Gerda1
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About the crust - there is such a suspicion that you are taking a large vessel to "withdraw" the leaven. I had a bowl, which I covered with a plate. In a small volume, the crust did not work
yeah, I already began to sin on this too, because there is nothing else

the cat will turn her over near the battery

A room thermometer stuck in the oven shows 28-30 degrees .. it’s like that, in the evening I will report what is happening to it

At my own peril and risk, I left the oven on for the whole day, I reassure myself only that it’s only 30 degrees and nothing will happen to it

Quote: Viki


Leave it warm for 24 hours (ideally 30-40 * C).
somehow like this
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Gerda1
I will keep my fists for you !!!!
Everything will work out! Even if she does not show signs of life, it is worth bringing the process to the end. Even a huge bubble says that life takes its toll.
I started a Frenchwoman and a rye semi-finished product - always the first time it worked. But the dense traditional, dense rye Sarycheva - well, they just don't want to be friends with me. Well, let. My dear Zakvassochka now serves faithfully and with might and main makes bread and bread, and rye, and whole grains, and long fermentation. And by choosing the ripening temperature for the sourdough, I get a different taste of bread.

Do not despair at all! Your work will still lead to an excellent result.

We will still bake your bread recipes here !!!

P.S. Or he can try to breed the leaven without wheat flour, only on rye. Unless, of course, there is no purpose to bring it out of wheat, only for wheat bread. New flour? Which one do you use? To do on a new moon - new moon 22.03, from the evening of 23 you can start, not long left.
Gerda1
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P.S. Or he can try to breed the leaven without wheat flour, only on rye. Unless, of course, there is no purpose to bring it out of wheat, only for wheat bread. New flour? Which one do you use? To do on a new moon - new moon 22.03, from the evening of 23 you can start, not long left.
thank you very much, I will try, but already for the new moon .. she doesn’t want to grow with me now, well, I’ll wait for the best time for leaven ... well, then I’ll persuade her and we will definitely make friends
And I just need wheat, we are more lovers of all kinds of buns / donuts
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It will definitely work out !!!!
Kara
In general, my starter history, apparently, did not work out. In an unequal match, the score is already 1: 0, but I'm afraid that very soon there will be 2: 0 not in my favor. My first attempt after 9 (!) Days of dancing with tambourines, lullabies for the night and this result French modern sourdough (liquid)
The bubbles are small, the rise is 0. I am in complete despair and ready to give up. I took into account all the recommendations: I put it on the new moon, I removed the dough from the fork with my fingers, the temperature did not drop below 30 degrees. Knead on peeled rye flour.
Girls, what am I doing wrong?
Omela
Ira, and rye flour is the same ??? Much depends on flour.

shl. Ha Vika will come, she will diagnose the bubbles.

