Furniture for kitchen

[V-tina]

V-tina, an interesting option, I like it! U-shaped kitchen .. Is the sink in the corner too? But the bar table is not designed, I think so) to sit behind it (the high part), because there is no space under it, and there are cabinets .. But I want it, I want it to be free under the table)

by cm so - the main wall is 340 cm to the corner, the right wall where the BS is 170 cm (you can add 20 cm). kitchen 5 m long

these are not all sizes.

length of walls between the window
and between the door.
pantry wall / door

can you on the plan size to specify?

[Vinochek]

Vinochek, I'm right-handed)

you can indicate the dimensions on the plan

I'll try)

[Yasmina]

Yasmina, I have a sink on the long side, under the window, while there is no opportunity to take a picture, maybe tomorrow. And the bar counter overlooks the cabinet wider, and it has a dull side and shelves on the side for bottles-glasses, you can sit comfortably on the other, where the sink is in the picture - sockets are embedded in my eyes and most of the household appliances are hidden from my eyes

[firuza83]

firuza83and where is the front door the dimensions of the wall?

Do you already have a pantry? is the wall already standing?

by technique: 1. gas stove?
2. is the oven built into the countertop or in the column?

where will you buy the kitchen itself?

table size?

[Tina]

Tina, what kind of kitchen, just neither subtract nor add, straight 100% my taste !!

Now in your thoughts - leave it in the middle of the kitchen, hiding it in a wall cabinet, or move it to the corner by the window, or vice versa?

And who will advise me something useful? For the first time, I will deal with a gas boiler, so I don't understand

[Elena]

Elena, this is not mine in a more modern style, although I like this one more, but my husband did not want to categorically .. I had to compromise

Maybe someone will need some ideas

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[Anna]

And who will advise me something useful?

Anna, recently installed a boiler - if it is with a closed combustion chamber, then it does not matter where to put it, if only it is convenient

with a closed combustion chamber, then no matter where to put it

we have Ariston, with a closed combustion chamber, so, probably, the gasmen did not have any questions when installing it, they installed it in the closet without any problems) ... earlier a question was asked how they were allowed to install a boiler in a room without a window ... p. ... we have some and install in basements)

... the question was previously asked how it was allowed to install the boiler in a room without a window ... p. from. we have some and install in basements)

I have it installed in the corridor at all, they only forced the ventilation duct to be made, no more claims from Gorgaz .. but maybe somewhere and not so .. after all, different states

[Anna]

Anna, recently installed a boiler - if it is with a closed combustion chamber, then it does not matter where to put it, if only it is convenient

I can't even imagine all these subtleties. My repairmen told me about the need for a room with a window, I didn't talk to the gasmen - probably in vain. You have to ask. I am stopped from talking to them by the fact that they fight exorbitant doughs for transferring - 30 tyr. They put it specifically in the center of the wall, and then collect the loot for transferring it to the right place. I came across this approach in another apartment, where the batteries were installed in such a place, from where they were all transferred. And the same plumbers did it.

[Anna1957]

I didn’t talk to the gasmen - probably in vain.

Anna1957, I resolved all these issues with the design organization, no questions arose with the gas workers. We arrived, did everything according to the project and drove off, then came from their own office, but I don’t remember who he is by position, well, like a controller, he checked if everything was correct, signed the documents and started the gas. Not a single follow-up check has ever made any remarks.

[Sens]

and where is the front door the dimensions of the wall?

Do you already have a pantry? is the wall already standing?

by technique: 1. gas stove?
2. is the oven built into the countertop or in the column?

where will you buy the kitchen itself?

table size?

Sens, the pantry is already there, all the walls are standing. Gas stove. Sizes like everything is now written ..)
while we looked at the kitchen at two factories (private traders), we also want to see Ikea .. Until we decided exactly where we will take it.

Yasmina, don't you want to turn the table with its narrow side to the sofa, will there be more space between the table and the BS? You can put the refrigerator in the corner next to the sofa, and in its place there is a built-in column. from the window (sill), you can make an additional tabletop.

And you can also buy a table in smaller sizes (2 x1.5 very large) and oval or round would be better if there is such a possibility, of course.

[Svetlana201]

Svetlana201, we just bought a table, especially a large one) because often guests come, they just have nowhere to plant))) it has oval edges, not sharp rectangular) you can see it unfold ...

[Anna1957]

Anna1957, I resolved all these issues with the design organization, no questions arose with the gas workers. We arrived, did everything according to the project and drove off, then came from their own office, but I don’t remember who he is by position, well, like a controller, he checked if everything was correct, signed the documents and started the gas. Not a single follow-up check has ever made any remarks.

I have a project organization - this is me + my masters, whom I trust, since I have already dealt with them (or rather, with one of them). And I will put all the negotiations with the gasmen on their shoulders. They themselves can transfer, but legalize is a problem.

