Furniture for kitchen

Here, too, my bar counter does not fit in with such a large dining table.
Here's to scale

Yasmina, you, in my opinion, have very little work surface, can the refrigerator be moved to another place, especially since the area allows? And let me also insert my 5 kopecks about the corner sink, or rather the space under the sink, in my first kitchen it was exactly the same as in your picture, this corner cabinet eats up a lot of space, and there is practically zero benefit from it. You can't make full-fledged shelves there ... What kind of stove are you planning, built-in or not? I would recommend a built-in independent hob and an independent built-in oven. I would swap the sink with the hob (if it is independent) Do you plan a microwave, if so, where will it stand or hang? You can make a column in which to place the oven at a level slightly below the countertop, and a microwave oven above the oven. You can put this column along the wall with a window and build a kitchen further from it.

I would also put a refrigerator to the door, and instead of it a column with an oven and a micrometer. And the lower cabinets are drawers to the maximum, without any shelves.
For me, too, the working surface is very small.

Ksenia, I support! I only have drawers right now, it's VERY convenient

[Yasmina,]

Yasmina, do you want to unfold the kitchen furniture? Put the table on the opposite side, and place the furniture along the wall to the left (if you look at the kitchen plan) from the door and further along the window?

Manya, on the other side, most likely all the eyeliner. And the table will not fit there, so that the chairs can be freely pulled out from the end sides.

Girls, yes, the wiring is basically all on the side where the kitchen is supposed to be ... But .. at the expense of the refrigerator, you should think about it and you can really move it to another corner ... There are also sockets, where the picture shows an additional table with drawers , by the way, this is also part of the headset and also with a table top. But instead of a refrigerator, you still can't leave just the surface of the table near the wall, a tall cabinet with a built-in oven would be very convenient there, for example. And I don’t have micros, I sent it to my husband to work .. because it took up a lot of space and I don’t use it. And my stove is good, and I'm used to it, Hephaestus with a grill, wide, solid) so the built-in one disappears right away. I will take measurements tomorrow

And I will write to you. And the table just in the picture came out so huge, in fact, from it to the kitchen 1.7 m, and to the proposed bar table about 1.5 m, but more precisely tomorrow I will say) calm night everyone! We'll discuss everything tomorrow

The picture that I have laid out according to the size of your kitchen to scale. The table too.

Let's wait for more accurate measurements.

[Yasmina]

Yasmina, your pantry is an eyesore to me ...
If you do not fence off this "Sew the Mare's Tail" there, but do something like a wardrobe on the right wall right next to the door, you can even deeper, so that you can go directly into it - even with accordions, even with balalaikas, even with sliding , even with swing doors ...
Everything will fit perfectly there and will be quite accessible at the same time. And the corner is not gnawed out, the geometry of the room does not break. Continue this built-in structure with a refrigerator, then a cabinet with drawers, a sink (just not in the corner! - Terribly inconvenient!), Cabinets with work surfaces, a stove, more workers, ..., along the right and far wall from right to left with a turn.
If you definitely need a sofa, then first it, and then a refrigerator, etc.
And the bar counter can be made closer to the window opposite the table, moreover, a pivoting structure: i.e.so that it is along the working wall, and, if necessary, rotates perpendicularly along the radius according to this principle, only not below the tabletop, but above:

And it's not clear about the sofa. He is somehow on his own. That is, this is not a kitchen corner near the table, but what and why? Maybe then make it to the left of the door just near the table, that is, on one side along the wall there will be a sofa, and on the other 3 there will be chairs. Or there is a sofa on 2 sides with a corner, and chairs on 2 sides. And rationally, and utilitarian, and nothing superfluous is heaped up.
Nowadays, kitchen sofas are of a very civilized look, both soft and comfortable, and with a berth ... And the girls have already written about the additional storage space in it.
And I would unfold the table if it doesn't work out on the aisle. And the TV would be placed above the bar or above the refrigerator, if it is closer to the window. That is, in any case, opposite the table, not above the table.