Kara
Ksyu, the same rye flour. But this time the first day the leaven was completely different - it was airy. I was really happy. I concluded that it was cold first. Here's how, tell me, do you provide her with a temperature of at least 30 degrees? Keeping the oven on for three days is still a pleasure.
Omela
I will not say for everyone. Personally, no. She stood on the table in the kitchen. True, it's hot at me + 26 + 28C.
Kara
Duc I also have at least +27 in the kitchen, and even more next to the battery
Omela
Ira, I'm not a great starter specialist !! How many times did I, all the time stood on the table. But once I got it with flour - I fed it with rye and the leaven slowly and sadly bent.Began to feed the usual - everything is ok.
Viki
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Duc I also have at least +27 in the kitchen, and even more next to the battery
So now 27 will suit her perfectly.
At first, while there is an active acidification process, movements can be observed. And at the next stage, it picks up lactic acid bacteria, the waste products of which will become food for the yeast. There is no rise at this stage. This is what is happening with you now. They will accumulate enough and the yeast will begin to eat well and multiply actively, which will provide an uplift.
Please be patient and don't give up!
For each part of the sourdough, feed her the same amount of water and the same amount of flour a couple more times at least after 12 hours. There are bubbles, it should grow.
Omela
And it seems to me that it is liquidish .. I, in any case, was thicker.
Kara
Vika, so she NEVER rose normally, that is, it never doubled. The past, which ordered me to live a long time, I fed every 12 hours 1: 1: 1 NINE DAYS. Well the miracle never happened
Viki
Then you need to proceed from what is ...
I propose to make it thicker. One to knead with your hands. If that doesn't help ... no, well, it should. And then you can decide to live it thick or make it back liquid.
Onega
Everything is wonderfully written about the leaven, thanks! So today I decided to make a leaven for the first time. Do I need to cover the plastic container tightly with a lid or napkin on the first day and the next, so as not to wind up? Is it possible to feed the sourdough with flour, or is it better with 1 grade (both types of flour are available), because then I plan to bake bread from 1 grade flour with small additions of other types in general (purely c / w bread is not bake).
And I did not understand about 5 grams of sourdough, they are taken after 3 days of standing.
Take a clean jar and measure out 5 g of leaven. Add 20 g of water and stir well (with a fork). Add 20 g flour, stir well and cover. If the house is not hot (no more than 20 C), then maybe you will be able to get away from the second feeding a day. More details: https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...ion=com_smf&topic=33627.0
The main sourdough will be made from these 5 grams, and the rest will be poured out? Or is it for baking that 5 grams is taken from the main portion, the main portion is preserved?
And I still did not understand about the softening of the leaven, again we take 5 grams, feed it, and then where, into the bread, or mix it with the rest, or in general, pour the rest and grow the rejuvenated one?
And I still haven't figured out how to calculate the complementary food) sourdough from flour and water, ready for me to weigh and measure the same amount in grams of water and flour, i.e. 1 part of leaven: 1 part of flour: 1 part of water? Or somehow calculate the amount of flour and water in the original, but if I have fed her so many times, it will definitely not work (
Sorry, there are a lot of questions at stage 1
Viki
Onega, can I congratulate you on your initiative, or are you still thinking about "raising - not raising"?
The first page of this topic has all the answers to your questions. Answers 5 and 8. Well ... almost everything ... forget about 5 grams for now. About this not earlier than a week after the sourdough is ready. Take 5 g from a very young - and ruin it not long. But c. h. I do not recommend feeding with flour. Is that before baking c. h. bread and that, only that part of the leaven. what will go into this bread.
Onega
Thanks for the answer. I already started to grow the leaven, from lunchtime I kneaded the dough, as it was said, in a plastic container and covered it loosely with a lid, put it on the battery. But by the night it was covered with a crust (((I miscalculated a little with water,
120ml it turned out to be 117 grams, so now, after 9 hours, I sprinkled it with warm water. Is she dying?
Viki
Quote: Onega

Is she dying?
Not at all! Just remove the crust, close it with a lid, film, just a bag and you can tightly. The main thing is that there is free space inside the container. And it is better to put something on the battery (a plate, a bowl upside down, a plate, a grate ...) and a jar on top. Heating will be slightly more even.
Onega
Hurray, mine is a lively leaven, as in the photo! Now I will go for 2 complementary foods) 2 days. The third day is the most important, I will feed.It's not clear to me about anti-aging, I'm sorry. Poke your nose, where in detail, take the sourdough from the jar for bread and then another 5 grams from the sourdough, where else? And these 5 grams will be my main leaven for the next bread, am I feeding this? Or is these 5 grams, after abundant feeding, back into the jar to the remnants of the old ferment - is there a process of rejuvenation? Always take 5 grams, but the proportions are different water and flour?

Addition. For 3 day, the last complementary food - it puffs up well, such a pretty starter culture. After readiness, at the end of 3 days, how many grams should be left for breeding and in what proportion to feed, 1: 1: 1, how many days? Complementary feeding will depend on what temperature it is at? Control - doubled and it's time to feed? So? When they took it, throw the rest away and always like that, even if we don't bake the bread and stand in the refrigerator? How many days can I bake? I read the forum, but not everything is clear. Thank you)))
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Can I tutochki, with the permission of Viki, I'll post my experience. Maybe someone will come in handy
When growing a starter culture, questions arise, but they are nothing compared to those that arise during its application. "Bread Maker" site is just wonderful. But this is a forum, there is no article here - "do this, and you will have this and that", but there is a lot of invaluable experience, practical application and savvy developments

I grew my second Frenchwoman at 26-27 degrees (this is our room temperature). Everything went like clockwork.

