Bread Maker Kenwood BM450

[stepnatali]

stepnatali, you need to enter your own program, your stove is programmable, read the instructions carefully.

Hello again everyone. I continue to understand the functions of the bread maker. I ask everyone to help me with their experience. Tell me the recipes for the programs "homemade dough", which is kneaded for a very long time and how to use the "cake" program. Where to buy malt, except for the All-Russian Exhibition Center ??? How to set up your favorite rye bread maker program step by step? Are there any recipes for making rye bread without malt? Here ....

stepnatali

Where to buy malt, except for the All-Russian Exhibition Center ???

Ask the Muscovites! https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=70.0, even in the Five and in the Lenta a set for kvass (a bag of concentrate + yeast for bread is not suitable). I have not seen kvass wort extract in cans this year, IMHO there is no demand --- This is in St. Petersburg,
Look here for sourdough rye without malt
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=30.0
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=6483.0

Tell your friends, who has the 450th Kenwood, but did anyone have such that the dispenser does not open? It buzzes, thunders ... but remains closed ... I put a cake with raisins for the night - in the morning the cake was wonderful, but without raisins: - ((

I have a BM 450 model. The dispenser always opened, check the black button on the right, press it, it may just stick.

yeah ... the first thing I do is this button .. hmm hmm ... I researched, I'll try to "pick it up"
Thank you

Dear owners of the Kenwood BM-450 bread machine, tell me, is it possible to make yogurt in it? I set my sights on buying this stove, everyone likes it, but I can't find information about yogurt anywhere (maybe I was looking badly?). If anyone made yogurt in this bread, share your experience on how to program Kenwood BM-450 for this and how do you assess the taste of the resulting yogurt? thanks in advance for any answers or references ...

[nataly_osa]

nataly_osa Here is a Temka about Yoghurts https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=134.0
The bread maker can't do everything! Although there are craftsmen, and porridge is cooked in it

And if bacteria and milk for yogurt are mixed and put in a bread pan without a spatula in the HP. And program the oven for 5 hours of proofing, and the proofing is at 35 degrees?

sazalexter, thank you for the link, unfortunately, on my specific question, I did not find an answer on this thread ...

Bee, thanks for the practical advice, of course, as soon as I decide on the choice of a bread machine, I will try this option ...

But the fact is that I WOULD like to know in advance what my future helper-bread maker is capable of. I know only one single requirement for a bread maker to be able to make yoghurt in it - it must be programmable. So far, Kenwood BM-450 is in my priorities, and it is just that, only I don’t know the nuances, and nowhere can I find specific information from experienced users: this is such and such an individual program, it is possible, this is how it is better, etc. ...

At first I drew attention to a new product among Rolsen RBM-1288 bread makers 🔗 because of the information that she knows how to make yoghurts. Later she began to understand the issue, and found out that she was not alone. The main thing is the ability to program it, but how exactly is not very clear to me yet ... maybe, as the Bee prompts, but I would like to know for sure.
Dear bakers, if anyone has experience in making yogurt in a bread maker in general (and in Kenwood BM-450 in particular), please share with your future baker!

Lord bakers. Yesterday I was presented with BM450. But there is one problem. The recipe books inside the 3 languages ​​Greek, French and Italian are beyond my scope.

And according to these links that were given above in the branch, everything was deleted or expired. Reposition pliz somewhere

[zeka]

Lord bakers. Yesterday I was presented with BM450. But there is one problem.The 3-language recipe books inside the Greek, French and Italian are beyond my scope.

And according to these links that were given above in the branch, everything was deleted or expired. Re-post pliz somewhere

zeka, here in this post the link is "live".

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=8408.0

[Zeka]

Zeka, I have emailed the Kenwood recipe book file. Good luck.

[Duzera]

For Duzera and everyone who wants to lay out a book of recipes for the x / oven Kenwood BM 450 on

🔗

Good luck.

