Furniture for kitchen

With a rugged husband, everything is much easier.
If you need to sell an apartment, the missing wall is rebuilt from foam blocks, plastered and pasted over with wallpaper. No BTI will pick on. Merry Christmas everyone

A room with a gas stove should be separated not just by a wall with an arch, but there must be a door.

But what about many apartments - studios are being built then?

But what about many apartments - studios are being built then?

Maybe studios with electric stoves?

We only install electric stoves in apartments above the 10th floor. All others are gas

We have, in my opinion, all new houses with only electric stoves, for 10 years already.

Elena Tim, Lenus, you most likely have an old house, everything is more complicated there, in many old houses all walls are load-bearing and redevelopment is possible only with the approval of the project. And it's better to first project, then repair, otherwise many do the opposite

Yeah, Stalin's house. But we did so, as you described in the first paragraph, that is, first we called an expert from the architectural department (or how is it correct there?) To find out what opportunities we have for repairs. Previously, I sketched out a redevelopment plan. An uncle arrived with a bunch of documents and rolls from the archive with plans for the construction of our house, right down to those documents that indicated what materials what walls and beams were made of. Half a day poking around, climbed into the basement, checked the condition of the walls and so on, and so on ... I made a verdict - you can demolish FSE! We, as it turned out, have only two load-bearing walls, going exactly in the middle of the apartment, and beams lie like ribs on them. These walls remained, and the rest was demolished, but new, brick ones were built in their place, and only two of the demolished walls never returned to their place, since a large three-ruble note was made from a five-room apartment. Thus, having received permission first in architecture, we received, in turn, permission from the district council, up to air conditioning. And only then the designers were called in and the work began. After the renovation, of course, a new BTI plan and new ownership certificates with new square numbers. Look!
Actually, to which I wrote so much ... You can, of course, secretly make a redevelopment, but we did not take a sin on our souls. It's not about law-abidingness, but about the fact that there are six more floors above us - 12 apartments! How could we risk the lives of so many people? You never know what!
It is better not to do such things without special knowledge. And then we have one clever guy here, so that he shit, if he's still alive, forgive me, Lord, he decided to move the gas to himself somewhere ... Leakage ... The explosion was on the fifth floor, only the first one remained intact! Only a few people were saved! Muscovites remember the explosion on Godovikova 6, this house is in front of my window. Can you imagine what we all went through here? I was lying in hysterics when I saw a crater instead of a third of the house!
I was carried to the wrong steppe ... sorry! I just wanted to force someone forever. Well, what do you want?
My gumboil pouted, so I lie there and nud ...

Yeah, Stalin's house. But we did so, as you described in the first paragraph, i.e. first called an expert

Lenus, what good fellows you are! and lucky you with the walls
More often I come across what people do first, then think ... And they start thinking, either when problems begin, or when the apartment is being sold. In our house, as in many in the 90s, the smart guys cut out the ventilation box, now the ventilation seems to be working, but extraneous odors ...
They told a story, also in the 90s, they ordered an apartment redevelopment project to a friend, and the customer wanted to make a pool and bought 2 apartments one under the other. They made a calculation for him and said that he needed to buy a third, where the structures under the pool would be located Uncle rumbled, and apartments above and below were bought, and remained without a pool

My gumboil pouted, so I lie there and nud ...

Get well

Nothing like this. My grandmother signed an apartment for me, so when the owner was re-registered, the BTI plan was mandatory. And they did it twice: with the old owner and with the new one, that is, with me and with my grandmother.

Well, I sincerely sympathize with Victoria, because then there will be SO MANY problems with bti and just a bribe will not do. Moreover, the BTI plan may be requested in those structures where you do not even expect it!

