Kitchen machine Kenwood (2)

[without induction]

I fully support the previous speaker!
I have a current without induction, 23rd, but it was my personal choice.

But from this place you can learn more.
Gee. for sure, some people from St. Petersburg do not sleep.

[Angel with horns]

Well, I don’t know ... As a bread dough mixer, it is super yeast dough. in my opinion he kneads better than HP or HP may not come across as wonderful.
For dumplings dough - I agree, I'm also not happy. I knead for pasta in Kesha the flight is normal.
Biscuits, creams and whipped whites - there is nothing to say.
Overall, I am satisfied. But I repeat once again - induction is not necessary.
Angel with horns, and you, what are you going to do in it ?! For what needs ?!

[Angel with horns]

Angel with horns, here we are so persistent))) we are in a hurry to help our countrywoman

[Angel with horns]

Angel with horns, St. Petersburg bread lovers gathered))))

Well, okay not only from St. Petersburg, but also from Moscow residents. )))

[Musenovna]

Musenovna, Pchela maja, exactly! And all why? and so that one more bachelor (tobish Irina) does not sleep normally)))) To suffer the torments of choice, as we all suffer! And so you turn on your side and that ... and you scroll through all the messages and advice in your head .... but you will make the choice yourself !!!!! and no one here is no longer a decree or an advisor))) because we initially have our own plan in our head)))) and everything else is just its confirmation

Ir, I bought mine in December, when all this madness with prices began (and I had it planned for the spring), in total it came out either naked with induction or 23 with attachments, plus a set for pasta and a cube as a gift. I figured out why I might need induction .. to cook food, I have a family of 3 people, I don’t cook such volumes (up to and 4 mules and an air grill as it were), I cook semolina once a year on a promise-my daughter is an adult, only custard and ice cream base .. well, a clear overpayment on my part. And yet, I really needed a meat grinder. And I, quite deliberately, chose 23. And I do not regret a bit .. well, maybe a little .... that it’s not the 10th, but he’s too big for me.

Girls, I'm reading it - and I just can't get rid of the feeling that all this is not about Kesh ...
For me, he does everything perfectly, any dough, in any volume, both large and small. Yeast, and shortbread, and bread, and biscuits, and dumplings, and pasta - something in the main bowl, something in the processor.
I constantly use induction for yeast induction - warm up the same liquid before kneading.
I don't cook pasta, potatoes in it, it seems to me that it makes no sense But semolina is simply divine. Well, all sorts of custard products.
It seems that I rarely use induction, but I do not regret that I took 080.
Here you have to look at your needs and cost.

[Musenovna]

Here we, women, are able to confuse our heads and those around us.
Musenovna, I want to take off some routine functions (such as shredding, grating cheese, slicing salads, crushing nuts, etc.), and I want to start doing what was previously laborious (all kinds of baked goods and everything from the dough, as well as sauces , jams, creams, mashed soups). She even planned to cook jelly there, since in my family they still won't give anything to stir evenly with a spoon. I have already tortured my husband with this choice. In short, the brain orders to take the 20th, and the soul asks for flight and induction. I even a little envy those who confidently made their choice. And also this euro rate is nasty, it is growing and growing. It was necessary to immediately take it after NG, but for some reason hoped that after the holidays the euro would fall in price. Now I feel like a balbesian.

[m0use]

m0use, we have 4 people, my husband and I and two children who eat like adults. The meat grinder is a new, separate, animal-machine. You are well done, that you bought it on time, but I just paid attention to Kesha, after all the price increases.
Shl. 4 mules and a grill hit me in the heart. :. Well this is a separate large table for them! I don't complain about the area of ​​my kitchen, but I can't even imagine so much.

Here, as they say, it's easier than a steamed turnip: you can bribe the attachments later, but you can't bribe the induction to the combine. Therefore, it is better not to be mistaken))))

[Pchela maja]

Pchela maja, You will laugh, but I already bought the attachments. After all, the harvester had already been ordered and I was hoping that the store would sell it to me. So now I have not a classic case, when the milk box is already there, but the cow is still missing.

Good morning! All night I read the correspondence of St. Petersburg residents, I almost lost my mind. But my choice has also already been made in favor of the 84 model, and who has not yet decided with the choice, then in Eldorado this night 80 model was 58 with a penny, plus you can take nozzles as a gift, and given the cost of the paste set (16,990), it seems to me a very good option. Plus free delivery.

