Which bread maker to buy?

My Morphy richards bucket weighs 490g, but I have a 2.0 LB loaf

[Gift to grandparents. What should you choose?]

but in Panas there is a greater percentage of the likelihood that everything will go without breakdowns.

Is Rollsen exactly the one? There was a topic Gift to grandparents. What should you choose?
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=23775.msg163411;topicseen
In it I showed pictures and links to Ariet and Rollsen, these are two small stoves, but the topic disappeared there and the instructions could be read. It's not a hunt to search the Internet again. If you are still interested, then search the Internet for information about them. Although if you need more than just a small loaf, then I don't even know what to offer, maybe a bread maker with two buckets is more suitable for you? Type 2 small or one large. I think they were like that ..
Yes, and about the price, not that they caught up with Panasonic, I'm shocked, these were the cheapest stoves.
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Have you seen this? It seems to me that one bucket is smaller, the other is larger:

Hello dear !!!
One question was resolved for me, thanks to this forum (PMM is already working for me).
Please help me decide on the HP. Can't decide more expensive or simpler? Eminent or so? At first she looked towards Kenwood250. Then I thought, what to save on yourself? I looked at Tefal OW 4002 (it is still somehow prettier to me), I almost bought it in the store - my husband stopped it, he says it’s not worth it. According to the reviews, I considered Panasy 256 and 257. And LG also gives out yogurt with butter !!!!! I made a comparison table of these models (except for Kenwood) and still at a loss.
Please advise !!!

How can you advise without knowing your requests and your finances? To a question like yours now, everyone will advise their bread maker, and everyone will have the best. Because everyone chose a bread maker for himself, for his family, for his appetites and lifestyle.

[Lyi]

Lyi, look at this photo, this is typical of small loaves baked in a large bucket. On the sides, the crust will be tanned, while the top will be pale. It turns out this way because there is no top shade in the bread makers, and the high sides of the bucket prevent the heat from reaching the top crust of the bread.

I was also very tormented with the choice. For finance, Panasonic did not pull and looked towards Binaton. I have 3 Binaton things: a mixer, a microwave and a recently purchased food processor. The microwave has been working since 2002 (or 2003, I certainly don't remember), there was a blender on it, which periodically filled the microwave, but it did not even short out. The mixer also works from about the same time and without any problems. The assembly of these 2 items is Ukrainian, which is why Binaton used to be popular in Ukraine. But the harvester welled up after 3 months, because the Binaton assembly is now Chinese. The reason is simple - they put a very bad shaft, but the price has also become lower. I decided not to take it. She borrowed the missing amount of money from her mother-in-law and already had a choice between Panasonic and Kenwood. I'll make a reservation right away, the choice for Kenwood had only design, but since this is not the Kenwood that makes audio-video equipment, but the Kenwood that is part of DeLonga, I spat on the design I took Panasonic. There was also the fact that I needed stable perfected programs that were tested by time, because in the near future, at least a year for sure, I will not experiment and I do not need programming. This is MY choice and I cannot advise anything, and I have no right. She described the path of her choice, but in the end it is up to you to decide.

P.S. In principle, I don't deal with Tefal, because my relatives had enough equipment from this company and, with the exception of a couple of things, the equipment did not live up to the end of the warranty period.Through trial and error, I came to a certain company that makes very high-quality household appliances (assembly Poland!). The bread maker, nevertheless, did not dare to take theirs, because she did not want to miss, although I trust this company. And since everything now has a Chinese assembly, then the company chose a more responsible one.

[Gypsy]

Thank you, Gypsy, for your attention!
I meant the listed models (except for Kenwood), their price is about the same. But each has its own chips: Tefal has 2 buckets, 13 programs, Ski has butter, yogurt, Panasami everything, everything ...... sorry, almost everyone ....... is just delighted.
And what requests I and my family will have for HP, I will probably understand only when I already have it.

Tatochka, Thank you! + Panasonic

[Klimola,]

Klimola, look at the number of people in the family and how much bread you eat, the volume of the bucket of the chosen baking depends on this; if you prefer cold or hot bread, with or without additives (raisins, etc.), you may need an oven with a dispenser. Loaf shape? Design? How much space is in the kitchen? Say yogurt .. so decide for yourself whether you like it, or is it so indulgent. Weigh it all. And then how many times I read the forum .. still human psychology plays a big role, if there is already some kind of program in your head, then at least take some advice the person will still do it his way, as it is programmed in his head

I read and more and more in sadness .. girls what is it stable perfected programs time-tested? Have you ever read the instructions from any stoves? Do you just look at the name of the company and how many oohs and oohs on the forums? went to cry ..

Panasami everyone, everyone ...... sorry, almost everyone ....... just admire.

Who is all everyone? Those who have them? So everyone else with other stoves also rejoices in Orions, Kenwoods, Delphi, Ariets, Mulinexes, etc.