Did you register the inheritance? BTI is required there. Notaries inquire. When buying and selling an apartment that has already been registered, it is not required. Therefore, no one will know about the redevelopment. However, there are a number of situations when you need to order a BTI. In particular, the mentioned mortgage and inheritance. But there is also an option to get out - ordering BTI without leaving. If the inventory was less than 10 years ago, it is absolutely real.

in the 90s, the smart guys cut out the ventilation box, now the ventilation seems to work, but foreign smells ...

Same stuff. Our neighbor on the third floor broke the wall between the bathroom and the tubzik in order to enlarge the bathroom, and in this wall there was a ventilation pipe. The two lower floors were left without ventilation, including us. But we knew in advance that the ventilation was not working, so during the repair we had to drill a hole right in the kitchen wall to the street and install forced ventilation. A neighbor from the second floor even sued with this ... damn it, a good man, it's even a pity to call him somehow ... In short, the court, of course, decided to return the ventilation back! Well, the neighbor cheated and built an arch type there, and put two pipes on the sides. But this is a completely different design and, of course, did not help, the ventilation system is broken and only the return of the wall of the same design inside can fix everything. But this is again a trial and so on. etc. etc...
I'll go to the entrance and write: "SASHKA - KAZEL" At least some kind of revenge!

Get well

Thank you, dear!

Helen get well soon !!!

Thank you, Natus!

With a rugged husband, everything is much easier.
If you need to sell an apartment, the missing wall is rebuilt from foam blocks, plastered and pasted over with wallpaper. No BTI will pick on. Merry Christmas everyone

When we moved to this apartment, the former tenants demolished the wall in the corridor by making a direct entrance, before privatization we closed it with drywall and pasted wallpaper, hung a hanger, BTI did not have any problems or questions, so the option is working!

Lena, when we combined our two apartments, we did everything exactly like you. The architect was summoned and he immediately said what could be done and what could not. Just about a gas kitchen without a door, he said definitely no. Then we got a tolmut in our hands with all the permits, with the old and new apartment plans. And at the last stage, after the repair, it was necessary to obtain a conclusion from the DEZ, from the firemen, somewhere else (I don't remember anymore). And in DEZ they refused to draw up an apartment acceptance certificate, because during the renovation process I did not call their specialists so that they would check if the pipes, wiring, etc. were installed correctly. In general, they drank my blood ... My husband, seeing mine nervous state, he said, spit, let's leave everything as it is, we are not going to sell it, etc. It was so offensive, we have already done so much and everything is practically according to the mind (not counting the walls in the kitchen), but here .. In short, banknotes do their job. How happy I was when I received the coveted piece of paper from the regional chamber. It was all 14 years ago.

Len, get well.Holidays in the yard, and you decided to get sick.

Did you register the inheritance?

no - not inheritance. I have a contract for the transfer of the apartment into ownership with the condition of life support. There are "encumbrances" in the brilliant green. That is, I can't do anything with the apartment. And at any moment, the grandmother can just as well give the apartment to someone else. Sons or other granddaughters.

In the topic of renovation, I posted a photo of this apartment. So there I had a built-in wardrobe (an old Khrushchev apartment) and so that later there would be no problems, I myself went and took the plan of my apartment (for some reason, when I did the previous plan of the BTI, I did not leave it for myself). Both my dad and my husband insisted very strongly that I willfully put the wall on the place of this cabinet and said that the cabinet of the type has rotted from time to time. I didn't get smart and left everything as it is, because registration / re-registration is very stressful for me in terms of endless trips. Having paid only 560 RE for the BTI plan without leaving, I calmly made a new cabinet with the subject in the dimensions that are indicated in the BTI plan - but now I sleep well ...

[* Anyuta *]

* Anyuta *,

The contract of lifelong maintenance with dependents is still notarized. Here is the answer to the question why you need a BTI.
In the certificate of state registration you have an encumbrance - a pledge in favor of the recipient of the dependency / rent. But you are the owner. And at any moment the grandmother cannot give it to anyone. She is no longer the owner and has no right to dispose of the apartment. It can only initiate the termination of the contract for life support (by mutual agreement, otherwise - the court).

