Bread Maker Kenwood BM450

Recently I've been baking wheat-rye bread on program 2, n

Is this the one that is Fast Mode?

Yes, fast mode, an average loaf is baked in 2h50 min (the whole process) I forgot to say that I did not try wheat-rye with yeast, with sourdough in this mode.

the only thing that confuses in the recipe "BM450. Wheat-rye bread with an onion cube" - there are 2 tablespoons of sugar in the recipe for a 0.5 kg loaf. According to the recipe book for 1 program 0.5, white bread is baked with 2 teaspoons of sugar (measured with a measuring spoon from the oven). And here are 2 canteens. But I, of course, not special, maybe because of the rye flour you need more sugar, put it as written in the recipe https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in..._smf&topic=171106.new#new 2 tablespoons (measured again also measuring false from the stove). Let's see what happens ...

I don’t have such a recipe in my book, apparently the recipe book is being updated, I bought the stove a year and a half ago, and there may be different amounts of sugar in different recipes, maybe this bread is good because it is sweet, but smears the sugar will ferment and not feel, try and next time you will add sugar to your liking.

Love, you did not understand this recipe with 2 tablespoons of sugar not from the recipe book, but from this site, here is the link https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in..._smf&topic=171106.new#new , bread is already being baked, I'll tell you soon what happened ...

the smell is unreal) even before the end of baking for about 10 minutes and about an hour according to the recipe it should stand after baking, but everyone is already hanging around the kitchen. I don't even know, you can bake further, this is a mockery of the body

Add 2 tsp. Sahara! At 2 st. l. spoons turned out sweet garlic bread! (I had 2 Crumbs of Garlic)

Add 2 tsp. Sahara! At 2 st. l. spoons turned out sweet garlic bread! (I had 2 Crumbs of Garlic)

late,) I baked according to the recipe, but nevertheless, everything turned out delicious, sweets, like a roll, were not felt. As I understand it, sugar is needed to react with yeast, not sweets, and this amount is due to the presence of rye flour. The only thing is that the "roof" is not so raised on white bread, but probably it should be so, in other photos of rye bread I also did not see the "roofs" raised. Also, unlike just white wheat bread, this one turned out to be not so crumbly, here is a photo

Hello! Here is such a delicious and beautiful bread!

choose between Panasonic 2502 and Kenwood bm 450.
owners, tell me, is the convection mode really good? touch buttons have always been alarming, how are they to you? do not fail?
where you can find detailed instructions. I found it to Panasonic, I can not go to Kenwood. (

[tell me, is the convection mode really good?]

choose between Panasonic 2502 and Kenwood bm 450.
owners, tell me, is the convection mode really good? touch buttons have always been alarming, how are they to you? do not fail?
where you can find detailed instructions... I found it to Panasonic, to kenwood I can not. (

Instruction
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Convection at work is simply not noticed, it works and works.
And what do you cycle on it?
The touch buttons work, but during the work of the HP, you do not need to walk on them, as well as on the usual buttons too.
And it is not useful to wave a broom over them.

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Convection at work is simply not noticed, it works and works.
And what do you cycle on it?
The touch buttons work, but during the work of the HP, you do not need to walk on them, as well as on the usual buttons too.
And it is not useful to wave a broom over them.

I have an oven with convection, a very good thing, it halves the baking time, I wanted to know is this function also good in HP?
but the fact that you can't wave is bad))

[Kenwood convection, just a necessity]

I have an oven with convection, a very good thing, it halves the baking time, I wanted to know is this function also good in HP?
but the fact that you can't wave is bad))

Kenwood convection, just a necessity
for uniform heating and baking of bread throughout the entire volume,
especially the crusts on top and nothing accelerates convection in this case.
For many HP models, the top of the bread is not baked enough,
this is especially critical when there is a viewing window.
Lid at Kenwood 450 glass, so convection appeared.
Without it, the top of the bread will simply not be baked!
The main advantage of the Kenwood 450 is in programming,
which sometimes outweighs when choosing HP
compared to the quiet Panasonic, for example.
Who once tasted the opportunity to program
and adjust the program to your recipe,
does not want to go back to simple HP.

