Ernimel
Do you have a water meter by chance? just if yes - then you can provide a business case. Let him try to wash a sink full of dishes in 10 liters of water! Yes, for each cup at least half a liter is spent, I suppose. And so - no one, perhaps, can help you here, except to provide moral support. Your husband is yours, and if you can't find a key to him ...

Well, you can also, for example, try to walk through his spending and needs. For example, bad habits or costly hobbies ...
AlisaS
iris. ka, I sympathize. Hold on!
Unfortunately, ultimatums will not help. A man, he will be ripe for such a purchase when he himself sees the need for it. For example, the argument could be the time spent together, rather than washing the dishes. Although, of course, it seems that this is just a little 5 minutes there, 5 minutes there ... And a lot of time leaves nowhere ... I was so persuaded to buy a dishwasher. I thought I was doing everything quickly. But in practice, it turned out that this is really a very good assistant, moreover, an economical one.
I wish you success!
Sens
Quote: gypsy

More and more people in Japan are using compact dishwashers installed next to the sink. (C) Panasonic
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or you can ask you to tell more or give a link.
I would buy this !!!!
sazalexter
Sens Don't need this. If it's too small then Electrolux
Sens
Quote: sazalexter

Sens Don't need this. If it's too small then Electrolux

it is necessary sazalexter , you need ...

Are you talking about the usual desktop Electrolux?
sazalexter
Sens About the usual. And the one in the photo has a significant drawback, it is a complex mechanical cover. And it seems to be sold only in Japan. In general, there is no it, it's a mirage or a fake whatever
Sens
Quote: sazalexter

Sens About the usual. And the one in the photo has a significant drawback, it is a complex mechanical cover. And it seems to be sold only in Japan. In general, there is no it, it's a mirage or a fake whatever

Yes, I noticed the complex structure of the lid. but the Japanese also have reliable things.
and Japan is not on Mars either. We buy cars there at Internet auctions ...
Ernimel
If you want a megacompact and savings, then you can get a small one on some taobao, which is connected to the tap, does not eat electricity and drains it into the sink

like here:
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And there are generally such strange things:
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In general, they don't connect anywhere - you pour water into it, and it heats it and feeds it to the brush ... such a hybrid of a dishwasher and a steam generator turns out))
Sens
Quote: Ernimel

If you want a megacompact and save money, then you can get a small one on some taobao, which connects to the tap, does not eat electricity and drains it into the sink

like here:
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oh ... .... the floor is the most important thing in the household!
where is it from? where to look? what is the name of?
lega
Quote: Sens

oh ... .... the floor is the most important thing in the household!
where is it from? where to look? what is the name of?

And here is the poor transliterated translation ..
"Attaches to any standard sink, does not need electricity, uses water power to safely purify and air dry four cutlery in just ten minutes! Ideal for small kitchens at home or office. Ideal for small kitchens at home or office. Plastic, 15 1 / 2H x 19 "D Carolceller weighs less than ten pounds, 19" connecting hose, includes extra faucet adapters. Plastic, 15 1 / 2H x 19 "D Carolceller weighs less than ten pounds, 19" connecting hose, includes additional tap adapters. "
toffee
Here you all boast that (if you try) quite a lot of dishes fit into a compact one. Hmm! And the photo is only on the first two pages, if you are not bothered by dear owners of compacts, post a photo. I do not envy, I do not envy, I do not envy (oh, what did I say that out loud?)
Luysia
Quote: Luysia

Dishwasher BOSCH SKT 3002 EU I have almost two years.

Today I saw such (or almost such) dishwasher in COMFY, the price is 2299 UAH.They have some kind of action, if someone needs a dishwasher, and there is not enough space or the family is small, then this is the best option.
Suslya
Quote: iris. ka

Here you all boast that (if you try) quite a lot of dishes fit into a compact one. Hmm! And the photo is only on the first two pages, if you are not bothered by dear owners of compacts, post a photo. I do not envy, I do not envy, I do not envy (oh, what did I say that out loud?)

