Kenwood kitchen machines

[Bijou]

Bijou, if people advise what they own and are happy with - one question.
If they advise something that they do not own, but simply love the brand - another question.
And if they advise what they own, but are not happy - the third question.
Well, etc.

After reading a bunch of reviews, reviews, reviewing a bunch of videos, I saved for a long time for Cooking, restraining my impulses to buy Bosch, another Kenwood, etc. I reminded myself every time that this would not stop my desires, and in the end I would overpay by buying one first , then all the same Cooking.

And yet, a lot depends on experience. People may not understand that something is wrong in average technology, they may not appreciate the good work of the flagships of any brand, spitting that they overpaid. Much depends on expectations, because very often, when you wait for a long time, you achieve, but there are no fireworks. Well, etc.

Try to buy a spiral native small bowl hook. Or maybe someone will comment on the small spiral hook.

maybe I'm wrong

This is just a continuation of our daytime conversation about kneaders in a neighboring topic. There is also about cooking, you can read if you plan to buy. The link is the beginning of a burst of discussion.

Kneading machines # 2456

[Rituslya]

Rituslya, the donkey is not Kesha and Arkasha. They are just heavy trucks. Kesha Cooking Chef, I mean.

because my Ken has eternal flaws.

Which ones?

Mlynnna, and where the hell have I been for almost two years ?!

Didn't you like it or did it like that?
Unclear

Try to buy a spiral native small bowl hook. Or maybe someone will comment on the small spiral hook.

Yes, I rummaged through the Internet at the time when you first mentioned it.)) I haven't found anything yet ... If suddenly a link to a possible purchase flashes, I will try not to miss it. For Bosch moved out, I covered Kenwood, and Panasonic works daily.

I found pictures from Bosch, I'll go to that topic about dough mixers - I seem to have already posted it, but I haven't found anything. Maybe tomorrow in Kenwood I will mix for photographs, because such an unattractive result did not occur to my head.))

Didn't you like it or did it like that?

If you don't like it, then there's nothing to talk about. I am usually silent.
And then he mixed it coolly, distanced it, and then turned out to be cool to the touch.
Kendel Monster!

[Bijou]

lost a lot of money on such a mistake

Bijou, Lena, I was lucky in this sense. Kmix bought for 11 thousand in May 2016. It was new, but after renovation. If I bought it at full cost, then it cost about 32 thousand, it would be very insulting.

jambs are not at all in the crooked hands of the owner.

I still do not exclude this option. I think that the problem is with me, that I do not feel the specifics of the dough being kneaded with a hook. All forty minutes I beat myself on the hands so as not to transfer the dough into the bread maker. In general, while our "relationship" with Kesha, as a kneader, can be described in one phrase: the mice cried, injected, but continued to eat the cactus.
Should you replace the hook?

Yes, I rummaged through the Internet at the time when you first mentioned it.)) I haven't found anything yet ...

Then we talked about homemade, which foreign craftsmen made.
And there is a dear one, I wrote you the article today - KW716547.

Ebey, Amazon, or ask for a code in a professional service, they have the option that something is not on the site, but knowing the article, you can ask how much they will bring.

🔗

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The German service center has less than 20 euros, but there will hardly be a third package to offer.

professional service - 🔗

and then it turned out to be cool to the touch.

Hurrah! And really, what was he standing for?

And there is a dear one, I wrote you the article today - KW716547.

I was looking for this in terms of services, you talked about it for a month, if not more, back.)

[Bijou]

Bijou, in the professional service asked? It was asked

No, I didn't call.) I suspect that the price for it will be rolled out no less than for a homemade product on Ibea ...

[Bijou]

Bijou, not a fact, when compared with the prices of a German service center, then + 200-400 rubles. to the German price (this is if 10-30 euros, and if something is more expensive, then the difference is more noticeable, for example, on an induction bowl), a couple of pieces turned out to be almost the same price (that is, less than 100 rubles. the difference), and even a couple are slightly cheaper (also up to 100 rubles)

[Miranda]

MirandaActually, Cookingshef should already give a discount to the residents of the bread maker (of course, he shouldn't owe anyone, but all the same!). For the constant advertising of their product!

[Stavr]

Stavr, if
Since the conversation about kneading is on a different topic, I put my video of kneading bread and kulich there, you can watch it.

[visual73]

I don't print them.

Do you know who does it? To all of us, they also do not fall from the sky .. if that

Constantly sugary reviews are boring.

