Choosing a dishwasher

Rainbow stains (and a sticky feeling) - we reduce the rinse aid, whitish ones (glass leaching) - we reduce the salt, like this.

[Hairpin]

I don't understand. I have the same machine as Shpilka, and the dishes are wet after the short program, so I don't use it. I have to try again. Hairpin, and what means do you wash on the short program (can you use it?)? And how soon after the end of the program do you open PMM?

[Beanbag]

Beanbag!
1. On you you can;
2. Powder Calgonite;
3. Somat rinse (I didn’t know that it is not the best). Then I'll try something else;
4. Salt Somat.
5. I open it in 30-40 minutes.
6. I'm talking about a program where the number is 45.

Natalka!
There is a drying class, but I don't see a turbo or something else!

[Hairpin]

Hairpin, do not rush to draw unambiguous conclusions about Somata, based on reviews. I had time to compose my impartial before I heard them. So here is my opinion, somat washes and rinses off better than calgonite and others by an order of magnitude. By the way, I suspect that water is still important here. Ours is pretty soft.

[Dear forum users]

Hello everyone!!! Dear forum users, tell me please, did anyone use powder for PMM from Amway, I use many means, and why no one remembered about him, in my opinion everything was in order there with washing, everything was laundered cool, they LOC are generally an irreplaceable assistant everywhere, and for the kitchen I liked the dishware, and the savings are good , I just read about Somate, Calgonite, maybe it's great here too? It is designed for 15g for medium pollution, and 20g for strong, so when calculating it is clear that 93 washes are enough. Maybe I am wrong???

oh, girls, and I'm with my Beko again. Yesterday I decided to try washing on a 30-minute program, somewhere in the forum I found that I need to add half a tablet, otherwise everything will be in foam, I added half a tablet, and the dishes are still partially in foam ... I decided to rinse in PMM, but the foam did not disappear- so partly it is well rinsing is so bad and even a quarter of the pill, should I throw it

[milena20111984]

milena20111984 Use not pills, but separate means, and you will be happy

oh, girls, and I'm with my Beko again. Yesterday I decided to try washing on a 30-minute program, somewhere in the forum I found that I need to add half a tablet, otherwise everything will be in foam, I added half a tablet, and the dishes are still partially in foam ... I decided to rinse in PMM, but the foam did not disappear- so partly it is well rinsing is so bad and even a quarter of the pill, should I throw it

1. Tablets are not suitable for short programs, you throw a whole or a half.
2. It is generally not recommended to divide them. All funds are on them in layers. And they work as they dissolve, this takes time. I read about it somewhere, but I won't tell you where. And you violated it.
Dont be upset. I also made a couple of such blunders at first. It took several pills to the car and once bought it myself. But now I take everything separately and no problems.

I didn't succeed with Somat (for 30 minutes) and with half of Top Nauz everything is fine, but I agree, it's better for a short program with powder. But I have never had any foam.

thank you, thank you, I understood everything, but it’s the seller who gave the pills when the PMM took them, so I’ll use them and I’ll take the powder and the amount of powder I need, there is a distinction between 15 and 25, at my discretion I’ll put the powder
they do not write anything on the packs, and yet what powder is better to take. calgonite, somat or whatever I find in the store? we sell calgonite

[Pogremushka]

Pogremushka and what else did you use ??? Calgonit bad ??? Yesterday I was in Auchan, so I saw there both Somat and Calgonit and tablets and powders, with rinses ... lost what to take and how profitable, powder 2.5 kg or tablets 56 pcs. or the stock was 56 + 14. If you take the powder, then definitely also a rinse aid, and if you take tablets. then nothing in my opinion is not nuna, I understand correctly ??? My dishwasher is already in Kiev and should, at best, come to me on Friday, if it doesn't work, then on Monday

After the action, my pills were lying around for 2 years, I would not take it either, to the garden ...
Salt, powder and rinse (Calgonite Foreva!) Are all you need. You can also buy a "stink" and a fat cleaner

In .... I understand .... and how much do you add on average to not very dirty dishes of powder, rinse aid ?? 40-45g - powder and rinse? I read about this dose, if not, then correct

Rinse aid - under the sensor. But how far to put the sensor ... According to the instructions, if stripes remain on the dishes, then you need to reduce the rinse aid. And about the powder - half a box. Probably about 1 tablespoon.