Yasmina, it seems to me that the sink should be moved to the right, otherwise it is not on the left or on the right, but somehow it is not clear where or already put it normally in the corner, that is, there should be a sink above the curbstone. Maybe it makes sense to make a roll-out table from under the countertop instead of a bar counter? pictures with examples were in the subject. I have such a roll-out table in my kitchen, it's just a super convenient thing. My husband constantly drinks coffee with him and in general a pancake occupies my territory on it. I constantly use it as an additional cooking zone, it is especially important when 2 people in the kitchen are doing something at the same time. In stylish kitchens (see website) there is a kitchen with such a table (green and brown). Pay attention to the height of the roll-out boxes - I measured the height of the multicooker (2 different), and so on to all equipment if you want to hide it in the boxes (it should pass in height). My bread maker does not fit in such a box and I am special. I ordered a separate cabinet that is not deep and in it, in the upper part of the cabinet, the shelves that I have already set at the height I need (cotton fit), and in the lower part of the cabinet there are drawers and the lowest drawer above others so that the cartoon fits which is large. And I also ordered for myself the type of an additional portable table (the letter P is just lower and stretched from left to right), which is slightly larger than the stove (I have a 60 stove) and I put it over the stove, and put multicooker on top of it and they stand for themselves under the hood they cook it so as not to put it on the stove and not scrub it with different equipment. I put a pancake maker on it and anything you want can be used as one additional surface. When I need to cook something on the stove, I just lift it up and put it on the edge against the wall, that is, instead of an apron, it turns out.

Olga, while I was writing you showed him (the table) a wonderful thing.

It turns out the kitchen on the wall will be 2.7 m and 2 m in total.

That is, the width of the left tabletop (60? Cm) and the width of the "tongue" (at least 50) should fit into the short end? 200cm - 60 - 50 = 90. So? In this case, the sink can be moved along the tabletop 200 - 50 = 150 cm long to the corner.

If you do something like this:

Then standing bar stools strain me. How many, two? Will they not interfere with anything?

But if according to this sketch


That space on the right somehow ends too suddenly.)) Here I am sitting on perch chair, and on the right .. what? The end of the cabinets? Dead zone? Passage to another room?

Here I am sitting on a perch chair, and on the right .. what? The end of the cabinets? Dead zone? Passage to another room?

She has a pantry there. With an accordion. And then a sofa.

Why am I hooked on the "right" ...
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I have a kitchen with the same angle, a staircase to the cellar looks out on the right. That is, there are no ends, but it is comfortable to sit. So can you not do it? And add some other cabinet there, even with open shelves (although I dislike them, it will be more elegant to finish the cabinets by combining open and closed places). Then the language of the bar counter will go out of the general structure of the countertop, and not break off in the void. The idea is controversial, not everyone will like it, but can you consider it?))

Well, it's not clear to me how the space should be organized there. It would be more logical to put the bar in not over the usual countertop, but after it has ended. But then a lot of useful space is lost at the bottom and top. ((

She has a pantry there. With an accordion. And then a sofa.

AND? Walking there, ships, clinging to stools?))

[Bijou]

Bijou, Lena,
To be honest, I don't really like bar counters at all. They remind me of birdhouses in some way: you sit like a bird on a perch and don't relax, otherwise you will wind up inadvertently or brush something off by accident.
I am already at that age when people have the right to comfort, leisurely activity and bliss. That is, in this case, I would be ghaaa much more comfortable at a large table (even in the morning loneliness) on a comfortable chair or sofa than on this awkward (IMHO) crossbar.
For what? To someone once with a show-off declare that I have a bar counter in my kitchen? My comfort is already more important to me than how my apartments are estimated by others.

[additional work surface]

To be honest, I don't really like bar counters at all.

Duc and I don't like them!)) As you can see, I have it even lower than the main table top and was organized exclusively as additional work surface, because they are not enough. And on the right, a place was left for a level for our wide refrigerator.

But people quickly figured out how comfortable it was to sit in this corner and ... The refrigerator was pushed into the closet.

