Tabletop dishwashers

Well, yes, in order to reduce electricity bills, and in a global sense for the ecology of the earth
It's hot and dry here, the dishes dry perfectly

[Ernimel]

you cannot turn it off, it is included in the program, only physically interrupt the program after rinsing, as she said Ernimel

there is a program Fast wash 45C, 29min, it does not dry

I now have only one question - why the hob cannot be washed in PMM ?? !!

there is a program Fast wash 45C, 29min, it does not dry

Fine

I now have only one question - why the hob cannot be washed in PMM ?? !!

which is cast iron?

which is cast iron?

which is a stainless steel to which the gas burners are screwed

[Gypsy]

Gypsy, yes, energy is not wasted there, if it is not a turbo-drying (when blowing a hairdryer on the dishes).

Here are quotes describing the mechanism of such drying:

"The dishes are rinsed with hot water, the drops evaporate from the heated dishes, condense on the walls of the chamber and flow down into the drain."

"During the last rinse phase, the water in the machine heats up, the dishes also heat up. After pumping out the water, moisture evaporates from the surface of the hot dishes and condenses on the relatively cold inner walls. That is, drying occurs due to condensation in a closed space without drawing air from the outside."

That is, the last rinsing is hot, and then either there is a time delay for condensation and drainage of condensate, or simply drain and shutdown (if the program is "without drying").

And in terms of time - no matter how dry it is, I don't think it will dry much faster in the closet than in a typewriter. Unless, of course, you have fun with wiping. Well, so it's the master's business.

I now have only one question - why the hob cannot be washed in PMM ?? !!

I give a tip. Anything that cannot be put into a machine due to its stationarity or size ... you can simply ferment it with a PMM agent! This is how I "saved" a trophy Tefal pancake maker with a non-removable surface overgrown out of bounds. She loosened the powder in hot water, poured it in, smeared it over, after a few hours washed it off with a cloth along with a hellish burn of ancient fat.

At the same time, the surface must be compatible with the means for PMM.

I would also wipe it with vinegar, or a rinse aid ... The detergent is more thermonuclear than any faerie, but the rinse aid in the machine is not only for shine ...

A-ah-ah-ah !!! The master in the kitchen installs Boshik SKS 50 !!! And what should I do next ?! I don’t know yet what means to buy it and, most importantly, where ... 2 Finish tablets come with the machine, as I understand it, is it 3 in 1? And only water can be put into a container with salt for the first wash, right? That is, put only a pill, pour water into the salt compartment and you can wash the first portion of dishes, right? So I want to quickly wash the dishes in it !!!

Kandy came a furry animal scribe. In some mysterious way, the inner glass on the door flew out during the wash. At the same time, it is a double miracle that a global flood did not work out ... At the same time, it recently began to leak due to the dying of the seal on the door ... in general, she plowed her 7tyrs, I think. It is repairable, a spare part costs about 2.5 thousand rubles, they say to wait for it from 2 to 6 weeks ...
I don’t agree to wash so much with my hands.

In general, I hastily choose between Boshik and luxury. In Luxe, I like the buttons on the upper part against the Boshka twist at the bottom (away from the naughty pens), and in Boshik, it seems, there are more programs ... although with mine I used consistently 1, sometimes 2 out of 5 ...
Who recently picked up, how do they differ even close "to the touch"? For the price, and then and then about 11-12tr turns out.

[6]

I have a Boshik desktop - solid, for 4 sets. But now they seem to have appeared even on 7 6 sets with one external dimensional difference (apparently, the depth is not 46 cm, but 50)

The new compact Boschik is already 6-complete, but Lux? I've been washing in my Boshik for several weeks - wow, everything fits, 5 excellent programs, in general, I'm very happy

Yes, they are all declared at 6 now, for the most part. I don’t know why. I have it for 4, and I cost her, starting it 2 times a day and almost not washing it with my hands, and stuffing it there decently.
I look over there are colored bosses, for maniacs and blondes Yellow and red.

On a good comparison, the inner baskets for ergonomics. But I don’t know yet where and when I’ll crawl out, but I don’t want to order it completely blindly on the network, and I have to take it ... Maybe someone looked / compared not so long ago?

[PaniIrcia]

PaniIrcia, I have the same Boshik, I am also very happy with it!

