Natalie@
Elena, I don’t argue. I wrote - IMHO. It is profitable for you to save gas, but not for me. You have a big house, I have an ordinary apartment. You cook the compote for about an hour on gas, I - for about 20 minutes (the water boiled, the berries and sugar threw in and immediately turned off).
In general, cooking on gas, as for me, is the last century.
Not economical. Not effective. Not environmentally friendly and expensive
And this is also someone like. I have relatives in Kiev, they have electric stoves in their house, they have multi-pressure cookers, but they say they dream of a gas stove. And I agree with them. You can't make so many pies, or cakes on a cake, or grilled chicken in a multicooker. You can, of course, have a lot of other equipment: aero grills and so on, but not everyone has a huge house. I have nowhere even to stick a pressure cooker. So who like, who like ...
Natalie@
Quote: CurlySue
I closed the lid, but I didn’t screw it down, I just closed it. The steam valve was closed in my opinion (not sure).
As a result, when the lock hole began to whistle slightly, I decided that was enough and tried to open it. But the lid did not open, and I had to twist it a little to the left and right, and lift it. In my subjective opinion, the pressure was still a little. Otherwise, the lid would not have "sucked in" and it would have easily opened immediately. But these are my personal conclusions. I do not pretend to be true.
It wasn't pressure. She was really sucked. Haven't you tried to fill the plates with ready-made food and close the lid after complete cooking and letting off steam? And then a few minutes later, get some extras? The lid sucks, although the cartoon is already disconnected from the electricity and opened before.
ElenaMart
Elena, off topic, but from April 1, the limit of 2500 will not be taken into account, and 200 cubic meters per month during the heating season at a "preferential" () price of 3600.
Alisa_t
Quote: CurlySue
On the stove, I cook the compote for about an hour. And I cook 2-3 times a week. It turns out about 2-3 hours of cooking on gas.
If I cook in a pressure cooker, then 20-25 minutes of the total cooking time will be enough. That is, in time - 2-2.5 times faster.

Since we are talking about saving ... It's not about time, but about the amount of ee or gas spent.

Recently I conducted an experiment, I calculated how many m3 of gas will go to boil 0.5 liters of water in a kettle. Then she boiled the same amount with an electric kettle. As a result, gas is more expensive. When uh will be 1.63 UAH. (in 2017, it seems), the cost of electricity will be more expensive by a penny. So for now, uh.
Alisa_t
Quote: Natalie @
You can't make so many pies, or cakes on a cake, or grilled chicken in a multicooker.
of course you can't. But you can buy a large electric oven, it will be no worse than a gas one. With the current gas tariffs, given the fact that there are usually no meters in apartments, one should be glad that there is no gas.
Natalie@
Quote: Alisa_t

Since we are talking about saving ... It's not about time, but about the amount of ee or gas spent.

Recently I conducted an experiment, I calculated how many m3 of gas will go to boil 0.5 liters of water in a kettle. Then she boiled the same amount with an electric kettle. As a result, gas is more expensive. When uh will be 1.63 UAH. (in 2017, it seems), the cost of electricity will be more expensive by a penny. So for now, uh.
Lena, I guess the count is wrong. My kettle takes 2.5 kW of light per hour, and the pressure cooker 900 Watts. For the accuracy of the calculation, it was necessary to boil in a pressure cooker, and not in a kettle.
Alisa_t
I compared the electric kettle and boiling on gas. I haven't measured how much ee it will take to boil in SCR - you need to know how to boil water for tea. In SLE, in any case, I will not make tea ... But it will be necessary to boil in SLE too - such information will also be useful.
Natalie@
Quote: Alisa_t

