Dr.NO
KMC - Kitchen Machine Chef
KMM - Kitchen Machine Major
Cerj
Yes - silicone (if you can call them that) in a series with induction. heated (070,080,086) go. Chef is with a volume of 4.5 liters, and Major with 6.7 liters
EkaterinaLg
Basically, the difference between 020 and 040 is not significant: 🔗... 040 is slightly smaller - within 2-3 cm and 200 g. easier. As for the timer, I use it, for example, when peeling potatoes. I turned it on for 20-30 minutes and I don't think about what needs to be controlled. If you buy locally, I don't think it's worth overpaying. I bought 040 myself only because only 010 (013) and 040 (043) were on sale. The price of 040, with the attachments I needed, cost almost half as much as the 020 we sold, plus an additional bowl was a gift.
Vei
Quote: Cerj

Yes - silicone (if you can call them that) in a series with induction. heated (070,080,086) go. Chef is with a volume of 4.5 liters, and Major with 6.7 liters
That is, you have to order it right away, since it doesn't fit in the standard? Has anyone used a macaroon attachment? Is it comfortable or can you do without it?
EkaterinaLg
In theory, this nozzle (I'm talking about a stirrer with a rubberized pad) should be included. A lot of information on nozzles here: https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...on=com_smf&topic=121798.0
Sweet8311
Hello, please advise whether it is worth buying Kenwwod km086 for 60-70t. R. or is it more expedient to buy a good kitchen combine for 30 tons and a good multicooker for 25? thanks in advance for your opinion.
Masinen
Kenwood 80 will never replace a multicooker for you, no matter how super-duper it is)
tanya123
Cartoon is a completely separate technique, I think that it can hardly be replaced with something ...
Sweet8311
as I understand you are for the second option :)
tanya123
Well, here I am, I think it's worth spending money on a good harvester and a good cartoon!
Olga VB
Quote: tanya123
Well, here I am, I think it's worth spending money on a good harvester and a good cartoon!
+1
Of course, if this technique is needed, and there are funds for it.
I have Kesha 080 and a slow cooker (Redmond 150). Both work regularly and only complement each other, but in no way do not replace.
Vei
And I am for KMM 020 (or 040) plus a good cartoon like Stadler Form and a good pressure cooker like Steba DD1eco. Instead of multi, you can smart SV like Borka 700)))
Musenovna
Quote: Sweet8311

Hello, please advise whether it is worth buying Kenwwod km086 for 60-70t. R. or is it more expedient to buy a good kitchen combine for 30 tons and a good multicooker for 25? thanks in advance for your opinion.

I have 086, and I wanted to buy 020. I am very happy with the choice. But there is no multicooker and I don't need it. And let them throw slippers at me. But the only interesting function in the cartoon, in my understanding, is a long languor in low temperatures.
I like to bake in the oven, I like to cook on the gas stove, to simmer in special good dishes.
Vei
Yes, no one will throw slippers at anyone, everyone has their own opinion. But if you don't have CF, then how can you say you don't need it?
I have Thermomix, which heats and mixes, and even grinds it, but this does not replace a multicooker, let alone a pressure cooker. I really have an electric stove, not a gas one, but I haven’t been using it for a year now and God forbid I return to it - I’m already so out of the habit, everything is already inconvenient!
kseniya D
I like cooking on a gas stove

And now you can't force me to cook on a gas stove (except maybe pasta). In 2 cartoons I cook everything: eggs, vegetables, soups, compotes, and cereals. It's even hard to imagine how I did without them.
Olga VB
Nah, I have pasta in the cartoon too ...
In addition, some dishes in it turn out much tastier (not to mention the fact that it is more convenient) than on the stove or in the oven.
For example, biscuits and casseroles in the oven will never turn out to be so tall, fluffy and tasty.
And some types of bread (I don't even compare with a bread maker!)
And pilaf, by the way, is also tastier in MV. Well, and still all different.
Of course, some dishes can be cooked at 080, but I only use this when constant stirring is necessary in parallel with cooking.
And when you don't need to stir anything, then there is no point in listening to how she rumbles (there, heating without a stirrer does not turn on).
And the flat bottom in the MV is sometimes much more convenient than the narrow one in the CM, for example, if you fry something.
So slippers are slippers, and MV and KM will not replace (yet?) Each other.
And I'm not talking about the oven and stove in comparison with CF.
Musenovna
And I did not talk about replacing the multi with any combine. These are two different devices.
Maybe someone needs it. Some of them have two.
She had a mediocre deal with cartoons and honestly was not thrilled. And I ate food from the thermomix. Well, somehow everything is not right. It tastes better and faster on gas.
Convince me, I can also decide to buy a multi.
Marusya
Why convince? I like cooking on a gas stove - no one minds! I have gas, and 2 multi (normal and pressure cooker) and Kenwood KM-010. Everything is at work every day. Yesterday I baked lenten pies in the oven.
Musenovna
Quote: Marusya

Why convince? I like cooking on a gas stove - no one minds! I have gas, and 2 multi (normal and pressure cooker) and Kenwood KM-010. Everything is at work every day. Yesterday I baked lenten pies in the oven.