choose between Panasonic 2502 and Kenwood bm 450.
owners, tell me, is the convection mode really good? touch buttons have always been alarming, how are they to you? do not fail?
where you can find detailed instructions. I found it to Panasonic, I can not go to Kenwood. (

I have Kenwood, I really like it, the recipe book is not bad, but my sister bought herself the latest Panasonic model, I helped her learn what I didn't like, the automatic yeast dispenser seemed superfluous, a very long baking process, I have French for three and a half hours , in Panasonic six, all programs are very long in time, almost all preheating, as a rule, I put all the products at room temperature and I do not need it, and this is additional time. Plus Panasonic works almost silently, Kenwood works loudly. At the exit, the bread is absolutely the same, that I have for three and a half hours, that for her for six, we bake according to the same recipes.

I have Kenwood, I really like it, the recipe book is not bad, but my sister bought herself the latest Panasonic model, I helped her learn what I didn't like, the automatic yeast dispenser seemed superfluous, a very long baking process, I have French for three and a half hours , in Panasonic six, all programs are very long in time, almost all preheating, as a rule, I put all the products at room temperature and I do not need it, and this is additional time. Plus Panasonic works almost silently, Kenwood works loudly. At the exit, the bread is absolutely the same, that I have for three and a half hours, that for her for six, we bake according to the same recipes.

Well I say, thanks to convection it bakes faster
What is your Kenwood model?
I would like a BM 450 but without touch buttons, with the usual ones.) Is there one where to look?

I have a Kenwood 450, I was looking for a stove with touch buttons, a dispenser, convection, all this is in this stove, and touch buttons are very convenient, flour can get under the buttons, and just dust, but here I wiped the glass and order. As I already wrote, this stove has one drawback - it is noisy, but it does not bother me, if I put the timer on the timer at night and close the kitchen door, and during the day it does not bother me at all.

[Well I say, thanks to convection it bakes faster]

Well I say, thanks to convection it bakes faster
What is your Kenwood model?
I would like a BM 450 but without touch buttons, with the usual ones.) Is there one where to look?

The baking time of these bread machines is within 60 minutes,
as with everyone else,
but the pepper is clear - because of convection in Kenwood it bakes faster.
Doesn't sound like stupidity in this case, by chance?
You have already been answered above why convection is in this model,
and when a person does not want to hear, he does not hear!

[Kenwood convection, just a forced necessity]

Kenwood convection, just a forced necessity
for uniform heating and baking of bread throughout the entire volume,
especially the crusts on top and nothing accelerates convection in this case.
For many HP models, the top of the bread is not baked enough,
this is especially critical when there is a viewing window.
Lid at Kenwood 450 glass, so convection appeared.
Without it, the top of the bread will simply not be baked!
The main advantage of the Kenwood 450 is in programming,
which sometimes outweighs when choosing HP
compared to the quiet Panasonic, for example.
Who once tasted the opportunity to program
and adjust the program to your recipe,
does not want to go back to simple HP.

I am very pleased with the Kenwood BM450 bread maker !!! Bakes great bread !!! : girl_dough: We also bought a round bucket for the bread maker.

[In the summer, we also bought a Delonghi EOB 2071 electric furnace]

I am very pleased with the Kenwood BM450 bread maker !!! Bakes great bread !!! : girl_dough: We also bought a round bucket for the bread maker. In the summer, we also bought a Delonghi EOB 2071 electric furnace... Bakes bread in both oven and convection mode. : pek: Here's a forum, read it.
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...on=com_smf&topic=143917.0

They would shoot a movie of kneading this rye dough - Rye custard bread is real (almost forgotten taste). Baking methods and additives. in Delonghi EOB 2071, there would be no price!