[Klimola]

Klimola! I think that 254 or 255 is better. I realized for myself that 256 and 257 are economic crisis options. And 255 and 254 are pre-crisis.
I have the same story with a robot vacuum cleaner. I grabbed the last non-Russified pre-crisis version, but in the Russified crisis versions one virtual wall flew out ... And the price was the same ...
IMHO.

I haven't read the whole topic, so if I repeat myself, I apologize.

1. Kenwood appliances don't live in my kitchen. The two devices I killed were Kenwood (bread maker and chocolate maker). If there are options, then I do not look at Kenwood.

2. Dispenser. Do not forget to close it. That is, when working with the dispenser, until it gets enough sleep, you cannot leave, you cannot stay awake. I used the dispenser 1-2 times. And I almost always put the bread overnight.

3. It's not about the number of programs. I had a Sweet Bread function in Kenwood, but it doesn't exist in Panasonic. Well, okay. The position that if there is a Rye mode in the stove, then rye will already turn out for sure - in my opinion, is unfounded. It's just that the number of programs is a type of advertising move. If you are going to be engaged in baking very specifically, then you need to consider an already programmable bread maker.

4. I cannot say that Panasonic is the best. I can only compare her to my ex Kenwood. Only those who have used all other brands can reasonably praise / scold Panasonic. And on our forum, God forbid, who had three bread makers. But the number of members of the forum who are satisfied with Panasonic is globally greater than fans of other brands. Therefore, Panasonic / non-Panasonik is already a question, are you looking for adventure, or not ...

[Klimola]

1. Kenwood appliances don't live in my kitchen. The two devices I killed were Kenwood (bread maker and chocolate maker). If there are options, then I do not look at Kenwood.

Klimola,
in our city there is basically nowhere to fix Kenwood - no one even wants to watch. The service said that spare parts are always available only for Panasonic and LV. So that's it. Kenwood broke down after 1.5 years, they did not repair it, now - Panasonic.
You can shower me with slippers, Panasonic lovers, but I DO NOT like the temperature equalization, especially for the dough mode, I often have to be perverted ...But it is much quieter than Kenwood! And it seems to me that it is more powerful in kneading a tight dough.

[Lyi]

Lyi, look at this photo, this is typical of small loaves baked in a large bucket. On the sides, the crust will be tanned, while the top will be pale. It turns out this way because there is no top shade in the bread makers, and the high sides of the bucket prevent the heat from reaching the top crust of the bread.

Gypsy girl!
Yes, if so in Panas, then it would suit me. And with two buckets is it apparently tefal? I went to the Internet to look for them.
But judging by previous views, the difference in the cost of all stoves is 1-2 thousand except for Bork. At the same time, I, of course, looked at the minimum price of all compared stoves.
I watched and became very interested in Binaton with double buckets, but even if you fill only one bucket, it's the same 450 grams, and the price difference is 1.5 thousand rubles. I'm still thinking about this option.
Hairpin, and that there is no "sweet bread" in Panas?
Here's another bad luck! Think again! True, in my Hitachi, I baked everything on wheat bread, but how do the owners of the Panas get out here?
Ay-oo-oo! Panasovtsy, please respond. How do you bake without this function?

I read and more and more in sadness .. girls what is it stable perfected programs time-tested? Have you ever read the instructions from any stoves? Do you just look at the name of the company and how many oohs and oohs on the forums? went to cry ..

I write as a person who is afraid to do something wrong and, as a result, do everything according to the instructions most of the time. Nevertheless, there have been no mistakes so far. But before the experiments, I grow and grow. Of course, it's easy to look at such statements to a person with experience and condemn, but you didn't even bother to look at what I attributed - that's MY opinion.

You can shower me with slippers, Panasonic lovers, but I DO NOT like the temperature equalization, especially for the dough mode, I often have to be perverted ...

I carry my slippers.

I squeal with delight precisely from the temperature equalization. In a hurry, I rarely do anything, but I put it on and ... went to bed ... to the store ... So most often I bake French bread, and I don't think that 6 hours is a lot, but ...
But the phrases "bring butter to room temperature", "add warm milk" are in the distant past. Butter from the refrigerator, milk from the same place ... And fffse !!! I left and forgot!

[Klimola]

Klimola,
in our city there is basically nowhere to fix Kenwood - no one even wants to watch. The service said that spare parts are always available only for Panasonic and LV. So that's it. Kenwood broke down after 1.5 years, they did not repair it, now - Panasonic.
You can shower me with slippers, Panasonic lovers, but I DO NOT like the equalization of temperature, especially for the dough mode, I often have to be perverted ... But it is much quieter than Kenwood! And it seems to me that it is more powerful in kneading a tight dough.