The question arose about loaves. I wrote out a bunch of recipes, googled on "Breadmaker", 🔗, 🔗.

And here are my modest developments:

To understand how sourdough works, you can start with the simplest recipe:
starter cultures - 340 gr
flour - 400 gr
water - 200 gr (I added 230, I like softer dough - this way more airy, porous bread turns out)
salt - 1.5 - 2 tsp.
Optional - sugar - 1 tbsp. l., oil - 1 tbsp. l.

1) in the morning I take 1 tbsp. l. starter culture (20 - 25 grams) - mature, well-risen, filled with bubbles, slightly sour taste. I breed 50 gr. water, whip with a fork "without fanaticism" (thanks to Viki, otherwise I would have scored my poor thing). I add the remaining 100 grams of water. I mix well. It turns out a whitish liquid without pieces of dough. I add 150 grams of flour - wheat flour of the highest or first grade. Stir until smooth. This is the future leaven. I leave it at room temperature (I have 26-27 degrees) until the evening. In total, I have it ready in 10 hours. If it is on the windowsill - the temperature is 23-25 ​​degrees - 12 hours. If it is cooler, even longer. If it is colder in your house, it makes sense to add more "starter" - the initial starter culture. Not 1 tbsp. l., and 2-3 tbsp. l. The leaven will also ferment faster. In any case, I focus on its consistency, volume and taste. A good ripe sourdough is raised twice (for good visibility I use transparent containers, I have a liter jar on which I marked 50 ml marks with a marker, and I will add sourdough to bread in it). It is porous, raised with a hat, and has a slightly sour taste (I always try it).
Why it is important to use a good sourdough - I understood from my own bitter experience: the unfermented and fermented do not raise bread well, the crumb is dull. Fermented also gives the bread a sour taste - no sweetness of wheat bread

So, the leaven is ready:
2) I take the leaven, stir it with a fork in 200 (230) grams of water. I add 400 grams of flour. Stir until flour is wet. I leave the great dough for 20-30 minutes.
I take a mixer (I am now kneading the dough with it), sprinkle the dough with salt and sugar on top. I'm starting to knead. After a while I add some oil. It turns out to knead not very long (I'm lazy).

3) I spread the dough on the board, fold in a circle in the middle of the edge. A ball is formed. I put it in a greased bowl. Proofing - 3 hours or until doubled.
I set this time for myself by rereading many different recipes. So far, it suits me and falls under the "2 times increase".

4) I take out the dough. I flatten it a little. For round bread, fold the edges in the middle again. I turn it over, roll it up with my hands so that it is rounder. I put it in a greased bowl, seam up.Proofing - 2 hours, or again - until doubled. If I doubt the timing, I use the "typing" method: slightly press with your finger. If the hole rises quickly, it did not reach it; if it doesn’t rise, it has stopped. If it rises slowly but surely - ready!

5) 20 - 30 minutes before planting the bread, I heat up the oven with a 6 liter cauldron at the highest temperature. The bread came up, I put it on baking paper, and on it - into the cauldron, cover it with a lid, into the oven. I reduced the gas to 200 degrees and forgot it for 15 minutes (there is a good timer, you don't have to worry). After 15 minutes I remove the lid and bake without it for 35 minutes.
The finished bread is light, toasted, if you knock on the bottom - the sound is definite (as if you knock on the surface, behind which there is emptiness).

It's in the oven.

In the bread maker - the same thing.

I put salt in the bucket, then flour. Stir the leaven with water and pour over the flour. I have Panasonic, so the dry components are down. But sometimes I do the opposite. Does not affect the result. I put a program that immediately makes a batch (any - I use "dumplings"). After kneading, I turn off the bread maker and leave it for 3 hours. When the bread has risen twice, you can put on the "baking" program - 1 hour - 1 hour 15 minutes. It is better to set the time longer and then turn it off when necessary, than to set it less, and it will not be enough.

If I do not have time or want to leave the bread maker "unattended", then I add half a portion of yeast (in this recipe - 3/4 - 1 tsp. Dry), set the main program and go to do my own thing.