I wanted to bake something else on the stove), otherwise everything is 1 and 1.
Share your experience, who baked wheat-rye bread on 1 program https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=171106.new#new? It's just that I saw everywhere that it seemed necessary to manually program there. And what kind of rye flour is needed, the most common, does it go without varieties (wheat, for example, with varieties)?

I bake wheat-rye bread on program 1 all the time. Using the scientific method, after going through different recipes for this type of bread on the forum and taking into account the taste preferences of my family, I wrote down such a recipe. It turns out a loaf of about 700 grams.
Water-300ml
Vegetable oil-2 tbsp. l.
Wheat flour 1 grade-350 g
Peeled rye flour-100g
sugar-1 tbsp. l
salt -1 tsp
dry yeast Saf-moment-1 tsp.
I expose a 750g loaf for 1 program on a medium crust. To my taste, the bread reminds me of the one that in childhood was in stores for 15 kopecks.
Standard teaspoons and tablespoons (5 ml and 15 ml), I do not use a measuring spoon from the oven, I weigh the weight of flour by email. scales.
The result is always the same.

From the recipe book when baked, it seemed to me that very good. a lot of sugar and salt to taste, if you use our standard teaspoons 5 ml and 15 ml tablespoons for measuring. Some kind of sweet-salty bread turned out. Yesterday I measured a measuring spoon from the oven and found that the volume there is completely different (almost 2 times less) than our standard spoons.

Hello. We bought this bread maker for my mother as a gift, in the end I made the bread myself, because she thought she would do something wrong. We made the first bread (Sweet) - it turned out great, we decided to make it with bran and nuts for 1 kg before going to bed, the kneading was done, the process of raising the dough began, then again a little kneading. We approach 20 minutes after that, and the display is reset to 3:15 (the first program). Nobody pressed anything, the light did not turn off. Who had this?

Good day everyone! I thought of buying a KENWOOD VM 450 bread maker.
Does it consume a lot of electricity and will energy bills increase significantly if you bake bread every day?
And why does someone have a round loaf, and someone has a rectangular one, because the model is the same?

Good day everyone! I thought of buying a KENWOOD VM 450 bread maker.
Does it consume a lot of electricity and will energy bills increase significantly if you bake bread every day?
And why does someone have a round loaf, and someone has a rectangular one, because the model is the same?

For this model, people somewhere buy round forms for Easter cake, and in the oven itself the bucket is slightly rectangular.
As for the consumption of electricity, I have not yet understood how much the increase will be, I use the stove for less than a month, I bake a loaf every other day, and on Saturday-Sunday at once -4 (treat all the grandmothers so that), in total it turns out 6-7 loaves per week. The husband said that if the oven power is 780 W, and despite the fact that it directly bakes for only 45 minutes + kneading for 30 minutes (here the consumption is less), then no more than 1 kW of electricity is consumed per loaf in any case.
That is, about 25-30 kW per month will be a plus. We have 1 kW costs 1.50 (with el.slabs). The total is + 38-45 rubles per month. I will definitely survive it. Moreover, the cost of bread is 2 times less than store bread that we used to buy.

A product, round buckets sometimes go as a gift for a bread maker, I saw it in Mediamarkt and in some other store, you can also order it in a service center.

I forgot to insert the kneading knife, 10 minutes passed, I turned off the stove, took out a bucket, inserted the knife, waited 10 minutes, since the VM450 has a function to continue in case of a power outage for 8 minutes. I wanted to start baking again, but nothing ((the stove remembers and continues to knead from 3 hours 10 minutes, instead of 3 hours 20 minutes starting ... How to reset programs, is there such a button?)

I forgot to insert the kneading knife, 10 minutes passed, I turned off the stove, took out the bucket, inserted the knife, waited 10 minutes, since the VM450 has a function to continue in case of a power outage for 8 minutes. I wanted to start baking again, but nothing ((the stove remembers and continues to knead from 3 hours 10 minutes, instead of 3 hours 20 minutes starting ... How to reset programs, is there such a button?)

Aha! There is such a button!
Start / Stop is called.
We hold for 3 seconds and everything is reset.
And we read the instructions,
when the rest or others do not help.