Well, for example, evening load, a saucepan of 5 liters, cans, cups-spoons, plates .. for three of us + a small kitchen oh! little PMM find

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Luysia
Suslya, what is yours?
Suslya
Delfa, in front of NG in an Internet-shop I dug up for 1572 UAH, how not to take it?
Luysia
Quote: Suslya

Delfa, in front of NG in an Internet-shop I dug up for 1572 UAH, how not to take it?

I have Boshik. I think that the price is 2299 UAH. also super for this dishwasher. (On Photos, the price is now 2884 UAH.)

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toffee
I look-look at your pictures and a question arises. My bottom on the pans is pretty smoky, but yours isn't. Is that so the dishwasher washes? And what else did she launder that you couldn't and why were you very surprised?
Suslya
I also had such a black rim on the side, as it was hot, washed off somewhere after 2 sinks. There were white bowls, my mother's, old Soviet ones, and they seemed to be clean .. washed .. and when they pulled them out from the PMM, they became snow-white, two washed and one remained, as they put heaven and earth next to them. A kettle-press, this little pen that goes back and forth, it was black, the net could not be washed in any way, it was washed five times, it became as good as new.
toffee
I read in the reviews about the PM about the Bosch SKS 60 E 12 model:

Pros: Washes fine, all functionality is in place
Cons: Died from a cockroach running through it inside !!! Shorted it there. And it died so that the electronics died all. They counted the repair for 10 thousand. It's easier to buy a new one. Apparently there is very delicate electronics inside.

Is it really true?
kns
We have been using this Boshik model for a year now. Happy as an elephant. I don't want to think about breakdowns yet. Installed above the sink instead of the dryer in the existing recess in the wall. No cockroaches or ants have been seen yet.
Pingvinus
I want to buy a compact dishwasher, in online stores and on the Foxtrot network they sell inexpensive and rather nice PMM Delfa: Delfa DDW-3201 (WQP6-3201) for UAH 1300-1400 only with buttons and Delfa DDW-3208 (WQP6-3208B) for 1400 -1500 UAH also with a screen. Reviews on the Internet for them are mostly positive, the only thing is not clear which one is better with or without a screen. If anyone uses these, tell me how are they quality?

Quote: Suslya

Delfa, in front of NG in an Internet-shop I dug up for 1572 UAH, how not to take it?

Suslya, could you tell us your impressions about your Delfa dishwasher, how it has been in use after a year and what model do you have?
Suslya
great impressions! I’m happy with my little thing, just today I told my husband that a monument should be erected to the one who invented the PMM-shki, left the house, started the machine, came, everything is clean and dry.

I have a Delfa DDW-3201

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Kras-Vlas
Quote: kns

We have been using this Boshik model for a year now. Happy as an elephant. I don't want to think about breakdowns yet. Installed above the sink instead of the dryer in the existing recess in the wall. No cockroaches or ants have been seen yet.

kns, if you do not mind, what is the height of the control panel on this PMM? It is necessary to understand whether the door will fully fold back. You are welcome
Kras-Vlas
Cheers cheers! Finally, we bought and connected PMM! Bosch SKS60E12EU !!! I get great pleasure from communicating with her!

Quote: Suslya

... a monument should be erected to the one who invented the PMM-shki, left the house, started the car, came, everything is clean and dry.

I agree with every word! A completely different life began
Thanks to everyone who shared their knowledge and experience !!!
Rina
And my desktop Bosch was mocked. The water began to remain at the bottom, and even a lot of greasy deposits. Already at the maximum program with powder, I drove without dishes, and cleaned the drain hose with a cut of the electric cord. There is a suspicion that the outlet of the drain tube is clogged into the sink drain. I suspect also because the filter (reverse osmosis), which also has a waste water drain next to the dishwasher, dramatically reduced performance.
Luysia
Rina, just in case, I'll ask ...