In this language, my daughters or my son and I sometimes chop into four hands on both sides, I cool the bread there, store fruits and nuts, use it as an intermediate base for transferring to the pantry or refrigerator ... In short, the functions are purely utilitarian, where the surface is raised high would cause a lot of inconvenience.)

[Ludmila]

louisa, or you can have a photo of your closet and what do you mean by pull-out baskets. Great advance for your answer !!!

Ludmila, here is a photo of the cabinet, though in one the boiler is hidden, and in the other here are such baskets with closers, if necessary, I'll take a picture in the evening

I haven't learned to insert several photos at once ((

[Yasmina]

Yasmina, are you right-handed or left-handed? just in the first case, I would move the stove a little to the right so that there is a larger working surface on the left. If this is not possible due to the gas pipe, then think of a refrigerator elsewhere. I am left-handed and your location is convenient for me - I stand between the stove and the sink and there is a place for cooking, with my right hand and with my left I interfere on the stove. Accordingly, the opposite is more convenient for a right-handed person.
Second, I have the table as your assembled one. For my beloved I put a bamboo napkin like this

Fits a cup, plate, etc. Convenient and neat.
The bar counter will bother you, it seems to me, especially since it seems to be in the corner. and this angle is not large.

Oh, girls, I read you, right now I'll sit down at the computer and write to everyone, I'll tell you everything, explain what and how) I'll just finish the cream and go straight to you)

yes, the wiring is basically all on the side where the kitchen is supposed to be.

I heard this phrase the whole month of July ... my sister was doing repairs in her kitchen - they attached a balcony - to increase the space in the kitchen, but in the end there was no place either in the kitchen or on the balcony .. why? yes, because she left the WHOLE kitchen the same as it was .. because of this phrase ...

yes, the wiring is basically all on the side where the kitchen is supposed to be.

And now she whines that she does not like the kitchen, because she is the same as she has remained ...
You know, this is my personal opinion that furniture makers sometimes do not want to mess with communications / pipes - in order to "bypass" / beat them ... and they sometimes do not care if it is convenient for you or not ... although in fact the transfer of that gas, that water by 1 meter to the left / to the right does not in any way affect the performance of the same stove or drainage of water, but transferring more than a meter may already become critical, but in practice it is a whole meter that can make your workspace more convenient for you, and furniture makers should not make their work easier ... - I repeat, this is my opinion ...

[Anyuta]

Anyuta, I completely agree.And if you eliminate the appendix, creating a huge storage area, a dining table will rise along the resulting wall.
In the corner, where the refrigerator is now you can place a column with a built-in, there are now ovens with a microwave function (save space on your desktop).
Put on a dishwasher, especially since you bake to order and wash the dishes above the roof every day. It consumes less than 1 kW of electricity per hour, you will save on water. For example, parents together in a month pour out 9 cubes of cold water and 4-5 hot. We, the three of us (with pm), cold 6, hot 5, while the husband splashes in the soul every day for at least 40 minutes in the morning and half an hour in the evening, well, we also.
All problems with the supply of communications are completely solvable. If the stove is eletro, then it doesn't really care where to stand. To lengthen the sewer pipe is a matter of five minutes, only the angle for the drain is correct. As a last resort, there are special pumps.