[Val]

Good day everyone

Today I got the 450th, the first for me. I decided to give my wife and me such a gift for our wedding anniversary.
Only now we did not get the Russian book - but according to the link from Val already downloaded 10 times, more rapid does not give.
Can I go to the post office? adm-dog-shammie-dot-me

I want to please my spouse with hot bread tomorrow morning
Thank you

[Shinobi]

Shinobi, with the purchase!

Look at my post 6 posts above, there is a link to a working link (sorry, for the tautology).

[Shinobi]

Shinobi, congratulations on your anniversary and purchase (my husband and I made a present for ourselves a month ago)!

I am sending you a recipe book, which I posted on the rapidshar, by email. I didn't know that it would be available for download only 10 times.

Looked at the link that gives poiuytrewq, a book on the operation of the x / stove is posted on it, and I have book of recipes in the original, in Russian, just don't know how to post it on the forum, can someone tell me?

By the way, none of the members of the forum have a recipe book for my x / oven Delongy 125? And then the instruction manual was already attached to it in the kit in Russian. language, and the recipe book is only in foreign language.

Here on our forum you can download instructions for 125 Delongy, and there are many recipes in it. That is, there is no separate recipe book, download the instructions.

Instructions for the x / oven with recipes in rus. language I just have in the kit x / stove, a very beautiful printing, not "self-published" edition. And I would also like to have a real (or translated), like Kenwood 450, a book of recipes in Russian. So, for the sake of interest, "so bulo" ....

[Val]

Val, Thank you!
The surprise was a success, and so was the bread

PS: if someone explains where to add karma to good people, it will be great

[Shinobi]

Shinobi , as far as I remember, according to the rules of the forum, you can add after 50 useful messages. That is, after this number of messages, in the main sections of the forum

hmm ... apparently I overlooked this part in the rules [left to reread]

And here is the third call (the second one did not take pictures, since it was a guest loaf, for the parents)
As a change, you definitely need to use the dark crust mode (it turns out much more beautiful).
Plus, while saving the first program, the recipe was modified:
150ml whey + 100ml milk (self-boiled steam)
4h l. sugar (half vanilla and regular), 1 tsp. l. salt
1 st. l. oils
350g. flour (Nastyusha improved)
1h l. yeast (on the advice of members of the forum Dr. Oetker)

the scent is not like the whole apartment - the whole street
well, delicious extraordinary

So that the crust on top is prettier, it is necessary to anoint it with raw egg yolk before baking is wonderful

who is not difficult to throw PLIZ on the soap a recipe book in Russian, otherwise all the links are no longer available ()

Recipe book for 450 models in Russian
🔗

malya24, here's a recipe book for you: 🔗
But Pakat is absolutely right, take the recipes on the forum in the Yeast Bread section, more good recipes in the instructions for Panasonic. Kenwood has few recipes.

Yesterday I bought the same 450 model
impressions:

By design, it has NO equal on the market of bread makers!
That only is the upper glass panel with super touch buttons
(even Bork looks somehow cheap compared to her with its platy sides and decorative aluminum !!!)
Moreover, the touch buttons do not respond to pressing, but to a simple touch of a finger!

Build quality can not be found fault (I did not find any flaws)
The bucket stands rooted to the spot and, moreover, not crookedly, but absolutely exactly to the walls
The bucket is also easy to insert and also removed
The bread pops out easily, I didn't even have to knock, and the mixer remained on the shaft (it came out of the bread easily)
When mixing, I did not notice any special noise (indeed, at the level of the refrigerator)
I didn't notice the dispenser's cannon shot either, there was just a quiet dry click and that's it.

The display is quite pleasing to the eye and the quality is excellent
Moreover, it is very informative.
And besides, it has a type of energy saving function, that is, the screen dims somewhere in half the brightness after a while. At the same time, everything is also perfectly visible on the screen.

The backlight is also good. Turns on at any time. Moreover, everything can be seen perfectly. When preparing the first bread, I observed the process probably 30 times.

I did not observe super vibrations during mixing. So the device will not fall off the table.

The lid is absolutely tight, no complaints.

I was pleased with the set of a measuring plastic spoon, with a variable volume for 1 dining room, 0.5 dining room, tea, 0.5 tea. The spoon is easy to disassemble and clean.