of course you can't.But you can buy a large electric oven, it will be no worse than a gas one. With the current gas tariffs, given the fact that there are usually no meters in apartments, one should be glad that there is no gas.
Lena, didn't you hear me either? WHERE should I put this oven if I have a kitchen of 3 squares? I CANNOT replace a gas oven with an electric one, THERE IS NO SENSE. Our hot water is heated by a column (not centralized, not by a boiler, but by an ingenious device of the times of the USSR - a gas water heater). At least shoot me - I turn on the gas with this Miracle. And I have a counter. Believe me, there are 3 people for a family, with cooking on gas + hot water is heated by a column - MAXIMUM 40 cubic meters of gas per month. At the new price - 7.18 per cubic meter, this is UAH 287.20. If I remove the gas water heater and put the boiler on at least 50 liters, then only the boiler will draw light for 250-300 UAH / month (at the old price for light - UAH 0.36, and for the new one - for someone for 100 kW - UAH 0.68) (for parents it costs 50 liters, 2 people in a family, 250-300 for light). Plus cooking and other equipment.
So girls, I heard you all, but ..... I repeat that everyone has their own situevina.
No, I am not urging you to switch to gas! I just want to say that SOMETIMES, gas can also be used.
Natalie@
Quote: Alisa_t

In SLE, in any case, I will not make tea ... But it will be necessary to boil in SLE too - such information will also be useful.
It's not about drinking tea from SLE, but about what is more profitable - electricity or gas? Boiling soup is boiling water +/-
Alisa_t
Quote: Natalie @
I CANNOT replace a gas oven with an electric one, THERE IS NO SENSE
so I'm about friends who are out of gas and really want it

Quote: Natalie @
It's not about drinking tea from SLE, but about what is more profitable - electricity or gas? Boiling soup is boiling water +/-
quite right. So far I've only experimented with a teapot.

of course, if there is gas, there is no meter for it, you need to actively use it
Alisa_t
I have different information on the boiler. Some say that it is about 100 kW, some 200-300 kW ... only for the boiler.

Natalie@
Friends wanted gas not because of the price, but because of the speed. They have an electric oven, but they don't like it. When they come to me, they constantly admire. I understand that it's all about the "newness of the model". Maybe they should buy a more modern email. oven and they will be happy ...

Lena, how do you conduct the experiment - write. I was very interested. Probably I'll come home from work and calculate in the evening, specifically for my own conditions, which is more profitable? Moreover, I have a gas meter, and I can definitely calculate how much gas I have.
Alisa_t
ok, I will definitely write.

The point is not that there are only 40 m3 of gas. If, uh, it's cheaper, why not save some money ?!

Natalie@
So no one is against saving. The conversation began with cooking compote. Someone considered it profitable to cook in the MCV (who cooks it for an hour on gas), while others did not (who cooks for 20 minutes), that's all. In any case, it is necessary to conduct an "experiment" of boiling, and then it will be 100% clear which is more profitable.
Alisa_t
I wedged in only with savings. After reading "it is profitable to save gas" I thought it would be interesting.

Without tying it at all to compote
Natalie@
Well, I understood your idea.
You know, you can get home from work by minibus in 10 minutes, but at the same time pay money. Walking will be cheaper - but long. And you can take a taxi in 2 minutes, but even more expensive ..... The problem of choice.
Alisa_t
yes, the eternal problem of choice
Slavutchanka
We have email in our apartment. a stove and I will not exchange it for a gas one. At the dacha gas surface, oven (built-in electric). At the dacha, I practically don't cook on gas - there are cartoons and SV. At home, in the kitchen, hot water was generally cut off and a 15-liter boiler was installed (it went perfectly under the sink). because we use little hot water - there is a dishwasher
Natalie@
Here, you see, a dishwasher was added from the appliances in the kitchen - and the hot water can be turned off altogether. This is what I said, everyone has their own situevina and freedom of choice.
fox
Quote: olga4166
I like this cabbage ... I cook on Buckwheat for no more than 5 minutes ...
For the test, I prepared a half of a saucepan on the manual for 5 minutes - the potatoes were boiled, the cabbage was even soft and there was almost no liquid. Thanks for the link.
olga4166
Quote: fox

For the test, I prepared a half of a saucepan on the manual for 5 minutes - the potatoes were boiled, the cabbage was even soft and there was almost no liquid. Thanks for the link.
... glad you liked!
CurlySue
Quote: Alisa_t
You can't make so many pies, or cakes on a cake, or grilled chicken in a multicooker.
of course you can't. But you can buy a large electric oven, it will be no worse than a gas one.
100%
I love electric ovens, they bake much better and more evenly (if good, of course).
I had an induction cooker and a convection oven, Hotpoint Ariston, I had to part with it 2.5 years ago, having moved to a private house, because if I connected it, I would have to pay for the third phase supply about 10 thousand UAH. It was a lot of money then.
So here, too, gas ovens are the last century.