[Anna1957]

Anna1957, design - it means which gas supply project was done, otherwise we would not have started talking in the gas department

[Anna1957]

Anna1957, design - it means which gas supply project was done, otherwise we would not have started talking in the gas department

Oh, I’m so far from all these questions and I don’t know how to talk to them, because I’m not in the subject, what to heat me up - just spit. And I really liked the idea of ​​moving the boiler into the hallway, because it allows me to beat my ideas in the bathroom (by sizes). I couldn’t cram everything I needed there, but took the boiler out into the corridor - and the door to the bathroom immediately shifted, and everything fell into place. Now it remains to settle the issue with the gas workers.

[Anna]

Anna, I contacted Gorgaz myself, they gave me a memo that I must also provide a list of organizations that are authorized to make projects and take measurements in ventilation ducts, then it was easier - a girl from the project came, I showed where and what I wanted, she said where it is possible, but where not, we chose the most convenient solution, she made the project, we made the ventilation ducts ourselves and made measurements from the fire service. took everything to the gas station, and then they themselves. I don't know how difficult it is in St. Petersburg, but here it is rather long and expensive

[Anna]

Anna, I contacted Gorgaz myself, they gave me a memo that I must also provide a list of organizations that are authorized to make projects and take measurements in ventilation ducts, then it was easier - a girl from the project came, I showed where and what I wanted, she said where it is possible, but where not, we chose the most convenient solution, she made the project, we made the ventilation ducts ourselves and made measurements from the fire service. took everything to the gas station, and then they themselves. I don't know how difficult it is in St. Petersburg, but here it is rather long and expensive

How expensive is it? Well, in euros, so that I get my bearings.Or immediately in rubles, if not difficult.

[Anna]

Anna, I conducted gas to an apartment in a private house, it was divided into 2 apartments and there was already gas in the second, it was necessary to bring only along the wall to my apartment and make an input into the kitchen and corridor. My cost will probably not be indicative, it turned out in dollars about 1000 I remembered that it was the final payment, and the first one was $ 500. That is, this is a project + materials + work + all permissive documents. Total - $ 1,500 e. Equipment separately - boiler + gas analyzer + stabilizer is another 1000 green. If we take only the project, then it cost me less than $ 100. e.

[Anna]

Anna, I conducted gas to an apartment in a private house, it was divided into 2 apartments and there was already gas in the second, it was necessary to bring only along the wall to my apartment and make an input into the kitchen and corridor. My cost will probably not be indicative, it turned out in dollars about 1000 I remembered that it was the final payment, and the first one was $ 500. That is, this is a project + materials + work + all permissive documents. Total - $ 1,500 e. Equipment separately - boiler + gas analyzer + stabilizer is another 1000 green. If we take only the project, then it cost me less than $ 100. e.

And I have everything, I just need to move the boiler, and for this they charge 30 sput, at the current exchange rate it is 500 bucks. Well, add a couple of meters of pipe.

I think we will not have much less, and even tightened .. I remembered! my sister at the same time changed the boiler (without transfer) and cut off the gas water heater, more than $ 300 was ripped off her

There is nowhere to go, if they agree to such a transfer, I will agree. I gain a lot in planning from such a transfer.

Anh, you'd better contact the officials, I called the gas service, they gave me a phone number, I left a request - I had a gas pipe with welding and a meter installed. Uncle came, measured everything, made a plan, sketched out several options for transferring, we chose, uncle left. A week later, they called the accounting department, they told us the estimate, it suited us. Then the guys arrived in branded overalls on a special vehicle, pulled the welding wire through the window and did everything in 15 minutes, signed the act and left. For the price it turned out much more humane than in other offices, I monitored.

Duc they gave me phones in Zhilkomservice - this is the office that issues receipts for whom. services, electricity, gas. I hope that these are officials, not a sharashka's office. And what - did you transfer the riser itself? All other pipes can be made flexible.

Then, they are the most. We had a rigid eyeliner to the stove, they slightly moved the riser (the kitchen did not fit) and further flexible, they forced to make a hatch in the false ceiling so that the pipe could be seen.

I didn't plan to touch the riser. They will simply cut it out along the back surface of the cabinets, and on open sections of the wall, you can hide a box like a cable channel in some thread. I have not thought, in short.

Anya, most likely they gave you the phone. sharaga, which pays them for clients.
Try to contact the operator directly. gas organization. That is, for example, we used to go periodically - they checked the plates. So these are the official ones. Try to find them. Perhaps you have some coordinates in your service book or in your gas supply contract.
Or look through the search, or through e-mail. city ​​government.
Look also. For cheating, they may have an inspection, project, purchase and delivery of materials, all kinds of sneezes in the price list. This can be disputed and / or something to take upon yourself, for example, I remember that something is included in the state. services, but something separately as commercial. It so happened that lifting some garbage, such as meters, to the 6th floor cost more than all the work put together.
We not only lifted this garbage ourselves on the elevator with one left, but also bought it ourselves, but it turned out all together 3 times cheaper.
They will, of course, immediately tell you the total cost, but you demand details to see how much. Have right. And you have the right to order not a full complex, but selectively, only what you yourself cannot do.For example, buying some kind of hose can cost you 300 rubles, and they will take all 5 tyr for it + delivery + rise to the floor.