How do I store:

I take a little - less than half a teaspoon of a good mature sourdough, mix it with 20 grams of water (1 tablespoon), add 20 grams of flour (the same is about 1 tablespoon). I leave it on the windowsill (about 25 degrees) for 12 hours. After this time, I again take half a teaspoon…. I throw away the rest. But more often I leave my daughter - she adores her and begs her every day. You can give it to animals, you can dry it and then add it to yeast bread, you can store and bake waffles - that's how anyone likes, and for this there is a whole topic on the forum.
If I make a little more and twice as thick - for 1 part of water - 2 parts of flour, then I keep it warm for 1 hour and put it on the balcony for 3 days. There I have 12 - 15 degrees. But I check it every day, because the temperature is not stable, and the leaven may rise earlier. If you leave it, it will peroxide.
That is, the feeding regime is as follows: at 25 degrees - 2 times a day in a ratio of 1: 4: 4, 1: 5: 5 (leaven: water: flour), at 12 degrees - 3 days in a ratio of 1: 4: 8

Once a week I make a "full dressing": a drop of honey and a little rye flour. This is very useful for the leaven. Also, once a week, you can (or you can not do) softening - for a small part of the leaven, most of the water and flour are taken - 1:10:10. Such a procedure is carried out with a "crusty-sad" leaven, or simply to maintain tone. It turns out that I use a large proportion of sourdough for bread. Therefore, I do not rejuvenate
I always feed it with premium wheat flour. In the first grade, the sourdough ripens faster, and with the addition of rye flour or whole grain flour even faster. You have to watch the flour very carefully. There was once a case when the leaven did not like the flour, it became sad with it. When I changed the flour, it began to grow again, as if nothing had happened.

With my sourdough I bake not only wheat bread, but also pure rye and whole grain bread. For this I feed the starter with rye or whole grain flour. It is especially noted that whole grain feeding should be carried out with budded sourdough. That is, you need to select part of the sourdough and feed it with whole grain flour, and keep the other part in "pure form". This is done because whole grain flour is full of its own bacteria and they can drown out starter cultures, spoil our starter culture.

I collected all this information bit by bit on the forum, here and there. There are a lot of useful things - from Viki, Raisin, Arka, Admin and many, many other members of the forum. Something, of course, I forgot and did not write.

There are a lot of little things that become common with experience, made on the machine, and are not reflected in any recipe. But to a person who is just going to start the leaven or just brought it out, they do not seem self-evident, but seem very complicated. And so it was.

Good luck to all yeast breeders !!!!!

chicken
Ay - yes Novelty-vitamin! THANKS for the details from your starter's "private life". I always wanted to know how it is baked in a cauldron. I found out. Thank you.
Onega
New vitamin, thank you! And what to do with the refined leaven, these 5 grams with added flour and water? Pour back into the part where they were taken from (immediately pour there or wait when it comes up), or will it be a new corrected leaven, and dispose of the old part (from which they took 5g)? Well, I don't understand, I'm sorry ...
My leaven is ripe !!!! The end of 3 days, I will do the main one, grow it for bread!
I fed it at the rate of 100g 1: 1: 1, put it overnight, when is it better to start baking with it to get stronger? And how to count recipes with dry instant yeast for sourdough, there is no equivalent?
Kara
I use a fork "without fanaticism" (thanks to Viki, otherwise I would beat my poor thing).

I scored mine, probably because with fanaticism

I throw away the rest. But more often I leave my daughter - she adores her and begs her every day.

are we talking about raw dough now?

My experiments are still ongoing.

On the advice of Vicki, she transferred her lazy person to the category of thick ones, that is, after 12 hours, she added 60 grams of flour to 150 grams of sourdough. And lo and behold, she healed, in 16 hours she stretched twice, bubbled and smells a little sour, but tasty. Today at 22:00 I fed as usual, for 100 grams of sourdough, 100 grams of water and 100 grams of flour. Of course, it is thick, like the dough ready for baking. What to do next?
New vitamin
Quote: chicken

Ay - yes Novelty-vitamin! THANKS for the details from your starter's "private life". I always wanted to know how it is baked in a cauldron. I found out. Thank you.