That's just about me, too, this option is not very attractive. Whether it's Hitachi, I threw everything out of the refrigerator and she immediately starts mixing.
Moreover, this option is filled with water in dry. We'll have to retrain, but here the costs are probably going to be compared with my old one for a long time.
Maybe he really should look for her again. It is embarrassing that there are almost no supplies of it in Russia now. And the connections are already lost.

[Spire]

I carry my slippers.

I squeal with delight precisely from the temperature equalization. In a hurry, I rarely do anything, but I put it on and ... went to bed ... to the store ... So most often I bake French bread, and I don't think that 6 hours is a lot, but ...
But the phrases "bring butter to room temperature", "add warm milk" are in the distant past. Butter from the refrigerator, milk from the same place ... And fffse !!! I left and forgot!

Spire, you must admit that this can be done simply by postponing the program time by 30 minutes if necessary, but for me, for some reason, it happens the other way around - I need to be faster and I'm better myself ...
But overall, she is more stable than Kenwood as a result.

[Hairpin]

still human psychology plays a big role, if there is already some kind of program in his head, then at least take some advice the person will still do it his own way, as it is programmed in his head

(y) It's not in the eyebrow, but in the eye !!! I like Tefal, but everywhere (and not only on this forum) they sing praise songs about Panasonic. If I hadn't heard them, I would have no doubts. Throw a coin at least !!!
Something I have a quote from Tsyganka somehow inserted incorrectly. Sorry, I promise to learn.

Hairpin, I don’t know how seriously I’m going to bake. I never baked bread myself. I practice sweet and not very baked goods due to the availability of free time, that is, not very often once every 2.3 weeks on weekends. On vacation, of course, more often. I tried, by the way, a lot of recipes from this forum. I think that with the advent of HP it will be even more frequent.
I don't consider the dispenser as a necessary bloat at all, I like to participate in the process and will still stand over the HP until she finishes the work. Doubt I will put on bread for the night. I still have both SM and PM working only under supervision (don't laugh, well, I like it this way, they make me happy and calmer that I won't flood my neighbors).
And the more programs the better, because I don't know what will take root from the recipes in our family.

I like Tefal

Well, buy once you like it, why look at the others .. for a long time there is no Soviet Union and uniforms in school, and we are no longer children, what difference does it make for everyone, for example, I have such a character that I'd rather buy something else no matter what as everyone. Why walk in rows?

but everywhere (and not only on this forum) praise songs are sung about Panasonic. If I hadn't heard them, I would have no doubts.

People living in the former USSR sing only on Russian-language forums, the rest of the world breathes on Panasonic exactly the same way as on other companies in the world
ABOUT! I remembered what it's called - idolatry

[Lyi]

Lyi Hitachi Bread Maker no longer releases
And from behind the hillock if you lead then zojirushi bb-cec 20
Or SD-BMS102
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=44300.0

I like Tefal

Me too. Tefal is original. Varenevarka and MasterPlov are the reason. But ... In terms of reliability, I have only three firms. Morphy Richards, Bosch and Panasonic. And Tefal ... he's some kind of fragile ... But I take Tefal if other companies don't produce this device ...

[Well? bad bread?]

Girls! And I bake both sweet and Borodino and just white and with bran on 1 prog - basic, although I have 12 of them. j. You, most importantly, Romin outline the treatise on the kolobok, at least in your head. And I have no scales. Here, the main thing is to understand that bread is flour, water, salt and yeast. And the stove is IMHO a second time.

shl. And on the base one I have no tempnratury equalization, by the way. There is only whole grain. I'll look for a picture. Well? bad bread?

In mine there is a program * sweet roll *, I use it very often, because we love Chuchelkin roll, here it is from my cheap stove, which is four years old:

[Gypsy]

In mine there is a program * sweet roll *, I use it very often, because we love Chuchelkin roll, here it is from my cheap stove, which is four years old:

Gypsy ... Found here - the same Austrian reindling Chuchelkin

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[Lyi]

Lyi Hitachi Bread Maker no longer releases
And from behind the hillock if you lead then zojirushi bb-cec 20
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=44300.0

That's what I'm looking at Hitachi almost disappeared from the shops. It's a pity, the Japanese are Japanese, that bread machines, televisions, and cars, are almost unsurpassed in their qualities. It is not for nothing that they say that if the Japanese were not forbidden to deal with weapons, they would now speak.
And Panasonic seems to be gaining great acceleration. Well, God forbid. Maybe it will make us all feel better.

