Dishwasher selection (2)

[Olchik86]

Olchik86, thank you !!
so far I have tried only two programs: 50 degrees and a fast 45, well, just rinsing,

with a half tablet W5 - I liked it, the aroma is much better than Perfect!
and more and more liu your little car!

[nlili]

nlili, that's lovely! I also love mine more and more every day! This week was hard, I got sick so badly .. and then I folded it and got a clean one! And where did you buy these tablets?
I really do my full program :-)

[fronya40]

fronya40, Tanya, get well soon!
I bought it where I wrote to you - on the city! took 15 pieces for trial
a pill, or rather half - I also put it only on the full program, on the fast one it will not have time to dissolve.
if they still had powder
well, that is, of course, the aroma is present, but already better,
I also have Perfect rinse - and it still "smells"

Good evening. And I decided to write. After reading both parts of the forum, I learned a lot of important and interesting things, for which many thanks to everyone. So this is a miracle of technology for my second day, although it’s just standing there. I chose for a long time, I wanted Bosch first and then Veko, in the end I unexpectedly bought Bosch, though not that one (but for what was enough). Now it remains to put it in place. I hope that it will not fall apart from the washer (everything rattles terribly, which of course upset the quality of the Bosch).

Irina, congratulations on your purchase! May it please you rather than upset
And what rattles? At first, until they installed thoroughly and covered the countertop, there was also a sound that I thought would strain me, but now everything is OK! Sometimes I don't hear her at all, I think she is working or has died out, only a ray on the floor shows that she is in action

[Nosh]

I hope that it will not fall apart from the washer (everything rattles terribly, which of course upset the quality of the Bosch).

Nosh, the washing machine rattles? Maybe it's just set incorrectly, that's why it rumbles? Is the floor even? Have you tried to adjust the legs?

[sima12]

sima12, Thank you. We took a free-standing sixty, and temporarily put it near the washing machine. So when it goes to spin, it gives a strong vibration and the dishwasher begins to rattle all over, the walls are all squeezed in from a light touch. Today, the husband must put her in another place, and then call the master (obligation). It's funny that the water utility does not know the hardness of the water (it is different everywhere) and only said the norm. I want to try it, but I can't. Will wait.

Tell me why sometimes in AUTO mode, PMM skips drying. It happens rarely. That is, did you wash the dishes and instead of drying, the time becomes 0.00 and the washing ends?
In this case, the dishes are dry. when I open PMM
PMM Electrolux

If the dishes are dry, then drying definitely goes away .. here is another moment - just on the display (if you have one) it may not be displayed - that's all ...

The washing time is running on my display, and then abruptly from 30 minutes the time is reset to 0 minutes.
I'm thinking, maybe it's a glitch or a malfunction?
It was twice a month. I use the machine every day.

This is a software failure - because of this (including) the PMM was changed ...

How can I present this to the manufacturer? If it works like that? How do you know if it's a failure?

Already in any way - I noticed a program failure (just one, only I had a "short" program) in the first two weeks of operation, then there were courts, examinations ... and the replacement of PMM, or rather a return - I did not take it in that store typewriter ..

Clearly, that is, if it is constantly repeated, then something can be proved, and so use it further)
And then I thought that this is a "trick" such that in auto mode it shortens the program itself.

In auto mode, PMM can shorten time, BUT uninformative the display of information on the display is a flaw in the PMM .. The fact is that if the display is provided and the stages occurring in the PMM are a priori displayed on it, then on the auto program they should displayed in the same way as in other programs, if the processes (washing-drying) are not displayed correctly - this is a software failure ...

[Zhukov Pavel]

Zhukov Pavel, yes, that's okay! In all PMM and washers, according to the principle of operation of auto programs, the total execution time varies... Moreover, at the moment of start, the machine does not know how long it will take. And if a display is available, you need to display something. Most often, developers first show the maximum time, and then somewhere in the process they decrease it.

[Jefry]

Jefry, Thank you)
There was another question, is there a sensor in the PMM that determines the load? (the instructions say that there are some sensors that determine the load)
And is there a sensor that determines the purity of the water (AquaSensor)?
Electrolux ESF 4500 ROS

[forensic examination]

Zhen, doesn’t agree with you: .. it’s one thing when the washing machine spins for 3 minutes instead of one minute, but the “spin” indicator is on, and another thing is that you are in the process of “washing”, and you for example, they already display "drying" or vice versa ... forensic examination a special emphasis was placed on this - incorrect image of information that the user enters misleading!!!!! There would be no display - there would be no questions either ... I only agree that the time can change on the automatic program .. for example, instead of 30 minutes (until the end), then immediately show 5 minutes - BUT (I repeat) exactly if there is a display and display on it any stage, this "stage" should be displayed correctly!!!!!