I learned this from Raisin

Quote: Onega

New vitamin, thank you! And what to do with the refined leaven, these 5 grams with added flour and water? Pour back into the part where they were taken from (immediately pour there or wait when it comes up), or will it be a new corrected leaven, and dispose of the old part (from which they took 5g)? Well, I don't understand, I'm sorry ...
And how to count recipes with dry instant yeast for sourdough, there is no equivalent?

We take 5 grams from the jar, discard the rest. You can't do without leftovers that need to be disposed of. And you can not take it, but just feed the leftover sourdough on the walls of the jar - this is what the Summer Resident does with her raisin sourdough. We pour out, shake out, scrub our sourdough - either in bread, or in a trash can, or in a dog's plate, pour water into a jar, wash the walls and add flour.
Onega, but it is too early to rejuvenate your young woman, she still needs to gain strength
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... forget about 5 grams for now. About this not earlier than a week after the leaven is ready. Take 5 g from a very young - and ruin it not long.

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are we talking about raw dough now?
......
What to do next?

Yes, she loves raw dough. There is not much of it

How, what to do next?
Of course bake bread !!!!!!

Thanks for the kind words. I just wanted to share it somehow, and what if it will benefit someone
Kara
Vitamin, forgive me dark, but is it possible for a child to give raw dough? I am already silent about the fact that it is sour ...
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Vitamin, forgive me dark, but is it possible for a child to give raw dough? I am already silent about the fact that it is sour ...

Kara, it's okay, don't worry! The child does not consume it every day and in small quantities. As a child, did you like to pinch off a small piece while your mother was kneading something like that? In the topic "Stories from the life or adventures of leaveners" we are not the only such eaters of leaven.
Onega
My sourdough grows badly (on the 4th day, I fed 1: 1: 1 100g 1 time and 150g the second time, each increase is only 1/3, twice - the increase does not work (Stands in the kitchen, pace . 22-25 degrees. I changed the flour now, from grade 1 to general-purpose flour 77-5-25. What could be wrong? Although it smells normal, it bubbles so pretty. I dipped my fingers)
Viki
Quote: Onega

... smells normal, bubbles so pretty.
Spring ... flour moisture seems to be higher than normal. Give her a little more flour than water. We here tried to persuade such capricious French women according to the scheme: for the first time 100 g of sourdough + 100 g of water + 120 g of flour, and from the second feeding and then for every 100 g of sourdough, 100 g of water and 110 g of flour. So they agreed to double on such conditions.
vasaby872008
hello Viki! I want to raise a "Frenchwoman". I can maintain a temperature of 30 degrees in a yogurt maker. For this I bought a special thermostat that regulates the temperature up to 99 degrees. Questions: - what is the best temperature 30-32 or 35-37 degrees; - the yogurt maker is closed with a lid, is it possible or not?
Onega
And my sourdough doesn't want to grow in any way (I've been growing for two weeks, I haven't been able to bake more than one bread. It bubbles well, the smell is pleasant, but it doesn't want to double in size. I feed it as expected, after 12 hours, even if it doesn't increase, although the color is a healthy sourdough, as in the photo.Maybe it is cold at room temperature, I don’t know what to do with it, but it’s a pity to pour it out.
Viki
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I want to raise a "Frenchwoman". I can maintain a temperature of 30 degrees in a yogurt maker.
I raised my first Frenchwoman in a yogurt maker. At 30 degrees. She put a paper towel on the bottom. It was two-layered, so I folded it four more. So that the jar is not heated much. It seemed right to me then. I did not close the lid. Thermometer on the jar on top of the lid lying. It was constantly 30. I have Moulinex and no regulator. The leaven has grown. I hope yours will grow too. Good luck to you!
lenochka197
Hello starters. Can someone tell me what sourdough should taste like? I raised her, divided her into two parts, one I feed with rye flour, the other with wheat. I feed one to one once a day. Lives on the window, it is cool enough there, manages to rise, bubble, but not fall. I tasted it, but it's bitter. Baking and wheat-rye and wheat, the taste is not bad. But there is a little bitterness in rye. So what should it taste like?
Viki
Quote: lenochka197

