sazalexter
zaharich As a doctor and a specialist, I urge you not to stir up hysteria about "thermophilic" yeast, which does not exist in nature. On the topic of "harm", yeast, a lot has been said on this forum in particular and on the Internet in general. https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=566.60
If you enjoy using baking powder, here's a list:
Baking powder approved for use in the production of food in the Russian Federation.
E500 sodium carbonates, E501 potassium carbonates, E503 ammonium carbonates, E340 Potassium dihydrogen phosphate, E341 calcium dihydrogen phosphate, E342 ammonium dihydrogen phosphate, E541 sodium aluminophosphate.
They are certainly "useful" for the body.
As an option, bake and eat matzo, Armenian lavash and chapatis, they definitely do not contain any yeast, but only a bread maker is completely useless here ...
MariV
Sashik, and knead the dough? It is in the bread maker. I have a food processor, but my bread maker can handle tighter doughs better.
sazalexter
MariV I completely agree with this. I also love to knead the dough in HP, especially for yeast pies and dumplings. although you can knead in a combine
Alexa13
Another wave of yeast phobia?
Quote: MariV

I suggest carefully, without rushing, to study the forum, and then make the right choice!
I join.

Dear Mikhail Zakharovich, fully automatic programs, the presence of which in large quantities is so important for you in HP, are designed for baking with yeast, adjusted to the operating time of a certain amount of yeast.
If you want to bake a completely yeast-free sourdough bread, then you will have to learn how to grow this sourdough, feed it, breed it, learn to bake with it, and experimentally select the optimal mode for kneading, proving and baking. Here the "manual" mode will come in handy. The rest of the modes in this case are not needed for you.
If you're going to bake with soda ... I don't know, give it a try.

Avdanya
Left without HP, mine after working for 7 years, died. I wandered through the open spaces and decided to buy "Orson", but then I came across this branch .... I want it !!! I will wait
zaharich

Dear Mikhail Zakharovich, fully automatic programs, the presence of which in large quantities is so important for you in HP, are designed for baking with yeast, adjusted to the operating time of a certain amount of yeast.
If you want to bake a completely yeast-free sourdough bread, then you will have to learn how to grow this sourdough, feed it, breed it, learn to bake with it, and experimentally select the optimal mode for kneading, proving and baking. Here the "manual" mode will come in handy. The rest of the modes in this case are not needed for you.
If you're going to bake with soda ... I don't know, give it a try.
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The oven will be on brewer - NATURAL yeast and, possibly, on other natural leavening agents, among them, in particular, a mixture of soda and vinegar ...
But on the issue read ALL forums, then apparently read
Almost all ovens, with the exception of well-made ones, have kneading blades stuck in the products, in Kenwoods and Panas due to poor attachment of the bucket, oil seals fly on the buckets themselves, among other things, Panas have some kind of crunch when kneading. Stoves with 2 knives do not like "small" loaves. Programmable stoves in a very meager range.
And pay attention, ANYWHERE, no one has a CONSOLIDATED analysis - a comparison of all HP produced to date with All their functions, and in fact, by and large, there are not so many of them. In my "dissertations" I compiled tables of much more comparable parameters.
In a word, I already have a head pukhnettt !!!! ....
Margit
Girls, who is the last, I'm behind you! Today I persuaded my husband to use a new stove.
Four programmable programs are cool!
MariV
Should I create a waiting list?
And celebrate every day at 7 am! And who does not check in - the one from the queue. Nostalgia for the old days!
Elven
Quote: MariV

Should I create a waiting list?
And celebrate every day at 7 am! And who does not check in - the one from the queue. Nostalgia for the old days!
Nah, Olya, don't joke like that, I can't check in at 7 o'clock, I need to go to work
Margit
Quote: MariV

Should I create a waiting list?
And celebrate every day at 7 am! And who does not check in - the one from the queue. Nostalgia for the old days!
No, and I can't at seven in the morning, at 4 I only go to bed
But I won't give up the stove for anything!
MariV
No, an interesting movie - they themselves create a queue here, and put things in order in it - not in any!
Korata
tyks about the queue, some are still in it from the last branch