I was thinking about replacing my 560 Ken with because I was missing the mid-speed slot for the "combine". Most of the 10 and 20 models at that moment came in sets with additional attachments, which I already had in stock and did not want to overpay for them. After reading about induction, I thought that it would make it easier for me to make sauces, choux pastry, and maybe something else. And just at that moment a good offer came across, 084 Ken without additional. nozzles. I did not make dumplings dough in it, but for bread (there is no bread machine) I do it all the time and I use a hook more often than other attachments. I use induction for sauces (I'm just super happy), custard, marshmallows, yesterday I made pasta with green peas (https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...on=com_smf&topic=391652.0), it is very convenient that you do not have to stand at the stove. At the moment, only the second bowl is missing and the volume is still too big for me. There would be induction on 4-liter volumes, there would be no price for it (for me).

Girls, here I am also sitting reading you and I want to object !!!
Well, you completely dropped Kesha !!
You just can't imagine how he kneads rye dough for bread !! It is smooth, silky, such HP can be kneaded with great difficulty!
And on white bread! Well, just a fairy tale! And the hook for the 80 series and 20 series - I have not experienced anything better! He doesn't just shake the dough around the bowl, but he kneads it like with his hands !!
You watch!
And if it doesn't work out, then the proportions are not correct!

Induction is a good bonus, it is not always necessary, but it is very necessary when kneading bread.
I also kneaded tough dough for pasta, kneaded perfectly.
Can't understand why you don't like it.

You just can't imagine how he kneads rye dough for bread !! It is smooth, silky, such HP can be kneaded with great difficulty! And on white bread! Well, just a fairy tale! And the hook for the 80 series and 20 series - I have not experienced anything better! He doesn't just shake the dough around the bowl, but he kneads it like with his hands !!

I also use a hook most often - every other day I knead it on bread for 800 g. flour, although there is a new HP.

Girls, today in Medimarkt model 084 costs quite an adequate price of 55879 rubles, of course not 45000 rubles, as it was in the store . but still.

Girls, today in Medimarkt model 084 costs quite an adequate price of 55879 rubles, of course not 45000 rubles, as it was in the store . but still.

Unfortunately, Mediamarkt is lying. This is the second time I try to order Kenwood 086 there for this price. And if the first time after placing an order on the Internet, they called me and said that they did not have combines for this price (I wrote about it here), then the second time I ordered 01.01, the order was confirmed by phone and the pickup date was set at 15.01. Then they moved to 20, but no one called the day before, I began to find out myself. They replied that it will be necessary, but later. In the morning, the price was increased by 30,000 rubles. !!! I didn't even call back.

[Olga.S]

Olga.S, there is nothing, unfortunately.

[Angel with horns]

Angel with horns, this is Penza. Change the city in the site settings. Now it costs 58699 rubles

Nobody will give up Kenwood 086 for such a price now, it will be a naked complete set of model 084, without a blender and food processor. But in the current situation, it is better to take for 55879 rubles 084 and buy what you need in addition. Than 086 for 100 thousand.

[Olga.S]

Olga.S, thanks for writing about Eldorado. I ordered a car there and chose a nozzle as a gift. Let's see what comes and at what price, it is very suspiciously cheap and even with a gift.
Also, like Angel with horns, I am chasing a car with induction at an adequate price and several stores have already given a ride after ordering

Mediamarkt is still an office! My friend tried right before the new year to buy a product with an interest-free installment plan for their promotion from the site (that is, there was a list of goods participating in this promotion with an interest-free installment plan). So when she came across the city to the store, she was dumbfounded that banks stopped giving such a loan and the promotion was not valid.

[Marina]

Marina, before NG, banks really did just that - in all retail outlets where loans were provided, even overdraft cards did not work.

[Angel with horns]

Angel with horns, this is Penza. Change the city in the site settings. Now it costs 58699 rubles

Yes, there really is in Penza. But it is impossible to order in St. Petersburg, unfortunately.

Girls, I'm reading it - and I just can't get rid of the feeling that all this is not about Kesh ...
For me, he does everything perfectly, any dough, in any volume, both large and small. Yeast, and shortbread, and bread, and biscuit, and dumplings, and pasta - something in the main bowl, something in the processor.
I constantly use induction for yeast induction - heat the same liquid before kneading.
I don’t cook pasta, potatoes in it, it seems to me that it makes no sense. But semolina is simply divine. Well, all sorts of custard products.
It seems that I rarely use induction, but I do not regret that I took 080.