Oh, Ol, thanks for the science. My masters are cunning guys, not like me. You can't cheat them. I would like to know - what exactly should be done EXCLUSIVELY gas workers - mine can do everything themselves, but gas workers do not allow everything. I remember earlier when they changed iron pipes to flexible ones - they were also not allowed to do this on their own. But they did, and then they called the gas workers - like it smells like gas, check it out. And it rolled. But moving the boiler without the highest permission is even a point.

Do you have somewhere in some documents, diagrams, plans fixed the exact position of the boiler?
In the same place, there is a flexible connection from the stationary pipes, it can somehow be made longer in order to simply outweigh the boiler without changing the geometry of the stationary pipe. Or won't it help you out?

Do you have somewhere in some documents, diagrams, plans fixed the exact position of the boiler?
In the same place, there is a flexible connection from the stationary pipes, it can somehow be made longer in order to simply outweigh the boiler without changing the geometry of the stationary pipe. Or won't it help you out?

The apartment has just been bought, I have no idea. And this is not a column, as in old apartments, but a modern boiler (I finally don’t understand them). Now I consulted with a handyman I knew - he said that the main problem was in the ventilation mine (there was no talk of pipes at all). I get the trajectory of the transfer of the pipe in the form of Z (only at right angles), the lower part of the letter goes out of the kitchen into the corridor. According to my description, it seems possible from his point of view. He advised to call several organizations that serve these boilers and compare prices.

Correct too!
Good luck!

[Anna1957]

Anna1957, Anechka, draw where the boiler is now and where you want to move it. Also where there is a ventilation duct and a flue duct (where flue gases are discharged). Let's think about what can and should be done ...
Also, boilers are usually installed for heating water + autonomous heating. Column for water heating only. Modern speakers look like boilers, only smaller in size. If you still have a modern speaker, then there are much fewer problems when transferring... Yes, by the way, flexible hoses for connecting gas are allowed no more than 2 m.Also, maybe it will come in handy - you are allowed to install columns and wall-mounted boilers in wall-mounted cabinets, but subject to 10 cm from the inside of the cabinet wall to the wall of the boiler or column. Holes for air access are cut in the top and bottom of the cabinet.

By the way, information for everyone ...
The old Soviet standard GOS "Gas Supply" of the 80s edition did not allow the installation of gas-using equipment in closed rooms without air exchange (such as storerooms, bathrooms, etc.) and in living quarters. In the Russian Federation and Ukraine, this requirement of the standard has not been canceled, therefore, it is not allowed now ...
Advice on how to make a room out of a pantry where it will be possible to install gas equipment - a stationary door will be replaced by a sliding curtain.
Another point - if during the transfer it will be necessary to make a welded seam on a gas pipe in the corridor, bathroom or pantry, then such a transfer is not allowed.

Anh, after all, Olya is right - it's better to do it through gorgaz ...

In the Russian Federation and Ukraine, this requirement of the standard has not been canceled.

we can't do it either

[Tina]

Tina,

[Anna1957]

Anna1957, Anechka, draw where the boiler is now and where you want to move it. Also where there is a ventilation duct and a smoke duct (where flue gases are discharged). Let's think about what can and should be done ...
Also, boilers are usually installed for heating water + autonomous heating. Column for water heating only. Modern speakers look like boilers, only smaller in size. If you still have a modern speaker, then there are much fewer problems when transferring... By the way, flexible hoses for connecting gas are allowed no more than 2 m.Also, maybe it will come in handy for you - it is allowed to install columns and wall-mounted boilers in wall-mounted cabinets, but subject to 10 cm from the wall of the cabinet inside to the wall of the boiler or column. Holes for air access are cut in the top and bottom of the cabinet.

Ha, I can't draw. I'd rather describe it in words. Today I'm going to clarify the name and dimensions. I have a modern gas boiler, not a water heater, nothing is set on fire with a match, like in old water heaters. There are 2 handles: water and heating (which I will have in the floor). Everything is in order with air exchange - there will be no wall at all between the corridor and the entrance to the kitchen, even if there is no boiler. If the flexible hoses cannot be longer than 2m, then I fly over, there is clearly more in total, today I will measure.

Yes, An, alas, more than 2m is impossible ... Although if you find a one-piece 3m hose (without connections), then I technically do not see the reason why it is impossible. All the same, you need to go to the gas station ... What if they allow a solid 3m ???
And the locker I described will not help you out?

Measure, we will think ...

Yes, An, alas, more than 2m is impossible ... Although if you find a one-piece 3m hose (without connections), then I technically do not see the reason why it is impossible. All the same, you need to go to the gas station ... What if they allow a solid 3m ???
And the locker I described will not help you out?

Measure, we will think ...

Cabinet - You will have to sacrifice a kitchen cabinet. If they are not allowed, only this option will remain. Also, the lower one will take away - there will be pipes from it to the fig below. And L-shaped adapters are not used for lengthening?

[Anh]

Anh, but there will be less problems and will be cheaper! When I was engaged in this business, I often advised customers this option ...

fewer problems and will be cheaper!

That's right.

A very nice option. The eye is resting.

And after all, it seems to be nothing special. )) And it's nice to look.

A very nice option. The eye is resting.

So I liked him too, how to stretch the kitchen so for meters .......