girls, I came to you with my math) right now I measured everything with a tape measure - the walls along the one where the main kitchen is 4.7 and along the wall where the pantry and the supposed sofa are 5 m.In short, the hall-to standard is 60 cm, but the indent from the wall to the outlet about 10 cm, then a table (60cm), a stove of 60 cm, a table + sink (150 cm), by the way I still have it in the corner, the distance from the table to the kitchen is 1.6 m from the table to the bar counter will be about 1 m , but the table itself will not reach 30 cm in length. The wall where the BS will be 1.65 cm, but you can go 20 cm if necessary. And now about the "restructuring" of the annex that year, so that the kitchen is completely new in all respects, it was originally built for a corner kitchen, well, I like them for some reason more))) my friend has a corner one, and a sink right in the middle in the corner - no I don't feel any inconvenience, it is not uncommon for you to stand behind it and even wash the dishes), by the way, in terms of parameters, the kitchen is almost the same as mine, only the kitchen is several times smaller .. and naturally without BS. In my understanding, the BS should be slightly higher than the table top (common working surface), it is conceived for two bar stools .. Why do you think that they will interfere in the closet? I run no more than one or two times a day to adjust the pace. heating, and if there is space under the BS, then the chairs can be pushed a little under it.
No, I don’t want to rebuild the kitchen, and it will all be unprofitable, we’re tired of the repairs, let's come up with something with the already drawn picture) So, in principle, the hol-k can be moved to another corner, but then my additional section "burns out" And the wiring has already been cleverly thought out in that part, all the outputs, cables, under the equipment and hoods are already sticking out there .. And under the TV there is an exit in the part where it is drawn. And I still want a sofa! small soft leather)) If you think carefully about the "stuffing" of the kitchen, it seems to me there should be enough space for dishes, for large, for little things and for technology .. I understand that you all want to help, and thank you very much for your responsiveness, but some of your ideas just cut my "dream" of a corner kuna and a bar counter to the root. At the expense of the unfinished corner where the BS - I agree, it must be completed ergonomically, I assumed open shelves, although I don't like them myself, but if they are replaced with closed ones glazed shelves ?? although I don’t know if this happens .. yeah .. I would never have believed two years ago that even in such a large kitchen I would have little room

now we need to think over the idea with a "corner" where the hall stands .. The idea with a high cabinet and a built-in oven and dishwasher attracted me

In any case, it is better to have a refrigerator outside the door than a lonely bedside table. But instead of it, you will have a whole column, for example, with a built-in oven, drawers and shelves.

I run to the closet no more than one or two times a day to adjust the pace. heating

Is it possible to keep a boiler in the closet? I also wanted to hide my gas boiler in the closet, but the craftsmen told me that the room where the boiler is located must have a window in case of an explosion. And I did not risk it, so that later they would not be forced to redo it.Now in your thoughts - leave it in the middle of the kitchen, hiding it in a wall cabinet, or move it to the corner by the window, or vice versa?

[Yasmina,]

distance from table to kitchen 1.6 m

Yasmina, and where is the window? Maybe place the bar on the opposite side, opposite the columns with the appliances, thereby zoning the kitchen from the living room, where the large table is located? A couple of bar stools can be placed on the side of the kitchen.

[Manka]

Manka, window on the left. I'm afraid that it won't work out, move the BS, there will be quite a bit left to the table, it will be cramped ... but on the other hand it will be freer ..

[Anna]

Anna, but in fact there is a boiler in the room with a window) only slightly fenced off ... I don’t know, the gasmen installed us - they didn’t say anything ..

[Yasmina]

And the wiring has already been cleverly thought out in that part, all the outputs, cables, under the equipment and hoods are already sticking out there .. And under the TV there is an exit in the part where it is drawn.

Yasmina, if it were "wisely", now you would not have any questions. And since there are questions, and there are a lot, it means that they have not thought much of it.
It turns out that you ask only so that we confirm the correctness of your decisions, and any suggestions and reflections that do not fit into your picture are swept aside by you, because you already have everything "wisely".
If this is the case, then let us tell you that everything is ingeniously thought out with you, and everyone will be free.

[Yasmina]

Yasmina, and there you don't need much space. Only chairs should be placed between the table and the BS so that it is comfortable to sit on them.
Now I remembered that my friends have a bar counter located next to the table.

[Yasmina]

Yasmina, here I quickly threw it according to your size in the ikeevsky planner. Free passage between the table and the counter does not work out. Considering that in the picture the width of the table is 90 cm (in Ikea it was not found wider), and you have 150 cm, if you gave the correct size yesterday.

[Yasmina]

Yasminahow much width do you want the bar counter? Based on your dimensions on a small wall (165 cm), after washing on the table and counter, you have only 75 cm left.
And why don't you lay the PMM? Even if you don't pull it right away, then in a year or two you may want to be very, very straight. Therefore, I would put a table 45 cm from the sink to the right, into which a PMM can be built in the future. From here it goes to the bar counter 35 cm. Is this normal for you?

