Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502, SD-2510, SD-2511, SD-2512 ... (4)

[mamusi, Ritochka]

mamusi, Ritochka, yes, he looks like a cake, only I dropped the first one and my roof was generally flattened, and the second, already heavily altered recipe, and the next day his bottom and sides were compacted, I don't know how to explain ... and not take a picture - no longer I sometimes have bread like this with curd baked goods

About the effect of salt on the rise of the dough. It can be assumed that a chemical reagent, an anti-caking agent, can influence. It is added to expensive salt, powdered milk and cream, soluble cocoa in supposedly safe doses, some hundredths or thousandths of a percent to the total mass of the product. I read that it is still harmful, so I stopped buying even easily soluble cocoa, well, and replaced the extra salt with cheap ordinary gray rock salt.

it is useless to guess. Any mineral additives can be in sea salt. Perhaps even harmless and useful for us, but somehow affecting gluten. For example, making it too elastic, or vice versa relaxing to the point of disgrace.
Or maybe the additive has weakened the yeast.
The composition of the salt is needed and then we can assume something, although this will not save the bread.
I don't like the anti-caking agent myself, but I like fine salt. It got into the bread and I didn't seem to see the total consequences.
Although anti-caking agents may be different.
Since there is no box with the composition, we will not guess anything.

Whenever you don't come to see you, you will definitely learn something new ... I hear about anti-caking agents for the first time ... ... and it's very interesting about salt ... apparently you will have to say goodbye to small ones and buy large gray ones ...
Thank you all for the smart advice, if possible I will look to you from my phone

I was baked, at the request of my husband, at night, on the "diet bread" mode like this funny, relief bread.

Incision

Baked according to the converted milk bread recipe

260ml milk
320g wheat flour, 1st grade
80g flour, 2nd grade
1h l. salt
1 st. l. honey
1.5 tbsp. l. flax seed
1.5 tbsp. l. rye bran
30g a little dried arugula
15g of dried lovage
1h l. instant yeast, I have Pacmaia
The arugula is felt well, the bread is quite dense, but not clogged, the pores are not large, there is almost no rubberiness, but also not brittle, the crust is crispy. For bread made from flour not of the highest grade, and even with bran, it should be so. Greens, moreover, greatly burden the kneading process, hence the "brutal" form. It's easy to use on sandwiches, otherwise French fig you can't even smear it with oil - it crumples just like that.

[Buttercup]

Buttercup, a miracle loaf turned out. Doesn't it taste bitter because of arugula?

[Intmagazin]

Intmagazin manager discourages Panasonic and advises Italian Beroti, motivating that it is inside

People ... "I was laughing so hard right now !!!" (from)

I am rereading Temko I had to find something. I'm already tired and I don't think well ...
And I come across this Post from our Thumbelina. I stupidly reread 3 times ... And only then I realize that Intmagazin ~ this is NOT IntimacyShop, and the InternetScore!!!

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, there is no bitterness, but what should be ?! In general, I do not like arugula, from the word at all, but since I baked bread by the order of my husband and just tried the crust, I decided to pamper him, he loves arugula very much. In order for both to eat salads, I never crumble arugula into a salad, but put a bunch of arugula next to a plate, yesterday this bunch was lying on the table after dinner and I utilized it in bread.
Now I baked a pizza in a prince, a recipe from Panasik on VS flour, I replaced the water with "baled" milk. I'll take the photo right now in the topic of pizza ovens

at the request of her husband, at night, on the "diet bread" mode, here is such a funny, relief bread.

Handsome ~ Curly Pancho Gingerbread man.
Korochchchka, I suppose, crunchy! Yum ...

Take 2 ... 3 minutes, please!
We urgently need to help our Marina!
More than one person has already been saved.

[Wit]

Wit, Here you are, that brought the ad.
In the morning I have already visited that Temko.
I didn’t think of it .... do as you do!
Guys, all over the world ...

["Do not withhold good from those who need it when your hand is able to do it."]

It doesn't matter who God works through. It is important what everyone who knows will do!

"Do not withhold good from those who need it when your hand is able to do it."
Bible (Proverbs 3:27)

[Wit]

Wit, mamusi, Waist, Marinochka is our cat lady, because until today none of us, cat owners, had any idea about her problems, what strong and patient people we have.

[Natalia]

Bread is raised by yeast, salt has a depressing effect on yeast. Or, like Uncle Sema's, it completely ruins them.

Natalia, thanks for the explanation, now I will know what else could be the matter if the bread does not rise. I use rock salt (grind number 1), I don't always look at the manufacturer, and so far there have been no punctures. True, I always put very little salt - we do not like salty.

I probably already tortured everyone with my experiences with Panasik, but I am so happy to work with him, I want to share with you

Buttercup, Lyudmila, please continue torturing us. For me, your experiences are very interesting and useful.