I would like to see at least one

compared on the same table with the simplest Bosch 6 times cheaper and Bosch won

Lena! I already wrote that I compared them, though Kesha was 023. So I may not be very right

visual73, I liked the Kitfort LE 1308 dough mixer .. can you take a closer look? I'm serious .. and don't be offended by us

I already wrote that I compared them, though Kesha was 023.

I have already forgotten (or missed) - who won?

[Miranda]

Miranda, Mixes well. mmm

[Stavr]

Stavr, I have a previous induction, I have been happy for 2.5 years
The new induction is a little confused in the control (those who did not work with the previous one did not immediately poke the buttons under the screen, and those who did not have it - all the easier), but also fire a car.

[Bijou]

Bijouhere in that review of kneaders (from Miranda) it is said that in a larger bowl, and all things being equal, the dough is better.
I also consider the old hook for large bowls "wrong", it is the same size as the smaller bowls, only the height was given to it with a pipe, and the hook itself (kneading organ) is the same as that of the 4.6 l bowls, but should be proportionally increased like a whisk or k-shaped.
When I first kneaded the dough with my Premier (silumin hook), I gasped, the result impressed me. Neither Klatronic nor HP Panasonic nor the hooks of a hand mixer gave me such a test. But I did not knead with this hook for a long time, I quickly replaced it with a non-spiral one from the first induction. Personally, I think the main thing in a batch is to first mix all the ingredients, min. 5 at the minimum and let the dough lie down for 20 - 30 minutes, and then knead, depending on the moisture content of the dough and the season, 7 - 12 minutes per minute. and up to 2 speeds. In the summer, in my kitchen until 29, I take water from the refrigerator with ice (I throw the ice into the water a couple of hours before kneading and if it hasn't melted into the bowl I don't throw it) and the main batch is not long, 7 minutes, no more, otherwise you will ditch the gluten ... If the kneading was at 2 speeds, the temperature of the dough at the end of kneading reaches 28, the dough is allowed to stand in the refrigerator, then molding, and the final proofing is already on the table. In winter I like to bake, in the off-season it is worse. I am happy with the test, it is smooth, with a silk sheen and tiny bubbles on the surface. I bake sourdough bread, I use wheat flour in everyday life, c / s and 1 grade, I do not bake pure rye, usually rye-wheat (70/30), dough for pies from recipes with Panasonic, only for 1 kg of flour. I don't know, maybe my demanding threshold is low, so I'm happy with Kenwood, I still stroke it and love to look at the batch.

When I first kneaded the dough with my Premier (silumin hook), I gasped, the result impressed me. Neither Klatronic nor HP Panasonic nor the hooks of a hand mixer gave me such a test.

Which one looks like a hook from small Kitchens? I am glad that everything worked out right away!

And from me from HP or from Bosch, the dough begins to squeak already on the second folding (well, those bubbles), I fold it three times at best and cut it. And Keshino pull-pull ... and it starts to squeak on the tenth. ((

and I like to look at the batch

And I get stuck all the time

Quickly replaced it with a non-helical from the first induction

So I think that you can buy an inexpensive Kenwood with a 6.7 liter bowl. and change the hook to from the first induction and it will be good. Because the Kenwoods do not really differ in filling, and even the younger model is ready to work a day without rest, and not like in very cheap ones - 10 minutes of work, 10 minutes cools down. But this is if finances do not allow, or if the use is planned periodically. This is how I am for induction

[Natasha!]

I have already forgotten (or missed) - who won?

Bosch did not cope with either rye or a large volume of simple dough at all.

New induction is a little confused in control

Do you remember how I was whining .. it’s not so, it’s not that and now it’s just a song! So used to it ... it's so easy. About ed. modes generally keep quiet beauty, how convenient.
I don’t sing laudatory odes to Kesha (although he’s worth it), I just say what it is!

depending on the moisture content of the dough and the season

Natasha! I would add that we also have humidity from the place of residence, almost always, 90%

Do you remember how I was whining .. it’s not so, it’s not that and now it’s just a song!

Great!
It is clear that it takes time, after all, at least with my eyes closed, I will turn on / switch, etc., but I touched the new one twice and was afraid to press the wrong direction. That is, it’s not a problem, everything will be mastered and learned.

It's not a problem,

No .. now I know for sure! And it will be easy for you! I also like the timer very much .. convenient

I also like the timer very much .. convenient

So in the previous one there is a timer. Or what are you talking about?
I always set the kneading time, and it stops and picks, they say, come on, come, do something, I'm finished.

