fugaska
I myself have not tried it yet, but my friend does exactly that! she even has a convenient place for such a bottle. only her dishwasher is not a desktop one, but a freestanding one ... she has a Samsung. and also such a cool blue backlight inside ...
insava
Quote: iris. ka

We arrived at the store to ask the price, I go with a burning gaze to the rows with the PM. Here SHE! : girl_love: My breath stopped in my goiter, I open the door- YES !, I inhale the smell- YES! YES! : girl_claping: touching the panel YES! YES!! YES!!!WANT!

And yet they found a "key" to their husband
Congratulations
toffee
insava, the story turned out a little different, but this is hush! not in this thread. The main thing is she is and I'm glad. True, somewhere, in something I expected a different result, but in something I was pleasantly surprised. Hands do not reach to lay out pictures. There are a lot of questions about loading, I wrote about some above. Probably all owners of desktop PMs communicate in other topics.
Vitalinka
Quote: jessie

I bought such a cleaner today. I understand that you need to use the entire bottle just by putting it in the dishwasher and removing the sticker from the neck. Right?
Right! I also use it.
toffee
Vitalinka, what does it cleanse from? From smell, grease, fungus? It is not entirely clear, again, how from a sealed bottle. Even without a lid. I should have asked Jeffrey, but he's not showing up here. Vitalinka, move your post to the topic "Choosing a dishwasher".
Vitalinka
iris. ka, I don't know about the fungus (I haven't seen it in mine), everything else is cleared. The bottle is placed with the lid down and the washing program starts. After the end of the program, the machine is as good as new. True, my PMM is not a desktop one, but 45 cm. I clean this PMM 2 times a year.
toffee
Vitalinka, thanks for the explanation, can I start the program without dishes? and the program is the hottest or no difference?

Question about rinse aid. It is not necessary to fill it every time, as I understand it. I have foam at the bottom of the PM and recently discovered it in one place on a plate. In my PM, I think the salt level, rinse aid is not displayed. As laid down at the plant it is .... Well, maybe I'm wrong. And more about the modes. I don't see much difference at 50 degrees. and 75 degrees. Is it possible to stupidly choose one and constantly use it? On another forum I read that from constant washing at high temperatures and a simple detergent glass becomes cloudy?
toffee
Girls, owners of desktop PMs, read on another forum that in small PMs you can wash the dishes after each meal on a short program and literally pour a teaspoon of powder. I have it 30 minutes 45 degrees. Don't laugh at me, I'm still a loser in these matters. If it is written to wash glass and crystal on a short prog, then so be it. And the plates, spoons can not be washed, or not?
Creamy
In my 60 cm Boche there is a 45 program about C, for 29 minutes. The most used program I have.
insava
I also turn it on several times a day. Today, for example, I started it 3 times, because there was seafood soup and it was necessary to wash the plates and bowl from the multi after dinner.
And in the morning after breakfast, too, a lot of dishes have accumulated, and right now I'll turn it on again after the meat dinner {I don't like to leave it for the night}
And I usually set the program for 70 minutes. with drying 45 degrees - it is actually for glass, but I have a hit number 1
Everything is laundered normul
I just rinse it lightly under running water, and dose the powder as it is loaded
lega
Quote: insava

it was necessary to wash the plates and bowl from the multi after dinner
insava, You are a brave woman, once you wash the bowl from the multi in the PMM.
Quote: iris. ka

Girls, owners of desktop PMs, read on another forum that in small PMs you can wash the dishes after each meal on a short program and literally pour a teaspoon of powder. I have it 30 minutes 45 degrees. Don't laugh at me, I'm still a loser in these matters. If it is written to wash glass and crystal on a short prog, then so be it. And the plates, spoons can not be washed, or not?

The washing temperature should be selected according to the degree of soiling. If the dishes are very greasy, then be sure to set the high-temperature program. Otherwise, the PMM drain pipes become clogged over time. Fat deposits accumulate on the pipes and narrow the lumen, disrupting the work of the PMM.

The crystal does not need to be washed on high-temperature programs, because with a significant thickness of crystal products, they may not withstand sudden temperature changes and will be elementary cracked.
Creamy
I wash for 29 minutes at 45 about C, because I do not have water meters. I ate, brushed off the remnants of food with a silicone spatula, rinsed the plate with boiling water (I just have boiling water!) From the tap with hot water and wash my practically clean dishes for only 29 minutes. And once a month or every two weeks, I run separate dishes on the program for 2 hours 15 minutes at 75 about With a vigorous tablet.
lega
Quote: Creamy

I wash for 29 minutes at 45 about C, because I do not have water meters. I ate, brushed off the remnants of food with a silicone spatula, rinsed the plate with boiling water (I just have boiling water!) From the tap with hot water and wash my practically clean dishes for only 29 minutes. And once a month or every two weeks, I run separate dishes on the program for 2 hours 15 minutes at 75 about With a vigorous tablet.