I tasted it, but it's bitter. Baking and wheat-rye and wheat, the taste is not bad. But there is a little bitterness in rye. So what should it taste like?
Is the flour all right? How long does it last? We already had a bitter one here, but it was on whole grain flour, which was stored longer than the prescribed period.
Sour - yes, but there should be no bitterness.
lenochka197
Thank you for responding. The flour seems to be all right. I already fed her one to four, until the taste is completely fresh, and as it starts to rise and bubble, bitterness appears. I'll try to change the flour, and if it doesn't help, should I grow new?
kava
But I can't grow it. It smells nice (doesn't stink), the bubbles are VERY small and only on top, it tastes sour. : pardon: I feed it for a week and everything is empty. On the first day, the rise - the flight is normal, the second is so-so, and on the third day it falls into suspended animation (until my nerves and torment run out). Well, the toilet is the final destination. It's a shame. Well, if I had never raised, but here is an ambush. Last 3 attempts with the same outcome.
lenochka197
Kava do not despair. Everything will work out. Mine has grown but does not bring joy, that's bitter and that's it. But Viki was probably right. It's about flour, it's normal in terms of timing, but I tasted it on my tongue and it really tastes bitter. So I'll try again, but flour first. Let's get together And we will definitely bake everything and surprise everyone!
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Quote: lenochka197

Kava do not despair. Everything will work out.Mine has grown but does not bring joy, that's bitter and that's it. But Viki was probably right. It's about flour, it's normal in terms of timing, but I tasted it on my tongue and it really tastes bitter. So I will try again, but first the flour. Let's get together And we will definitely bake everything and surprise everyone!

Kava, Moon in decline decreasing. Does not allow the leaven to rise
Yeast is necessary in it, yeast Can sprinkle malt or bran into it?

Quote: lenochka197

Mine has grown but does not bring joy, that's bitter and that's it. But Viki was probably right. It's about flour, it's normal in terms of timing, but I tasted it on my tongue and it really tastes bitter. So I will try again, but first the flour.
Don't throw it away !!! Just feed with normal flour! Can will carry
Kara
Eh, and after 1.5 months and 3 unsuccessful attempts (already sorry for the toilet), I gave up the idea. I changed the flour and maintained the temperature (I didn't babysit with my son like that), and she's like Kav's, the first 2 days - just lovely, and then it was as if under anesthesia. And she tried to bake bread on it, my heart was bleeding when I threw everything into the trash. And she danced with tambourines with the moon.It's not time yet ...
New vitamin
Girls! Once I grew a sourdough and doubted that the kitchen temperature of 26-27 degrees would be enough for development. I decided to find a warmer place - I put it on the computer processor in the nursery. As a result, I got a shaggy horror, which also stinks horribly.
I left the next one in the kitchen - on the table. In a bowl, covered with a plate. And since I am very greedy economical - only half a portion. She probably liked the kitchen bacteria better - already the first rye part was swollen, so disgusting, smelly. And after wheat - very good. And it seems to me that you shouldn't give it to acid in the first days. I deliberately decided to start when my daughters and I were on sick leave in order to control the process. As soon as it rises, I feed her. And the bacterial yeast bomb has blossomed!
Now I can’t catch it, it’s acidifying - we are already hot - on the street 25, and at home - 30
Tried - French modern, traditional, eternal, Sarychev, Misha (crucid), semi-finished rye. And not everything worked out the first time. Some even from the second. Traditional and Sarychev did not give in. Eternal, too, somehow not very much, I had to correct homemade malt.
Do not quit - find your own, which will allow you to make friends. After all, even in neighboring apartments there will be different sets of bacteria. Maybe kefir Admin will do, and then - overfeeding into French. A?
After growing the eternal, it seems to me that there is not enough yeast in the "non-rising" ferments. Sour - bred, yeast is not allowed Try adding bran, whole grain flour, sprouted grain (malt), i.e. natural yeast carriers.
New vitamin
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Eh, and after 1.5 months and 3 unsuccessful attempts (already sorry for the toilet), I gave up the idea. I changed the flour and maintained the temperature (I didn't babysit with my son like that), and she's like Kav's, the first 2 days - just lovely, and then it was as if under anesthesia. And I tried to bake bread on it, my heart was bleeding when I threw everything into the trash. And she danced with tambourines with the moon.It's not time yet ...
In order not to despair, you can try to bake the first time on sourdough with the addition of half of the yeast norm. The result will be, the mood will rise, the sourdough will get stronger. And then you can switch to pure starter culture!
Kara
Eh, Vitaminka ... that's what I have been doing all these ten weeks
New vitamin
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Eh, Vitaminka ... that's what I have been doing all these ten weeks