This one turns off the car!

[zvezda]

zvezda, in the sense of the power supply? That is, not from the outlet, of course, for this you need hands, but a button, as it were?

I'll put in my 5 kopecks: the hook from the first induction is really a thing! Thanks Miranda! I'm just bastard with him!
But my Kesha is still a versatile person: I use a lot of attachments. Now, in the harvesting season, he saves me so much time!
It's a pity that the sieve-rubbing was taken out of production. Without him, as without hands.
In general, I love Kesha, although 020 is an old man. Sometimes I try to buy induction, but I still don’t dare.

I'll put in my 5 kopecks: the hook from the first induction is really a thing! Thanks Miranda! I'm just bastard with him!

Thing, yes!

although 020 is an old man

At one time it was the flagship, and with the advent of induction - the flagship without induction machines. Development 020 -> 040 -> 060. Well, or the same thing, but with an extended configuration (with a blender, etc.) - 023 -> 043 -> 063. And it was called Titanium. With a small bowl, respectively - 010 -> 030 -> 050.

The modern Titanium is also a flagship without induction machines, but the design has changed - a button on the back, illumination of speeds and bowls, a bowl with a displacement mark, all so more rounded. The hook is different, the corolla is reinforced (although it is good to have "fluffy" as a second, that is, to buy in addition), flexi has been different for many years, they began to complete with a souffle (it was not there before). Modernized, in short.

This is what has been consistent for decades - the K-nozzle.

[Miranda]

So I think that you can buy an inexpensive Kenwood with a 6.7 liter bowl. and change the hook to from the first induction and it will be good. Because the Kenwoods do not really differ in filling, and even the younger model is ready to work a day without rest, and not like in very cheap ones - 10 minutes of work, 10 minutes cools down.

Miranda, yes, that's how it is, I replaced all the stainless steel nozzles, bought a flexi, and a reinforced whisk, but I like the fluffy more. And you have not seen the new hook on foreign sites for sale, if you have its designation, sound it, pliz.I would buy it too, so I want to try it too. Yes, if you have a tight budget, you can safely take a cheaper km. And I still hope for my son's trip and the purchase of the previous induction there, I don't want any new Kenwoods or a new induction.

Bijou, the Premier's native hook is the same geometry as that of 010, only selumin (much lighter) and taller due to the tube, much was said about the rise of dough through the tube in the second part of the topic, the distance from the bottom of the hook to the mat was measured was a problem for 020. I conducted an experiment - I put a dark zest in the dough, during kneading it flashed both below and on the tube and again below. I realized that all the dough is in motion, rising and falling.

Now, if you look, you can find here my throwing about the choice of a car)) how at first I was categorically opposed to induction and it seemed to me that this was some kind of mass hysteria)))) then I thought better more than less)) and after I bought it and have been using it for a year and a half, I do not regret anything and I will not exchange my cache for anyone. I love to madness everything that he does and can

sense of power supply

Well, you make me laugh lately (or I am so clumsily expressing my thoughts, which may well be) no, it just stops the process. Maybe 096 is the same, but I didn't use it there, and therefore I don't

I love to madness everything that he does and can

Oh, how I subscribe to this ...

he is just WOW what (PERSONALLY for me, if this annoys someone, then perdonnay)

And where is it better to buy equipment, in an official Internet store or order Amazon through ebay, for example?
For example, the Premier has already been removed from sales ... A cookie will not be cheaper from Europe?

cheaper from europe?

I think you will fall for the duties ... The car costs more than 300 euros. You need to ventilate this question. And yet - is the European guarantee in the territory of the Russian Federation valid for Kenwoods?

And you have not seen the new hook on foreign sites for sale, if you have its designation, sound it, pliz.

the Directory contains all the article numbers of the current hooks. New is cheaper.

Well, you make me laugh lately (or I am so clumsily expressing my thoughts, which may well be) no, it just stops the process. Maybe 096 is the same, but I didn't use it there

I just wrote that there is a timer at 096, when the time runs out (countdown) - the car stops and gives a signal, which is convenient if you left the kitchen. And you, in response, turn off the new one. So I decided that it was something else. There are a lot of programs in the computer, which, upon completion of the process, can turn off the computer if you tick the box.

If it just stops the process, then this is also in the first induction, and even without the induction machine, it seems 040, into which the scoreboard was built over time as in 096.

won't cooking be cheaper from europe?