Yes, I have both time and stage displayed. and during the transition from washing to drying, the time is reset.

I don't understand a bit what kind of zeroing you are talking about ... it was like this: the washing indicator (displaying time from .... to 0), drying starts - the washing indicator is on - the drying indicator lights up a second or two before the end of the program, and then the indicator "end of the program ..." that is, at the moment when the PMM is drying, I still displayed "washing" ...

I have a wash in progress (the indicator on the display lights up - wash) and the display shows the time 00:35.
Then the indicator - Drying comes on and the time on the display becomes 00:00.
That is, either the PMM does not dry, or the display does not show the program.
But the dishes are dry.

There was another question, is there a sensor in the PMM that determines the load? (the instructions say that there are some sensors that determine the load)

There is an aquasensor, this can already be said unequivocally. And the presence of a sensor that determines the load can also be determined experimentally: compare the consumption of water and electricity when loading "to the eyeballs" and "just a couple of plates" on the same programs.
, what for?

if there is a display and any stage is displayed on it, this "stage" must be displayed correctly !!!!!

What law is it written in? I am afraid that Electrolux has a much more competent instruction than Beko, so even a brilliant lawyer will fail.

[are obliged]

What law is it written in? I'm afraid that Elektrolux's instructions are much more competently drawn up than Beko's, so even a brilliant lawyer won't succeed

Zhen, unfortunately for your country, to our great joy, this is spelled out in our law ... ... if my memory serves me, then I read this in the plenum of the Supreme Court - I'm a judge myself personally said what to read about technically complex goods ... - this is called providing deliberately false information or something like that ...

and in any case. if you work as a "service technician", then ZOZPP are such masters are obliged know...

That is, if drying is in progress at the moment, and the display shows a wash, is this a consumer deception? For example, Bosch's "3in1 autodetection" is a grandiose consumer deception, but for some reason it never occurs to anyone to sue them.

["you need to be able to fight]

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is this a consumer deception?

in this case, inaccurately provided information ... and I, as a living example, managed to cut money from the store for 3 (!) PMM for this "deception" !!!!

So study the laws and be able to use them !!!!

PySy: I also complained to the prosecutor's office that the traffic cops stopped the bus for a "banal" document check during rush hour (that is, there was no interception plan (or something like that) in the city at the wrong moment) and because of this I was late for work - as a result: a check on the validity of the actions of the traffic cops and frayed nerves com. platoon - well, actually, my nerves were tattered with a delay, but why can't I ?? - and I'm not bragging about it, but I'm only talking about what for my rights "you need to be able to fight"... otherwise it turns out that you can make" fools "only from consumers - not a fig .. there are also legally competent buyers ...

[Zhukov Pavel]

Zhukov PavelI had a similar defect, time was skipping. But my PMM did not have a condensation drying, but a turbo, the defect was in the heating element, the machine did not heat the water and did not dry it. Is it not under warranty?

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, on guarantee. Dries normally, heats water.

[Zhukov Pavel]

Zhukov PavelIf this happened all the time, it looks like a feature of the machine, the instructions indicate a program of 40-140 minutes, and during the drying process the "Drying" indicator should light up.

What claims can be made? Incorrect mode indication? I agree! How does this infringe on the lucky owner? Well, okay, back owners are constantly late for work due to the fact that instead of the promised 20 minutes, the machine washes for half an hour, and here suites can be given as much one hundred minutes under certain conditions!

[do not know how to read laws and use them]

Well, the back owners are constantly late for work due to the fact that instead of the promised 20 minutes, the machine washes for half an hour,

but it is possible without banter and jokes .. if in your country you-buyers can be deceived by providing incomplete information about goods and you "grab it" - these are your problems, what do not know how to read laws and use them!!!

We read below the words of the SERVICE MAN:

and during the drying process the "Drying" indicator should light up.

we focus on the word must...........

And yet .. like the topic here is called "Choice ..." .. isn't it time to transfer the entire dialogue to the moderators in the topic "Malfunctions ..." ??

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, I'll watch further.
The Drying indicator comes on and the time is reset from 35 minutes to 0 minutes. But I saw this twice. And it usually works as it should.
And another question, tell me, how many rinses can the PM do in auto mode until AquaSensor is satisfied with the purity of the water?
Does the Multitab option increase the washing or drying time too? Why do I ask - in auto mode, if you wash without the Multitab option - the drying time is 35 minutes, with the multitab - drying is 55 minutes. I just want to understand what is increasing?
Or is drying also automatically time-controlled, depending on the load of the PM?

Does the Multitab option increase the washing or drying time too? Why do I ask - in auto mode, if you wash without the Multitab option - the drying time is 35 minutes, with the multitab - drying is 55 minutes. I just want to understand what is increasing?