Girls, here I am also sitting reading you and I want to object !!!
Well, you completely dropped Kesha !!

And on white bread! Well, just a fairy tale! And the hook in the 80 series and 20 series - I have not experienced anything better! He doesn't just shake the dough around the bowl, but he kneads it like his hands !!
You watch!
And if it doesn't work, then the proportions are not correct!

Induction is a good bonus, it is not always needed, but it is very necessary when kneading bread.
I also kneaded tough dough for pasta, kneaded perfectly.
I can't understand why you don't like it.

I also use a hook most often - every other day I knead it on bread for 800 g. flour, although there is a new HP.

I subscribe to every word !!!!!
I recently used to communicate with Kesha (you know how I pestered everyone here!), But I want to say that I can’t live without him !!!! Dough for bread, dough for dumplings, dumplings, custard, choux pastry and much, much more !!!! - IT'S JUST DIVINE !!!!! Induction presence +++++++++++ !!!!!!!! When kneading yeast dough, when preparing custard products !!!
He really kneads the dough like with his hands, I never cease to be touched, watching him!
For me it was a VERY and VERY EXPENSIVE purchase! I bought it on credit, but I never regret that I bought this particular model (096) and that I bought it with induction.

And the hook in the 80 series and 20 series - I have not experienced anything better! He doesn't just shake the dough around the bowl, but he kneads it like his hands !!

Yes, the hook in these models is a fairy tale .... 650gr ... I am delighted with it !!!
Maybe because there are such different reviews, that according to the models, the attachments are different in appearance / quality / functionality?

[Violin]

Violin, I think we have different reviews because I, for example, are a sucker-baker ... You need to get used to it or get used to it, but I don’t know what kind of "right dough" it is, then it will turn out that nothing will work out)) for me here I like how in Bosch 6 series processors they make dough in 30-40 seconds for bread and dumplings, so for a meal, a small amount ...So I bring confusion in my head, and at the same time I share my thoughts with you

[Lika2882]

Lika2882, just for some reason, many are afraid of yeast dough, although in vain, it is very beneficial. You will make a couple of times according to a good recipe, and then over time, without even feeling with your hands, you will determine the consistency by eye
And in 30-40 seconds you can't make a good yeast dough - yeast doesn't need speed at all ... It's like Doshirak and homemade soup in comparison
And Kesha was created to help us, to facilitate the kneading process, because many people do not dare to knock out with their hands, because it takes a long time to knock out and knead, the longer it is to knock out with a jolly, the better the result. These are, of course, good exercises for the shoulder girdle and cardio training, but not everyone can knock out a good dough, for example, 1 liter. liquids. Whoever does this will understand me. And here everything is simple - I put the ingredients in, turned on Kesha and ... then a little bit later to pull out the finished airy dough, and I watch the process like that - a baldey. Here, most importantly, the recipe is good to have, although if the bread is for the oven, and not for HP, then everything is almost forgiven if you bake in the form

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, and do not share a good recipe ...? Does this mean that 40 second bread won't taste the same as in Kesh? Hmm ... And the boshovody so praise this waste dough and dumplings too ... They say that the underdough itself passes while it reaches the refrigerator ...

And more, I ask for advice ... I got confused ... I have a 570, a cat without a medium speed ...
It is very necessary:
1. type of food processor .... Graters for a small amount of food (for frying in soup and omelet). I wanted Moulinex fresh cube ... But there it is somehow difficult to care for, in my opinion, and the button is lazy to hold!
2. A cube ... Keshkin is not necessary, this is the same story as with a high-speed one, if the volume is small, then there is more trouble in assembly / washing
3. Schaub both points were in the same device - I was thinking of changing the cache entirely to bosh mum ... But with the order I did not succeed due to my fault, so I think - fate ?? !! Gives me a chance not to make another mistake ?? !! Maybe not need to change ?? After all, I also need large volumes ... For example, a sieve for wiping - a miracle to weigh! A bucket of berries will grind without problems ... Morsiki mmmim)) a meat grinder, the identity of a beast ... And after all, I have three muzhichin in the kit ... They need meat! Yes, more !!! I fell for bosh msm series 6 ... Because it costs like a mulinex vegetable cutter, and you don't need to hold the button and it's more powerful ...
My head is spinning ... I need help !!!!!!