The measuring plastic cup did not please with the scale, too few divisions. For example 245 ml is inconvenient to measure between 225 and 250. But it doesn't matter, there are a dime a dozen of these measuring cups on the market.

The lack of a recipe book in Russian was also not encouraging. Searching the internet for this book also gave nothing. But the world is not without kind people on this site the book can be downloaded.

I was also not pleased with the situation with this model on the official Russian prototype of Kenwood. And the situation is such that the site lags behind the rest of the world. This model is very well represented on the official Ukrainian portal. With a book of recipes in Ukrainian, an excellent description, plus there is also a round bucket in the position of additional accessories !!!

Now about the first baking experience. It was late. We didn't have time to buy the scales. And so we decided to do the simplest thing. Namely, the first program. Plain white bread (500 g). All ingredients were measured exactly, except for flour. Flour needed 350 g. We measured it with a scale with which I measure the putty (+ - 50 g.)
Everything went absolutely smoothly and decorously. The bread turned out to be excellent, baked. The loaf is smooth and neat. The only top crust turned out to be not brown, but pale (not raw, but pale !!!). At the same time, this did not affect the quality of the loaf.

Baking the first loaf in my life (I have never done anything like this in my life before) is very similar, for example, to the first flight in an airplane (women will not understand me, because they have baked something in their lives). The sensations are simply enchanting, especially when you take out a loaf from a bucket, take it with your hands. At the same time, the loaf was very successful. Glows with heat. And the smell !!!

Does kenwood's bucket really peel off pretty quickly? In just a few months? And is it expensive to buy a new one?

I use it myself for several days
I would like to hear from experienced, the answer about the state of the non-stick layer with them, after the time has passed

Hello everyone.
I had 250, 350 and 450. The buckets do not peel off, the stirrers do not peel off (450 does not have it yet - the second year). You should try not to put very solid additives, for example, slightly soak dried raisins, do not use coarse salt, etc.
But for some reason at 450 from the very beginning the dough somehow sticks to the bucket and after baking some kind of plaque remains at the level of the top of the bread.
Well, I explained - I didn't understand myself).
True, I always bake without butter.

I wrote an explanation earlier
to Kenwood BM450 programmable modes,
it turned out that many do not understand.
Fixing it!
We read the updated comment
programmable modes P1 - P5.
Factory settings (default) are shown in red.
Range of changeable values ​​min. and max. blue.
1. Temperature equalization - 0 minutes (0 - 60 min.).
2. Mix 1 = 3 min. (0 - 10 min.).
3. Mix 2 = 22 minutes (0 - 30 min.).
4. Rise 1 = 20 minutes. (20 - 60 min.).
5. Mix 3 = 15 sec.
Mix 3 mode always 15 sec. and turns on if the Ascent 2 time is selected more than 0 min.
6. Rise 2 = 30 minutes. (0 - 2 hours).
7. Mix 4 = 15 sec.
Mix 4 mode always 15 sec. and turns on if the Ascent 3 time is selected more than 0 min.
8. Rise 3 = 50 minutes (0 - 2 hours).
9. Baking = 60 minutes (0 - 1h 30min.).
10. Heating = 60 minutes (0 - 60 min.).

Maximum dough rise time in Kenwood 450
is 300 minutes or 5 hours,
with two short-term boning 15 seconds each,
not affecting the final result of the rise of the dough
decisive value.