As a matter of fact, you yourself answered your own question ... when using the "tablet" function, the washing time will increase, since the tablet shell must still be dissolved, which is not required when using a powder!

we focus on the word must ...

You can't be so categorical. You can say "desirable" that all modes are displayed correctly.
I will ask you again: how does such an incorrect indication create inconvenience for the user? Maybe he will suddenly be impatient to get his favorite plate, without waiting for it to dry? So on this score, the instructions say unambiguously: "You cannot open the machine until the end of the program." Is the end of the program displayed correctly?

As a matter of fact, you yourself answered your own question ... when using the "tablet" function, the washing time will increase, since the tablet shell must still be dissolved, which is not required when using a powder!

This is something new.For some reason, in all other PMMs the inclusion of "3in1" does not affect the washing time in any way.

PySy. Let's take a closer look at the "bug or feature" question. Sasha, of course, immediately sends everyone to morgue service, he is an interested person, but comrade Zhukov may not have such a wonderful lawyer at hand. And Electrolux is not Beko, the number may not pass.

And another question, tell me, how many rinses can the PM do in auto mode until the AquaSensor is satisfied with the purity of the water?

Usually "auto" works according to a different principle: if the aquasensor is satisfied with the purity of the water during washing, then it shortens the time of this very wash and skips one intermediate rinse.

[washing time increases]

When selecting the Multitab option washing time increases

This is something new.

only the last question for you: please explain why in some PMMs, when using the "half load" function, the program runtime is reduced, but in others NOT? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

This is a purely personal business of the manufacturer - to set the duration of a particular washing stage, depending on the mode.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not protecting these in any way damned capitalists, who constantly make a fool of us, and we bring them our money. Moreover, the more they make a fool, the more we carry it twice. But Misha Zhukov has a cool fancy car, with a bunch of "chips" for which he paid. When she stops washing the dishes, she will need to raise the alarm, but the fact that we don’t like how she blinks with lights is another question.

Usually "auto" works according to a different principle: if the aquasensor is satisfied with the purity of the water during washing, then it shortens the time of this very wash and skips one intermediate rinse.

And my PMM on AUTO does the opposite - if she doesn't like water 6 minutes before the end of the program, then she adds another 26 minutes of rinsing.

And my PMM on AUTO does the opposite - if she doesn't like water 6 minutes before the end of the program, then she adds another 26 minutes of rinsing.

I also often added.

[annnushka27]

annnushka27, lega, tell me the models of your PMM

[Jefry]

Zhen-Jefry.. I may be a "blonde" .. but with a higher technical education, so sometimes (!) when there is a desire, I can "think" ...

I sit now and think ... if

in all other PMM the inclusion of "3in1" in any way does not affect the washing time

, then for what purpose is this function installed? To simply not use rinse aid or why? ? ? ? ?

[annnushka27]

annnushka27, lega, tell me the models of your PMM

Siemens SE55A591 / 22, though an old lady, is from Germany.

[Jefry]

Jefry, Zhen, I really felt like a fool after your these words:

This is something new. For some reason, in all other PMM, the inclusion of "3in1" does not affect the washing time in any way.

spent my personal time .... ... so .. HASTE FO YU



PySy: I apologize for misleading people .... .. c. including me ...

I'll make it bigger ... and correct the message above ...

To simply not use rinse aid or why?

Yeah, and in some machines, water only goes around the ion exchanger and salt is not supplied for its regeneration.


An, sorry, about "does not affect" this is my IMHO. And if engineers wanted to somehow compete with those who like to wash with pills in short programs, then why not?
I do not see what is written there in the highlighted, honestly ...

lga, tell me the models of your PMM

Kuppersbusch IG 459.2, but I have had it for a long time, now there are no such modifications.

An, sorry, about "does not affect" this is my IMHO.

Well then, it's worth saying that this is your personal opinion, not a fact ...

I do not see what is written there in the highlighted, honestly ...

changed the picture three times until it became readable .. you can go read ...

[Jefry]

Jefry, Solemnly I declare that I am not an affiliate of any household appliance company and also not a single service center related to the topic of this forum, but I send to the service because PMM is under warranty and since dearZhukov Pavel, we cannot compare the only user of this PMM with the work of another machine of this model.

Why am I asking - in auto mode, if you wash without the Multitab option - the drying time is 35 minutes, with the multitab - drying is 55 minutes.I just want to understand what is increasing?

After the tablets, the dishes dry worse.

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, well, the expression "it's better to go straight to the service" presupposes the presence in a particular SC of a competent specialist who can adequately diagnose and eliminate the problem or dispel user doubts. In the absence of such, it is better to immediately in the OZPP, look for a good lawyer or just not bother.

After the tablets, the dishes dry worse.

After 7in1 tablets, the dishes dry better.