zaharich... Automatic bread baking programs on all CPs are designed for dry baker's yeast. If you are going to use other types of yeast (brewers, sourdoughs, soda ...) then HP with manual programs is fine. Only if you have zero experience in using HP, then you will have to work on the bucket at least 1 time. And it is just - put the recipe on an automatic program with your yeast. Look at the process, what is missing and what will turn out superfluous in the end, and program YOUR personal automatic program already in manual mode. You can make such programs at THIS stove 4. There used to be delongues with programming. now they have been removed. And only this HP remained with this function. That is why we are waiting)) we suffer from hunger, but we are waiting for this oven
NAT555
Not well, the stove is really cool, I bought it with some doubts 1 year ago, I fell in love with 2 baked goods (with my own sourdough, by the way)
If you have a phobia for thermo yeast, this is salvation for sure (tested on myself)
zaharich
I'm just waiting for a MODERNIZED model. As soon as they release it, I'll go and buy it directly at the factory. He's at my side in Moscow ...
MariV
Is the plant nearby? And where is it? Which province of China? Not in the north? So it was flooded with the waters of the Amur!
zaharich
They are made in Moscow, use the Internet, you will find ...
Ksyushk @ -Plushk @
Brand built a plant in Moscow?
sazalexter
Brand does not produce anything, he only orders equipment from factories in China, and this is no secret
I do not think that something is produced in Russia, it is expensive, it is easier and cheaper to produce and assemble in China, as do most of our firms, Brand, Scarlett, Binaton, Bork ...https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=26545.0
Oksana-br
Quote: zaharich

They are made in Moscow, use the Internet, you will find ...

Quote: Ksyushk @ -Plushk @

Brand built a plant in Moscow?

Quote: sazalexter

Brand does not produce anything, he only orders equipment from factories in China, and this is no secret
I do not think that something is produced in Russia, it is expensive, it is easier and cheaper to produce and assemble in China, as do most of our firms, Brand, Scarlett, Binaton, Bork ...https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=26545.0

Good day!

About the discussion about factories in Moscow ...
Brand currently only makes its products in China.
And it's not a secret!
Atrus
Tell me, in the new model, it will be possible to set the ascent time of more than 4 hours at one stage? This is important for leavened bread. More precisely, such a program is of interest (the ability to implement it in manual mode):

1) Kneading 20 min
2) Rise 4 hours 30 minutes at 30 degrees. FROM
3) Bake 55 minutes

?
MariV
In the previous model 3801 it was possible. Probably, it is also possible in the modernized model.
Atrus
In the previous 3801 there were
Rise 1
0-90 minutes

Rise 2
0-90 minutes

Rise 3
0-90 minutes
This means that the total ascent is 4 hours 30 minutes maximum (3 for 90 minutes), but nothing else, but if you still need a total ascent of more than 5 hours? will it be possible in the new model?
MariV
Did you use the old model?
Atrus
Quote: MariV

Did you use the old model?

No, I didn't use it, I took the times from the instructions for 3801 (PDF)


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page 16:
No. Work cycles
Interval
Change Default
1
Preliminary
heating 0-60 min 0 min
2 Mix 1 0-10 min 10 min
3 Rest 0-30 min 5 min
4 Mix 2 0-30 min 30 min
5 Ascent 1 0-90 min 30 min
6 Kneading 3 0-59 sec. 10 sec.
7 Ascent 2 0-90 min 30 min
8 Mix 4 0-59 sec 0 sec
9 Ascent 3 0-90 min 40 min
10 Baking 0-90 min 60 min
11
Maintaining
warm 0-60 min 60 min
12
Temperature at
first ascent 20-50 ° 25 °
13
Temperature at
second ascent 20-50 ° 25 °
14
Temperature at
third rise 20-50 ° 35 °
15
Temperature
when baking 70-160 ° 135 °
I understand this description for the old version 3801.

I would like to know:
In the new version, will there be any changes in terms of increasing the total range of ascent time (more than 4 hours 30 minutes)?
MariV
Up to 6 hours is possible in the old model.
I repeat the question - why?
Oksana-br
Quote: Atrus

I understand this description for the old version 3801.
I would like to know:
In the new version, will there be any changes in terms of increasing the total range of ascent time (more than 4 hours 30 minutes)?

Quote: Atrus

Tell me, in the new model, it will be possible to set the ascent time of more than 4 hours at one stage? More precisely, such a program is of interest (the ability to implement it in manual mode):
1) Kneading 20 min
2) Rise 4 hours 30 minutes at 30 degrees. FROM
3) Bake 55 minutes
?

Good day!