Ernimel, I also chose between Bosch and Lux. when I came to the store, purely visually, I did NOT like the front panel in the suite, it is like a pillow and Boshik has clear, straight lines. but this, as it grit, is not for everybody - if you are okay with the rounded, it will be ok. just see them live, from the photo the panel in the suite looks quite normal

I will not tell you about the internal baskets, because when I compared them in the store, I still had no idea how to use it

also chose between Bosch and Lux. when I came to the store, purely visually, I did NOT like the front panel in the suite, it is like a pillow and Boshik has clear, straight lines. but this, as a grit, is not for everybody - if you are okay with a rounded one, it will be ok. just see them live, from the photo the panel in the suite looks quite normal

Yes, the design is deeply secondary here. It is important for me that the functionality is thought out.

I vaguely remember that someone, somewhere, scolded Boshin's baskets for change and forks. Either it is inconvenient to stick in, or something falls out the other way around ... how about this in practice? Maybe I read about full-size then - it's hard to say. Itself so far I am inclined to elektrolux, but this is more subjective (parents took a large e-suite), well, and the upper buttons against the twists.

Yes, I also first selected purely in terms of functionality, and also leaned towards luxury. went to the store, and my opinion changed.

handles from below do not cause trouble. even though she is small and 2 years old, and the naughty girl is terrible, but they do not blink or squeak, she touched them with her finger a couple of times, and that's it, she is no longer interested at all.

the cutlery basket takes the place of 4-5 plates, I first used it, and then I began to insert the cutlery into the nets, which are on the top side, on which to put something. there is a photo here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=27356.0

Okay, thanks for the feedback. I understand that you still need to feel and think.
And I understand correctly that there is such a shelf-fold where you can poke forks / spoons to eat not only on full-size bosses? In the photo, it seems, there are big ones, and not tabletops ...

And in the knob, I am confused not only by the accessibility of the child, but also by the possibility of knocking on it with the booty (I have a machine right next to the sink on a narrow table - it’s easy to touch it with my thigh), I accidentally knocked the same thing on the Kandev washer many times.

The desktop Bosch also has a fold-over shelf, for the entire width of the car, on the left, as in the photo of a full-size PMM, I also poke cutlery into it

And in the knob, I am confused not only by the availability of the child, but also by the possibility of knocking on her with her booty

I also have it on the table next to the sink, but it is 7 centimeters deeper from the edge of the table, so I don't cling. but the washer sticks out from under the countertop, so there I often pause with my hip

I am reporting. We were today in the neighboring media market, and there they stood right next to them - both Boska and Deluxe. They also chose Bosch. Electrolux is really sad on closer inspection. Very sad.Now we think which of the 3 to take - 40.50 or 60. There are literally no differences between 40 and 50, and 60 will be more expensive, although there is already a sensor and a screen and a bunch of bells and whistles. But from experience - two buttons would be enough for a typewriter - on and start.

SKS 40 - there is no program for glass, 40C. I use this program after guests, when there is a bunch of crystal, and when I will wash the sideboard (in the spring I washed it with my hands, chopped two vases)

SKS 60 - I wanted her, but then she was not in Ukraine. it has everything that is in the SKS 50, and also a car (the water purity sensor determines when it is enough to wash. I read that many wash on cars), and a display with program time. it is convenient to see how much is left until the end, otherwise I usually make a rough estimate, and I have to remember ... I can't say that this is annoying, but it's more convenient to see when the finish line ..

yes, and at 60 there is a separate pre-rinse, but for compacts, in my opinion, this function is superfluous - the dishes do not have time to dry, and all programs have their own rinsing before washing.

I don't have very thin crystal, the only thing is that by simple rinsing, I always washed my candlesticks from the dust with a simple rinse (I have many different ones, this is a type of hobby, with my hands for a long time, and with hot water and even more with means - many are dumb). But 50 does not have rinsing, and 60 to take only in order to rinse the candlesticks once a month - somehow curly. As a result, we are waiting for delivery of the 40th for tomorrow.

I thought about the delights of automation, but decided that with our nasty water and unstable voltage - the simpler the better.

My happiness has arrived! The husband connected everything. Happy as an elephant! After two weeks of hand washing, I feel like a white person again. Washes super! Even if you wash the morning dishes in the evening, everything shines on the normal mode and without soaking.

For now, I will use the rest of the pills, and then I will buy the powder cansitra. In this machine, I think 3 separate tools will come in handy. It's just that there was no hardness adjustment in the kanda at all, and she drained the rinse aid quickly, and as a result, the salt ate in excess.