And I think that there is no need to rinse the plates. Not for that PMM was bought, then to arrange a "pre-wash". Of course, I do not allow large residues on the plates. And I scold my boys for half-eaten food. If you can't eat, don't put too much on your plate. And the leftover sauces rinse off perfectly.
And there is no escape from the water meters. Gradually, everyone will be forced to deliver. Does everyone have electricity meters for electricity? By the way, I am now temporarily, I live where there is no PMM, and the counters are. Sometimes I conduct an experiment ... How much water does it take to wash the dishes by hand. The numbers are impressive. PMM is much more profitable.
insava
Quote: lga

And I think that there is no need to rinse the plates. Not for that PMM was bought, then to arrange a "pre-wash".
I always rinse with boiling water, just like Creamy
It's not particularly laborious, especially after having washed with your hands all your life - it's NOTHING at all
And the filter is always clean, and there is no smell
insava
Quote: lga

wash the bowl from the multi in the PMM.

And why not 45 degrees. do not wash
Especially after seafood and fish
Anyway, you can't wash it with your hands in life.
It's better than porridge with "fish flavor" IMHO
lega
Quote: insava

I always rinse with boiling water, just like Creamy
It's not particularly laborious, especially after having washed with your hands all your life - it's NOTHING at all
And the filter is always clean, and there is no smell
insava, do you also have water meters? Hot water is expensive, so I think that "pre-washing" with boiling water is wasteful and not justifiable. If the dishes do not wash immediately, but are collected in the PMM, then I simply turn on the rinsing mode and I do not observe any odors and a dirty filter in the PMM.
Quote: insava

And you are a stern woman. I do not accept such expressions in my family.
: girl_haha: Apparently your kids are small and you put them on a plate with spoons. My are already adults, and they take food themselves. To the amount that happens on their plate, the expression "pile" is quite suitable. In this case, we do not mean the quality of food, but the quantity and method of movement. Quite a decent decent verb. When the son comes after the gym, takes a saucepan with a side dish and row a mountain on a plate, then he has no time for cultural spoons. If I put food for them myself, I always ask - how much? Therefore, if I haven't finished eating, then I scold ... because I have to throw it away. With small children this is understandable, but for adults ... then there must be good reasons ..
Quote: insava

And why not 45 degrees. do not wash
Especially after seafood and fish
Anyway, you can't wash it with your hands in life.
It's better than porridge with "fish flavor" IMHO
Is it the temperature of the wash? Non-stick coatings can withstand temperatures up to 200 degrees, which then be afraid of the maximum possible in the PMM 70 degrees. In PMM, aggressive detergents are used, besides (if you do not wash with a gel), they are also abrasive. Therefore, Teflon or the so-called "ceramics" simply shortens the service life, and changing the multicooker bowl is still a "song".

insava
Quote: lga

your kids are small and you put spoons on a plate for them. My are already adults, and they take food themselves. To the amount that happens on their plate, the expression "pile" is quite suitable. In this case, we do not mean the quality of food, but the quantity and method of movement. Quite a decent decent verb. When the son comes after the gym, takes a saucepan with a side dish and row a mountain on a plate, then he has no time for cultural spoons. If I put food for them myself, I always ask - how much? Therefore, if I haven't finished eating, then I scold ... because I have to throw it away. With small children this is understandable, but adults ... then there must be good reasons ..

My son is 19 and my husband is 46. Both go in for sports. A son from 5 years old, and with very energy-consuming kinds of {not chess} - at first sports. gymnastics, and now boxing and exercise equipment. Well this is so, by the way
jessie
Girls who have desktop Boshiki, please write how long different programs run for your dishwasher, otherwise I have a very long process.
lega
Quote: insava

My son is 19 and my husband is 46. Both go in for sports. A son from 5 years old, and with very energy-consuming kinds {not chess} - at first sports. gymnastics, and now boxing and exercise equipment. Well this is so, by the way

insava, let's not discuss our families and philological preferences in the PMM topic. I never expected my short remark to evoke so many emotions. If you were jarred by my expression that you are a brave woman, then with apologies I take my words back.
toffee
Quote: jessie

Girls who have desktop Boshiki, please write how long different programs run for your dishwasher, otherwise I have a very long process.
Jesse, how long is this? I do not have a word in the instructions about the duration of the wash. I think this is a minus. By vigilance for the PMM, the following time was displayed: at 65 degrees. and at 75 degrees. washes for 2 hours. Fast 45 deg. washes 30 min. Eco washes for more than 2 hours.
jessie
Thank you very much, then everything is fine, I have the same
It's just that I haven't washed at 45 degrees yet, only at Eco and 65 and I thought that all programs run for 2 hours
toffee
But it is interesting to ask experienced PM users. Eco from the word - economically, but what does it save? Water? But she takes the difference in water into the light. Washes for almost 3 hours and only 50 degrees. What can be washed on it? It is clear that "yes at least that", but still, is this one of the undemanding programs?
~ Tatiana ~
Quote: iris. ka

