Furniture for kitchen

And there is no problem of fishing out the bottom plate

But there is a problem of stumbling over the metabox when distributing food, if, like mine, it is on the way to the pots of food on the stove.)) Then I lifted the door and it will stand open until everyone crawls for dinner and I finish serving ... Because one suddenly needs this, the other needs this, and serve each one on a new plate. You can't use the Metabox, I tried to keep the tableware there at first. Plus, he shakes so, poor fellow, when these twenty kilograms (or how many are there) I urgently pull back and forth, that I felt sorry for him.
Well, I will not pour water into the chipboard cabinets in our climate on pain of death. Although here the girls have already explained to me that so far everything is fine with the cabinets.

Why pour water into the cabinets?
By the way, dryers in boxes are equipped with pallets, if anything, or their bottom bottom is plastic or metal.

Wow, this topic prompts me to the feat of filming everything. I'll call my niece and I'll take a picture. I am now in a state of moving. From the kitchen of more than 9 meters I will go to 5.5 and I am going to lead my built-in kitchen there. The constellator - raped. But she shoved everything. Well, almost everything. At least the furniture fit all. But so far virtually.
I am interested in one question, to what minimum height should the cabinet with the hood be raised above the gas stove? There will be two burners.

Why pour water into the cabinets?

Because the dishes are put in the dryer - wet. The water flows into the sump. With the same success, I can just pour some water into a flat dish inside a drawer.
In general, it is interesting - it is recommended to hang wet clothes out in the open, and stuff wet dishes into an enclosed space. )) Not that I'm strongly against it, each is perverted in its own way. Sometimes you just want to find the logic.

Girls, why all the examples about drying in the upper cabinets? It's amazing to me! In the lower ones it is much more convenient. And it is more convenient to store in the lower ones. And there is no problem of fishing out the bottom plate

Olya, I have just such a drying, I showed a photo here, it's very convenient for me!

[Lena]

It is recommended to hang wet laundry out of the way, and stuff wet dishes into a confined space. )) Not that I'm strongly against it, each is perverted in its own way. Sometimes you just want to find the logic.

Lena, look, - this is especially for us illogical perverts:

By the way, the dryers in the upper drawers are also not always open.

Helen, to be honest, I would like a slightly different tone in the discussion. Here, no one is forcibly persuading anyone to do anything, any loyal opinion is appropriate here, and everyone is free to decide for himself what is suitable for him, and what is illogical and / or perverted.

[about]

Lena, look, - this is especially for us, illogical perverts:

Whoa .. This is better.))

It's not for nothing that I started talking about the climate - you can see in the photo that I have a small dryer above the sink, right? With a tray. So even maboutI put the bulk of the dishes in the dishwasher and when I put the little things in there, I drain the water from the pan by hand - it itself does not dry out in summer or winter, even in the open air, but starts spilling over the edge. And on the other hand, a wall dryer in another house was exactly the same, except that the tray was aluminum.

It's simple here - I pulled off the plastic corner and water poured right into the sink. But what if the tray is inside the cabinet? Suck with a syringe? ((

[Lena]

Lena, I don’t know HOW to wash the dishes so that the water in the tray overflows and never dries out.I have a dryer in a wall cabinet and with a thin plastic tray, so I don't even have a puddle, well, maybe a few drops will roll off the dishes. And if sometimes the water turns out to be a little more than usual, it dries perfectly in a miraculous way, the cabinet is not airtight.
Apparently, it depends on the hostess herself how much water accumulates in the saucer.

And there are wall dryers that have no bottom at all.

Apparently, it depends on the hostess herself how much water accumulates in the saucer.

It's not for nothing that I started talking about the climate

Not? Not an option?
Typical humidity in a room is about seventy to eighty percent. It is clear that there are even more in the kitchen.

Plus, I do everything very quickly - if I washed the plate, then it will instantly be on the dryer, even if it still drips abundantly. Not on the table or on the floor. Moreover, I have a convenient and easy-to-drain tray and I do not need to pre-stand the dishes or shake them off in order to remove excess water.