By the way, what about the Bosko in this sense according to observations? How long does the rinse aid / salt refueling last for the standard settings?

Congratulations! it's great that I liked the machine, let it be a smart girl and an assistant

It seems to me that the salt does not evaporate very quickly .. I have refueled only 2 times since May. and the rinse aid is faster, in my opinion, a week for 2-3 refills is enough ..

[Bosch SKS50E12EU]

Girls, at a family council decided to buy a dishwasher Bosch SKS50E12EU... Maybe someone has one, please write reviews.
There was a question about the characteristics of the machine. For example, some functions are missing, but I don't know how important it is ...

Hot water connection no
Water purity sensor no
Automatic setting of water hardness no
Indicator "Beam on the floor" no

[Alesja]

Alesja, I bought this at the end of May, I do not use it !!

I wrote my impressions in detail about her, or in this temka a little higher, or in Choosing a dishwasher, look there

by the functions you asked:

Hot water connection no - it seems that in the course of the discussion it was unanimously agreed that it was necessary to connect to a cold one, from a hot PMM they somehow deteriorate, whether that is why this function did not interest me ..

Water purity sensor no - it is available only if there is an AUTO program - on it the sensor determines whether there is enough clean water, whether there is enough to wash. in general, this program is in demand among those who have it. but hmm with such a program, and, accordingly, with the presence of this sensor, are much more expensive. Bosch with AUTO has the same compact, but not 50, but 60 in the model name. at the time when I bought my own, there were no 60 models in Ukraine, and their representative told me that it would not be available until the end of 2010, the production did not order. so look, maybe wait, NG is coming soon, and buy 60

Automatic setting of water hardness no - we set the rigidity manually, set it once, and that's it. does not bother me.

Beam on Floor Indicator No - I don't know anything about it

I'm sooooo happy with my typewriter, every day I say how good it is that I bought

[Indicator "Beam on the floor"]

I do not have a desktop PMM, but the principle of operation is the same everywhere, so I decided to express my opinion.

Indicator "Beam on the floor" - a very relevant function, if the PMM is fully integrated, the control panel is located at the end of the door and is not visible during the PMM operation. Then the BEAM shows if the machine is working. I have a PMM built in, but the control panel is on the facade and you can see on the scoreboard what stage the PMM is at. In this case, the beam is not needed.
Function AUTO(with aquasensorm) I personally really like it, mainly I wash all the dishes on it, I also occasionally use the function Rinsing, the rest of the programs are not relevant for me personally.

[Alesja]

Alesja, you mean a separate soak? we have a preliminary wash in all programs, before the main wash .. and also, in compacts you can't store up the dishes too much, so that you have to soak it in a small volume ...

you think, if there is even the slightest opportunity to stick the PMM 45cm, then take it. they are the same in time for washing, but you take out 2 times less dishes from a compact dish .. I finally have nowhere, so I took the compact ..

[Lisss's]

Lisss's , we were given a renovated kitchen 2 years ago .. And before, even thoughts did not reach the garbage can !!! The table top is solid, 2 cm lower than the minimum height of a 45 cm machine, corner, stove and oven are built in. Today we invited the masters .. thought .. thought whether .. There is no place !! Rather, if you find a place, you need to completely new furniture or this one should be cut, redone. There is an additional freezer in the kitchen .. Well, no way .. Therefore, we chose the compact.

They connected my new assistant to me today !! Glad, glad ... like a small child with a new toy Took as planned Bosch SKS50E12EU.
In the evening, my husband and I figured out what was where and why in this unit ...
My head was swollen But everything turned out to be not so difficult. Girls, thank you for your advice !!

Good day everyone! Smiling
Choosing our assistant car.
Happy crumb owners
Bosch SKT 5002 (3002)
and
Ardo ADW-3201 come back!
Can you bring a photo of the internal structure of your miracle and your feedback on working with this model - what do you like and what do not?
Thanks in advance I give a rose

Quote from: Luysia on July 24, 2008, 09:54 PM
I have had a BOSCH SKT 3002 EU dishwasher for almost two years.

Please share, if possible, a photo of the internal device.
The fact is that I have long wanted to buy such a PMM, but somehow everything did not work out from the financial side, and now they have disappeared from the stores, that is, there is nowhere to see (how it looks inside), I found the inner device of other Bosch models, but they are different from the 5002, 3002 series.

