Sedne
Mandraik Ludmila, when you buy shovels you will be more careful with a shovel for rye bread, I bought it so it does not fit, for wheat it fits perfectly, but not for rye. Yes, I didn't buy at a service center. If you buy from the officials, then everything will be fine, but also 3 times more expensive.
mamusi
It seems to me people didn't use it. Perhaps we moved. We put the shoulder blades in a bag with documents. Why ~ then (sometimes they put small details like that) ... and then lost. They hurt somewhere. Call again, Lyudochka, with them and ask that if they find, they will call back. But what if?
Mandraik Ludmila
Yes, girls I will
Mirabel
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from the structure of the crumb, which is obtained in Panasika
Oh yes yes yes!!! not a single bread machine that I had before Panas could do this.
What kind of cheese was added?
By the way, I didn't have any blades .. although I bought a new stove and still scold myself for not buying her an assistant at the bazaar ... they sold the Russian version of the Panasov so cheaply

Mandraik Ludmila
Vika, I have two varieties of cheese: Parmesan 50g and 30g light "1000ozer". Only everything Russian is clear and this Parmesan was rather soft ... When we drove into the shops on Sunday evening, there was almost no choice, they bought more decently from what was left, so the cheese still melted, and good Parmesan would have remained cubes, I've tried before




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I didn't have any shoulder blades
Vika, are we talking about mixers? My one who has not arrived yet has no kneading paddles.

mamusi
Hi people!)
Ludaaaa, beauty!
Mandraik Ludmila
Panasik reached me. Ritochka, everything is as you suggested, a family of military personnel, during the move they lost everything from HP, only the unit itself with a bucket remained. The oven has been used at least once, there are no scratches on the bottom, but you can see ... For a test, I inserted my bucket into it and baked milk bread in Basic mode, a recipe from my instruction book, size M, light crust:
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Delicious, beautiful, as usual
Ritochka, thank you dear!
mamusi
Well, Luda, you have two shoulder blades
So you will bake ~ in one rye, in the other white.
Or convenient ~ while the rye is baking the dough ns pies or knead pizza into another.
It happens to me ... Put the dough, and the HP is busy ...
Mandraik Ludmila
Ritochka, I will buy scoops, we have a Juno market not far from the city apartment, everything is there!
I bought this stove for the city, my mother still wants a simpler model
Waist
Buttercup, Congratulations! Nice shopping! Buy a spatula, measuring spoons for 5 (tsp) and 15 ml (tbsp), and don't forget the scales.
And the recipes can be printed, especially since there are many of their own.

That's lovely

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Panasik baked tonight bread with cheese and bacon
And what kind of bread turned out Straight ciabatta inside Class
Mandraik Ludmila
Waist, it is called: "there was not a penny, but suddenly altyn" ... as I used to live without Panasik, "and now I am twice as happy"cat Matroskin
mamusi
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simpler
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I bought a stove for the city,
Aaa, I see, Lyuda.
Waist
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"and now I'm twice as happy" cat Matroskin
I think Soviet people all know "happiness according to Matroskin"
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how I used to live without Panasik
For some reason, I never "raised the question" like that. I'm just glad how much I learned, understood and was able to, thanks to this bread maker. I'm very glad that the choice fell on Panasonic: I wanted another one initially ... cheaper, but my husband rejected everything and unequivocally approved by Panasonic, since he fully respects and trusts this company from a young age. All! So he gave me this bread maker





Well, CONNECTLY, the owner of Panasonic sincerely wishes, and rejoices when someone else acquires the HP of this company
Mandraik Ludmila
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For some reason I never "asked the question"
Natasha, apparently because you did not have such a radish, from which I just didn’t cry, but I was upset in full, when everything seemed to be right, and the bun seemed to be as it should be, but I want to throw out the result as I remember, so I shudder
Waist
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Natasha, apparently because you didn't have such ...

... another ...
Luda, it may well be. Beloved husband saved
Wit
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I wanted another one initially ... cheaper, but my husband rejected
Aaabaldet! So do I. But his wife ... and hereinafter Natasha.
Wlad
Hello everyone ... I know that this topic was raised here more than once, but due to my "phenomenal" memory I immediately forgot everything. Tell me how many grams of sugar are in one oven spoon? And then the granulated sugar is over and there is only lumpy left and we need to put the bread ... but there is no way to go to the store yet
Mandraik Ludmila
WLAD, on jewelry scales, fine white sugar, in a "tablespoon" of our measuring spoon 12.23g
1ml sugar = 1g, like water
mamusi
Damn, and I measured 4 g in the tea room.




Exactly, sugar is usually measured with the "table part" of a measured spoon ... what am I?
I'm going to change it.
Lyuda, go to Temka I am looking for a recipe ...




Vlad, measured 1 s. l. Sugar with a measuring spoon from Ragas ~ 11 g. On my non-jewelry regular kitchen scale Scarlet.
Wlad
Girls, thank you very much ... very grateful to you, I'll go put bread
Thumbelina
I baked it on Extra grade flour, French Thing, the bread turned out to be not high and rubber
Mandraik Ludmila
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on flour of the Extra, French Thing
I baked on such a flour in the French mode, the smallest size barely fit in a bucket.
Olya, let's check it step by step. What recipe? French? What yeast (name)?
Thumbelina
Yes, French, yeast, as always, pakmaya instant. Recipe from a book, sifted flour.
I'm trying it for the second time right now.
Sedne
And I love this French thing very much, good flour.
Mandraik Ludmila
Thumbelina, let the stove cool down, do you remember the girls wrote, you need to turn it off from the network so that the temperature sensor would drop off and put something cold inside
It’s strange that it didn’t work, but I noticed that the Pakmaya is weaker than, for example, SAF-moment and even saf-levure.