Yes, I've been looking at the multicooker for a year now AND I NEVER understand whether it is needed or not. Someone has 2-3.
Vei
Quote: Musenovna

Yes, I've been looking at the multicooker for a year now AND I NEVER understand whether it is needed or not. Someone has 2-3.
I only have 4 of them in daily use (3 SV and one mini-MV), the other four, if necessary, I take out of the locker. But I am campaigning for pressure cookers))) although this should be discussed in another topic ...
Marusya
Agree with Vei!
Dr.NO
Quote: Vei

Has anyone used a macaroon attachment? Is it comfortable or can you do without it?
Yes, I have, comfortable. It is quite possible to do it the old fashioned way neatly with a silicone spatula by hand.
ZEElena
tanya123, as well as members of the forum and members of the forum! Can you tell me where you ordered the Combine? Here I am looking after KMM020.
Masinen
Quote: Dr.NO

Yes, I have, comfortable. It is quite possible to do it the old fashioned way neatly with a silicone spatula by hand.
And how can I drive it into the Ibei search?
Vei
Quote: ZEElena

tanya123, as well as members of the forum and members of the forum! Can you tell me where you ordered the Combine? Here I am looking after KMM020.
Are you asking about Russia or are you also considering buying abroad?
ZEElena
Vei, everything has to be considered ((in Siberia in Tomsk, they write to such a city, they do not deliver.
Masinen
Quote: Masinen

And how can I drive it into the Ibei search?
No on Ibei. More precisely, there is but 54 thousand rubles !!!!
tanya123
ZEElena,
I throw the answer in a personal, so that the links do not shine here ...
ZEElena
Quote: tanya123

ZEElena,
I throw the answer in a personal, so that the links do not shine here ...
Thank you, the price here is prettier, BUT ... the delivery is wow! how is the price of a one-way ticket Can you tell me who delivers cheaper? - They also require filling in the box weight, length, width, height
majyshenka
Good day! Girls, please help! I seem to have read the entire branch carefully, but I could not decide.
I am examining a kitchen machine and cannot understand the difference:
Titanium Chef KM013 and Titanium Chef KMC013
the same question about series 010
And most importantly - what is the fundamental difference between model 013 and 010, which one should you take?
Sorry if I repeated the question ...
Musenovna
013 is 010 + complete with some attachments, and 010 is just one combine.
Compare prices and which attachments you need. It can be cheaper to buy the harvester itself + attachments, and there is a set at a good price. You decide.
Anka_DL
I want to pamper myself with KMM 020.
Confused by the run-up of prices with the same configuration from 5600 to 7200 UAH.
On those sites where the country of origin is indicated, they write that China.
Girls and boys, in which stores in Germany did you order cashes?
majyshenka
Thank you! It turns out that the machines themselves are the same in those parameters, and the difference in digital marking means differences only in filling additional. nozzles, right?
But what then does the letter difference between these two combines mean? KM and CCM?
Musenovna
Quote: Anka_DL

I want to pamper myself with KMM 020.
Confused by the run-up of prices with the same configuration from 5600 to 7200 UAH.
On those sites where the country of origin is indicated, they write that China.
Girls and boys, in which stores in Germany did you order cashes?

