Choosing a dishwasher

I have the same problem. Today I was rinsing all the dishes after washing. She began to get it with wet hands - and she slips (if you take it with dry hands - the dishes are perfect), licked her tongue as it stung! The soda is not very bitter. I began to take out the dishes from the previous wash and also lick - the effect is the same, just fuuuuuuuu Calgonite powder, somat rinse, somat salt + calgonite. The water is pre-filtered through a carbon filter, and before the filter, it is already soft and clean. Salt and rinse aid are at a minimum - at 1. I put 2-3 tsp of powder. BOSCH SRV 55T13EU car.
By the way, there is still such a moment, it seems or not, I don't know. It seems that when you use a new powder, the first times the dishes are washed really better, and then worse, until I buy a new powder. Am I completely hallucinating or not? As with toothpaste - at the beginning of the tube it is always of higher quality than at the end ...

set the salt to 2, turned off the rinse aid completely. the dishes are slippery anyway, and there is foam on the bottom after the end of the program



I also want to try pills, maybe it's better with them

[Lisss's]

Lisss's, I'm not from Kiev. I had the same amount of foam when I poured a lot of powder - to the level of the line in the tank. I began to pour less - there was no foam.
With the pills, I'm even worse at it - outwardly clean, and even more slimy to the touch with wet hands. The tablets are designed for a full load of 60 cm of the machine, well, that's where we are.
You add more rinse aid - less baking soda, more slimy.
I will try to wash with vinegar instead of rinse aid, but I don’t know how to pour rinse aid out of the dishwasher. Many machines say directly in the instructions that you can use table vinegar. I do not recommend it, because I have not tried it myself, I just read on the forums that they do this, especially the inhabitants of Europe are fond of.
I bought a Japanese powder yesterday and I will try it too. I want to lean towards Japanese products, so Lyon was looking for gel, but so far I have not found it.
In general, it seems to me not everyone, but many have such a problem, just few people pay attention to it. Outwardly clean, and okay.
By the way, I opened the machine on the last cycle of water intake - the dishes are sausage in cloudy whitish water, and then drains and dries. Does everyone have it? It feels like it saves water a lot, an infection.

I tried a little bit of powder and rinse aid. The powder is pure soda, the rinse is bitter. So it is the powder + rinse that gives the taste of "bitter soda". The problem is either in the detergents or in the poor-quality rinse cycle of the machine itself.
A friend washes with pure soda instead of powder, 2 tsp. for a cycle, you can try ... Instead of a rinse aid, I'll try table vinegar. I'm not sure about the result, but at least it's edible.

[Lisss's]

Lisss's Does your PMM have an electronic salt plant? Or just mechanical? or both?
Find out as accurately as possible the hardness of the water, it often helps to fur local forums in order to find out the truth.
Salt Regenerates the ion exchange filter that reduces hardness of water.
Zubastik Detergent powder It is a strong alkali + surfactants. No baking soda, which is a salt Baking soda, can fully replace it
Rinse aid
Some contain citric acid to remove powder residues.
Try to replace the rinse aid, powder (firm), maybe it got a fake?

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, and I'm not talking about a complete replacement, I just want to try what the result will be.
why do you think that u Lisss's salt problem? Does salt get into the water used to wash the dishes? Sorry if the question is stupid ...

[Zubastik]

Zubastik In a dishwasher, water is first drawn into a special container - then from there it enters the washing area through an ion exchanger. After washing, at the moment of draining, brine from the salt tank enters the ion exchanger. And the ion exchanger is cleaned.
If there is no brine (this is when tablets are used), then a very weak salt solution comes in (this is the remainder of the tablet dissolving in rinsing water) and the ion exchanger is not cleaned.

If you fill the ion exchanger with brine at least once, it will remain alive. The problem may be if the ion exchanger does not work or there is none at all in this model
But it seems to me that the matter is in the detergent and in the rinse aid.

Maybe someone else should try the washed dishes "to taste"? I can't - I just choose. Is it a certain salt or powder that gives this effect?