[Ksenia]

Ksenia, thank you for taking your time on my project, well, if you consider that the chairs are pulled out, then - yes, there is absolutely no room left. But after all, they will not always be put forward, it will mainly be under the table, most of them .. Well, in exceptional cases, when they will all sit on them at once) well, bar stools on one leg will take up less space in real life, and the space will already more will turn out .. I myself tried to do something there, but I didn't quite succeed ((so I threw it and drew by hand , I forgot to draw bar stools ..

[Ksenia]

Ksenia, you can step back 20 cm boldly to the right, this is 165 + 20 cm. I will discuss the issue with the PMM with the masters, let them make boxes (table) with the ability to connect it there in the future, isn't it possible? It's just that I somehow never thought about hmm, I always loved to wash the dishes myself) Ksenia, I saw a photo of your kitchen - I liked it, and I want the chairs just like yours, I have looked at them for a long time .. I just did not really understand, you have are they soft? because I saw plastic of this design, but also orange ..

Girls, thank you all for the advice! you see, I myself would not have guessed about the shift of the withers to another corner ...) and even more so about pmm))

[Yasmina]

Yasmina, in a table of 45 cm (and even 60) PMM is built in without problems. My friend did this with my prompts, after 2 years she only managed to buy a dishwasher. The only thing, so that later she would not be too sorry for the money spent, she ordered this table immediately with a common door, that is, there were just 2 shelves inside, and not some expensive systems.
And about my chairs - they are soft, eco-leather.

maybe, in my drawing, everything is not entirely accurate, I drew without taking into account m and cm ..But so you look at the kitchen in real life and it seems that everything should fit in, and the BS should not interfere .. It's just not too long .. But, I think, when the measurements come, it will all be possible to discuss in detail with the masters. If the usual BS does not fit, it can be on wheels, if you really want it)) Now one more thing haunts - if I move the hall to another corner, then it turns out additional. section of the table from there will have to be excluded, and this is a minus total. the area of ​​the working surface ... after all, in place of the wardrobe there will be a cabinet with built-in appliances, without a table ..

[firuza83]

firuza83, and how many people does your family consist of?
and how many people will sit at the table every day?

[Sens]

Sens, there are four of us so far))

[Sens]

Sens, there are four of us so far))

it is right!))

can I participate in your planning?

if you don't mind, then you need a floor plan with dimensions in centimeters
and outlets of electrical and plumbing on the plan

can I participate in your planning?

of course! for this I came to this topic)

Her, I would still try to drag the BS to the window. Even with its width of 45-50 cm, the distance to the kitchen is 1 meter. In my tiny kitchenette, from the table to the working area is 1.05 m. I fit without problems, plus extra. there will be a surface at hand, something to put or put

[Sonadora]

Sonadora, so abruptly right away and you won't redirect my "old" sketches to a new channel) but I'll try!) I'll figure it out, I can also like the option ..)

of course! for this I came to this topic)

then let's

need a floor plan with dimensions in centimeters
and outlets of electrical and plumbing on the plan

[firuza83]

firuza83, I have a bar counter and, in general, the organization of the kitchen is like this
it is very convenient for us

[firuza83]

firuza83, and your requirements are also needed: a list of the desired equipment and furniture

if you don't mind, then you need a floor plan with dimensions in centimeters
and outlets of electrical and plumbing on the plan

I apologize, I was distracted - my husband came home from work ... I drew the layout by hand, in centimeters - the main wall is 340 cm to the corner, the right wall where the BS is 170 cm (you can add 20 cm) kitchen 5 m long top right square - pantry) the lower square is supposed to finish. section of the kitchen.

[Sens]

Sens, I'm not so demanding on technology) I still have a stove (not built-in) I don’t want to change it, it’s painfully good)) and small appliances .. But the girls almost convinced me at the PMM and the built-in oven) And about the sewer - it is in the corner where the sink is painted (I still have it there). At the expense of furniture - just a sofa) and a couple of bar stools) the main electrician on the main part of the kitchen, two sockets on each part of the wall in the corners.