Although that, of course, is not about that.
And about the fact that, in my opinion, I will definitely have savings when cooking in a pressure cooker: in monetary terms, since cooking with gas is low-tech (with large losses of excess gas that goes to the sides ... without heating the container itself in which the food is prepared),
and in terms of gas savings. It is more profitable for me to spend electricity for the reasons described above.
CurlySue
Quote: Natalie @
Friends wanted gas not because of the price, but because of the speed. They have an electric oven, but they don't like it. When they come to me, they constantly admire. I understand that it's all about the "newness of the model". Maybe they should buy a more modern email. oven and they will be happy ...
In-in, very rightly noticed!
I had an old stove + electric oven, you know, made in a scoop, a huge one, with 4 pancakes on top.
She basked for a long time and ate do the heck lot.
Then I bought a modern one, and pastries became just a fairy tale for me. It is a pity, it did not last long - only a couple of years, I had to not part with the move to the house and leave it to the new owners of the apartment (it was very expensive to put the 3rd phase in the house here).
I use a gas stove. Already 2.5 years. But less and less. Literally once every 2-3 days.
I completely switched to cooking in a multicooker, a pressure cooker and a Dex electric tabletop oven.
Faster. Delicious. More economical. You don't need to run every 5 minutes to check or interfere.
Natalie@
Quote: CurlySue

I use a gas stove. Already 2.5 years. But less and less. Literally once every 2-3 days
Well, finally, CurlySue sounded what I was talking about, only they heard me badly And what am I talking about? I told you about the gas stove in the context of some dishes. It's just that everyone has their own circumstances. It makes sense to me in email. there is practically no oven, I hate baking once a month I can run off the gas will not die, and email. buy an oven, spend money on a unit that is not needed .... doubtful. The problem of choice, gentlemen ...
CurlySue
Quote: Natalie @
The problem of choice, gentlemen ...
Well, this is not a problem of the impossibility of cooking on an electric stove or multicooker, as such. It's just a private situation.
On a tabletop induction hob for 1 panel, measuring 25x30 cm, you can cook everything the same as on gas - in a saucepan or pan.
If you live in an apartment, and without a gas meter (like almost everyone), you will pay from April 1 to 7.18 UAH per kilowatt. And you don't care how much you twist, you will still pay on a piece of paper,
and if a person lives in a private house and with a meter, then according to the new norms, 200 kilowatts per month will need to be very economical in gas consumption,
to pay 3.50 instead of 7.18
And in this case, the purchase of a multicooker (pressure cooker) or induction tabletop cooker will pay off in just a few months.
Areanda
CurlySue, please write on which program did you like the compote more "SOUP" or "Steamer"?
Natalie@
Quote: CurlySue
If you live in an apartment, and without a gas meter (like almost everyone), you will pay from April 1 to 7.18 UAH per kilowatt. And you don't care how much you twist, you will still pay on a piece of paper,
and if a person lives in a private house and with a meter, then according to the new norms, 200 kilowatts per month will need to be very economical to use gas,
to pay 3.50 instead of 7.18
I just have a gas meter, and I will pay 7.18 per cubic meter of gas, but only for those cubes that I actually clocked. We also need to use gas sparingly, because for apartments that are heated by the state, even in winter gas at 7.18.
Natalie@
And now I will describe my yesterday's experiment, which prompted me Alisa_t
I decided to calculate what is actually more economical - gas or light?
She boiled 0.5 liters of water in a kettle on gas and in our Field on the "Soup" mode up to the "P" mark. Since the lid cannot be opened, and to see at what point in time everything boiled there, I decided that the water boils most actively before the pressure builds up, which means more light is used.
Naturally, the final result may depend on the initial temperature of the water, the voltage in the network, the selected mode in the fast machine, etc. ... But, let's omit these details, no one of course measured this.
For the purity of the experiment during Poly's work, absolutely all electrical appliances in the house were turned off, even those that were in standby mode

So, the kettle on gas boiled for 4 minutes and turned on 0.011 cubic meters of gas. 0.011 x 7.18 = 0.078 or about 0.08 UAH.