Girls, do not forget that redevelopment and redevelopment are different.

Any change in the configuration of the premises is a redevelopment. You did not remove the cardboard wall, but erected it - redevelopment, slightly moved the doorway, laid the window, etc. - redevelopment, moved engineering communications (there is no question of gas, do not touch it !!!) - reorganization. And all this requires permissions.

But any redevelopment and any reorganization - only with the permission of the administration of the Moscow region. You in your own house decided to make the terrace heated or, on the contrary, cold: the battery was moved - this is a reorganization. And unauthorized. We here had ideas for redevelopment with touching the walls - we invited my sister's husband (he is an architect). He examined the house, our project (which came from the previous owner) and suggested what was what. True, ours is not super-grandiose, but expert advice is needed. I'm not going to get permission, but I don't advise anyone to do this kind of thing at random. And even more so in an apartment building, where the loads are appropriate for the structure and collective engineering communications. If you do not have such a responsible relative, then it is better to do work with the touching of walls / communications officially, because people put their signatures and permissions and are then responsible for this. You yourself understand that the lack of responsibility is very relaxing. And when they verbally told you something there, then you cannot prove that they were there at all. And this does not relieve you of responsibility.

In no time will I call to demolish the walls in the premises of an apartment building, without having the permits of specialists))). But sometimes, in order to break the wooden pantry in the apartment (and there is one in almost every Khrushchev), you have to bypass so many authorities that it is easier to pretend, "it was like this" (c))) And this is 100% redevelopment, because it changes living space configuration and area. Has dealt repeatedly.

But sometimes, in order to break down a wooden pantry in an apartment (and there is one in almost every Khrushchev), you have to bypass so many authorities,

Well, about such a pantry (I call it a wardrobe) I described above. I felt sorry for my time and money to increase the official area of ​​the room by 1.2 * 0.6 = 0.72 sq. m and then put the closet there again .... Despite the fact that there was the possibility of a "direct exit" to the head of the BTI (I personally know this woman). my question, first of all, was the expediency of such manipulations. But I removed the door from the kitchen - simply because there the door from the bathroom and the kitchen door interfered with each other so that when one is open, you cannot open and close the other ... Well, okay ... if anything - at the place of the opening you can always "stick in" the door!

Our neighbor removed the door leading from the kitchen during the renovation. She didn't demolish the walls, she just removed the box along with the door. She was fined for illegal redevelopment.
Not only did she immediately regret the removed door, all the smells went into the apartment, then she dumped a lot of money in the form of a fine.

She didn't demolish the walls, she just removed the box along with the door.

We had an opening there exactly 60 cm in size. There was actually no box there. I did not break through the arch at the top. That is, there was a purely doorway on which you can put a shutter door at any time.

This was the old door:


I show the opening from both sides. That is, one photo clearly shows how the door from the bathroom is open. But above the doorway), she did not purposefully remove anything (precisely because the door could be installed).

Yes, yes, the neighbor's is exactly the same.

Tom, do you know who reported to the neighbor? Someone found out this and laid it down?
By the way, she could declare that the repair was not yet finished, that in this place an accordion door was supposed, which she was just looking for to install.
And the hood must fight odors.

.

Tom, do you know who reported to the neighbor? Someone found out this and laid it down?

She was going to sell the apartment and did not assume that the removed door was a violation. When they came from BTI -oppa!
Or rather, she was not even going to sell the apartment at all, but life made its own ziz-zag.

By the way, she could declare that the repair was not yet finished, that in this place an accordion door was supposed, which she was just looking for to install.