But it is interesting to ask experienced PM users. Eco from the word - economically, but what does it save? Water? But it takes the difference in water into the light. Washes for almost 3 hours and only 50 degrees. What can be washed on it? It is clear that "yes at least that", but still, is this one of the undemanding programs?
Saving in this case on the cost of electricity.
Nikasa
Quote: ~ Tatiana ~

Saving in this case on the cost of electricity.
so this is an hour saving, and the program runs for three hours, during which time it spends more energy than the usual 65 degree program
Jefry
Consumption of e-mail the energy of the machine does not depend on the time of the program. And on how much water and to what temperature it will heat it. Usually, one set of water is passed per eco and the temperature is as low as possible.
~ Tatiana ~
Quote: Nikasa

so this is an hour saving, and the program runs for three hours, during which time it spends more energy than the usual 65 degree program
She does not perform all programs with water of 50 degrees, but only washing and drying.I opened the instructions, and on the eco program in Bosch, a preliminary rinse with cold water, and with an intensive 50g. Washing 50 and 70, respectively, 65 and 70 respectively, drying with heating, here's the savings.
Nikasa
Quote: Nastenka_1

I'm 100% sure of one thing, that you can't wash it with your hands!
Nastenka, my dishes, washed by hands, were always as clean, some even cleaner than after the dishwasher. It's just that instead of liquid for dishes, there was always baking soda on the sink, and they washed it with it. The dishwasher simply saves our hands and time - that's what it's made for!
toffee
I completely agree. PM is not a panacea for dirty pots and pans. It's just a helper. With pens, I would also wash some things with household soap so that the powder manufacturers turned green with anger. Duck no! Give me a washing machine (and a crystal glass! (C)).
toffee
Users of desktop PM tell me. I do not have a rinse aid setting. The last times I sprinkle the powder at least, at the bottom of the machine the foam becomes more and more, it remains here and there on the dishes. Yesterday I took out the dishes with wet hands - they are slippery (someone already talked about this), I had to rinse them under the tap. Where, what am I doing wrong.
Marinchik
I have a small Electrolux dishwasher. In mine, the flow rate of the rinse aid is adjusted in the depression where you pour the rinse aid. Depending on the hardness of the water, you need to set the value ... I have number 3 on it ...
insava
Quote: Marinchik

I have a small Electrolux dishwasher. In mine, the flow rate of the rinse aid is adjusted in the depression where you pour the rinse aid. Depending on the hardness of the water, you need to set the value ... I have number 3 on it ...

Similarly, only I have Indesit, and I bet on 2 - everything is normal
pelmen_ka
Quote: insava

Similarly, only I have Indesit, and I bet on 2 - everything is normal
% and how many digits of the rinse aid in the car. I have 6. I bet on 4 or 5. I have a delph
insava
6 provisions. I also tried different things, stopped at this value
pelmen_ka
Quote: insava

6 provisions. I also tried different things, stopped at this value
And how is the quality of the dishes after washing? No divorces? White bloom?
insava
Quote: pelmen_ka

And how is the quality of the dishes after washing? No divorces? White bloom?
The result is good, but this is due to many factors {quality of the product, water hardness, etc.}.
I was lucky, I was not immediately mistaken with the choice, and I use only these means
From goodness, as they say, goodness is not sought
Tabletop dishwashers
Read Temka about means for PMM. I like the powder because it turns out economically. I put a few dishes, half a spoon, a lot, whole
pelmen_ka
Quote: insava

The result is good, but this is due to many factors {quality of the product, water hardness, etc.}.
I was lucky, I was not immediately mistaken with the choice, and I use only these means
From goodness, as they say, goodness is not sought
Tabletop dishwashers
Read Temka about means for PMM. I like the powder because it turns out economically. I put a few dishes, half a spoon, a lot, whole
Thanks for the advice. I've already read all the forums. I've tried so many things. Until I stopped at the finish line all in one - pills. Liked. And now I bought a powder finish too. And I haven't seen anyone like you on sale. I wanted to buy something environmentally friendly. I tried organics sonnets. Did not like. Washes nothing. I wanted phosphate-free products. Since I use Dakos for washing. Like it very much. There is no smell at all. White washes super. So I wanted to use safe products in the dishwasher. But they don't wash.
insava
Quote: pelmen_ka

Thanks for the advice. I've already read all the forums. I've tried so many things. Until I stopped at the finish line all in one - pills. Liked. And now I bought a powder finish too. And I haven't seen anyone like you on sale. I wanted to buy something environmentally friendly. I tried organics sonnets. Did not like. Washes nothing. I wanted phosphate-free products. Since I use Dakos for washing. Like it very much. There is no smell at all.White washes super. So I wanted to use safe products in the dishwasher. But they don't wash.