Did you buy through the online store? And how is the PMM demonstrated to work?
I called several online stores, so they say that they bring PMM, I inspect its appearance, check the equipment and that's it. They don't even connect it to the network (maybe it won't turn on).

I called several online stores, so they say that they bring PMM, I inspect its appearance, check the equipment and that's it. They don't even connect it to the network (maybe it won't turn on).

I have a little Boshik. I've been using it for four years now. Everything suits, except, of course, that the big one would be more convenient for our large family, but it just so happened that we thought about the PM when the kitchen was already installed and the only thing we managed to squeeze in was a little Bosch. Washes several times a day - after every meal. There have never been any problems.
We bought it in a simple store and didn't check anything for us either. We naturally inquired about the check, and they said that everything is checked at the factory, and we are given two weeks to check the operability, and later (if anything) the warranty service time, but pah-pah-pah, everything still works fine to this day.

given two weeks to check the operability, and later (if anything) the warranty time of service, but pah-pah-pah, everything still works great to this day.

I was also happy with my Boshik, bought it before the new year, worked for 3 weeks and broke down ... The master came from the service, the car is under warranty. It takes 3-4 weeks to wait for the required part until it is delivered. A sensor has broken down that does not "See" that the door is closed, because of this, the machine does not start its work. But I understand that this is an accident and so I was "lucky" ... In general, I am very happy with the machine !!!!

As I understood, reading the forum posts, and from personal experience, the purchase of this or that household appliance is a lottery. How lucky is called.
For example, a friend of mine bought a Liebherr refrigerator of exactly the same model as her mother in the same store, but a few months later ... my mother's refrigerator works fine, her daughter's refrigerator broke after three months. And brand awareness does not guarantee anything. For example, my Bosch washing machine, after three years, began to glitch (it periodically freezes when rinsing), and my friend has no such problems (not a single case of freezing).

I was also pleased with my Boshik, bought it before the new year, worked for 3 weeks and broke down ...

Everything will be OK! Good luck!
Plus a well-known company in the service.
Sometimes, of course, it takes a long time to wait for the desired result, but it's worth it

Did you buy through the online store? And how is the demonstration of the operability of the PMM?
I called several online stores, so they say that they bring PMM, I inspect its appearance, check the equipment and that's it. They don't even connect it to the network (it may not turn on).

All Bosches are tested at the factory - even on new ones, dry traces of drops are visible inside. Of course, there can be any marriage, but in my opinion the probability is not so high. And just plug it into the outlet and look at the burning bulbs, no one will bother you - the indicators will be on, for this you do not need a connection, and then how will it go. You can twist the candy with your finger just in case, click the compartment for the funds back and forth. We ordered our boss on the Internet, everything is fine.

[but, in principle, it does not reduce positive emotions from her work]

Good day everyone! And Happy Valentine's Day!
Thank you all for your advice !!! They were very useful !!!
It's finished! We made up our minds and bought in the online store, but not Boshik, but Ardo ADW-3201.
It was not scary at all. As they say, we worry, but not really
It was not possible to turn it on as soon as it was brought - it's winter after all
Impressions about her.
There are 6 programs, of which we have tested only 3 so far - Normal (125min), Glass (75min), Rapid (30min).

After loading the salt, Calgonit-Finish launched Rapid as the shortest program. (K-F = 15g)
In all tests, Calgonit-Finish powder was used, without rinse aid or other agents. Further, I will use K-F to indicate the consumption of detergent.

After that, they loaded the dirty dishes (for this, I specially stocked up with a pan with a dried broth border, as I read from the forum, this is a difficult task for PMM, not for everyone, of course; cups, plates, etc.) and chose the Glass program (it is designed for glasses, but we chose it because it was the second fastest cleaning).
The result - all the plates are shiny, "crispy", washed off perfectly, similar to a spoon-fork, the pan was washed 97% (there were small dots from the border), with the cups it turned out to be a little worse (the tea bloom was badly washed from the bottom). But we were not upset, because this program is for lightly dirty glass, what can we expect from it, but nevertheless, it turned out not all that bad
K-F = 15g

The next test was the Normal program. For the test, I specially prepared a pan with burnt porridge (for the experiment I had to make sacrifices), cups with tea bloom, plates, a saucepan, again spoons, forks, different jars.
The result is excellent, the cups are much whiter than when hand washed, we did not expect this; the burnt porridge was washed off almost completely, only very black dots remained, of which there were very few.The insides of the jars were also perfectly clean.
K-F = 3g + 15g