The water in the Field up to the "P" mark boiled for 8 minutes and turned on 120 watts of light. 0.12 x 0.63 = 0.075 or approximately 0.08 UAH

Conclusion: NO SAVINGS! There is only ease of use. No need to stir, watch out so that it does not boil away. Well, in spite of the fact that the water in the Field boiled 4 minutes later, the extinguishing in it is faster than in the oven. Savings can only be hidden here.

Who does not believe, check it yourself.
Alisa_t
I thought a little differently

it took me 0.015 m3 of gas to boil 0.5 liters of water on gas. Most likely, the temperature of the filled water was lower
0.015 * 7.18 = 0.1077 UAH

the same 0.5 liters of water in the Field took 7 minutes 40 seconds. Pressure 3, steamer mode. I did not count on the counter, I calculated as follows:
3600 sec-0.9kW
460sec = 0.115 kW (through the proportion 0.9 * 460/3600)
0.115 * 0.63 = 0.073 UAH

the numbers are close.

The benefit for the electric kettle was a little more, I don't remember exactly, the time spent seems to be 160 seconds, I don't remember the power either, I measured it with someone else's kettle.
Natalie@
Well, that's what it was required to prove. The numbers are close. +/- minutes or seconds is really the water temperature. Maybe my Fields began to boil in 7 minutes 40 seconds, I looked at the analog clock, so I did not take into account the seconds. By the way, I counted the amount of light spent on the Field in the same way as you, based on the time and consumption of 900 watts / hour, and not from the meter reading (8 * 900: 60 = 120)
By the way, about email. teapot. I have the same kettle in the country boiling faster than at home. Apparently the overall load on the network at home is greater.
MarinaRas
Girls, the whole forum is impossible to reread. Tell me please. I decided to cook compote. Incl. SUP mode 15 minutes. As a result, it "warmed up" for 25 minutes, then the pressure turned on. After 15 minutes, I immediately turned off the heating mode and waited a long time for the "system to unlock". After 20 minutes, the pressure had to be removed manually. As a result, everything took an hour. But I don't really like the steam room when releasing the pressure. Tell me - what am I doing wrong?
Natalie@
Marina, we did everything right. To reduce the time, you can try pouring hot water into the cartoon, or choose another mode, reduce the time. I think that 15 minutes for compote is too much. In 15 minutes, you can cook a full soup.
And the steam is inevitable. That's why she is a "multicooker with pressure"
CurlySue
Marina, you are doing everything right.
If you need to extract the compote faster, I would still release the pressure immediately after cooking. I like it - I don't like the steam from the valve - this is your decision.
I let myself down all the time after cooking, I have to wait 20-30 minutes.

If it is not urgently needed, then you can generally reduce the time of the soup regime to 10-15 minutes,
some girls write that 5 minutes is enough for them for a compote (meaning, of course, the countdown from the moment of boiling, when the countdown begins on the indicator).
Alisa_t
You can manually relieve pressure immediately. But this is not a mistake, that is, everything is correct.

for about 25 minutes she not only warmed up, but brought the water to a boil, this is not as fast as we would like
CurlySue
Quote: Natalie @
Well, that's what it was required to prove.
Girls, you are such great fellows ... Honestly, I would just be broke to count all this.
Thank you!
Still, you took the shortest operation for comparison - boiling water.
And if, for example, you need to boil bones with meat for borscht (this is what I often do), or boil homemade chicken, or make jellied meat - then here, I'm sure - Fields will win in terms of economy,
because I cook meat with bones on gas for about 1.5 hours until the meat from the bone can be separated by hand
or homemade chicken.
Fields copes with this task in 30 minutes on the "Meat on the bone" mode.
Natalie@
Quote: CurlySue