There is nothing complicated with washing with a high-speed parsing or with cubes. It only seems difficult at first, then you will collect it automatically.)))

I also do not understand why people write that it takes longer to assemble and disassemble. I have it constantly in use. I mean high speed. No cube.

Yes, navryatli, for a long time I have it, for more than a year for sure ... For the sake of one carrot and one onion, I don't get it ...

And a combine for one carrot and one onion?
As for me, that one nozzle to collect, disassemble, wash, dry, and another, there is no difference.
I usually cut one onion faster with my hands on a board.

Does this mean that 40 second bread won't taste the same as in Kesh? Hmm ... And the boshovody so praise this waste dough and dumplings too ... They say that the underdough itself passes while it reaches the refrigerator ...

Well, it doesn’t take 40 seconds — it must still settle in the refrigerator, it must mature — this is a completely different technology, I will not say anything about it, I haven’t tried it. I use the dough in two versions - with dough (when the yeast is diluted in a warm liquid, and then the dough is kneaded) and without dough - when I use fast-acting instant yeast (they are mixed with flour). What is the main point of kneading / knocking out the dough, in addition to mixing the ingredients thoroughly and developing gluten? This is the enrichment of the test with air (oxygen). Butter dough (with the addition of butter, eggs) is kneaded longer than bread dough.

At the expense of the nozzles ... From your words, that large volumes do not turn out / do not cut, any separate unit will also be too lazy to get it, only it will take up space, then maybe just a knife? After all, the grater / shredder is not the main thing in Cache, it is an additional feature. I personally want a food processor, unfortunately I can't buy it yet.
I tend to use in Cache those features and attachments that are really difficult to replace with something, for example, a grits mill - how many different attachments I looked, this one seems to be the most convenient and the like.
I didn't have any information about kitchen machines at all ...I began to twist the meat grinder badly and I decided to replace it, began to study this issue closer and more thoroughly ... because I'm used to making a choice always thoroughly and I don't like buying "junk". Once I came to Eldorado to look at the meat grinder model that interested me, and accidentally saw Kenwood -289 on the opposite rack, this is the simplest machine, to which additional. You cannot buy attachments, only those that are included. I noticed this in my head and began to look in the internet, what kind of cars are these .... And away we go .. I realized that this device is capable of replacing almost all my life. appliances in the kitchen, including a meat grinder ... I tortured the girls here and in the next branch with questions, I could not decide on the volume of the bowl - there was no one in the city to compare. Thanks to the girls for the advice and experience!
As a result: I have Kesha 084, and I bought a new knife and grate for my meat grinder - and it works as before
But now I don't even have the thought of putting a meat grinder on Kesha (nozzle) - I realized that his main philosophy is not at all in this
Here's a story

I do not know what machines of other firms are in operation, but I bastard from my Keshka - he inspires me to feats and saves my time
It so happened that my husband and I bought Kesha and a new spirit with a short interval in time. cabinet and hob, so the creative process is almost every day

And a harvester for one carrot and one onion?
As for me that one nozzle to collect, disassemble, wash, dry, and another, there is no difference.
I usually cut one onion faster with my hands on a board.

Well he's a processor !! This design is different, there is a pin bowl and a disc - that's it. I cut it, scraped it out of the bowl into a multi-bowl, and put the bowl from the processor in the pm, rinse the disk with my hands, so be it)) and all business! And it stands stationary, of course, assembled and at hand ...

[Violin]

Violin, and can you have a version of the test without dough?

[Violin]

Violin, and can you have a version of the test without dough?

Khlebny?
I'll write to you in a personal note tomorrow, since this branch is not for recipes

it is difficult to replace with something, for example, a cereal mill - how many different sorts I looked at, this one seems to be the most convenient and similar

You see, Svetlana, and Masha and someone else (I don't remember) considered the multi-shredder one of the most inconvenient. And high-speed too ... Therefore, to each his own ...
Someone kneads badly ... Someone does not do powder like that
I've realized one thing - there are no universal devices.
A year ago I wanted to post a video with kneading dough ... how he strained it. even took it off on a tablet. But I didn’t come up with any stands. As a result, my hands were shaking, it turned out garbage, I did not spread it

It strains me when mixing. It is hardly worth sinning on the wrong proportions ... The proportions have been verified over the years
In all other respects, I adore him. However, the price for it is unrealistically high.
And the nozzles are very expensive too

hence there were my opuses that you can look at something else ... based only on my own experience
now dough mixers with heating have appeared ... and cubes ... and pasta are many times cheaper (and given the cost of each disc for the same pasta, so finally)
Yes. For me, this is a really wonderful helper ... and my friends are twisting at my temple ... however, as they heard about my 5 multicooker and all other devices. They perfectly handle pots, pans, wooden spatulas and golden handles

Someone kneads badly ... Someone does the wrong powder. I just realized one thing - there are no universal devices.