In one of the forum posts I read that there are traces of detergent on the dishes after washing. In all our tests, the dishes tasted tasteless, no extraneous taste or aroma sensations

For further experiments, only the longest programs Intensiv (145 min), Eko (170 min) remained.
But so far I have not collected difficultly washed dishes, so this requires further research.
What, if anyone is interested, I will write in the future

What did not like in our assistant (but, in principle, it does not reduce positive emotions from her work):
-) there is no button to open the door, like Bosch, you have to make an effort to open it (for some reason the mean pasta did not think about it);
- +) lack of drying (the instructions indicate all cycles, including drying, but it also indicates that this is normal when the machine is wet inside) - plates-cups-spoons turned out to be dry, inside small jars, inside a saucepan and a saucepan small drops remained. But maybe that's okay? Or maybe because the washing was carried out without rinse aid. During the drying process, it periodically "hums", but not for long (10-15 seconds), and drains the water, that is, it dries or not, I don't know.
-) on the machine it is not written where it was produced (it would be calmer if at least Made in China was written)
- +) a little noisy.

Liked:
+) excellent quality of washing at a low price
+) the norms of water and electricity consumption stated in the instructions correspond to the real ones!
+) during the washing process, you can look inside the car, add a plate or just be curious

Well, wait and see how she will behave further

Thanks again to everyone !!!

-) there is no button to open the door, like Bosch, you have to make an effort to open it (for some reason the mean pasta did not think about it);

I have no buttons in my boss. Just a slamming door, pulling the handle with effort - it opens. Maybe they did it on newer ones - I don't know. Here, the old kandy really had a button on the side, like in the microwaves of the ancients.

- +) lack of drying (the instructions indicate all cycles, including drying, but it also indicates that this is normal when the machine is wet inside) - plates-cups-spoons turned out to be dry, inside small jars, inside a saucepan and a saucepan small drops remained. But maybe that's okay? Or maybe because the washing was carried out without rinse aid. During the drying process, it periodically "hums", but not for long (10-15 seconds), and drains the water, that is, it dries or not, I don't know.

Everything is correct. With the drying class "b" it is absolutely dry and not half-cleaned, and in the depressions the drops remain even on "a". Drying there, as far as I understand, is the usual condensation, that is, it essentially happens by itself - during the last rinse, the dishes are heated, and then the water condenses on the colder walls of the machine and flows off. "Buzzing and draining water" - pumps out the leaked condensate with a pump. If you use a rinse aid, it dries better than without it (checked), since it, among other things, affects the surface tension of water - it flows down with it more easily and does not leave drops / smudges. But the bottoms of the cups or other recesses will still be wet.

Yes, you are right about drying

I tried to leave the PMM with the door open a little longer, and after a while almost everything was dry, except for the recesses of the cups and other difficulties on the dishes, where a lot of water collects.

Still, I decided not to use the rinse aid - long-term drying of the pots / saucepans is not critical for me, and the plates / forks are dry, crispy and without drips almost immediately after the end of the program.
The rinse aid, I think, remains on the dishes, and therefore I do not want to eat additional "chemistry".

The rinse aid, I think, remains on the dishes, and therefore I do not want to eat additional "chemistry".

A very common point of view. But the fact is that everything is almost the opposite.With the rinse aid, the residues of the detergent medium flow off the dishes better (see above about surface tension). And by itself, he actually does not linger on the dishes. Without it, drops of water (including those with residues) dry in droplets on the dishes, with it they drip off with a thin film. And it turns out that not wanting to use one chemistry, you run the risk of eating a little another. Even if the dishes are completely "tasteless" - something remains. There are big lovers of natural products - they use ordinary vinegar instead of a rinse aid. But for me personally, this is dumb and sorry for the typewriter (there was a conversation recently in the topic about choosing a medium for PMM - read it).

More and more people in Japan are using compact dishwashers installed next to the sink. (C) Panasonic

Dear owners of compact PM! I decided to buy little Boshik, I figured out what kind of headset I would free for him. But the following questions arose:
- The width of this cabinet is only 1 cm wider than the width of the PM, which means that the side walls of the PM will be almost end-to-end. Is it possible to exploit PM in this way? After all, other household appliances sometimes have a necessary condition: leave 5 cm of a gap on all sides.
- They decided to leave the door of the headset for the design, would it not be harmful for Boshik, because it turns out that I have it as embedded, tightly closed on all sides (except for the top, there will be sufficient distance).
- Is it necessary to dry the machine after washing the dishes, leaving the door open, as in a washing machine?