Kara! I'll break all the rules right now!
If you haven't thrown away your starter - let's check my "version" - try this:
take one tablespoon "naughty", add 100 gr. water and 100 grams of premium flour, a pinch of rye or bran flour (just not "poop", which are sold in stores, but loose, real). If there is no bran, just grind the grain in a coffee grinder and add. Watch her - how she behaves, what bubbles.What happened 12 hours later.

Another question - what kind of rye flour and malt were used for the plant, and what kind of wheat was fed (directly by brands)? My sourdough does not like the flour of one local mill at all. And on the other it grows and smells. The ringleader - on rye wallpaper "Belovodye" and peeled "Raz-i-kvass". I feed for storage only the highest grade of local production.
Try changing the flour! And rye and wheat! And also - do not put the leaven right on the new moon. This is a bad day. No hair is cut on it, no plants are planted. Better the day after the new moon

Another question - about water - which one do you use? From the tap, filter. And there were cases when silvered water from the filter disinfected the leaven

What does it taste like for you?
Kara
Vitaminka, so this is how I report:
- the first attempt was made on peeled rye flour "Sokolnicheskaya", malt "Divinka". She fed wheat "McFoy"
- the second - put on a dark rye French TYPE 150, fed both Macfoy and wheat "French thing"

At first I took only boiled water, then from the filter. But you can't get out of the tap, we have such nasty stuff flowing from there

Both times I fed 100 + 100 + 100 for two weeks. It smelled delicious apples, bubbled superbly, but did not rise! well, perhaps 115 percent. If I put half a portion of yeast with the sourdough, it turned out to be excellent bread. And alone with the leaven - the sole .....

I threw out both of them tired for a month and a half to get up at 5 in the morning to no avail
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- put the first attempt on peeled rye flour "Sokolnicheskaya", malt "Divinka". She fed wheat "McFoy"
- the second - put on a dark rye French TYPE 150, fed both Macfoy and wheat "French thing"

At first I took only boiled water, then from the filter. But you can't get out of the tap, we have such nasty stuff flowing from there

Both times I fed 100 + 100 + 100 for two weeks. It smelled delicious apples, bubbled superbly, but did not rise! well, perhaps 115 percent. If I put half a portion of yeast with the sourdough, it turned out to be excellent bread. And alone with the leaven - the sole .....

I threw out both of them tired for a month and a half to get up at 5 in the morning to no avail

Yes, with water - an ambush. We carry it from the spring; the leaven likes it better than from the tap. But if there is no spring, then I defend the water supply for two days. And it is better to take wallpaper flour - it contains more DYKY yeast. And not frozen. The bacteria also die from frost. Bacteria, they not only fly into the leaven from the air - they contain more in the flour itself.

100: 100: 100 - no need, Take one tablespoon (this is about 20 grams) and feed 100 water, 100 flour and a pinch of malt-bran-whole grain flour-rye flour. If lactic acid bacteria have multiplied in the leaven, but the yeast is bad (yeast is primarily responsible for the rise), and you take 100: 100: 100 for 12 hours, the fermented milk will multiply again and the yeast will clog. By the way, certain types of fermented milk also give a certain amount of gases. But the main rise of the dough still depends on the yeast.

Now I see the following picture with my leaven:
We have a heat - 30 degrees. The place is cooler - only in the refrigerator. And my sourdough peroxides mercilessly. I can only feed her after 12 hours. You have to feed in very large proportions. But still sour, not the same as before. In the cold season, before my arrival home, it rose, was airy, permeated with large and small bubbles and slightly sour in taste, viscous, with intact gluten. Now it is distinctly sour. And as a result, climbing became much worse. Small bubbles, gluten breaks down, no stringiness. That is, I guess so - yeast is dying out
The same story was with my last year's Frenchwoman Eh, I'll have to wait for autumn and start a new one.