I also tried Finish pills {2 pills my friend gave "for trial"}, but they are not suitable for all programs, only for long ones, and my most "move" - ​​for a little over an hour and every 2-3 weeks I run it on longer rapids with high temperatures
And we only sell such funds in the Metro
pelmen_ka
Quote: insava

I also tried Finish pills {2 pills my friend gave "for trial"}, but they are not suitable for all programs, only for long ones, and my most "move" - ​​for a little over an hour and every 2-3 weeks I run it on longer rapids with high temperatures
And we only sell such funds in the Metro
Yes, that's for sure. But I bought the finish powder today. They advised. I've already tried it. Class. Washes everything. And tea and coffee bloom. Everything glitters and creaks. I'm happy. Only we don't have enough dishes. There are three of us. Especially when the husband is at work. We have this finish in all stores, but the cheapest in the metro. But in general, the choice of funds for PM is very small.
pelmen_ka
We also have final grinding, somat and organic matter.
toffee
Here is the vaunted Bosch! : mad: I have no rinse aid settings. (n) I looked everywhere, looked everywhere, poked around everywhere. I don’t know can write on their website? Does anyone know the address?
Luysia
Quote: pelmen_ka

We also have final grinding, somat and organic matter.

Domol is a good product, it washes well and is cheaper than others.
fronya40
girls, and who has pmm delfa?
Irma
iris. ka, look in the instructions. Bosch must have electronic settings. I have Siemens, it does not adjust mechanically, only with buttons.
salanna
I read yesterday because I had nothing to do with local temoks and decided to show my assistant
I have a desktop Kandy, the budget was limited to 8 thousand, so no boshes were considered
moreover, considering different dishwashers for about the same price, I think that they are generally made at the same factory ... one-to-one filling, buttons and functions too
I'm 10+ happy with my typewriter, every time I mentally thank the inventor who still doubts - take it without even thinking ...
there are, of course, some fetishists who like to wash by hand, but this is not about me - I would automate everything in general, if it were my will ... I also dream of a robot vacuum cleaner
we are 2 people, wash every night, and if I eat alone or a little, then 2 days are filled
of course, already spoiled, we drink from mugs once
that's what I stuff into it to the maximum, it washes off perfectly, the main thing, of course, is to spread it out correctly
hard to see, but there are 4 more transparent plates in the corners
Tabletop dishwashers
yes, the frying pan peeled off, although there was a sign that it can be washed in the dishwasher
I had to buy new dishes, flatter and standardized, because the old dishes were of different colors, deep bowls ... and only 3-4 plates were pushed into such a micro-machine.
well, having a dishwasher, you need to have many additional sets of dishes so that there is always something clean, while the dirty is waiting for washing now we have 15 spoons and forks for two, and there are 20 plates
though now I would still buy a narrow floor-standing one, this one does not include baking sheets and grates from the stove

by the way, I dismembered the instrument tray, there is one more such part, maybe someone needs it, I'll give it
toffee
Well, you don't fucking hit the machine !! I somehow do not dare to put a greasy frying pan on top of the plates, I think it won't wash everything.
I also have a tabletop, but it's under the sink in a cabinet. If anyone comes, they look around in surprise and ask where is my PM.
salanna
Well, the frying pan is not straight from above, it is between the plates in the center at about the same angle, there is free space there.
I slightly shifted it for clarity
but it washes normally
My mom was also in shock when she saw me stuffing her 60cm for two, and she lays out everything clearly on the thing
I'm already so used to the fact that it is on the table, it's very convenient to load it ... I can't even imagine, bending over every time ... although it turns out like the lower tier of a regular ...
I just shove so much that if I put it all out to the fullest every time, probably everything would fall apart ...

I dreamed so much about a typewriter, and so flew, when I finally got it, I shared my joy with everyone, sometimes even by force
I advise everyone, everyone, everyone !!!
somehow everyone got used to washing machines, and they can't imagine their life without it ... but when I say that it's also convenient, they don't believe, it seems like you can wash it with your hands ...
olesyia
Quote: salanna

by the way, I dismembered the instrument tray, there is another such part, maybe someone needs it, I will give it
salanna would very much like the other half of your basket, otherwise my basket is too big and I can't divide it. If you haven't added it yet, I can pick it up
olesyia
Thanks again for the basket! The size is what you need!
salanna
Use it for health Finally, it will work, otherwise it is already stale
Suslya
huge thanks for the idea of ​​dividing the basket !! I got my own and pulled it out, it turns out yes! from 2 parts she, torn her into two halves, ooooooo now a completely different matter! Well now, whoa-something-current won't fit there
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