Good day everyone!
I'm a beginner, I just bought the first bread maker, Yesterday I baked the first bread. It turned out delicious. But here's what I got. When the kneading was going on, it took about 20 minutes, as I started the program, I began to watch the kolobok. And touched the start button. My program turned off and turned on again, the initial time was set again, without taking into account the fact that part of the batch has already passed. Is this how it should be, or is there something wrong with my bread maker? I didn't find anything about it in the instructions.

not in order this is when the buttons are not pressed
and this is probably a feature of the stove
I have 450 Kenwood, to be honest, I did not do such an experiment

but perhaps it was intended
once the start was pressed again, it means the restart of the program

The same thing happened today. There is a batch, I opened the door to feel the bun, again touch the start button and again the program crashes. It started all over again. But this time no more than 10 minutes passed. I decided to check if it will be the same when the bread is baked. If the program turns off and starts over, I decided to set the Baking program for the required number of minutes and bake. But the shutdown button didn't work. that is, no matter how much I pressed on it, the bread maker did not turn off until I finished the program.

how many times did I open and close the oven, nirazu did not press anything anywhere and did not touch even approximately

and the shutdown button works only by a long press (i.e. pressed and held)

the buttons are very touch sensitive (which is fantastic)
so be careful

Maybe someone knows what the words from the recipe book mean:
1.unsifted bread flour
2.not bleached bread flour
3.Not bleached white bread flour
4.Dark flour for baking bread
plus more:
5.whole grain flour
6.wallpaper flour
Otherwise, in the store I saw only the highest grade, peeled rye and bought flour with bran in "Indian spices".

: flowers: Good health to everyone! I'm getting to know you! Of course, with a reason, joy! URRRAAAAA !!! and I come to you with my stove !!! Today I took my beautiful assistant from the store! already baked the first bread in it! Happy as an elephant! Because I chose for a long time (3 weeks), and after reading, I was afraid that something would not suit me ... and .... ABOUT MIRACLE !!
* it has a snug lid.
* I did not hear the dispenser click at all, only a beeping signal.
* glass heats up, but it is not scalding.
* the bucket is easy to attach and does not dangle.
* the light turns on at will (I watched the process for about 90% of the whole process)
* there is no book with recipes in Russian, but I downloaded in Ukrainian from the site 🔗 and happy
Baked, for now, for a yeast test. And from tomorrow I will begin to adapt my starter cultures!

Carolina7, congratulations! ... Here is a book of recipes for Ken in Russian: 🔗... Although it is large, there is little real benefit in the sense of recipes, it is better to use the recipes from the site. On the 450th, pay attention to mode number 3, because of the longer duration and preliminary equalization of the temperature, it is good to use it not only for whole grain bread.

The resource was unstable at least yesterday ... It did not work yesterday evening. I specially checked from home. Well, nothing happens! There are other working links as well.
Isn't it easier to place this book on the right side of this forum under the words "new on the site", there are already recipes for other bread makers ...?

The resource was unstable at least yesterday ...
Isn't it easier to place this book on the right side of this forum under the words "new on the site", there are already recipes for other bread makers ...?

I do not know how to do this, if you tell me how, I will do it (I have time, and the traffic is unlimited).

A few words about my first experiments. Until it came to rye, but with simple wheat, this is the picture.
1. The "quick bread" program.
It says, "water or milk ... ml". Hmm, in no case should you bake only with milk on this program. It turns out a raw, unbaked brick. No more than 50 ml of milk per kilogram of bread, the rest is water!
2. Program 1. Ideally prepares lean bread, that is, if instead of dry milk add the same amount of tablespoons of flour, then we get the same thing, but without the mushy ingredients! I didn’t like the crust at the maximum level of "roasting", a bit harsh, the kids could not chew, although the crumb was super in all modes in this program. Milk would probably solve this problem, let's see if the experiments continue.

Question, dear! Does anyone know a recipe for lean yeast-free bread without a complex "5-day" sourdough, that is, does anyone have a simpler = faster sourdough recipe ???

I do not know how to do this, if you tell me how, I will do it (I have time, and the traffic is unlimited).

This is not a question for young bakers, but for a forum moderator or a "holder" of the entire site !!!
AU, you are our unattainable, the link is to the "branded" Russian recipes ARCHIACTUAL for our stove!