Ol, precisely because of this, as I wrote above, I did not begin to remove the crossbar, although the master advised us to do this and my men insisted - like, to increase the space, it is better to remove it. Nafig these troubles are not needed. BUT - the BTI has nothing to do with it - the door cannot be removed for fire safety, and it is the firemen who are responsible for this - and they only take part in the "house acceptance". Simply because not a single document in the work of the BTI regulates this. If there is such a document - show it - they won't show it - and this is already a court case. Or, more simply, extortion. This also includes the question of installing the front door - I think that no one needs to explain why the front door MUST open inside the apartment - and the doors in new apartments are also put in this way only because of the firemen.
Although in January we will be renting out the house, so there the developer immediately put metal doors that open "towards themselves."

[no one needs to explain]

think that no one needs to explain why the front door MUST open inside the apartment

I need! I'm the most "gifted" here ...
Our project immediately indicated the door "outward" and not a single fireman clung to it.
And what, sobsno, joke, An? Why does the "inside" door have to open?

[should]

And what, sobsno, joke, An? Why does the "inside" door have to open?

Well then I'll be smart ... I'll remember why I got my first higher education ...

This is for fire safety ... All entrance doors should to open exactly inward. This is due, firstly, to the fact that such a door is easier to break down in case of fire - well, here, I think, there is no need to explain in which direction it is easier to "break down" the door ... And secondly, in an emergency or in any emergency situations, the door opening outward, that is, onto the staircase, can create some obstacle for people evacuating along the stairs and become an obstacle to opening the door to neighbors - this is especially true for Khrushchev (i.e.as a rule, where there are 4 apartments on the site) and for houses with a small staircase and for those staircases where 3 apartments can be located next to each other at once - in short, so that your open door does not interfere with the neighbors' doors opening ... something like this!

[not regulated]

no one needs to explain why the front door MUST open inside the apartment

But this is not true. The front door can be set as you like, the main thing is that it does not interfere with neighbors in case of evacuation.
We find SNiP 21-01-97 "Fire safety of buildings and structures" and read: the direction of opening doors for multi-apartment and single-family residential buildings not regulated... This means that it is POSSIBLE to change the direction of door opening, but only if it does not interfere with the free evacuation of people (PPB 01-03).
Redevelopment changing the direction of door opening does not count... Redevelopment can only be a transfer or device of a new doorway. This norm is described in the Resolution of the Gosstroy of the Russian Federation No. 170 "On the approval of the rules and norms for the technical operation of the housing stock" dated September 27, 2003.
My neighbors' door just blocks our door. During the renovation, we asked them to put the door opening in the opposite direction, but they did not listen. I have not yet made any attempts to reason with them (and there it is possible to punish, and the neighbors are already different). But I can write a complaint at any time. But that's not what I wanted to say.
I've read you, virgins, and I don't really know what to think. In my opinion, it is better, before all the alterations in an apartment or house, to read all (or as many as possible) of the documents regulating all these alterations. The same SNiPs, at least for a start.
And about the BTI. We had an inspector when the apartment was not like there were no doors. There was a rough finish. The same bathroom didn't even have a sewer pipe. We also did not install the door to the kitchen during the renovation. So now, when selling, so that the original plan coincides with the apartment at the time of sale - to strip the wallpaper, etc. This is insanity. Each word of the inspector must be supported by paper. Therefore, do not be afraid. Ask competent people, alter, legalize and everything will be fine.

[should]

I need! I'm the most "gifted" here ...

I don't know about such a rule either. And I even know about the "opposite" - the door should open towards the escape routes, that is, out. In our HOA, it was the firefighters who forced to redo a bunch of doors, otherwise a fine. We decided that it would be easier and cheaper to change the doors once than to pay fines every year.

Now I can't find the link, but at one time I tried to study this topic on the internet and found such an explanation. The habit of putting a door opening INSIDE comes from ancient times and is associated with our snowy winters. If the door is noticed, it will be difficult to "dig out" - the door will not open because of a snowdrift. Times have changed, living conditions have changed, and the habit persisted for a long time.

Well then I'll be smart ... I'll remember why I got my first higher education ...