Girls, you are such great fellows ... Honestly, I would just be broke to count all this.
Thank you!
Still, you took the shortest operation for comparison - boiling water.
And if, for example, you need to boil bones with meat for borscht (this is what I often do), or boil homemade chicken, or make jellied meat - then here, I'm sure - Fields will win in terms of economy,
because I cook meat with bones on gas for about 1.5 hours until the meat from the bone can be separated by hand
or homemade chicken.
Fields copes with this task in 30 minutes on the "Meat on the bone" mode.
Elena, of course, depends on what to do. I wrote that the savings lie in such operations as stewing ... Of course, meat, especially homemade chicken on gas will be cooked to the point of madness.Therefore, I made the following conclusion for myself:
soup
compote
simple dishes that do not require stewing or stewing - they do not bring much savings, only comfort. And here:
meat
chill
stewing potatoes and vegetables - there will be savings! After all, a gas burner in the oven is not a comfort, and it takes a lot of gas.
But ... if someone loves to bake pies ... then you won't be able to save money, unfortunately ...
CurlySue
Quote: Natalie @
But ... if someone loves to bake pies ... then you won't be able to save money, unfortunately ...
Alas. I ran the electric oven 3 times yesterday. I'll be there today.
Well, you can't bake pies or dry crackers - in a pressure cooker.
Natalie@
Quote: CurlySue

Well, you can't dry the crackers - in a pressure cooker.
For enty business there is a vegetable grower-s
CurlySue
Quote: Natalie @
For enty business there is a vegetable grower-s
I also have.
Here, I will even share the recipe
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...on=com_smf&topic=391280.0

But in it you can simply dry the crackers. But to make them crispy, with a fried crust - no way.
Natalie@
You can choke on saliva! Yummy!
I have a vegetable grower recently, practically since winter (a gift to me), so I'm just collecting recipes for the berry season. I planned to dry myself so much, to impose on myself From greed and dried berries I want, and apricots, peaches, nectarines - I want, and I want meat and fish, and I want mushrooms .......
CurlySue
You can choke on saliva! Yummy!
Thank you!
Quote: Natalie @
I planned to dry myself so much, to impose
So do I. This year I want to master fermented teas from raspberries, strawberries, strawberries ... - there is a topic on the site with recipes. And then last year they did not reach their hands.
Dried fruits, herbs and marshmallows. And, I also dried and dried chicken breasts (but I didn't like it).
Natalie@
Quote: CurlySue

This year I want to master fermented teas from raspberries, strawberries, strawberries ... - there is a topic on the site with recipes. And then last year they never got around to it.
link to the studio! I want some tea!
Natalie@
Quote: CurlySue

And, I also dried and dried chicken breasts (but I didn't like it).

What exactly did you dislike? I want to try like this:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...on=com_smf&topic=139288.0
MarinaRas
Natalie@, CurlySue, Alisa_t, thanks for answers! I bought this pressure cooker spontaneously. I only read the forum up to page 40. I copy the recipes. While I cooked borsch, compote and pearl barley. If not for the help of the forum, I would start to lose heart. And so I will slowly torture. We will live until Easter, it will be more interesting there.
MarinaRas
And do not tell me how to cook millet in water? Which mode is better. I've cooked barley on "legumes". No soaking. Water 1X5 was too much.
fox
Millet 1x3 - viscous, 1x2.5 - crumbly, rice mode.
MarinaRas
fox, Loose did not work out. At first she even seemed a little thin, and then she became a lump. They ate it until it was completely petrified.
For lunch, I made lean potatoes with mushrooms. Convenient - no hassle. we did our own thing, the SM did ours.
fox
Quote: MarinaRas
Loose did not work out. At first, it even seemed a little watery, and then it became a lump
I fry the cereals a little with butter and onions, and after releasing the pressure, I mix well. Probably the groats are different.
Alisa_t
my crumbly also does not work out very well. But I put no fat at all, or I add little. I do it on rice, pressure 2, 16-17 minutes. Although the last yachka was crumbly.
CurlySue
Quote: Natalie @
link to the studio! I want some tea!
yes pazhasssta
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...on=com_smf&topic=389380.0
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