It is universal, I think, but there are apparently no ideal ones, this is a fact. But I think it's worth considering Kesha initially. as a dough mixer and functions close to this, and not at first considered as a meat grinder / shredder / rubbing ... IMHO.

A year ago I wanted to post a video with kneading dough ... how he strained it. even took it off on a tablet. But I didn’t come up with any stands. As a result, my hands were shaking, it turned out garbage, I did not spread it

Natalya, and in what way is this tension expressed? Is it squeaking, rolling on the countertop, or what?

However, the price for it is unrealistically high. And the nozzles are very expensive too

I absolutely agree, especially with the current course, and even considering that if the main base / bed breaks down, then the attachments cannot be attached to anything - it is impossible for all devices to work at once ... This is not encouraging ...

And as for the grinder for cereals, I did not mean the AT320 grinder, but the AT 941 mill, in my opinion everyone likes it.

I also really like Kesha as a dough mixer. Very good dough turns out. For example, butter with a potato, so good. The product inside is also with a good structure.

[Zhanik]

Zhanik, I checked my car for kneading a tough dough for noodles, so there is not any nyapryag, compared to Bosch so in general ... maybe you are very picky about him?

Is it squeaking, rolling on the countertop, or what?

he shakes his head (OK! Maria wrote that this is an admission). I will write again that I saw the consequences of such exploitation ... they are sad. The latch stops locking. The head even works separately from the rest of the bed. And this is not the worst option. Worse when it just burns out
The proposal in the operating instructions to divide the dough when kneading, you must admit, does not give enthusiasm ...
That is, if something is not a warranty case
In principle, he cannot ride on the tabletop because of the weight, this is a big plus
The tips say
"Cool yeast dough"
* 1.36 kg flour
* 750 ml of water
i.e. 1.8 / 1 ... Is this a tough dough?

Or am I just confusing something?

And yes. I am writing about the 080 series
They say that there are practically no such claims to 010 and 020. They are arranged a little differently. and the electronics are not so much crammed there

maybe you are very picky about him?

Apparently yes
I'll make a video and post it

Khlebny?
I will write to you in a personal note tomorrow, since this branch is not for recipes

ATP) I'm waiting

he shakes his head

Natasha, what do you mean "shakes"? that is, its upper movable part (horizontal) rises straight up and down, forming a gap between the parts, or what?

The tips say "Cool yeast dough" * 1.36 kg of flour * 750 ml of water. e. 1.8 / 1 ... Is this a tough dough? Or am I just confusing something?

Judging by the proportions - pretty cool YEAST: girl-yes:

And yes. I am writing about the 080 series
They say that there are practically no such claims to 010 and 020. They are arranged a little differently. and the electronics are not so much crammed there

Clear. At our Bulgarian forum, a woman who has both 020 and 080 also said that the second one does not like how she kneads the dough.

Natasha, what do you mean "shakes"? that is, its upper movable part (horizontal) rises straight up and down, forming a gap between the parts, or what?

Yes. Everything is correct. At the same time, the advice to adjust the hook does not help. He shakes his head more when the dough falls between the hook and the side of the bowl. He kind of jams and hums ... Not for long, until after a couple of turns he slaps him on the other side of the bowl ... but strains. Well, I'm a nervous person to watch this. Fair.
I have asked these questions for a long time ... No one really responded ... everyone is fine ... for myself, I decided to knead cool HP tests. Before NG, I was kneading gingerbread cakes on burnt sugar in Kesh according to a recipe from the site .... I didn't even mix it. Again I could not resist ... So what is it? me in the fool?

Yes, navryatli, for a long time I have it, for more than a year for sure ... For the sake of one carrot and one onion, I don't get it ...

For one carrot and one onion, a Berner grater is ideal. Now I do everything on it, but large volumes are easier on a combine, and so it has no price! If anything, I have had it for over 15 years, so I know what I'm saying. Over the years, only the fruit holder has changed, the knives are sharp on everything, as they were. So complement Kesha Berner and you will be happy.