This is for fire safety ... All entrance doors should open exactly inward

Anyuta, aren't you confusing anything? Twice in my life I moved into new apartments, and in both cases the entrance doors installed by the builders were opened OUT. True, while visiting, I met another option. It seems that the rule is not so "ironclad".

Anyuta, don't you confuse anything?

Gal - wrote above - there should be several news ...
And again I wrote above that in January they will rent a house where the doors open outward - but they do not interfere with each other there - the site is large.
And in the small-sized cars that are now popular with us, in new apartments (in particular, the VMU company), the doors are put inside - but there it would be just a friend of a friend then would open. I had one such case - the neighbor himself is the Ministry of Emergency Situations-nickname. When everyone reinstalled the doors (and these are 3 apartments next to each other), they immediately discussed who was putting the door in which direction ...

The "door to the inside" rule worked in the Khrushchevs with the hope of being saved from outside. Unfortunately, such a door cannot be broken down to the outside if it is suddenly jammed. Now in all new buildings in Moscow and Moscow region (I do not know about other regions), the doors are put outside according to the project. And the freedom of escape routes is regulated by hanging the door on the right or left - this is in agreement with the firemen.

Well, now I understand everything about the evacuation as well. Of course, if your door gets in the way of your neighbors, then it is no good. I would have been unrepentant for a long time. It is now clear why there were no questions for us about this, just my door is finally the only one on my side, because there should have been two in the place of my vater. Above floors it is - three and two doors and, accordingly, two doors. And here I am myself a king - wherever I want, wherever I want, wherever I want, I’m loosing my door. If you want - assure open, but if you want - down!

[An]

An, you wrote it in another post while I was typing. And right away you wrote categorically - SHOULD. Therefore, I brought SNiP. To stop all disputes at once. Ie let's boom read each other carefully, ok? Friendship? With you, no, okay, with me gum.

And the freedom of escape routes is regulated by hanging the door on the right or left - this is in agreement with the firemen.

We now have the same ... since now it is not typical projects of the 60-70s that allow us to do this, but individual projects of each house being built by each construction company - again, the moment of approval is the proximity of the location of the entrance doors - from here everyone is dancing ...

Now in all new buildings in Moscow and Moscow region (I do not know about other regions), the doors are put outside according to the project. And the freedom of escape routes is regulated by hanging the door on the right or left - this is in agreement with the firemen.

It's the same in our region. All doors are outward according to the project. And only only left-sided or right-sided - as needed. But at the same time, no one forbids putting the door with opening inward. This is not considered a paperwork violation.

Ie let's boom read each other carefully, ok?

Well, before your publication of the post, in any case, it is shown that a new message has been written - where I, in particular, indicated the Khrushchevs as an example ...

To stop all disputes at once. Ie let's boom read each other carefully, ok?

KANESHNA ... just more carefully ... so as not to mislead people with the correct installation of the door ...

The door must open towards the escape routes,

This is also spelled correctly. Just look. When evacuating from the entrance to the street, the entrance doors must open outward, and when running out (evacuating) from an office space, for example, a long corridor stuffed with doors, the doors must open inward - otherwise they will interfere with moving people ...

Girls, I recently spoke with a builder. He deals with everything from the development of the project to the arrangement of furniture in the apartment. Regarding the doors, he says that there are no legislative restrictions, but it is reasonable to design and install doors, and not only entrance doors, but any, in terms of quick evacuation. That is, all doors in all rooms must open outward if, when opened, they do not interfere with evacuation from other rooms. He even recommends moving the doorway if the security issue cannot be solved in another way. And whose neighbors have set their door so that God forbid, it will interfere with the free exit from your apartment, think not about whether you want or not to complain about your neighbors, but about the fact that the issue of security is important only once, the second time, God forbid, of course, there will be no one to ask.