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, if you make a corner kitchen, you will sit like in a pantry)))) you have almost no window! this is a very important factor, all around the walls and doors)))
for that matter, you can make an additional folding table, although I have no idea where to stick it
Sveta, I have the same layout, in fact, the door is located in the same way, only the kitchen is wider, about 3m
the refrigerator is the same as yours in 1 picture, in the corner,
At first I wanted to put it in the line, but it's better built into the line, and I have a new one, I don't need another one, and the built-in ones are always smaller in volume
next to the refrigerator there is a table and 4 chairs, I plan a TV set on the wall to the left of the entrance
we removed the doorway, in general, all the way to the ceiling
you say that you will have a rack where you can put equipment? so this is generally a pestnya)))) how much space will be freed

and I'm sitting here now, looking and do not understand where to stick the corner here, add. countertops, it will be cramped for me, but I spend a lot of time in the kitchen, and I brought my laptop here)))

a friend has the same layout, she has a corner kitchen to the left of the entrance, the lower cabinets are at first narrow by 40 cm, then in a standard line of 60 cm, a built-in refrigerator ends the line at the wall (where is your window), all upper cabinets are up to the ceiling
besides that, there is a large table and 4 chairs in the kitchen
there is not enough space in the closets for her, there is not enough working area, the refrigerator is high, but there is not enough space in it (((and she cooks this 2 times a week, together with her husband they live for now, but I cook every day and I have enough space and space)) )

Tanya, I’m all in thought, until nothing was clearly in my head. Meanwhile, after a week and a half, I have a meeting with a consultant in the store. From the very beginning it seemed to me that nothing else could be done except in line. And then there were so many options. I liked the corner option, but maybe it's really cramped, it's hard to understand when I didn't use it and the experience is not enough. But it is significantly embarrassing that the price will increase 2 times ((
Yes, there will be a rack, it is still there, but it’s in the kitchen, and I’ll take it into the corridor by the kitchen doorway.

IMHO, the most correct option. And if here the window was a window in the right place, then it would be worth doing so. But these 20 or how many centimeters between the window and the wall spoil the whole picture. ((Probably, it would be worthwhile to still make a normal window by moving it to a standard distance, winning the corner at least under the column, at least under the refrigerator.

Lena, you can't move the window! Behind him on the right, damn it, an extension. In an amicable way, half of the house needs to be remodeled, a lot has been done very unwisely, but so far there is no possibility, so we are working with what we have.

[Bijou]

Bijou, apparently, you have too special a case with a dryer and a special climate in the kitchen to discuss it so aggressively all day long.

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, And if you make a window atthe same, but higher, so that the glazing area does not decrease, and a full-fledged pier turned out?

Lena, you can't move the window!

Clear. Yes, we had the same parsley!

We originally wanted a spacious corner kitchen. Exactly opposite to what is now visible in the photographs.)) Two long walls are excellent there. And on this one, where the boxes with dishes are now, there was a huge window to the loggia and further into the forest. Well, my husband wanted it so. And I walked around this hole in the wall, and in no way did I dance the image of the kitchen. First one does not fit into a convenient pile, then another ... And then I plucked up courage and asked - shouldn't we put this window on?

Well, they laid it down.))) Now there is a kitchen, and in the opposite corner there is a dining table, a TV and a sofa. In a little corner.)) And what is interesting - while the table was turned with its long side to the sofa, almost no one was sitting on it, everyone was choosing chairs. And as soon as this year the table was turned perpendicularly, the sofa immediately became habitable.

and that the kitchen should be done exclusively for yourself)))
listen to everyone and do it your own way)))

Tanya, truth!
Only here would be to understand which one will be YOUR option.
There are so many questions in your head, even elementary ones, is the bottom cabinet with 80 cm drawers convenient, or is 60 quite enough?
And here is an angular, straight kitchen, there were so many options))

[understand]

I see, you have too special a case with a dryer and a special climate in the kitchen to discuss it so aggressively all day long.

Ay, don't worry. I have fads when something is very understand I want to. Well, such a feature of the mind, I sincerely apologize. Bore, what to take from me ... This is not cured.

The artist is still one of me, of course. But here's how I would do "for myself" in this case (albeit offhand, without much optimizations and reflections):



I missed the distance to the door, so one row of drawers is superfluous.) Well, I dislike sofas of this kind, I could just do with chairs - practice shows that it is more convenient to dine with them, and take up less space. On the right, between the hood (the built-in is drawn, as the most accurate option) and the refrigerator-oven, you can fence at will, even the cabinets, even the open shelves (I don't really respect it either).

But you need to hide the heating nightmare somewhere else. But I do not impose this option - it is presented solely as an extra proof on the topic "how we are all different."

Lena, thanks for your version of my poor kitchen)
And how will the refrigerator stand on the right, if there is a window?