[Svetik_]

Svetik_ Powder 20g, the rinse aid is dosed by the machine itself, I have 1 (minimum) Salt is dosed according to the hardness of the water. Check with the vodokanal or at your branch of FGUZ TsGiE

I have used calgonite in both powder and tablets. After it, a pungent chemical smell from the PMM and from the dishes remained. I used Kristal-fix powder. If you lick a clean plate after washing with this product, your tongue stings. Both products were poorly washed off, in my opinion. I used Claro in tablets (I have not met in powder) - I was not impressed. Heard that Yplon is being praised. But I didn't come across it. I used somat in tablets and powder. I like it in all respects. In comparison with other products, it washes even broth plaque from pots better, has a much less pungent odor, rinses off better, at an affordable price. Better to take funds separately. So you can regulate the consumption of each of them and thereby achieve the best result, in addition, it will be cheaper in the long run. In our stores, mainly calgonite and somat are found. And if the first is in powder, and the second in tablets, I take the second. All IMHO. To be fair, I will say that there are opposite opinions. I think it's best to try and choose everything yourself.

[Jefry]

Jefry Yes, I haven’t seen this yet ...... but about the "stink" for how long it lasts ... it is also worth it, like a rinse aid, in Auchan I saw something for about 30 UAH, and the rinse aid 1L-45 UAH ... Over time, this problem arises with the smell ??? Or is it better to get it right away ???

And I didn't have any smell in the typewriter, so I think that I don't need a "stink" (freshener). Even on the ixbt forum I read that this freshener is too vigorous, that then the dishes smell very much of it.

Maybe it is needed when the dishes accumulate there for days? And if not for long, then ... Well, not to mention those cases when I launch it in half an hour, but it happens when I fold it in the evening, and only launch it the next evening. Well, when at work.

[Jeffrey !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]

Jeffrey !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hairpin, I'm already physically beginning to feel that someone is calling me!
I think from the "title" it is clear what this is about. For example:

IMHO, a useless thing, how many dishes do you need to keep there so that the smell goes?

People! Does anyone know how to determine the model of an embedded PMM? I kind of looked everywhere, but found nothing! And I put the instructions somewhere neatly and now, probably, only with scissors and a bow can be found !!!

I went on my own and looked - there was a sticker on the side of the door ...

[Hairpin]

Hairpin The "stinker" is needed to fight off (refresh) the smell of not the dishes but the PM itself, especially if it is old, and short programs are actively used.
You also need to periodically use a dishwasher cleaner, for example or

According to the instructions, the cleaner is poured (poured) in a measured amount simply into the dish compartment, to the bottom.

[Cake]

That is, once a month I need to pour such a cleaner into the powder compartment and run it to the full program. Then I won't have a bad smell.
Once upon a time Cake wrote that ... it seems she flooded the Ferry and everything was cleaned up great.
Jeffrey, I will kiss you in the evening, otherwise my traffic is limited here.
For myself, I realized that I don't need a stinker at all, but I need a cleaner. The only question is where to put it ... I think, after all, in the compartment for the powder!

The whole bottle is used at one time, meaning Calgonite. The cover is removed, the foil is peeled off the neck, placed upside down in the upper basket empty cars and starting. (I don’t remember which program, but it is indicated). I do it from time to time, about once every six months.

For a couple of years I used liquid cleaners (such as calgonite), until my aunt (she lives in Italy) advised me vinegar, many of them just use vinegar, put on the max program, drink max vinegar in the compartment for powder or tablets and that's it, but in as a smelly lemon slice, they took out the dishes and if the machine is empty, hang the slice, take it out before loading, I really rarely do this, because I will only unload, a new load is on the way

[Cake]

Once upon a time Cake wrote that ... it seems she flooded the Ferry and everything was cleaned up great.

Hairpin, don't confuse people with misinformation! if you pour Faery, there will be a sea of ​​foam and the car will fail. I poured some (a couple of tablespoons of tablespoons) Domestosa, right to the bottom of the machine and launched any "hot" program but without preliminary rinsing (so as not to wash off the liquid prematurely) In my opinion, it was perfectly disinfected with hot water in such a time. But I can’t say for sure - the laboratory did not wash BEFORE and AFTER. But the fact that all the smells have completely disappeared and the car has become like new (in the sense that there is absolutely no smell!) - I can attest to this with all confidence.

[Cake!]

Cake!What program is it without pre-rinsing? And which Domestos is needed? There are just so many of them now, and after what time should this procedure be done? It's just that I have a Veko, so I'm asking you.

In my dishwasher, programs without preliminary rinsing are 2- "quick and clean" 65 * and .. I forgot a pancake for the night looking ... Tomorrow I'll see ... In principle, you can turn on "Intensive" and track when the preliminary rinsing cycle ends. As soon as the machine starts to re-draw water, pour Domestos into it. Which one is not important. They are all the same in the composition (with chlorine), and the fragrances are different.
After what time, your nose will tell you. They opened the door, and from there it shies with mustiness, just right. I washed it 2 times in a year. There is no unpleasant smell.