KaraIf you are not an active opponent of industrial yeast, I highly recommend starting with Viki Rye Convenience. A very, very good thing! Feel - what is leaven and what it is eaten with
You can also bake wheat bread on it, feeding it with wheat flour. And if it's completely white, dilute the leaven with water and strain through a rag, pour wheat flour into the water - and howling la - wheat leaven without a gram of rye!
Kara
Thank you very much for your detailed comments, patience and attention to us. mediocre for beginners I'll try to try (well, I said) again
New vitamin
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Thank you very much for your detailed comments, patience and attention to us. mediocre for beginners I'll try to try (well, I said) again

Yes, we ourselves, that. Not very much yet
euge
Greetings to all! Girls, how sorry I am for all those who didn't get the leaven. I want to help them and others too. I grew my rye liquid with half a turn, she is already 1 month old, and yesterday she, after 2 hours of ripening after "feeding" for 2 hours, or rather after 1 hour 55 minutes, raised the dough 3 cm below the edge of the bucket for 900 - gram baking. In terms of all the flour in the dough, it was only 510g. The finished bread was 15cm high, fluffy, airy. And so the sourdough: take a measuring glass, put 1 dessert spoon of yogurt in it, add warm unboiled water to 90 ml, stir and pour into a glass jar with a capacity of 700-800 ml. Weigh 60g of peeled rye flour. Knead the dough, mix thoroughly, for this purpose I use a wooden "Chinese" stick. Cover the jar with food. foil and put in a warm place for 32 hours. During this time, nothing will happen visually in the bank. Feel free to take a jar, pour 90 ml of warm water into it and add 60 g of rye flour. Knead the dough thoroughly with a wooden stick. Cover again with a film, securing it with a rubber ring, make several punctures in the film with a toothpick. Return the bank to its original place with a temperature of 30 to 40 * C. After 2 hours, the leaven, which has risen to the top of the jar, is ready. It can be besieged and placed in the cold in the area where the temperature is higher. I have this shelf at the door, you can on the shelf of the door. For baking breads, mainly wheat-rye, I take as much sourdough as it contains rye flour according to the recipe, if you need more flour, then pour water, add the missing rye flour and add the missing rye flour to a warm place for 2 hours. If you used all the sourdough, then the can wash, and pour 90 ml of warm water, use a stick to wash the walls, add 60 g of rye flour, knead the dough, and for 2 hours in a warm place. When the sourdough is already about 2 weeks old or more, put the jar in the hol-k on a plate-saucer, as the sourdough makes attempts to escape, from which it is held back by the film fixed on the jar. From baking to baking, I don’t bother or feed her. I bake 2 times a week. When kneading breads, remember that you have a 150% hydration leaven.
Kara
euge, but is a French woman kneaded on yogurt and fed only with rye flour? what if I want white bread? Your sourdough is great, no doubt, but not French at all, I think. Let the guru correct me if I'm wrong.
Catwoman
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euge, but is a French woman kneaded on yogurt and fed only with rye flour? what if I want white bread? Your sourdough is great, no doubt, but not French at all, I think. Let the guru correct me if I'm wrong.

I have been using modern French liquid for more than two years, rye flour is used only on the first day, when we knead it, and then only water and white flour. True, I do not consider myself a guru in this business, but euge is clearly not a Frenchwoman.
euge
No, she is far from French. I just don't know where to put it. I read how people toil here, trying to grow leaven. And this one is so simple, does not require intermediate dressings, when it is grown, nothing needs to be thrown away, it is ready for action with the dough after 34 hours. And for wheat baking, I just overfeed it the day before, using only 25g as a starter.And the yoghurt additive in the first batch of sourdough gives it a direction for sour-milk fermentation with bacteria beneficial to humans. And you don't need to keep it more than 300g. After feeding and warming up for 2 hours at 30-40 * C, it is already at the withers, grows to max and quietly falls off, waiting for application.

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