Maybe someone else should try the washed dishes "to taste"? I can't - I just choose. Is it a certain salt or powder that gives this effect?

Until this moment, she had never licked her empty dishes, but she was perplexed by her questions. I went to lick my plates. And with wet hands she touched them. Both unsalted and non-slippery. I used to use Calgonite and Somat. I bought Top House pills a week ago. I tasted the dishes both freshly washed and washed long ago. It's okay! Salt is 1 (out of 7), but our water is very soft. Rinse aid for 3 (out of 6).

Could it be the number of liters consumed? the more economical the car, the less washes? although manufacturers should take into account .. True, I always put an additional rinse in the washing machine - I do not like the strong smell of detergents .. it is a pity that there are no two additional rinses ..

I licked my plates too. Not salty, not slippery. Somat powder, Somat salt, Calgonite rinse. The only thing, the first time when Somat began to wash the dishes smelled. now it seems not.

The slime club is expanding!
I, too, washed somat and was pleased at first, the dishes smelled strongly, especially if taken out after a couple of hours, so generally tin. Then all the forks-spoons darkened, I had to manually shine it. I began to look for another powder, the choice is just not thick.

She licked the dishes with splashes of water, and dry. Splash water tastes like water. Dry, too, no taste, no color, no smell ...

Here, too, I am always haunted by the thought: what remains on the dishes washed in the PM after the rinse aid? Therefore, I try to wash cans for canning without it. Maybe in vain, but I don't want to eat excess chemistry.

That's why I raised a question about harmless (phosphate-free) dishwashing detergents in PMM. I wanted to know who could use it.
I began to be embarrassed by the foam in the cups (when pouring tea), but I had no idea about licking the dishes.
I also licked my plates this morning. It's good that no one caught me doing this. And then after the 1st plate I did not understand, I had to lick a few. I looked at myself from the side - oil painting. The plot just asks for a canvas - "The girl licking a plate"
There was no aftertaste (although the plates were not only washed), it would be necessary to repeat the experiment with licking, but immediately after washing.
I have Domol powder, Domol rinse, Calgonit salt (it is larger than Domolovskaya).
Whirlpool 80 machine (6th sense), that is, it decides how much to wash and how.

[Boo Boo]

Well, I licked mine too. I felt nothing. Salt - Calgonite.

Boo Boo!!! You and a plus! Otherwise I wouldn't have come running here!

Yes, this is normal! Raise your hands who have NOT licked their plates!
For those in doubt, I can advise you to unscrew the salt and rinse aid to a minimum and wash the dishes once without any detergent. And compare the taste ...
I have all three Domol funds.

[Lisss's]

Lisss's, and what program do you use? How long does it take?

[Jefry]

Jefry I didn’t lick And it wouldn’t occur to me
I use Finish-Calgonit all the time. Always an excellent result, for many years ... I tried Somat, I didn't like it.
Kristall-Fix - I looked at him .... but it comes out too expensive

[Jefry]

Jefry I didn’t lick And it wouldn’t occur to me
I use Finish-Calgonit all the time. Always an excellent result, for many years ... I tried Somat, I didn't like it.
Kristall-Fix - I looked at him .... but it comes out too expensive

sazalexter, What did you dislike about Somat? The fact that the smell remains or how it washes?

[Berry]

Berry The smell does not remain and it washes worse, especially protein dirt

[Lisss's]

my dears, thanks to everyone who joined the process of "licking" the plates for the benefit of others !!!

I left the city for a week, came back - and here is so much new and useful

Lisss's, and what program do you use? How long does it take?

soap and on a normal program 60C - 2h20min, and on a short - 45C - 29min. the result is the same - slippery and salty

The foam in the cups (when pouring tea) began to embarrass me ...

here, and my foam appeared

I will continue experiments tomorrow

Well, I put the salt at 2 (out of 3), the rinse aid at 1 (out of 3), the detergent put at least 15 ml. there was no more foam in the machine when I reduced the detergent. but when I take the dishes out of the machine with wet hands, they are slippery; if rinsed under the tap, this slipperiness goes away. there is nowhere else to reduce the rinse aid all the dishes were rinsed under the tap

Lisss's try to find Japanese PM detergents.