The harvester is produced in China.
Ingushechka
Quote: Anka_DL

I want to pamper myself with KMM 020.
Confused by the run-up of prices with the same configuration from 5600 to 7200 UAH.
On those sites where the country of origin is indicated, they write that China.
Girls and boys, in which stores in Germany did you order cashes?
Good day.
I recently purchased cache 023 from the Germans on computeruniverse. By the way, now it is available there, and even for 3500 rubles. cheaper than I bought. Delivery cost me about 35 euros. Combine in basic configuration: heat-resistant blender, K-attachment, whisk, dough hook and silicone stirrer for creams.
Delivery took about a little over two weeks.
Vei
Ingushechka,
Is the 023 basic equipment? There, besides the nozzles listed by you, there was nothing else (no citrus press, no mini grinder)?
Olga VB
For Maya and Ani.
The car is made in China, like almost everything now.
You can buy in your own country (in Ukraine it is cheaper than in Russia, but in Russia you can find good offers), you can in Germany, you can in England, in Italy, etc. according to the list ... In China I do not advise you, you can get burnt.
Which model to choose and at what price is up to you.
If you want to get an unambiguous answer to your questions, it makes sense for you read the whole thread, explore official site Kenwood on this topic in order to understand the differences between the models, and then do for yourself unambiguous conclusion based on of their needs.
And only then look for a seller.
It must be remembered that
one). The warranty does not apply to goods bought in a country other than your home country.
2). Prices shown on foreign websites include VAT, which sometimes can be minus (divide the price by, for example, 1.19, if the tax is 19%, etc.).
3). Add shipping costs to the price.
4). Add the cost of the duty, if any. At the same time, focus not on the OBS, but on new from this year destination customs regulations.
5). Think over what you will do if the product turns out to be defective, and how much it will cost additionally, for example, sending it to the seller, and the possibility of returning must be discussed in advance and have a written confirmation of this.
6). It is imperative (!) To discuss the packaging with the seller in advance and, preferably, to have written evidence of this, for example, in the form of a commercial offer or just email. letters, not just by phone. This is due to the fact that online stores take information from different sources, not always adapting it to local conditions, and product labeling on-site and-no-store for different configurations it may be the same or, conversely, different markings for the same configurations. Only the labeling on the packaging is reliable, if it is original. But what exactly is covered under this marking is only the official information of the manufacturer for your country can guarantee, because different countries have different markings for the same product.
For example, I made sure that for the Kenwood Cooking Chef KM, which I bought, in the Russian Federation, the same equipment is sometimes written as 080 or 084 or 086 on different sites.
7). Even if the price on the site is not the smallest, in comparison with others, do not be lazy to call and clarify - perhaps there it will be possible to negotiate a discount or get (accidentally) on some promotion or something else interesting and useful for yourself find out or receive.
8 ). When buying in your country, be sure to check the warranty period and whose guarantee it is - the seller or the official supplier. If the seller, and at your disposal is not a list on 2 sheets of warranty workshops, but 1-3-5, then this is the "left" delivery. It will probably be cheaper, but it is also more problematic in case of defects or breakdowns of the device.
..........
In short, study the office. site and this thread, then you will have almost no questions left.
The decision is up to you.
And then at whom you will nod then, if you buy at a considerable price a certain "bandurina", which you absolutely do not need or does not meet your expectations.
Ingushechka
Quote: Olga VB
new from this year the customs rules of the destination.
Please tell me what changes have occurred in the customs regulations? And where can you find this out?
Masinen
Ingushechka, nothing yet. So order, otherwise they will impose duties, God forbid.
Olga VB
The draft of the new customs rules and, accordingly, the estimated amounts of duties have been published. But they caused a lot of controversy, because they look just draconian compared to the old ones. Therefore, they were sent for revision.
That is, they will definitely be there as soon as they are coordinated and approved everywhere. When this will happen, no one knows. Any day can be.
And the current rules for each specific moment can be viewed at the office. website of the customs service.

Masha, thank you for your help with the answer.
I used to think that your ava is just a picture from the Internet, but it turns out that this is almost an accurate portrait. In life, you are the same beauty. Even better!
Nice to meet you.
Masinen
Masha, thank you for your help with the answer.
I used to think that your ava is just a picture from the Internet, but it turns out that this is almost an accurate portrait. In life, you are the same beauty. Even better!
Nice to meet you.

Olga, Olya, well, embarrassed me))
Thank you))
I was also glad to meet you live)
The serum has already been put into work !!
Musenovna
By the way, my fly in the ointment for those who want to buy a harvester in another country. The set included a heat-resistant blender. There is a sealing gum on the lid of it, which is firmly stuck to the blender bowl. The cover was torn when trying to remove it. Considering that I did buy it nearby (in Moscow), they replaced me with a new blender without question.
Laslovna
I had the same story with a blender. In the Kenwood shop, the blender with the lid was changed without further ado! :-)
Olga VB
Quote: Masinen
The serum has already been put into work !!
I'm glad I came in handy. Let the result be good.
If you still need it, you are always welcome!
Ingushechka
Well, good) And then I already ordered nozzles in the same place, they should send it the other day.
Ingushechka
Quote: Vei

Ingushechka,
Is the 023 basic equipment? There, besides the nozzles listed by you, there was nothing else (no citrus press, no mini grinder)?

No, there was nothing else. But that is why the price is appropriate - not 45 thousand, as we have in Russia. For example, I don't need a meat grinder and a citrus press - I have them separately and I'm very happy with them. And I have already ordered a chopper and other necessary devices. I'm waiting ..)
Musenovna
Quote: Ingushechka

No, there was nothing else. But that is why the price is appropriate - not 45 thousand, as we have in Russia. For example, I don't need a meat grinder and a citrus press - I have them separately and I'm very happy with them. And I have already ordered a chopper and other necessary devices. I'm waiting ..)

Therefore, it is more profitable to buy 020 + attachments. In Russia, that's for sure. Especially when not all attachments are needed
ZEElena
Quote: Olga VB


In short, study the office. site and this thread, then you will have almost no questions left.
The decision is up to you.
And then at whom you will nod then, if you buy at a considerable price a certain "bandurina", which you absolutely do not need or does not meet your expectations.
Thank you very much for such a detailed answer.
ZEElena
Quote: ZEElena

Thank you very much for such a detailed answer.
Happy owners, pliz, I stand before choosing a KMM 023 machine in the base 1500 watts and KMM 770 10 to the base + high-speed 1200 watts or KMM 020 07 to the base + AT 647 food processor (but 1000 watts is written. Does this happen in the KMM 020?) WHAT to choose ? Tell me, good people?
EkaterinaLg
ZEElena,
I would choose KMM 020 + the desired attachments.

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