I would also consider an option near the dining area such

It is not a corner, but just such a shop with a locker. It takes up much less space than just a seating area. We have a similar set - a bench with a locker for 2 people and 2 chairs. Sometimes 3 thin guests sit on such a bench. And in my locker I have the "bins of the homeland" - cereals, pasta, starch, sugar, little-used kitchen utensils. The locker is shallow and is floor-deep. This is a good option for additional storage. And sometimes I can half lie down on this bench)))
And you can also just make a locker and on the wall near it, soft, thin foam-rubber pillows are attached directly to the wall and put the same pillows on the locker. I think I described it clearly, I can't find similar photos now. Such a solution is often made in small kitchens in the Housing Question, you can search. Places are generally minuscule.

Very nice)) I don't know, it's convenient, but nice)
Where did you buy one?
And the pillows are being erased?
Yes, and the option with a place under your feet, I think it would be more convenient.

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, And if you make a window atthe same, but higher, so that the glazing area does not decrease, and a full-fledged pier turned out?

Olya, it’s so ugly, it’s also going to be long and narrow. Seems even worse)
Yes, I already think, maybe the extension can be broken, it is still not needed, but who will do it and when
So I can't wait for the kitchen at all.

We have metaboxes almost one meter in length in both kitchens.)) Because there is more space without extra walls.I'd rather place the basket inside the basket than I'll huddle in the boxes - there is little freedom of maneuver, and there are a lot of thick partitions that eat up cubic centimeters,

And I was thinking about the lower cabinets of 60 cm - only under them there are Ikeev's basement drawers.

And how will the refrigerator stand on the right, if there is a window?

So this was the continuation of the conversation "what would happen if the window was in the right place away from the corner.")) Someone said that in similar conditions the kitchen was made angular, I agreed that it also seems optimal to me. So I drew the same angular version. He is not at all a recommendation for you to do so! This is just a breakdown of the corner options.

Girls, it turns out that pmm is 60 cm, after washing is 60 cm, that is, the upper cabinets are 2 pieces of 60 cm each. So what about the drying? I realized that 60 cm is not enough for 4 people. And the 120 cm closet is not in the store of the height that you want.

So this was the continuation of the conversation "what would happen if the window was in the right place away from the corner.")) Someone said that in similar conditions the kitchen was made angular, I agreed that it also seems optimal to me. So I drew the same angular version. He is not at all a recommendation for you to do so! This is just a breakdown of the corner options.

I see))) and I decided that this is all for me))))
It's better to come to me on YOU, we have been talking so much here, and all of YOU.
Yes, and I have already addressed to you)

[Anna]

Anna, in my opinion there are no more basement drawers in the new METHOD kitchens. They have reduced the height of the legs, thereby increasing the capacity of the cabinet.

[Anna]

Anna, in my opinion there are no more basement drawers in the new METHOD kitchens. They have reduced the height of the legs, thereby increasing the capacity of the cabinet.

But the boxes are for sale and the legs can be picked up. It is not necessary to attach them to these kitchens. My master will make the kitchen for me.

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, and you didn’t go anywhere, didn’t use samples? you probably have such exhibitions
I walked through our salons, pulled the boxes, poked, stroked, knocked, sat)))

My master will make the kitchen for me.

So maybe just let the boxes reach the floor and make, uh? So that then others do not buy and attach. Or are the ikey ones so good that it is impossible to repeat?

[Lisichkalal]

Lisichkalal Sveta, take your computer with you to a consultant, let him think over different options, calculate, and you choose

which once again proves how different we are)))
and that the kitchen should be done exclusively for yourself)))
listen to everyone and do it your own way)))

I totally agree

So maybe just let the boxes reach the floor and make, uh? So that then others do not buy and attach. Or are the ikey ones so good that it is impossible to repeat?

I didn’t even think about that. And the Ikeevskies all praise, I didn’t have them.

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, and you didn’t go anywhere, didn’t use samples? you probably have such exhibitions
I walked through our salons, pulled the boxes, poked, stroked, knocked, sat)))

Yes, you can't travel with my little ones, they are always with me. We looked only in 3 stores where we were.

I didn’t even think about that. And the Ikeevskies all praise, I didn’t have them.

Yes, and I did not.)) Even Ikea is not nearby, so I did not look at it.