Yes, everything is correct - press and hold the START / STOP button until the display clears (about 3-4 seconds), then install the program - and go!

you probably edited the previous post, it was not written about the reset. And in the instructions I did not find anything about the reset, thanks

you probably edited the previous post, it was not written about the reset. And in the instructions I did not find anything about the reset, thanks

In the instructions on page 8 - the lower right paragraph. Good luck!

probably we have different instructions, I have on page 8 it says "... favorite program ...", etc.

By pressing the START / STOP button, the previous program will be canceled and you can program it again. Only such a solution to the problem.

[please give advice !!!!!]

COMRADE BAKERY OWNERS KENWOOD 450 please give advice !!!!!
I am considering the possibility of purchasing this bread machine.
Should you buy?
Write the pros and cons I WILL BE Very Grateful!

[And the main thing I'm interested in is whether it is possible to change the settling and baking time on my own?]

Of course it's worth it !!!! Don't even hesitate!

Is everything ok with the buckets?
And you can bake everything both white and black and with raisins?

And the main thing I'm interested in is whether it is possible to change the settling and baking time on my own?

Maruska, read the previous page, there are answers to your questions, but in short, you can bake different breads, this oven has a favorite program with which you can program, there is no such program in other ovens.

A couple of days ago we bought HP Kenwood450 an excellent stove already baked white bread, black bread with herbs ((ready-mix), French, all the bread turned out great

Friends!

I bought this miracle from my hands. I would like to clarify from the respected owners of the forum: all modes for ordinary bread work perfectly. But the modes with "preheating" - not really. For example mode "3", the first is "preheating - 30 min". The indicator lights up (on the display - the symbol at the very top left), the watch counts down for 30 minutes, and the spiral does not heat. Is it correct or carry it for repair? You can check? To do this, just turn on the bread maker without a bucket in mode "3" and check the heating of the spiral. If there is heating, then I will drag mine to the service. If not, I will try other recipes ... Well, it's a shame just - yesterday they baked the same white as on the sticker on the bread maker - one to one (the first recipe from the recipe book is an egg one), the beauty is simple, lovely sight! And then they tried the recipe with the bran - it didn't fit at all. So I think - either the recipe is not the same, or the "grenades of the wrong system" ...

Thanks in advance!

I do not use programs with preheating at all, I put food at room temperature and why should I heat them.Sister Panasonic, there are almost all the programs with preheating, the baking time increases, and the bread is the same as mine without warming up, but now she turned on the oven and while writing it is heating, while the ten is cold, no result in five minutes, I can assume that the preliminary warming up occurs simply at room temperature. I baked with bran, it turned out fine, but I didn't like the bread itself, I regularly bake wheat-rye on the 2nd program.

For me, too, the spiral does not heat, probably it should be so. Maybe I got it wrong with the recipe ... From bran, my bread becomes damp, it is necessary to reduce the amount.

Try it, everything will work out, the oven is excellent and there are no problems with baking, I have been baking for almost two years, there were jambs, but it was my fault, I forgot to put yeast last week, I took the recipes on the forum and everything worked out the first time, I use the main one. , 2,5,10,14 programs.

Try it, everything will work out, the oven is excellent and there are no problems with baking, I have been baking for almost two years, there were jambs, but it was my fault, I forgot to put yeast last week, I took the recipes on the forum and everything worked out the first time, I use the main one. , 2,5,10,14 programs.

Yes, to the stove - no questions. Eat to the bucket - it staggers, probably or I will change the bucket (the mount is loose, worn out protrusions). And the knife also hangs on the shaft, free rotation of 15-20 degrees. But I read that I am not alone in this - many have similar problems. Yesterday we baked rye-wheat bread - it turned out supero. But, like all rye, the top collapsed during the baking process. Was she so cool ... CHYADNT?