[TanyaKotya]

TanyaKotya, well, I'm trying, it's hard to stop me now in baking, "how you can't stop a running bison, how you can't stop a singing Kobzon" Panasik liked it so much that it's even scary, he works for me 2-3 times a day, today I managed to bake bread at night, knead the dough for pizza and I also want to make a pie with rhubarb, I will knead the dough again in Panasika
this one here:

Pie with rhubarb (rabarbar) "Latvian" (step by step) (Angella)

I'm hard to stop in baking right now

Well, okay. My stove so far only works once a day, and I bake (again for now) strictly according to the recipes from the instructions, only I add less water. Here I will study all kinds of "instructing", study my assistant, then I will not be stopped either.
Thank you for the link, we have rhubarb, if it appears, then only in August. That's when the recipe comes in handy.

Ps. Thanks for the HIGH Confidence.

So it started. Great shamanism as a concentrated result of previously accumulated experience.

But in general support and approve (c), because he himself is quite capable of doing this by deceiving programs.

[Mandraik Ludmila]

Mandraik Ludmila, Lyudochka, Natasha, girls and boys, hello everyone!
I'm finally bringing a photo of my Curd Bread.

Bread with cottage cheese (bread maker) (savana)

Delicious unsweetened, not too rich, but soft, springy, 4th day non-hardening Bread.

Bread from Sonadory, with the use of cottage cheese, which I love very much and often bake for me is more like a loaf ~ it is, in fact, a loaf (egg, sugar, butter), and this is exactly Bread.
The photo shows a bun - it was soft, smeared with. the bottom. And the "chubby" bread with a curly roof ~ apparently the result of replacing water with whey. My gag ~ as always ~ Pre-mix on Dumplings also played a role! Live yeast Lux roamed freely!
Judge for yourself...

Rita, thanks for your results!

Girls, hello! My Panasik has been working since the morning. First I kneaded the dough for these pies from Omela

"Morning" pies (Omela)

Now Natasha's Khlebushek Daily bakes (the husband has arrived home ~ it's time for Natasha's "main bread" to bake)))
He cannot live without it.
(Fugaskin Darnitsky baked ~ the second "in importance" yesterday evening.)
Here I show off with pies, if anyone is interested! "Morning" patties # 325

Egg from the book



How glad I am this stove

[mamusi]

mamusi, such appetizing pies, I just wanted to right away ... but for now I won't, there is already a lot of flour in the house. You are smart!
I was in the city, they took the old HP radish there, tried to bake it on the French bread recipe from Panasik on the French bread radish mode, in general, it was not the same "calico", it even tastes different, that's how it can be After all, the recipe is one to one survived, the program is certainly not the same, I followed all the stages and before baking on the program, I had to turn it off, let it stand still, and then manually put it on baking. The bread turned out to be much lower, by 1.5 times and it tasted well, it’s not that at all ... I don’t understand anything I want my son to bake a delicious bread, but it turns out an ordinary loaf in that radish

[Thumbelina]

Thumbelina, Olya! Cool Bread!
Exhibition copy!

The bread turned out to be much lower, by 1.5 times and it tasted well, it’s not that at all ... I don’t understand anything I want my son to bake a delicious bread, but it turns out an ordinary loaf in that radish

Luda, what a pity! Our Panasik ~ Umnichka!

Baking from flour A French thing, it often appears in the next five!
Loaf L, probably if you knead the maximum, then the stove cover will open

[Olga]

Loaf L, probably if you knead the maximum, then the stove cover will open

Olga, definitely I have a "French thing" postponed specifically for French bread. But I want to compare it with V. Limakov. c., bake two in a row, changing only flour

[Ritusik]

Hello girls and boys. You have here, as always, continuous seduction for the eye, I am already silent about the belly
a Ritusik and runs into an uninvited guest by pies

Luda, and the point is not the recipe, there are other fermentation temperatures. If you have a programmable multi-baker, then you should try on it. French in our Panasica is kneaded no higher than 28 degrees dough in winter and ferments at 26 degrees. The lowest temperature mode and very long.
And in other stoves, in general, everything just starts from 30 degrees of heating, fermentation at 32-35 happens - generally tin, the last workout in half an hour. What they can think of to keep the bread low. And in our French it is a very gentle kneading, pay attention, but in other ovens the dough can be very pounding.
Therefore, a multibaker is needed. Correct mixing time and temperature.

[ALL]

runs into an uninvited guest for pies

what are you, Len, you ALL welcome guests ~ I even call my recipes that way ... "For friends from Temka Bread Maker 2500 ...., .... "

[Lena]

Lena, there is no multi-cook in the radish, it turns out that you can only try it manually, rise without heating, in a regular bowl for fermenting the dough

[Ritusik]

Ritusik, thank you. You are all so creatively tasty, lovely.