I thought that if some kitchen cabinets were to cancel the legs as a class, lowering the side walls to the floor, then it would be possible to screw the guides directly onto these walls and put at least roller, even ball, even with a closer or metaboxes.)) Well, they have them. me freestanding cabinets without legs, on a frame ...

And then I realized that I shouldn't have thought it - the kitchens regulate each one individually, pressing it to the countertop. Eh, this idea was gone.

We looked only in 3 stores where we were.

Why look there, many have almost the same thing ... The same plastic, the same films, the same chipboard.The main difference is that you bring a licked project and ask to calculate it with one or another design.
And this is where the real difference comes out.)) Only you need to carefully follow the little things, otherwise, instead of the metabox, the videos will be counted and the price will please. Or they will save on the edge.

Well, and also, probably, one should ask whether they are doing exactly according to the customer's drawings - I somehow came across on the forum that in a big city kitchen workers refused to make non-standard cabinets for a person. I was stunned - I thought that the individual order from factory furniture is different, that all millimeters can be arranged for your convenience.

Hmm, what's the difference between videos and metabox?
In one store, leroy merlin, we were counted and given the bill.
In another, a German mobel fangrubbe, they simply drew a picture and announced the price. They did not give any pictures and no price list, they said it was forbidden to them!
They have all the furniture automatically comes with closers.
The consultant pulled out 1 drawer to show how to assemble furniture, a drawer on iron rails. (skids)
Better in quality than in the first store. But this jump with the price list is also more expensive.

Roller guides are the least expensive design there is. And she is the most unreliable. Rumbles, loosens, sags, warps ... In the last kitchen, I did not sharpen it and received a small box "for pans" on rollers near the floor under the oven ((They cost 50 rubles per pair in the store, probably, if not less.)) Usually incomplete extension.

Ball guides are already a normal thing. And more expensive, and more reliable, and more comfortable. They cost up to two hundred rubles per pair in retail, if the usual ones are reinforced, and twice as expensive if with an auto-finder. The extension is usually full.

Metaboxes are such things for which a traditional box is not needed - the sidewalls are parts of the guides themselves, extended on top in height with round limiter bars. Comfortable, with a door closer, quiet and reliable. The boxes for them are always with a hard bottom, there is a back wall, and the facade most often clings directly to the metabox, due to which there is more space inside exactly for the volume of the excess chipboard layer. Although clumsy sculptors and chipboard, and the facade is screwed to it.
Metaboxes are more expensive than other guides, the price depends on the manufacturer.

There are also fittings for the drawer to slide out after pressing it - it eliminates the handles on the surface of the facades. I don’t know how much it costs, we haven’t set it up yet.)

Lena, thanks for such a detailed answer
If furniture comes with closers right away, then it turns out that these are metaboxes or ball, right?

girls, and who knows how metaboxes differ from tandemboxes? I know that they are full-extension and with door closers. What else?

most became interesting. that's what they write

Tandembox and Metabox: the main differences

Tandembox is a box in which the back wall and bottom are made of chipboard, there is a metal wall on the sides. Tandembox is equipped with guides, thanks to which the drawer can be fully extended, withstands rather high loads. The system is equipped with an automatic closing mechanism, which ensures quiet and soft opening / closing.

In the metabox, the bottom and back wall are made of chipboard, on the sides there is a metal wall. Metaboxes are more convenient than ordinary boxes, since their movement is much easier, and when closed, they are retracted almost automatically. This allows you to significantly extend the life of furniture with this mechanism.

🔗

There are also fittings for the drawer to slide out after pressing it - it eliminates the handles on the surface of the facades. I don’t know how much it costs, we haven’t set it up yet.)

IKEA has such, they are easy to install on their own, they are inexpensive. It is called a "push mechanism" One is enough for the door, for a heavy box, steam is better

[Olga VB]

Olga VB, Thank you, I’m sharpening my grudge against him, but so far the experience is not enough, at first I’ll learn something from the usual. And there already uuuh how to turn around!
We have one weakly heated glazed loggia where I keep my flowers in winter. They are standing on what - all the tables at hand in the yard collected. And this is inconvenient. Today I just bought a three-meter countertop for twelve hundred, then I'll poke around the cabinets under it, and that's where I'll try these same "push mechanisms". For the room is long and narrow, the extra handles will still be too superfluous, it seems to me.))

[Lena]

Lena, so there are also hidden handles that are flush with the facade, otherwise if the place is narrow, you will accidentally touch it with your butt, and it will open in place and out of place.