[Cake]

Cake!
Why didn't you just use cleaners like those Jeffrey uploaded? What if chlorine can corrode something somewhere?

[Hairpin]

Hairpin The most interesting thing is that no domestos, or any other non-specialized product will NOT wash the PM, because it is not able to wash the polymerized fats, but will only mask odors, like the "stinker". Domestos contains sodium hypochlorite, amino oxide, lauric acid, perfume, dye.ALL! That is, we kind of kill microbes, but fats and deposits will remain as they were. To wash PM, alkali is required, moreover, a higher concentration than in powder for PM, which is used when washing dishes

I wonder why it depends on the fact that for all the years (more than 7 years) of using the PMM, there has never been any smell in it? Didn't even know that there was a similar problem at all!

[Anastasia]

Anastasia This depends on the dishwashing detergent used, the composition of the water (for example, the amount of dissolved iron) and greed the economy of a housewife (householder) in the dosage of dishwashing powder, and the frequency of using short programs.

[Hairpin]

Hairpin, I saw bottles with cleaners in supermarkets, and, over time, I was going to buy them. But it turned out that I rubbed a couple of very dirty trays with Domestos, and after the "soak" it was terribly lazy to wash them and I turned on the dishwasher program. As a result, the trays were crystal clear and the car odor disappeared.
sazalexter after reflecting on your messages, I think. that you are right. It just seems to me. that an unpleasant smell is given by waste products and decomposition of bacteria and microorganisms. If the odor is gone, then most of the bacteria have been killed. And this, logically, is the work and merit of Domestos. But about FAT and DEPOSITS, yes ... Domestos is unlikely to help ...
I also want to say that if you use "long" programs, the smell does not appear longer.
IraidaThe dishwasher is the perfect work surface! It does not vibrate, does not heat up ... Put kitchen utensils on it, or a rack for storing dishes, or use the table as you like ... Just protect it somehow .. My children cut everything with a knife, they adapted to cut bread, damn it. .. Until I noticed, already scratches

I get rid of unpleasant odors in two ways.
1. First I start Rinsing - a program for 8 minutes, then something long, this is with a light smell, if the dishes stand there for a couple of days without being washed.
2. If it does not help, pour out a packet of ~ 2 Dr. Otcher citric acid into some container and put it on the lower shelf.
And yet, when loading the machine, I rinse the plates-cups under running water to wash off the remnants of food. I literally hold the edge with two fingers, under the stream and back. But the seals around the door have to be wiped manually

[Hairpin]

HairpinRecently I have been using the Frau Schmidt Cleaner. There are two bags in the box, very convenient: one for the washing, the other for the dishwasher.

[Hairpin,]

Hairpin, do not take any at all. There is practically no scale in the dishwasher, salt is an assistant.

I remember that at the beginning of mastering the dishwasher I conducted experiments in terms of saving detergent. We pour less - the plates are clean, even less - clean again, no powder at all - oops, clean anyway! But, in my opinion, here knowledgeable people have advised that the plates are clean, and the machine somewhere inside is dirty. Now I don’t save on powder, I sprinkle a line, even if the machine is half empty. Since she will wash herself along with the dishes, no one will wash her (for which I love her even more). I think you can not bother much with special tools, but use the same powder or tablet, running the hottest program without dishes. This was what they advised to do to a comrade who was very persistently interested in how it is possible to "mothball" the PMM for three months. In general, this is not necessary, but if you really want to ...

The hairpin has been mine for a year only on a short program, there are not any smells in the typewriter, so do not bother with special means for now, if you wash half a year, then it will be visible.

[Svetik_]

Svetik_, I read the whole Temka, but I did not find the answer to your question ... I am about Amway ... I also use their washing powder and LOK, but about the powder for the dishwasher .... Expensive but they have. .....: (Have you tried? Sensations?

To save money on salt, salt is successfully used for water softening devices (they sell cantors that deal with filters and water treatment)
Tableted salt is called with a purity of 99.9%, it costs $ 6-8 in Kiev - 25 kg (but in a bag of tablets 3 cm in diameter * 3-5 cm long, you need to check whether they fit into the salt compartment (they fit into the Whirlpool))

Girls, boys ... I need your advice
Today I launched my Electrolux for the first time, it was written that before starting it was necessary to pour 1 liter of water into the salt compartment, but this is only the first time, which I did, but a whole kg pack went there, 1 kg of salt ate, I was here I read that someone has less, and then they fill up, but this is normal in general ??? I have it written that if water pours out of the funnel, then this is normal. But pouring 1 liter of water only for the first time ...... Accordingly, the salt indicator went out for me ... BUT ...... I was given Calgonit tablets to load and I decided to wash with a tablet, setting the function of the Tablet, at me it Multitabs, put it on the Auto program and went to wash ...after washing, I pulled out the dishes ...... so the top was wet, but the bottom was not .... why ??? I read in my instructions that if such wet dishes come out, then there is no or not enough rinse aid ... but if the tablets are needed or not ??? It turns out probably YES. Who has any thoughts on this?