Luda, it is unpleasant for me to upset, but if the radish sausages the dough and heats it up a lot, and then the fermentation temperature is also high, then, alas, only the handles remain.
Before Panasonic I had a budget Ericsson, there, too, well, nothing could be thought of. Only to use it at the initial stage as a kneader - it's better than handles anyway, but I kneaded the dough in cool water, it still warmed up towards the end. And then I fermented it by hand.
Such budget hot ovens normally make butter dough, where butter, cream, milk, eggs.
And pure bread, like French, for me, too, turn out to be tasteless. And I didn’t think of anything but how to change the stove.

At my top, the top is always white and soft. I covered it with foil and towels - nothing helped. If the technique is bad, well, I will say softer - it does not satisfy desires, then even dancing with tambourines does not give a special effect.

Try to study all the programs in a radish with a thermometer. Maybe there is some more or less hot. Then you can do everything on it, launching it there several times. Suddenly you are lucky, you have not studied all the resources of the stove.

[Lena]

Lena, I can’t pull it, I need to buy a panasik for my mom, and I’m not going to go to town. I’m trying to catch discounts for my mother, suddenly they will throw them off again in the M-video, we’ll wait with my mother for now. Now I bake her bread 2 times a week, I give it to her when she is at the dacha.
You can also try it in a Boshevsky combine at low speed ...There are options, but it's not an option with my hands, I can't knead with handles for more than 3-4 minutes. It's a pity to throw out this radish and it's not clear how to use it. Arrange dances with tambourines again.
But my first Mystery, she baked well, she made such cool pure rye for me, it doesn't work on Panasika yet ... But I'm getting closer to the desired result, I baked almost according to the rye recipe "almost Westphalian", but I began to slowly dough for myself adjust, last night I added a little water during the kneading process, and reduced the yeast to 1 tsp. The result pleased my husband and me:

I took my 253 on Avito and am not going to change it. Old stoves cost a penny, and people on a diet often drop almost new ones. Here I have the entire minimum gentleman's set of wheat breads and a rye program.

[Lena]

Lena, a good idea, I'll think about it

I am always a supporter of new and sophisticated, if a big family and love to cook. Of course, I'll always lick my lips on the most sophisticated panasik.
BUT: if there are few people, or even just one person who will not be engaged in delights on wheat bread every day, but rye is more interesting to him, and you need to save money, then the old models are no worse. It's just that there are fewer programs.

Even the first model of the bucket cover on my 253 is of excellent quality, if you don't tear with pieces of iron.
And, starting from 257, in my opinion, a bucket with a new coating, and the stoves are considered old.

And in my 253 - the Italian regime, it is no longer in Russian models.

And I would not take xp on Avito, who knows how it was exploited.

And I also bought on Avito, 2501, I wanted to get used to it, and the new one is too expensive, as a result, I can't imagine my life now without it)). And bought 4 thousand last summer.

I would not risk it, better on credit but new

[Thumbelina]

Thumbelina, no, no credits! In our family, as a rule, we do not take loans! If you can pay off a loan every month, then you can save a small amount every month and buy later, but with your own!
I bought a princess on Avita for 1tyr and a redmond airfryer cover for 500 rubles - I'm happy as a hundred Chinese
Ipekla late yesterday evening bread on the program "dietary with raisins" according to the converted recipe "bread with olives", size L, medium crust

serum 320g (weighed on a scale, not ml)
salt 1 tsp l.
honey 1st. l.
powdered milk 1.5 tbsp. l.
wheat flour c. c.200gr
wheat flour h. 100gr
rye flour 100g
oregano 1 tbsp. l.
butter 15g
yeast (I have instant pacmaya) 1.5 h. l.
instead of olives, emmentaler cheese granules 50g.

It turned out to be tall - under the lid, delicious, with a cheese aroma, oregano is very weak. My Ryzhulka (kosha), after the Panasik appeared in our country, became interested in bread, before that she only ate food and sometimes licked honey, and now she revives a lot if she smells bread and does not calm down until she eats a few crumbs

Here on our forum appeared

I sell the Panasonic SD-ZB2502 bread maker

Natalia, this is Moscow, "does not send anywhere." Then I already saw cheaper on Avita, while I decide which one to take home to the city, instead of radish

I rarely take the same, out of desire, my husband closes them in the next month

so you can save a small amount every month

This is everyone's business, but for now you put it off and sit without a stove. otherwise they would please themselves

sometimes we just don’t have loans in our foreign countries. I don't mean a bread maker, other more serious purchases

In fact, the bread is sooo cool !!! just maybe I'll bake the same today.

about Avito

There is always a chance to run into marriage or fraudsters. But there is more decency in this world. People on Avito in most cases say why they are selling, new or old. They invite you to see and touch. They leave their phones and are not eager to be cursed later.
Therefore, I do not argue, there is a chance to run into a liar, but it is not as great as it seems.
If people sell a stove that has stood idle for years, and baked goods are not particularly favored in the house, then such a stove is like new.