Olya, try another yeast
mamusi
I love Pakmaya. Stopped buying Saf.
Thumbelina
The stove that has cooled down since yesterday is standing, before that, everything was done on the Pakmai. I bought a special. Instant, everything was fine until I took extra flour.
In general, I'll report back in 6 hours.
mamusi
OlgaForgive me if I'm not getting into my own ... nl WHY is she needed ... This Extra. In my opinion ... well, her.
And the highest is already artificially cleaned, and only extra. I do not know, but for me Macfa is enough for the eyes in. from. And I'm trying right now to switch to grade 1. More often.
Thumbelina
Girls can all the same Extra better for croissants and other baked goods and it is written on the bag with flour, but on the highest grade it is written just for bread ??? !!!




mamusi, so, here, I wanted to try and feel the difference, before that there was always Makfa.
Mandraik Ludmila
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Extra better for croissants and other baked goods, and it says on the bag of flour
Olya, I have this particular flour - extra ... look at the yeast expiration date, I still sin on them
Thumbelina
No, yeast tested before 18

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Sedne
I really liked the French thing extra very much for bread, I don't recognize and don't like macfa.
Mandraik Ludmila
Olga, pay attention to 1 bag for 1 kg of flour, maybe you need to pour more, because we have 400g of flour, this is almost half a bag ... anyway more than 1 hour. l. or pitches on low-yeast
$ vetLana
Thumbelina, the stove is not in a draft?
Thumbelina
The stove is all shaking when kneading on this flour, it used to be quieter than kneading and the rubber bun is very rubber, but not dry, sticks.




$ vetLana, no, everything is as usual.
Mandraik Ludmila
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shaking when kneading on this flour,
Something incomprehensible, this is not rye flour ... It shouldn't be like that .. There shouldn't be a classic kolobok in French
Thumbelina
I am waiting for the result in 5 hours, if everything repeats, then I remove this flour out of sight and switch to the grade below. And then Panasik "staggers" from such gluten koloboks
$ vetLana
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before it was definitely quieter
Has the flour become drier? It's not hot here, are you?
Mandraik Ludmila
Olga, we are waiting together, I am the same interesting, exciting.
Oh, I remembered, I saw here in Prism, on a last trip to the city, Latvian flour: no sort, no clear labeling - no, only it says "special". The sellers understand - "I don't know anything, I don't understand anything", it costs a little over 100 rubles per 2 kg, the composition contains an anti-caking additive, in general I didn't take it, but now I go and think, I'm curious to try different flour, but why is it it is not clear to let "special" on the pack
Thumbelina
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Has the flour become drier? It's not hot here, are you?
I used to bake on Makfa, but this is the second time I put it ...
Sedne
But the French thing is definitely drier than Macfa.
Mandraik Ludmila
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the French thing is definitely drier than Macfa.
It is drier than any flour that I have, and I now have a LIMAK, Tver Mill, Samara Mill. It is sown just instantly, it almost wakes up itself through a sieve. Looking whiter than others, I conducted an experiment: I poured a spoonful of different flour on one saucer and asked my husband to choose the very white one, he pointed exactly to the "French thing"
Sedne
Mandraik Ludmila, I really like it, just very much, but I add a little water to it.
Thumbelina
I have it sowed slower than Makfa it is 100℅ for sure.




Well that's all, the flour goes to the trash can.

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fffuntic
I haven't taken an extra for a hundred years. But now I read you and am surprised. My extra was very tender and weak. She demanded less water and did not give high bread, but he was so tender and gentle.
Apparently extra is also very different.

Ritus, but actually that in. with., which is extra, already in Fig. They are practically the same in terms of emptiness in substances. Particularly far away at from. you can't leave extras without CH additives, for example.
But a very white color may indicate chlorine bleaching, which is not at all necessary, but it is possible if the seller is dishonest.
But - again, this is not necessary at all.

And what about the trash heap,Olya, well, completely unusable flour is rarely found, more often a simple misunderstanding with it.

Perhaps a flaw in the kolobok. It is difficult without pictures only by the words "rubber bun", to understand what is the matter.
Maybe, out of love for experiment, you should first achieve a nice soft kolobok?

Since there was an experiment to familiarize yourself with the taste of extras, maybe you shouldn't give up right away?
Thumbelina
Well, of course I will find a use for it, but I will not put it in bread, I will use the highest grade as before. Khlkb from extras is edible but very viscous, there is a lot of gluten in it.
fffuntic
my extra gave very tender bread, something closer to the bakery version. Very fine pore with little lift. Tasty.
That is, the difference with v. from. was noticeable. But I like more rubbery bread, so I returned to V. from.
Mandraik Ludmila
fffuntic, on such an extra I have French like this, for everything a bucket high.

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By the way, you somehow asked me to count how many strokes on the main, I counted three.

Olya, can you cut it? In the photo there is a very interesting structure of a loaf, look: from below, what was rising during the rise - the structure is beautiful, bubbly, and from above, it was he who rose during baking, everything is dull and shiny. Is there something wrong.
Thumbelina
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Olya, can I have a cutter?

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