: o put the dough on program 11 (homemade dough), and after the last approach of the dough (110 min) it came almost to the edge ... I already rolled out my lip: now for baking and it's ready ... and she ....... uchudila boning 5 seconds I'm sitting in shock! it's good that the oven is programmable, now I set the approach for 2 hours and then baking (I took out the scapula far from sin) ... I didn't understand anything at all ... what was it ... a glitch? maybe who knows? now on this program I will forcibly turn it off 2 minutes before the end

Carolina7, despite the attractive name "home" program 11 for the test is generally problematic. For ordinary flour of the highest grade, such a duration is not needed (it will fall off by the end of the program). Someone on the site read about it in the English version of the instruction (Artisan dough), they use unbleached flour, they came to the conclusion that this is for a coarser old production at home flour mills. For a regular test, program 10 for 1 hour 30 minutes is well suited. If the dough does not fit enough, after turning off the program, leave it in the HP for half an hour or an hour, it will reach the top of the bucket. In general, try to search for something on the site to look, it seems to me that almost no one uses this program 11.

thanks an_domini! I just want to try all the programs, so I decided to use this 11 ... I was happy with it, but the ending
I will try at 10 on your advice, let's see how it will behave

[Recipes in Russian in pdf format can be downloaded here 🔗 if you still need]

I became the happy owner of such a miracle of the stove! This evening I will bake bread myself for the first time !!!

Recipes in Russian in pdf format can be downloaded here 🔗 if you still need

Congratulations! : flowers: let's learn! I've been baking for a long time, but with a stove for a couple of days
You have a very small baby, when do you have time for everything? Good luck in your endeavors

Thank you! I try to keep up when I sleep

Now I launched bread, but it seems in vain I used only rye flour. The lump of dough turned out to be very hard - the oven barely copes with the kneading
I wonder what happens now. It will be necessary to study the recipes more closely. I haven't quite figured out what kind of flour to use at all - everywhere there are 2 grades for baking bread. What is this flour? Where can you buy it in Moscow?

[Other types of flour]

Thank you! I try to keep up when I sleep

Now I launched bread, but it seems in vain I used only rye flour. The lump of dough turned out to be very hard - the oven barely copes with the kneading
I wonder what happens now. ...

Indeed, it is interesting!

From the instructions:

Other types of flour
Combined with premium wheat flour and
wholemeal flour can use others
flour varieties, for example ryeto bake
traditional bread such as pumpernickel
(Westphalian rye bread) or regular rye
bread. Even a small amount changes noticeably
taste of the product. Do not use its in its pure form,
otherwise you get a sticky dough and as a result
dense, heavy bread. Flour from other grains, and
in particular from millet, barley, buckwheat, corn and
oats, is low in protein and therefore
cannot provide enough gluten to
bake traditional bread.
Such flour can be successful apply in small
quantities. Try to replace 10-20%
premium wheat flour one of these
varieties.

Here!
Still, write, did you manage to bring what you started to the stomach ... and what are your impressions?

yes, I later found this paragraph in the instructions too
Stupid habit of not reading instructions in advance, but immediately trying to master everything by typing

The bread did not rise, it turned out hard. The crust is tasty, but the crumb is not. But now I am clearly convinced that flour can be different and you cannot thoughtlessly change one for the other in the recipe.

I found more interesting articles by Admin on the website about flour:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=4234.0

As I understand it, if you use rye, then you need 2 times more water.

Today I will try without amateur performance - I will do everything exactly according to the recipe!

And the stove, by the way, is absolutely wonderful! She was a little unlucky with the hostess. Will learn

[Darnitsa bread (by fugaska)]

Hurrah! Everything worked out!!!
Made according to the recipe from the forum:
Darnitsa bread (by fugaska)
• 1.5 tsp. dry yeast
• 150 g rye flour
• 250 g wheat flour
• 1.5 tsp. fine salt
• 1 tbsp. l. buckwheat honey (can be replaced with sugar, but it will crumble more)
• 2 tbsp. l. olive oil
• 300 ml of water room. pace.
Mix honey and butter with water, and sift the flour.
Put in a bucket according to the instructions (liquids first, then the rest)
Furnace in the first mode (basic)
If desired, you can add garlic, cheese, sausage, herbs, etc. at the sound signal of the dispenser.

The bread turned out to be wonderful. We did not let him cool down)))