Does the bucket dangle during work? The knife should not sit tightly on the shaft, when I found this, I also decided that the hole on the knife was erased, and when I bought the stove for my sister, they found that in Panasonic the same backlash was also reviewed and the stoves of different manufacturers were reviewed, everything that was on the window was for everyone the same, because do not worry. Rye bread does not always sit down, only when it is over, you can reduce the amount of yeast, or maybe the dough is liquid, add flour or reduce the liquid.

Good day!

Bought a Kenwood BM450 for the new year! Long time to choose, choose, in the end we settled on this model :-)
The first bread was already baked - we used the recipe that came with the package - everything is fine, we were even surprised what happened the first time :-)
Yesterday we tried to bake "Brioche" buns - they also turned out, delicious, everything is fine, but there is some trouble in the operation of the device - during operation, either static electricity accumulates, or something else, but the body of the bread machine gives a little electric shock. The "impact" is very weak and does not appear when you touch the body again, only after some time. It seems like a trifle, but scary and unpleasant.

Tell me please, is this a marriage or a similar syndrome occurs?

Good day!

Bought a Kenwood BM450 for the new year! Long time to choose, choose, in the end we settled on this model :-)
The first bread was already baked - we used the recipe that came with the package - everything is fine, we were even surprised what happened the first time :-)
Yesterday we tried to bake Brioche buns - they also turned out, delicious, everything is fine, but there is some trouble in the operation of the device - during operation, either static electricity accumulates, or something else, but the body of the bread machine gives a little electric shock. The "impact" is very weak and does not appear when you touch the body again, only after some time. It seems like a trifle, but scary and unpleasant.

Tell me please, is this a marriage or a similar syndrome occurs?

I think marriage. It doesn't hit me, although sometimes in the summer my car hits me, but by the way, not only it. And I am constantly beaten like that at the Buffet in Yalta. Terribly unpleasant. And as for the stove, I think you need to change it, well, it shouldn't be shocked. Or ground it.

It hits me very weakly, when you touch it again, it probably does not hit static electricity

Static electricity may accumulate on your clothes and lightly hit when touched, but static electricity does not accumulate on metal, and our metal stove usually accumulates on plastic, well, the socket must be grounded. Once my washing machine was shocked, and when my husband disassembled the outlet, it turned out to be without grounding, the builders cheated, grounded and the problem disappeared.

We have been using the bread maker for almost three years. We chose between Kenwood and Panassonic. Because of the opportunity to buy a round bucket and lights, we stopped at Kenwood. A round bucket was ordered at a service center in Kiev, I bake cakes in it. The native bucket was out of order after a little over a year. Bought in the same place as the round. For the first time they baked bread in a day or two, now less often.
It mixes a little noisily (compared to Panass - bought my sister as a gift, saw it at work) and the dispenser is very loud. In Panssonica, I liked the fact that she was kneading the dough on dumplings, dumplings. I also tried it here, but perhaps because of the heating during kneading - the dough floats, although the flour is excellent. Maybe because the dough is steep on dumplings, the shaft loosened in the bucket. It's hard to interfere, probably, if the function is not provided, or maybe I'm wrong.
The rye husband bakes according to the recipe "Ukrainian bread" that was sent from the "Empire of bread" online store. There I ordered gluten, a mixture for making Borodino bread, malt, etc. We add gluten when baking rye-wheat, it always turns out very beautiful.
I'm happy with the stove, it bakes great!

we, too, are now happy owners of this stove! While we are mastering simple programs. We were given a color book in the store with recipes for this model, they made a white egg from it)) Darnitsky (from Fugaski), he was the first! Great bread. Only my husband is dissatisfied with the taste, he says it looks like dry oatmeal, this is probably due to rye flour ?? and yesterday we made a cake on program 8, delicious !!! thanks forum
ps pictures I can not insert ((

Please tell me: is it possible to knead dough on dumplings, noodles in this oven? I read the instructions, I did not find it. Mrzhet can be programmed?

Please tell me: is it possible to knead dough on dumplings, noodles in this oven? I read the instructions, I did not find it. Mrzhet can be programmed?

You can program your favorite, or you can make dough on the program.