Oursson FE0205D / GA

Friends, let's on the topic or in the Tea Gazebo! (This is a request)

Maybe someone else needs - I am writing from Ashan-Altufevo: in Electrodisconte there are green bears for 2350 rubles. ))

[Lone_Wolf]

Lone_Wolf, why don't you get it right? Well, how can I explain it even more clearly ... okay, I'll try one last time ...
Kvass wine ferments beautifully at room temperature ... no one argues with that, but aesthetically ... it costs such a jar, it costs ... and with wine it is also often a glove to stick out and volumes, yes ... and a bear cub - ma -a-ah-lazy ... I poured 1.5-2 liters into it, plugged it in and pushed it in. After the allotted time, I pulled out and poured a quality product into containers ...
Next - milk ... It's more complicated - lactic acid cultures are very sensitive to temperature conditions, so you can, of course, wrap the jar with foil or something else, but you can't keep the set 35-40 degrees for 6-8 hours without a special device. Yes, you will get a fermented milk product, but ...
And the last thing - many people make milk in multicooker, but there is no mode from 20 (although it seemed that something appeared in some), but for many, these multicooker are loaded at the most I can not ... So why not buy ma-a- a-lazy such a device, for small amounts of something tasty, especially if finances allow and muzhzhzhzh do not mind?

Scarecrow, but where does the cover of the multicooker? Do you ferment right in the bowl?

And I also decided to support the fermenter's temka, I ordered a green one. If it is convenient for someone to buy through the MediaMarkt online store, I can send a coupon for 500 rubles. It is not very humane there, but at a discount it will be 2309. Write in a personal email address.

[Lone_Wolf]

Lone_Wolf, why don't you get it right? Well, how can I explain it even more clearly ... okay, I'll try one last time ...

It's useless after all ... Chel has been talking to himself for a long time on his own wave

Everyone knows that men and women think and see differently. So we will never talk to each other. Everyone has their own understanding and vision. I bought Orsonchik, although since childhood I have not eaten milk, but my husband loves. I tried the cooked yogurt - I liked it. M. b. in old age I'll start eating sour milk. I would not bother to cook in a multicooker, but here it is very convenient, and it looks beautiful in the kitchen. At night I go into the kitchen, and it glows so nicely with a green light

It's useless after all ... Chel has been talking to himself for a long time on his own wave

Or a person catches a buzz when we react violently or crazy about himself, from his own mind.
And Orsonchik has nothing to do with it.

[kirch]

At night I go into the kitchen, and it glows so nicely with a green light

kirch,
Oh, Lyud, and I'm waiting for you! Well, how is your kvass there? Haven't tried it yet?
And my second one turned out to be low-carbonated.
Probably in vain I praised myself ahead of time as a clever girl for putting in very little yeast.

[Ninelle]

NinelleThere are simply men who collect collections of airplanes, stamps, coins, etc., while there are women who buy clothes, cosmetics, kitchen appliances, etc. Both of them will never find a common language and understanding. We are all different, and this forum brought together those who are fond of the latter, and "for" or "against" kitchen appliances - this is a discussion of another forum

[kirch]

kirch,
Oh, Lyud, and I'm waiting for you! Well, how is your kvass there? Haven't tried it yet?
And my second one turned out to be low-carbonated.
Probably in vain I praised myself ahead of time as a clever girl for putting in very little yeast.

Of course, I also made the same brew, especially with regard to the scientific theoretical component ... But how many different brews we made, raisins are better aerated than ordinary yeast, and unwashed is better, but here I have a phobia, I wash everything. Rather, not me, but my husband, I give him such a task. Maybe it makes sense to look for wine yeast?

[Ninelle]

NinelleThere are just men who collect collections of airplanes, stamps, coins, etc., and there are women who buy clothes, cosmetics, kitchen appliances, etc.Both those and others will never find a common language and mutual understanding. We are all different, and this forum has brought together those who are fond of the latter, and "for" or "against" kitchen appliances - this is a discussion of another forum

I wonder why my husband understands? Out of despair, or what? ..... He even formed a rule when we buy a gadget, right there you need to cook something in it to get accustomed. Orsyushu wire and yells "at least put something!"

I wonder why my husband understands?

So I write that we are all different, there are those who understand, but there are those who do not accept anything, and such people cannot be remade. It is useless to argue with them. You can't prove anything anyway, they have their own truth

carbonates raisins better than regular yeast,

So I also added raisins.