I took my stove and harvester to Avito. I took the combine without looking at all, from another city, it was a painfully good discount. I also tried to persuade the man to agree.He wrote to me: they'll be beaten on the way, and you'll think of me.
I made sure that the shipping company packed properly.

Therefore, it is difficult to advise, because now I will advertise, and the person will run into a swindler. But personally, I have the best impressions.

On business: oh and beauty, that crust, that slices. I want this.

I bought two bread machines on Avito, for myself and my relatives. Both were in perfect condition as new. The price was three times lower than the new one.
You can always ask to turn it on and check if it interferes and heats up. I have never been denied this. And then looking inside you can always see if the stove was used and for how long.

At the beginning of June, I bought the 2501st model for 4000 rubles according to the ad. The stove is practically new (everything inside is clean, no scratches). The sales girl bought Panasonic a long time ago, baked bread a couple of times and abandoned it. In her presence, we checked the HP for performance, and now I delight the family with homemade breads according to the recipes from the instructions. Everything works out great. I begin to prepare for experiments.

Again I study the materiel, I need to decide what to buy for mom, she 2511 is redundant, she and dad do not eat rye bread, and with the addition of rye flour you can bake on a dietary mode, on Avita Panasik2500 (without any dispensers) it costs around 6tyr , in principle, 2501 is also worth it with a dispenser for additives, it remains to persuade mom to take it from Avita, she is still aiming at a new one, but you won't find these new ones, and it's expensive

on avita panasik2500 (without any dispensers) in the region of 6tyr costs, in principle 2501 also stands with a dispenser for additives

2500 can be found cheaper, there are 4000-4500, you just need to monitor. You can write to the seller and bargain, often throw off. They threw me a thousand.

I continue to maniac Tonight Panasik baked bread with cheese and bacon, I naturally altered the recipe a little

serum 260ml
salt 1 tsp
honey 1 tbsp
growing olive oil 1 tablespoon
flour 300gr
flour 2 grade 100g
yeast 1.25 tsp
bacon cut into small cubes 50g
diced cheese 80g
green onion slightly wilted, chopped 20g

I did it for my husband to travel to the city to work, so I made bread more satisfying, put more cheese, added a green onion, replaced 100g flour with grade 2, in this regard, slightly increased the amount of yeast. Size M, light crust.
It turned out tasty, oh-oh, fragrant, the bread is tall, plump, soft, rubbery ... horror, you can't bake so tasty, it's no food restrictions and the beds do not help

This is the cut:


And this is for a macro crumb:

[Buttercup]

Buttercup, indecent beauty!

[Vika]

Vikawhen I cut it almost to the middle, the beauty became even more terrible, I could not resist, I made a photo session for this handsome man, interspersed almost a traffic light: red (pink) - bacon, yellow - cheese, green - onion feather

Below you can see the mark from the scapula


and another macro:

I just trudge from the crumb structure that is obtained in Panasik
With my radish, I still sinned on myself, and now I realized, no, everything is fine with me, this radish is a hack.

By the way, in general, I don’t know if I did the right thing, but succumbing to an impulse, I bought a Panasik 2511 for 4.5tyr on Avita, which is embarrassing - there are no documents and shovels, but the shovels are not a problem, we will buy, I know where ... But the lack of documents brings thoughts ... not good ... I didn’t take it myself, the location was not convenient (next to Pushkin), my friend’s husband drove, he had to pass by on the way to work ... he checked it on the spot, on the prog pizza - the engine immediately starts to twist, works, then when it comes to me I will use

[So]

I bought a Panasik 2511 on Avita for 4.5tyr, which is embarrassing - there are no documents and spades, but the spades are not a problem, we will buy, I know where ..

People, do not be afraid !!!) Everything will be okay. You will see!
And the money is adequate for such a situation ... I So think (s) ...

I made a photo session for this handsome man, interspersed with almost a traffic light: red (pink) - bacon, yellow - cheese, green - onion feather

Great photo session!

[Mandraik Ludmila]

Mandraik Ludmila, Luda, when was the HP done? If there are no blades, did they not bake in it?

[mamusi]

mamusi, $ vetLana, girls, I have not seen it myself, only pictures on Avita, the seller says that the stove is completely new.But it was not I who took it and my friend's husband did not ask additional questions, they have no HP at all, so there is no experience and it is difficult to ask something, but I haven’t seen Panasik yet, and I don’t know when he will reach me, after all, we are in the village, and the guys live in the city, as they come to visit us, they will bring it.