There are also compact Electroluxes with smaller sizes, but I really want Boshik.

Help with advice!

[Selena S,]

I have a little Boshik in the locker too, the sides are almost back to back, and there is a cabinet door. Everything is fine, you just need to properly connect the water and drain.

I am very happy with my dishwasher, perhaps a larger one would be better.
And so there are no problems with it, I have been using it for the fourth year already.
I always take out clean and dry dishes.

Selena S, buy Boshik, you won't go wrong. A dishwasher in the cupboard will be fine.

Those who don't have much space in the kitchen, but want everything at once, have appliances in Candy (TRIO and DUO), which includes a dishwasher, an oven (in DUO) + a stove (in TRIO). I have everything separately. But when I ordered a kitchen, I was offered this.


Trio brings together a large hob, a spacious oven and a 6-place dishwasher. Ideal for those looking to save space in the kitchen. Indeed, Trio is the only product on the market that, with its dimensions of 60x60x85 cm, suitable for all kitchens, allows you to get the most out of the space you use.

There is a gas hob, as well as an electric one.

Hello!
I ask for help in installing PMM. ...
And here's the question: ARDO ADW-3201 and Bosch SKS 40E02 can be installed like this? I did not find the installation diagrams on the network
Bosch SKT 5108 is also suitable in size, but confuses the capacity - 4, not 6 sets.
Men, help out!
Answers: "I'm so connected in the same way" are welcome!

Z. Y. Before there was Electrolux ESF 2440. I was worn out with her, constant repairs, and in the end I did not serve for 2 years, the pump broke down and the motor winding began to burn. I no longer want to contact Electrolux.
Thank you in advance!

[Semiramis]

Hello!
I ask for help in installing PMM.

Semiramis, and why is only such a scheme possible? Are you space constrained?
I have ARDO ADW-3201.
The instructions in the PMM contain a drawing similar to the one you gave, but the arrow indicates the height between the outlet of the hose from the PMM and the highest bending point of the hose and this height is max 75 cm.As far as I understand, this means that if the PMM is at the bottom , then the maximum height to which the pump can raise water when pumping out water from the PMM is 75 cm.In addition, the upper bend of the hose (in your diagram) is necessary in order to prevent the backflow of water into the PMM from the sink siphon or the like. But we do not use such a connection scheme.
We put the PMM above the drain point and no problem.

[Semiramis]

Semiramis, and why is only such a scheme possible? Are you space constrained?

Only such an arrangement is possible, because a very small kitchen and a drain can only be organized in this way ((

Girls, and someone has PM Hansa. It seems quite good and the price is reasonable. But again this is alarming

[bottom]

I'm going to smash the owner's ancient home-made cabinet here, take a couple of economical cabinets in Ikea and move the Boshik from the countertop at the sink to the cabinet shelf (the bottom one, under the sink, if we enter the siphon successfully and pick up the sink ...).

Does anyone know what his max drain hose lift is? He can even stand on bottom shelf? I remember that with the kandy tspos 100 we suffered about this - there, if the hose went below the drain point, nothing was drained at all.

[WANT!]

Girls! I don’t know in which Temko to write (do not open a new one). I just want to complain about my thick-skinned husband. Well, he doesn't want to buy PM in any way: girl_cray1: Even if I myself get into credit and pay off, he said that there will be no connection: cray: And since we live in a village, there is no wizard for installing PM. We arrived at the store to ask the price, I go with a burning gaze to the rows with the PM. Here SHE! (by the way, a compact Bosch) My breath stopped in my goiter, I open the door, YES !, I inhale the smell, YES! YES! : girl_claping: touching the panel YES! YES!! YES!!!WANT!And he staged an ugly scene: mad: Shame and nothing more! In short, I overestimated my strength in decorating my husband

We, besides me, have two more daughters of 14 and 10 years old, he does not wash dishes in principle, just as he does not cook. Maybe, if there is nothing, you can just do with "Rolton". By the way, the fact that we have girls, he, byaka, also puts it as a reason not to buy PM. They say they won't even be able to wash a mug, Shame. And I told him: "Well, then let's throw out the washing machine, we will teach them to wash!" He: "If I tell someone at work they will laugh at me" I - "And if I tell someone, then all-Wow, I also dream about her" In short, an ambush.