You remove and clean-wash the grate (and the round strainer) which are dishwashers underneath?
Rina
If not at every dump, then at least once a day I clean.
Luysia
Then it must have hammered further down the drain pipe. We also clean, how many byaki are collected ... Not the most pleasant activity, but necessary ...
Rina
On the weekend my husband will come - he will clean the drain ... or tomorrow, if I get out of the house, I'll buy a liquid mole (there is no trust in powder ones).
Ukka
Quote: Rina

There is a suspicion that the outlet of the drain tube is clogged into the sink drain.
You suspect correctly!
I regularly clean the drain under the sink, since it's plastic, it's like this ... Fossilized fat on the walls. Until I bought a liquid mole, fill it with soda, fill it with hot water, let it stand for half an hour. Then cover with vinegar and rinse under running water. Should help temporarily.
Rina
I have "Everything is more and more wonderful" (c)

She freaked out, drove the dishwasher with a brew of soap and soda at the maximum cycle - at the end of the cycle, water remained in the machine, moreover, with soap. I selected some of the water, took off the filter, took (sorry) a plunger and smelled it in the recess where the drain hole - from there all sorts of jellyfish-like garbage crawled out (we don't have a nauseous emoticon). Launched a drain - the effect is still the same, that is, no. She removed the drain pipe from the dishwasher from the drain under the sink, dig deeper into it (poelozit inside with a piece of electrical cord). I twisted it back, started the dishwasher again to drain the water. It got a little better, but still the water did not go well. I decided to clean the drain glass ... as soon as I took it, a corrugated tube going into the sewer flew off it. And how it is attached to it, I did not understand at all! The impression is that the connection was just end-to-end, without any fastening. Okay, I realized that I was left without a sink, without a filter, without a dishwasher and without a washing machine ... I closed all the valves, decided to take a look at what was in the drain. And two pieces of something that strongly resembled lime fell out of it. As I understand it, this is something from washing and possibly dishwashing powders (in any case, the same "lime" in my powder compartment in the washing machine is not washed off by anything!).

In general, for today and tomorrow I am without water in the kitchen, drinking water, dishwasher and washing machine ... I brought drinking water, I will wash the dishes with my hands, I will wait with the washing ...

Cinderella, damn it ...
jessie
I ask for advice.
Who knows the reviews about the Indesit ICD 661 EU Dishwasher? We have Electrolux and this indesite in our store. About Electrolux earlier in Temka it is written that it seems not very good. If you do not understand correctly, please correct it. About Indesite I did not find. And I really want a typewriter, so the question is to take it in the Indesit ICD 661 EU store or order Boshik in the online store. And another question for those who ordered in the online store: do you need to connect the machine through the service center or can you yourself (so that the warranty does not disappear)?
Taia
Quote: jessie

or order Boshik in the online store.

or order Boshik
Creamy
I am also for Boshik. Why desktop? It's almost as expensive as a full-size one.
jessie
Thank you very much, so I will order Bosch.
Full size is great, but ...
Firstly, there are two of us and there is no need for a large dishwasher.
Secondly, I have a non-standard rebuilt kitchen, furniture was made to order and clearly inscribed in all corners and bends. Under the sink I have a large cabinet, where a desktop PMM will become completely calm and with a large margin.
Therefore, there is no need to rebuild and chicken furniture in order to put a large PMM in which you will have to collect dishes all day, and after that load half-empty ones.
And the PMM really wants to, in our city with hot water there is a lot of tension and in winter, hands simply fall off from the icy water.
insava
Quote: jessie