[tanya1962]

tanya1962, I just according to your feedback and tried to find them - so in fact we do not have them in Ukraine

But after all, not everyone has Japanese funds, and forum users write that it is not slippery. I no longer have salt and soda, but still slippery. I now think, probably, it's a typewriter ...

Lisss's I don’t think it’s the typewriter, when you run out of the rinse aid try to make a sink without it.

I'll try to turn it off completely - I can set it to zero ..

but someone from the members of the forum said that a rinse aid is needed, it removes the remains of detergents ...

You can try Lisss's once for the sake of experiment.

I started using these German dishwasher products.




I use the wash mode 50 * - about 30-35 minutes and put 1 \ 2 tablets.

While satisfied

[Lisss's]

Lisss's, this is somehow strange ... Try to unscrew the salt and rinse aid to "0". Let the dishes be spotted once, but should not be salty and slippery in any case.

HAPPENED!!!

salt - 2 out of 3, rinse aid - 0, powder - 20ml, program - 60C, 2h20min. there was no foam in the pmm, the dishes were wet, but NOT SLIP, and the taste was NOT SALT, I no longer believed that this was possible

what to do now and wash without rinse aid?

[Lisss's]

Lisss's, IMHO salt 2 out of 3 is a lot ... In our area, usually 2-3 out of 10. Put on 1 at least. And add a little rinse aid. Can I put on 1?

[Jefry]

Jefry, I put the rinse aid on 1, it was slippery I'll try again

UPD: but I had salt for 1, not 2 so many times that I have already forgotten

now salt and rinse aid at 1 out of 3, let's see what happens ...

Are there no intermediate values? 0.1, 0.2? Or is it just an electronic setting? In general, I heard somewhere a proposal to dilute the rinse aid. Maybe this is your case? Well, if 0 is a little, and 1 is a lot ...

In general, I heard somewhere a proposal to dilute the rinse aid.

there are no intermediate ones, only 0-1-2-3 ..

washed with salt - 1, rinse aid - 1.the dishes are not salted, dry, but if taken with a wet hand - slippery

therefore I added water to the rinse aid! tomorrow I will experiment further.

... the dishes are not salty, dry, but slippery if taken with a wet hand

That's how it is with me.
But I'm so glad that the dishwasher washes it, and not me with the handles, that I just try not to take out the dishes with wet hands. Well, so as not to bother about chemistry.
But the foam in the cups still began to strain. So I started thinking about detergents for PMM without special chemistry.
Is Kristall-Fix safer (harmless) than Domol? And then I read, read the labels, and did not understand.

Is Kristall-Fix safer (harmless) than Domol?

As far as I understand, the main feature of Crystalfix is ​​a less aggressive attitude towards glass. And they even attribute this property to their salt, in which, in principle, there should not be any additives. I use Domol, my glass (ordinary Turkish) on "non-glass" programs along with plates. So far, there are no deviations such as clouding or iridescent stains.But the family crystal, just in case, is still my hands.

[wet]

the dishes are not salty, dry, but slippery if taken with a wet hand

As far as I understand, a rinse aid is needed so that the water drains off faster and the dishes dry better. So when you take her wet hands she probably slides. If I am wrong, then correct me.
Lisss's, why are you taking it out with wet hands?

[Lisss's]

Lisss's, why are you taking it out with wet hands?