[Svetik_]

Svetik_ when using tablets, salt is needed, but no rinse aid. The fact that 1 kg of salt was consumed with the right inclusion is good !!! The suite has a large compartment for salt "You can't spoil the porridge with butter", and there will be no salt (forget to add it when switching from tablets) and the resin will be bad, and your wallet

[sazalexter]

sazalexter why, then, is the top dish wet ??? Maybe something is wrong ??? So I have been reading for a long time and everywhere either this or that, or maybe it was necessary to wait a little when it dries out ??? I don't understand

[Svetik_]

Svetik_, most importantly, don't panic !!!
Here this has already been repeated a hundred times, but I will try to draw a parallel with the main topic of this forum. Imagine your answer to this message: "bought a bread maker, bought some ready-made mixture, poured in some, poured in some water and the bread did not work, did not rise, the color is incomprehensible and generally tasteless ... Help, what to do?"
You need to "feel" the new PMM, aim at it, understand it ... Especially if this is the first machine and there is no operating experience. Tablets are convenience for you, not for the dishwasher. It is better to start with separate means, then you will gradually find a common language with her, dear. You did not specify what was above and what was below. Plates dry best, a little worse - everything is metal, and plastic, in theory, is not obliged to dry there at all. If the plates were wet at the top, there is clearly not enough rinse aid. Was the dishes clean the first time?

Girls, boys ... I need your advice
Today I launched my Electrolux for the first time, it was written that before starting it was necessary to pour 1 liter of water into the salt compartment, but this is only the first time, which I did, but a whole kg-pack went there, 1kg of salt ate

The PMM did not gobble up the salt, it will now be gradually spent for a long, long time. Do not worry. And in my whirlpool, almost 2 packs of 1.5 kg each are poured into salt at a time! So everything is all right with you!

[Pogremushka]

Pogremushka and people then complain that then they start to woo ......... or until the new one does not touch anything, and then just drive it away with odorants, right ???

[Svetik]

Svetik, my PMM is 2 and a half years old. I have not encountered the problem of unpleasant odors (except for those that come from unwashed dishes awaiting the next launch). Accordingly, I have never used any additional means for all the time. But I really rarely use the short program, and the problem of smells arises for those who often use it.

Today we bought PMM and, accordingly, the question arose of purchasing funds for her .. Girls, how do you determine what to buy, I do not know. Nowhere on the box did I find an indication that this is a powder for PMM specifically for washing dishes, that salt is for softening water, and only on the rinse aid it is written that it is a rinse aid. And only at home, under a magnifying glass, I finally found that it was powder for washing dishes, and at first there was a warning in case of contact with eyes, mouth, etc., and only then it was written that this was a dishwashing detergent. Madhouse, why not write in languages ​​where the goods are delivered, what kind of goods it is, and only then write warnings. Pozh. tell me, special salt (prevents the formation of scale), is this exactly the salt that is needed to soften water? or you need to buy something else.

[Basja]

BasjaSalt needs special Calgonite, for example or Crystal fix
for filter regeneration in PMM, powder for washing and rinse aid from the same companies. It is possible and cheaper, only the result can be unpredictable.
ZY Crystal fix powder without abrasive, if you wash a lot of crystal or glass

I have a question about salt setting. If you set the salt level incorrectly, then how it will manifest itself.4 squares on the indicator strip have changed color. I set the salt to 5. Did I do the right thing or not?
Sometimes I have dried sand on the dishes. What does it happen from? Help!!!!

I'll clarify a little, if there is little salt, and the water is hard, the ion exchanger will fail (Shpilechka, I'm sorry to correct, but suddenly the owners of PMM without a heat exchanger decide that they can relax). If there is a lot of salt, glass will leach out at high temperatures (indelible cloudiness), in addition, many note that the plates are salty, if you lick other contraindications, the salt overruns do not have. Where the sand comes from in the machine - I have no idea. The first is from the water supply. It is treated by installing an additional filter. The second is fake detergent powder with sand (version). There are no abrasive additives in normal powder. They are in some tablets for stubborn dirt. At first, I was confused by the black grains in the bottoms of the cups, which appeared from nowhere. Most likely it was carbon deposits washed off from the pans.