I ask for advice.
Who knows the reviews about the Indesit ICD 661 EU Dishwasher? We have Electrolux and this indesite in our store. About Electrolux earlier in Temka it is written that it seems not very good. If you do not understand correctly, please correct it. About Indesite I did not find.And I really want a typewriter, so the question is to take in the Indesit ICD 661 EU store or order Boshik in the online store. And another question for those who ordered in the online store: do you need to connect the machine through the service center or you can do it yourself (so that the warranty does not disappear)?
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This is my Indesite ICD 661 EU
Bought in August 2012. Plugged it yourself (plumber from ZhEK)
Washes well, enough for a family of 3
BUT about 2 days ago there was a loud noise for 5-10 seconds when the water starts to drain. I called the service center, they promised to send a service man
I continue to use, the noise does not affect the quality of washing
toffee
Interesting. We read one topic, but the opinion is different. I learned that Electrolux is worthy of attention, and Indesite is criticized. Is only Bosch the coolest?
sazalexter
From the desktop, oddly cool Electrolux
Luysia
And I love my little Boshik so much .... I would only change it for a large one.

Maybe I'm wrong, but everything related to water (dishwashers and washers) must be Bosch.

When my old Indesit washing machine dies completely, I will also buy Bosch.
jessie
Tell me please. The instructions for the machine say "After the end of the cycle, open the door after a while," And "for a while" is about how much?
Creamy
20-30 minutes is enough.
Sens
Quote: Creamy

20-30 minutes is enough.
enough for what?
Creamy
My daughter and I in the dishwashers (the city has extremely soft water - 2 German degrees of hardness) immediately after the end of the dishwashing cycle, there is a little foam at the bottom, although the rinse aid is at the minimum value. So, during these 20-30 minutes all the foam bubbles burst and there is no foam. Well, another reason why the manufacturer asks to withstand this time is protection against possible exposure to hot steam, if you immediately open the dishwasher, then the steam is really very hot (we have Bosch)
jessie
I also have a little foam when opening, but the rinse aid level is at an average value. It may be worth rearranging it to the minimum, but our water is hard, the level is set to 3.
toffee
And for me .... And I .... I bought a Bosch SKS40E01RU dishwasher. They installed it for me, I'll take a picture and post it. Recognized the hardness of our water, said "average", how much? What stiffness should I set? And yet, in the store they sniffed me salt, rinse aid, tablets and PM cleaner. If you wash with tablets, then salt and rinse is not needed? And lay the pill completely or is it a lot? Tomorrow I'll come home from work, I'll try. A-A-A! Hurry. It got to the point of being ridiculous. For several days the PM stood in the corridor, waiting for the master. So I dragged the dishes into the corridor and learned to load them. Carefully examined your photos of loading PM. Tell me, put the plates in each pin? On some photos, I would say the load is "with a slide", for example, from Susli, and how? washes everything?
Taia
iris. ka Congratulations!
I always put half a pill.
Even if you use pills, they advise to fall asleep with salt, I always fall asleep. And the rinse aid is poured, I set the minimum level.
After buying a dishwasher, I adjusted the settings in my dishwasher for a very long time, there were constantly stains. Now everything is settled.
toffee
Flaksia, do you really even use half a pill with a narrow PM? What about the cleaner (liquid), to use after every wash? And write about the dishes.
Taia
It seems to me that it is narrow, that it is a desktop, there is not much difference in volume.
What kind of cleaner are you talking about? If about a similar one, once in half a year. And to lay out the dishes - over time, you will develop the skill yourself. It is difficult to advise here. They all have different dishes.
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toffee
I still haven't posted my photos. And the question arose. How to place glass wine glasses, in the form of a tulip, so that they do not overturn? The pins are not an option, really with your hands? In general, I have a fear that small tea mugs, lids and even small things will fly around the machine. But if I put the mugs on the stand, then they scrape on the top of the PM when closing.And yet, if the dishes are motley - there are plates, and wine glasses, and mugs, and a saucepan, and a mitten, which mode to choose? Or sort it out as in washing - first one, then another.
jessie
Quote: Flaksia

What kind of cleaner are you talking about? If about a similar one, once in half a year.
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I bought such a cleaner today. I understand that you need to use the entire bottle just by putting it in the dishwasher and removing the sticker from the neck. Right?

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