Oh, I like the first one! But to insert the aluminum profile on my own ... I have to find out if I can. Yesterday I called my uncle, from whom we sometimes buy accessories. I ask about the confirmations and the drill. After a while, he guesses who is calling and gets lost - either seriously to answer me as a customer, or to laugh at the shifted aunt. Chooses something in between, I brush it off:

- Laugh, laugh! And I have already glued your edge and cut it off with a kitchen knife. It turned out so great!

Wondering ...

[Bijou]

Bijou, and how do you glue the edge? On my closet, which is next to the stove, it has come unstuck. It is clear that you can buy it with an iron, but it will come off again. Maybe there is something more stable?

I liked the layout of the kitchen, combined with the loggia!

It is clear that you can buy it with an iron, but it will come off again. Maybe there is something more stable?

The one that is ironed is melamine. I can't stick it nicely. ((A permanently white layer of glue is visible from the side. Therefore, we shove it into those places where it is completely, completely invisible, and we want to close the sections. And for visible areas we buy a plastic edge. It is of different thicknesses, but That fat uncle refused to sell me, they say, you can't cope with it.)) Therefore, the thinnest, it seems, was bought, 0.2 mm. It costs from three rubles to seven per meter, depending on the manufacturer.

It is simple to stick - the universal glue Moment is taken (I have it in a big jar for 300 rubles) or 88 (this is the name). And a small brush. We smear the end of the chipboard with glue. We set aside. On the Internet it is said for 15 minutes, everything has dried up for me for a long time. Therefore, I look with my eyes - how the dried and absorbed bald patches went through the glue - we smear the edge, previously cut off with a small margin, from the inside out. After 2-3 minutes, you can see that the glue on it thickened straight to dry and does not stick to your fingers at all.

We overturn the edge, apply one end to the part and smoothly lower it to the end with also slightly dried glue. It looks tempting to combine one side (overhang), so that later there is no need to cut, but better not.)) Therefore, we lay the edge along the part, leaving approximately the same overhangs on both sides. We squeeze with a rag, leveling, and then we roll it either with a hard (and not rubber for wallpaper) roller or at least a wooden block wrapped in cloth. Well, to stick well.

Well, that's all. A few hours later (I - the next day) we take an ordinary kitchen knife, cut off the hanging ends of the film, then apply it to the plane of the part and lead it along, cutting off the excess hanging edge. The final touch is to lightly run along the cuts with a fine sandpaper so that you do not accidentally cut yourself later. It looks much neater than melamine (read paper), and it holds on more firmly. The protruding remnants of the glue can be scraped off with anything under the arm, at least with a fingernail if a little.)) The network advises with acetone, I did not succeed. There is also some anti-glue, but I haven't bought it yet.

Fuh, I talked longer.

Flax, and Flax ..... can we cook it? Can you go to furniture makers? there will be so many people in the subject, you will travel all over the country

[tana33]

tana33, scoff, scoff!
I would have to deal with my hut.)) For several years we lived in anticipation that we were about to order kupeshechki in each room. A meter long under 4. And another hallway, and also other lockers, so that a headset ... Uh-huh, right now.It turns out that in a new building there are so many holes for investment, which, well, you really need to, you must, that your hands did not reach the cabinets. And last year, a kitchenette from the loggia was attached to one of the rooms, in the fall they flooded the kitchen to order. There is no kitchen even three meters away, but in November they counted 120 thousand, having translated the foreign exchange rates into rubles. Then, like some other client, they dropped it to 90. Okay, huh ??

Well, that's all, hopes of raising money for all the other lockers of ind-tailoring died a quiet but painful death.

We bought a plunge-cut saw, ordered in the DIY store so far only seven sheets of chipboard and a bunch of little things like loops-drills-screws-edges and we are trying to create something.) Something turns out, something is not very ... Well, and Okay, I'm not going to the exhibition - my husband built the whole house on a pebble and trimmed it on his own. From outsiders, the house was seen only by an electrician, whom the electricity network sent the meter to connect and seal.

As we did, so we will live.

And they counted me 2.5 thousand euros. This is a direct version of 3.4 meters. This is even with low cabinets, with high ones it means more expensive. And colors are very limited ((and collect yourself.
I'm afraid to think how many corner will be counted.

[Lisichkalal]

Lisichkalalhow is it to collect by yourself?

I do not know! We must bring the already assembled boxes. Precisely cut the countertop for the sink yourself, hang the doors, etc.