You will not be able to buy induction there, it does not pass by weight into the permitted one, and foreign shops, such as a computer universe, immediately refuse to send it. There is an inscription - we do not send to Russia.

From January, the duty-free threshold is 500 euros. Only if you get to NG, you can buy (not induction). After NG, it will not pass through the threshold and will have to pay a fee.

[Girls]

So I think that you can buy an inexpensive Kenwood with a 6.7 liter bowl. and change the hook to from the first induction and it will be good. Because the Kenwoods do not really differ in filling, and even the younger model is ready to work a day without rest, and not like in very cheap ones - 10 minutes of work, 10 minutes of cooling.

Girls, who are from Ukraine and those who have someone to deliver from Ukraine, here at OLH 🔗 sold for 4.6 l bowls: hook and K-shaped stainless steel and flexi of the old model. New 500 gr. each, bargaining is appropriate. And in the official store in Kiev there is KW 716555 suitable for kitchen machines of the series: Cooking Chef, Chef XL, Chef Sense XL and Major is a new hook, price 529 gr. I'll order now.

Who's how the Senses are doing?
In three years of work, we change the engine for the second time (((
True, he works several times a day. But it seems like the instructions are not prohibited.

[Miranda]

ordered. They called back. They will send it tomorrow.

Miranda, got through. There were two flexi, already dismantled, there was a hook and a K-shaped one, you can buy it anywhere, but there is flexi in another ad 🔗, but the price is higher - 700gr.

Received a car from repair. As follows from the inspection report, the engine shaft bearing is broken. The foreman said the reason was that Kenwood was putting cheap Chinese engines on these cars. And we really just worked out (in a year?) Its resource. So, according to this parameter, Senses are no better than cheap Chinese similar equipment. More decent motors are installed on Cookings. Which is another reason for buying big premium cars. Yes, motors are not repaired (although theoretically they could), but are completely changed.

[Paul I]

Received a car from repair. As follows from the inspection report, the engine shaft bearing is broken. The foreman said the reason was that Kenwood was putting cheap Chinese engines on these cars. And we really just worked out (in a year?) Its resource. So, according to this parameter, Senses are no better than cheap Chinese similar equipment.

Paul I, here are the times, and where the company is looking, because the warranty for them is also 5 years. Are other old lines (Classic, Premier, Titinium) and new Kenwood KVL and Kenwood KVC weak motors too? Well, well, but the prices are very, very small

Pavel I, these are the times, but where does the company look, because the guarantees for them are also 5 years

Now I'm going to ask this question to manufacturers. In theory, after the expiration of the warranty period, this motor can be repaired on its own by replacing the plain bearing with a rolling bearing. But this collective farm is dense and I don't really want to do this, especially in relation to premium equipment. I would like to force the manufacturer to install decent engines ...

Well, this is the trend all over the world - to get the consumer to buy goods as often as possible. Kenwood does the same, releasing models of various modifications and at the same time reducing the strength of the mechanism of the electric / device.
Firms. releasing "eternal" technology are doomed to ruin.

[Paul I]

I would like to force the manufacturer to install decent engines ...

Paul I , they can only be compelled by the fallen demand for their equipment or competition, and they go gogol, and it is not known how Delongi control production in China, the manufacturers themselves, probably, are doing this, so they reduce the cost. We have a 5-year warranty for all Sensas, do they not even suspect about the quality of the motors?

Firms. producing "eternal" equipment are doomed to ruin

leostrog, it's time to forget about the eternal technique, unfortunately, it has not existed for a quarter of a century, here at least the price-quality ratio was observed.

We have a 5-year warranty for all Sensas, do they not even suspect about the quality of the motors?

Now they suspect. But whether they will do something, the question is. And it's not about the quality of the motor itself, but about the quality of the bearing. And it is much cheaper than the motor itself. And here it would be possible to modify the detail inexpensively.

here at least the proportions of price and quality were observed.

Yes, with this, DeLonga's things are getting worse and worse. We are waiting for the prices to fall.

Yes, with this, DeLonga's things are getting worse and worse. We are waiting for a fall in prices.

Funny, yes.))
Leading brands act as if their models are competing exclusively with each other. Then yes, perhaps it makes sense to breed the quality at different levels and save on matches. But Christmas trees, brooms, there are others around! And in fact, the models will have to compete with others. Does it make sense to pay more than forty thousand for a regularly breaking Sens, if some Vityok breaks in the same way, only cheaper?