From the instructions for the upgraded model 3801:

Table of possible settings for the "Manual tuning" program
No. Working cycles Change interval Default
1 Preheating 0-60 min 0 min
2 Mix 1 0-10 min 10 min
3 Rest 0-30 min 5 min
4 Kneading 2 0-30 min 30 min
5 Ascent 1 0-120 min 30 min
6 Kneading 3 0-59 sec. 10 sec.
7 Ascent 2 0-120 min 30 min
8 Mix 4 0-59 sec 0 sec
9 Ascent 3 0-120 min 40 min
10 Baking 0-90 min 60 min
11 Keeping warm 0-60 min 60 min
12 Temperature at 1 rise 20-50 ° 25 °
13 Temperature at 2nd rise 20-50 ° 25 °
14 Temperature at 3 rise 20-50 ° 35 °
15 Baking temperature 70-160 ° 135 °

Accordingly, the total ascent time is 6 hours.
Atrus
Quote: Oksana-br

Good day!

From the instructions for the upgraded model 3801:

...

Accordingly, the total ascent time is 6 hours.

Thank you, 6 hours is enough for all types of leavened bread.
Nikusya
Hello, I just joined you, I also want such a wonderful stove! Tell me how to order, pay and GET it mono?
yuryd
Tell me, but the material of the bucket cover and the delivery set are already known. Would like, like Oursson has: two grates for toasting, two baking tins for mini baguettes and a container for fermenting yogurt or something close.
Oksana-br
Quote: Nikusya

Hello, I just joined you, I also want such a wonderful stove! Tell me how to order, pay and GET it mono?

Good day!

The redesigned 3801 in black will be on sale in mid to late October and white a month later.

Oksana, "Brand"

MariV
Quote: yuryd

Tell me, but the material of the bucket cover and the delivery set are already known. Would like, like Oursson has: two grates for toasting, two baking tins for mini baguettes and a container for fermenting yogurt or something close.
I don't know about the material of the bucket's cover yet, but about everything else - two of this and that, and the container - no.
Nikusya
Quote: Oksana-br

Good day!

The redesigned 3801 in black will be on sale in mid to late October and white a month later.

Oksana, "Brand"
Good afternoon Oksana, "Brand"

The proximity of the realization of a dream pleases, but how not to fly by !!!!
What should be done in order to get this HAPPINESS ?! (preferably black)
Oksana-br
Quote: Nikusya

Good afternoon Oksana, "Brand"

The proximity of the realization of a dream pleases, but how not to fly by !!!!
What should be done in order to get this HAPPINESS ?! (preferably black)
Good day!

You can make an application on the website, by mail or by calling us by phone.

yuryd
Tell me, will the appearance of the new model be the same (with a window)? Is the manufacturer the same too?
MariV
About appearance Come here and look... About the plant - company representatives will answer.
Nikusya
Quote: Nikusya

Good afternoon Oksana, "Brand"

Thanks for your attention to newbies. ... I apologize wildly, just for God's sake explain to me dark, if you order on the site, then on which one, and if you call by phone, what number ?.
Luysia
Quote: Nikusya

Thanks for your attention to newbies. ... I apologize wildly, just for God's sake explain to me dark, if you order on the site, then on which one, and if you call by phone, what number ?.

🔗

Link Notify when on sale... There are phone numbers too.
yuryd
Tell me, are whole flour bread and rye bread the same regime? Or was the program changed in the updated version? The second spatula for kneading rye bread included?
LaraKeer
Why white ones later? It turns out closer to the New Year
Nikusya
Quote: Luysia

🔗

Link Notify when on sale... There are phone numbers too.
Thank you very much! : girl_love: finally I figured out what's what.
And you, I see, is the same cat, only larger ...
Thanks again.
Tata-SPb
Quote: Oksana-br

Good day!

The redesigned 3801 in black will be on sale in mid to late October, with white a month later.

Oksana, "Brand"
Hurry up already
I left the application on the site, it would only be enough
Alexa13
Quote: Oksana-br

Table of possible settings for the "Manual tuning" program

class
The upgraded 3801 black will be on sale mid to late October.

I haven't been looking forward to autumn for a long time. Directly "Harvest Festival!"
LaraKeer
October will soon come, maybe an image of a white bread machine has appeared to look at it.
pushkar
October 19.
And still there is no stove.
pushkar
I just called the firm.
They say they expect it in November.
LaraKeer
Oh, if in November, then in white version in December
pushkar
Quote: LaraKir

Oh, if in November, then in white version in December
I would take it in any color.
LaraKeer
Let's not lose hope ...... We'll wait anyway
zaharich
I have a question, will there be a function in the stove, so that in the evening I will lay down all the ingredients, and in the morning, say, at 7:30 am there will be hot bread?

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