Ksyushka-Blyushka, two BTIs are being made in new buildings: after the house is commissioned, an apartment is measured, where there is still no repair, and after the repair is completed, the owners of the apartment invite the measurers again. They already give a new plan for the BTI, taking into account the repairs made and all redevelopments (legal).

I have a gas column the door in the kitchen opens inward :))

[Lika_n]

Lika_n, Angelica, well, this is already a violation of the Ukrainian norm “State building codes“ Gas supply. ”Where gas-using devices are installed, such as gas stoves, water heaters, etc., the door from the kitchen, as well as the front door, must open outward!
Let me explain why - during an explosion, the door is an easily ejected structure and receives the blast wave upon itself, that is, it flies out. And if the door opens inward, what happens - the door to the room is jammed.
Although she herself often met gross violations of both the GOS and SNiPs and the Fire Safety Rules in Khrushchev ... What to do, sometimes they first built, then supplied gas.
Proceeding from the fact that the Ukrainian standards grew out of the Soviet ones, I think that the Russian ones have the same prohibitions and permissions.

[Olenka]

Olenka, the most interesting thing that has been standing for a very long time, maybe even from the construction (house 49g), the column used to stand in the bathroom 30 years ago, the transfer was not even with me .. I have been living for 25 years :)) .. they check the cravings come. about two years ago they put meters .. there were 3 pieces of checking :)) .. only they said about the hose to the stove, they did not even mention the door. And I have privatization documents, there is a diagram like an apartment and a plan .. there the doors are marked .. that's how they are marked.
and we have a gas pipe .. tadam ... no one has :)))
enters near the front door, walks through the long corridor, gets in the middle of the apartment .. and enters the kitchen ..
so that everything that they could violate .. violated :))) and remove it from the street, I will have to rob the bank :)) with prices for the project and work.

[Angelica]

Angelica, no one will bother you to alter something if you don’t decide to put a boiler instead of a column. And so even the replacement of the column with a newer one will be skipped. I constantly came across such absurdity before in my work. Themselves screwed up and violated - you can, but you try to sneeze not according to the standard - nizya !!!
And so, for safety with gas, it is enough to provide air exchange - so that the ventilation and smoke channels are not clogged and the window (transom, window sash) is ventilated.

Angelica, do you have a second floor? I also had a pipe running through the whole apartment and from it the whole riser, so she interfered with me

Zhen, the second .. 5th floor of the house. Everyone's apartment is like this .. the main gas pipe goes at the entrance through the ceilings, then to each apartment :))

Olya, the boiler is not allowed to be put .. I would have disconnected nafik from the central heating system, otherwise for December 650gr (heating) .. but for what I don’t understand .. I feel chilly .. I walk like Fritz near Poltava :)))

[Angelica]

Angelica, please, don't be cold !!!
I know about the prohibition of autonomous systems ...

[Olenka]

Olenka, Thank you .. I adopt the Sphinx technique, often a lot)) .. in short .. greyus.
The Forest Raised a Christmas Tree,
She grew up in the forest.
Slim in winter and summer
Not that you let yourself go
PUT THE CAKE!

I read it to my husband .. he is now singing to me :))))
I say I'm warming myself

Our pipe went from the street to the entrance directly to the second floor, divided into three branches (there are three apartments on the floor), each branch entered its own apartment. At the two outermost apartments, one of the kitchen walls was at the same time the entrance wall, so the gas pipes immediately went into the riser. And my hut was average, the kitchen was in the back of the apartment, the pipe went through the closet, the entire corridor and along two walls of the kitchen to the riser. On all other floors there was only a riser and a piece of pipe with a tap.

damn, girls, everything is great, of course, but this is a topic about kitchen furniture, and there is another one about repairs and all that7 I hope every time that there is something interesting about furniture, but I come across the same garbage. Tie already here about it.

Be-be-be!

About redevelopment and coordination with the BTI, you need to start a separate topic

[wall cabinets]

Liz, come on about the furniture - I was so tormented by this pipe, wall cabinets it was hard to find