Does it make sense to pay more than forty thousand for a regularly breaking Sens, if some Vityok breaks in the same way, only cheaper?

The point is that Sens with a herd of baits is more universal. But the Chinese are really running out.

Colleagues, your conversation is meaningless.
First, we all operate with custom logic here, while manufacturers have a completely different logic. Secondly, it makes no sense to compare markets where the flagship costs 2-3 average salaries and where half of one salary. Where Cooking costs half the salary, the Chinese are not running out of anyone.

Plus, Europe has a completely different look at kitchen appliances and homemade food. The manufacturer first of all thinks about the European consumer, and I will not even guess about the Russian one. I read an interview with the chief in Delongy - they now have a goal for smart technology and related gadgets. All sorts of programs, communication via a tablet and so on. The refrigerator itself orders milk when it runs out, the heating and air conditioning are interconnected, the oven is controlled from the remote control and turns itself off according to the program, the kitchen machine itself determines the cooking time, etc.

He also reveals the numbers of all three brands of the group - Delongy, Brown and Kenwood. And their profit is very good. These are different directions, and if we talk about Kenwood, then this is a cyclical development. Since the consumer does not buy new kitchen appliances every year, but is updated no earlier than once every 5-10 years. Therefore, new items appear in increments of at least 3 years in each class. And now they are aimed at promoting Cooking, but more - the new Kcook, which connects via bluetooth to the updated recipe application in the tablet. This, of course, is about Europe first of all.

Talking about prices. That now the prices have become very democratized in the market (in the sense of not Kenwood, but the common market). Plug from 100 euros and up. Therefore, there should be a ruler for every wallet. But the wallet is not always the main thing when choosing, but how much a person is immersed in the topic of cooking, whether he buys his first mixer or wants to make complex recipes. Therefore, he talks a lot about what the Russian unit will not get to.

It's about user support. The world has changed, and just a hot phone and a social page are no longer enough. networks, now it is very important to have a community, clubs. With updated, well-archived content (articles, recipes, online training, etc., in social networks, even if an interesting recipe is posted, all this creeps away and cannot be found) not only from the company, because it is regarded as another beautiful ads; and custom content. Plus communication in the community. Because the choice of buying now does not take place in the store, but begins on the Internet. And just advertising and beautiful videos are not enough. The buyer is looking for videos of real users, real reviews, real recipes. And from the company now we need not beautiful videos, but educational step-by-step videos. Then the purchase turns not just into the purchase of a premium car, but you also buy support, personal development through educational modules, and communication of interests. And even being a beginner in cooking, buying the first mixer, but seeing great opportunities, will make a choice in the direction of a more expensive gadget, not being afraid not to cope with it, and "to grow" culinary skills.

In the Russian division, the leadership has recently changed a little, maybe finally we will have some kind of club and support, like in France, Italy, Germany, Czech Republic, Australia, etc. Because, in comparison, we now have a sad sadness. No recipe books, no normal support, no content. Some joyful cries with a bunch of exclamation marks from lured bloggers and pastry chefs. Opportunities for most of those who bought kitchens. the car is used by 10-20%, which is why it is not clear why to spend so much money.

Thank you for the interesting summary of our nambervan's speech. It’s a pity that he doesn’t say anything about the conformity of the quality of the equipment to the expectations of buyers. Even now, the engine has changed and it roars like a wounded buffalo.Worked much quieter earlier. And this is not normal, and the top management of the company should pay attention to these things, if they do not want the promoted communities to circulate talks about problems with the operation of their equipment.
By the way, in my understanding, these clubs of interest should not be lured by one manufacturer and divided by brands. Only in this case you can get an objective picture and make the right choice. In the end, what matters is the end product served on the table and the labor involved in preparing it, not how beautifully it is made in Kenwood or Kitchen.
By the way, can you link to the interview itself?

By the way, in my understanding, these clubs of interest should not be lured by one manufacturer and divided by brands.

Well, the Bread Maker is in your hands. Compare, choose.

The community around the brand (any) and / or product has a different story, with a different task.

[Paul]

PaulYou know how well I treat you, but here let me disagree with you. Why would I go around and compare my Kenwood clubs to someone else? It is much more interesting for me to attend a master class specifically on my unit and, even more so, it is my model that interests me.
By the way, recently one of our members of the forum was at a master class and, if she doesn't mind, I'll post a photo from him.