Berry, I somehow accidentally discovered that the dishes were slipping under a wet hand, and since then this has haunted me. again, foam in cups

I am by no means a maniac about a healthy lifestyle, but we have a 1.5 year old child and a doctor husband, and it’s unpleasant for myself to see that you drink foam in tea, it’s not clear why

set to wash with diluted rinse aid (thanks to the wisest Jefry for advice), wait, we'll see everything

UPD: diluting the rinse aid worked !!! the dishes are a little slippery, much less than before! when a little of the rinse aid is gone, I will dilute it still, otherwise it does not take it anymore Jefry, thanks for the hint, they say for sure that all ingenious is simple !!!!

I keep diluting the rinse aid all the time, it's a pity I can't set the salt to 0 in any way, that is, it is at the minimum value, but the icon that has run out lights up regularly. And dots on Teflon, and iridescent stains on dark dishes ... Damn, how good it was when I didn't add anything, now again a dance with a tambourine ...

I noticed that the dishes ceased to be salty-soda as well as from the fact that I reduced the amount of detergent powder. At first I didn’t know how much to put, and put an almost full tank. now I put 2 tsp. with a slide - up to the mark 15, and washes remarkably well, and is not salty at all

the dilution of the rinse aid also affected the slipperiness of the dishes - the dishes slip very, very little, much less than I think before, in the next. once I will pour diluted 1: 4!

but in general I really like my PMM! glasses and glass. the cups just turned blue and the forks sparkled, and the plaque from the plates washed off well!

thanks for your advice, dear forum users! thanks to you, my PMM and I found a common language and are now happy with each other

[Lisss's]

Lisss'sTwo tsp for your PMM IMHO a lot! I put less than half of the mark on my 45 cm, (less than 15g) and a little more in the pre-wash

there it doesn’t reach mark 15, I have mark 15, then 25, and then a full container. so I put about 1/3, and the narrow lower third stopped at this amount, because the water on it in the bottoms of the cups became clean and unsalted ...

and what, try, or what, 1 tsp? for experiment ...

If there are no pots, I also add 1 tsp of powder - everything is washed well.
I didn't like Pilotex powder very much. It is relatively inexpensive, but somehow it doesn’t get enough sleep, granules of different sizes, the smell is not very good, it seems to be washing well.

Who can say anything about Kristall-fix powder, is it worth buying or not? My Amway is coming to an end, I want to try something new, I don't like Calgonite and Somat, I haven't found anything else on sale in Dnepropetrovsk, yet unknown crystal fix.

Long ago I took it - normal. I had no complaints about him. Now we don't have it, or I'm watching in the wrong places. I take Domol in the DC.

Who can say anything about Kristall-fix powder, is it worth buying or not? My Amway is coming to an end, I want to try something new, I don't like Calgonite and Somat, I haven't found anything else on sale in Dnepropetrovsk, yet unknown crystal fix.

I took about 2 years ago. I barely waited until it was over, I won't take it anymore. I didn't like it at all. Strong chemical smell from it, it seemed that it was not washed off at all.

about slippery dishes - I noticed that with diluted 1: 3 rinse aid on long programs the dishes are not slippery at all, but on short programs they are still slippery

I have a question about salt. I used to use Calgonite salt. Salt when set to 5 was enough for 2 weeks.Then I rearranged it to 4. Enough for a month and 10 days. I bought Somat salt. Mine from April 30 to this day, the indicator is off. At first the salt was at 4, then some stains appeared and I put it at 5. It turns out that the Somat salt is enough for more, or do I have something with the machine?

I have a question about salt. I used to use Calgonite salt. Salt when set to 5 was enough for 2 weeks. Then I rearranged it to 4. Enough for a month and 10 days. I bought Somat salt. Mine from April 30 to this day, the indicator is off. At first the salt was at 4, then some stains appeared and I put it at 5. It turns out that the Somat salt is enough for more, or do I have something with the machine?

I have the same thing, to be honest, I do not really understand why it is not spent so much. Siemens machine. Somat's salt is clearly coarser, maybe it dissolves more slowly? But I don’t know how good it is for the car, because the fact is that this salt must restore the ion-exchange resin in our car, and if less salt ions go there, it turns out that the resin does not regenerate normally. I did not find anything about this on other forums.