[Lyi]

Lyi Here are the little breads from Panasonic

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=14168.0
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=222.10

[Lyi]

Lyi
I promise to bake bread from 300 grams of flour today. The result will be, I am sure, unchanged - ruddy top and sides, as I have baked a small loaf more than once. I'll post a photo.
The only thing that can change the color of the top to a pale one is a draft in the kitchen, it was like that in the summer heat.
This bread is made from 400 grams of flour:

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&Itemid=99999999&topic=17985.90

Sazarlexter, Margiit!
Thank you very much for the bread demonstration. The bread is wonderful and all my doubts have disappeared. (y) Fully matured until Panasonic 257.I will no longer suffer with the choice. Still, a bread maker is bought for more than one year, I, of course, do not count on the previous 20 years, but I hope it will serve for 5 years, therefore I want to buy a more modern model, which during this time will not be removed from production and for which there are spare parts.
But I will have to fight drafts, I have a split system in my kitchen and the wind is not weak around the clock, I will have to look for the fifth corner for it.

For objectivity, a tiny loaf from a Chinese oven:

[Admin]

Here is my promised bread of 300 grams of flour and 200 grams of liquid (100 whey + 100 water), salt, yeast 0.75, 20 grams. oil, 20 gr. powdered milk, I don't put sugar. She did not interfere with the batch, she just made sure that the flour-water ratio was optimal and the bun was formed well. Uvelka flour, Pacmaya yeast, Fermipan is there, but used Pacmaya to get the usual result. Size M, medium crust, loaf weight 470 grams. By the way, I've been using this advice for two months Admin - flour into water. I pour the liquid into the x \ n, put the salt, stir to dissolve, then put the flour, milk powder, pour or put butter on the side. I already put yeast on the very top, the result is always excellent!

Tsyganochka, thanks for the demonstration. : flowers: The bread is good, you're in luck with the stove. But I'm going to buy a stove through the Internet, that is, feel it, I can't turn it, which means that the risk of running into a bad one increases even more.
An example is my current Chinese darny, who wants to bake, today she baked not very good, but you can eat, and yesterday she received a byaka using the same recipe.
Margit, thanks. : flowers: The bread is good. Probably, I, too, will continue to pour flour into the water from old memory, it's just that this is already stuffed in my head with an automatic machine over the past 20 years. Let's hope that HP can withstand such a deviation.
All these days I was sitting on the site and rereading all the posts about stoves. I thought about Binaton and Delonge for a very long time, and the programming tempted me.
But nevertheless, I am inclined to Panasonic 257. Now, after the demonstration of small buns, I calmed down on this matter and the only question remained unclear, but how can you bake pasta, sweet bread here. I would even attribute this question to the disadvantages of Panas, but do not throw the slippers right away, maybe there is some way out here, and the Panasonians have adapted to baking pasochki in other modes?
And it's a pity, of course, that there is not at least one program independently programmed by the user, which allows you to increase the time of proofing and baking.

[Lyi]

Lyi, this is not my oven and not my bread, this is a photo of my virtual friend from the Baltic states. Look for my photos and the stove in the Recipes on this site. I usually bake a small dose.
See what else I have to say. Chinese stoves are as different as those of well-known manufacturers. For example, Delongey, judging by the pictures of bread, suffers from a pale upper crust. Chinese ones also need to be chosen, on this site there are many good reviews about many Chinese stoves, you do not need to look at the name, you need to look at the appearance of the stove, they are made at the same plant, only the names are blurred under the order which they order. In my photo above, a good and very inexpensive stove, many on this site have it. By the way, I also bought mine on the Internet.
But for example, I will not advise how many photos of bread from this concave oven have seen, all with a white top and burnt sides:


here is my stove:


Lyi, but how will you live so calmly without a window in the stove? After so many years of pleasant habit

[Lyi]

Lyi,
Of course she also bakes sweet bread! After all, the stove has a dispenser, which it says, of course, to throw raisins, candied fruits or nuts. And in 254 - 256 this is done on a signal. There is a program called Bread with Raisins.

Lyi, how will you live so calmly without a window in the stove? After so many years of pleasant habit
Yes, Tsyganochka, here you left me ... (scratching the back of my head)

Orion 24 W also has a dispenser. It costs very little!

[Lyi]

Lyi,
Of course she also bakes sweet bread! After all, the stove has a dispenser, which it says, of course, to throw raisins, candied fruits or nuts.And in 254 - 256 this is done on a signal. There is a program called Bread with Raisins.

Thank you calmed down. Hopefully at 257 this program will also be.
PS I wonder why the Internet shops do not fully reflect the information about the programs, so this forum would not exist and one could pass by, because you cannot do without sweet bread at home. It would be better to save on advertising, and not on the fact that they only report the number of available programs, and not their list.

This is the best of all stoves, don't even hesitate. You can safely open the lid and keep an eye on the dough, that's what I do. Only during baking I no longer open it, so there is a window, there is no window - it's just a matter of habit.

Orion 24 W also has a dispenser. It costs very little!

About Orion 24 (27) w they write: it is not on sale in the Russian Federation, and its delivery from Ukraine, I am afraid, will cost hoth. Moreover, it is not known whether anyone will undertake to send her here.
PS By the way, the same goes for Gorenie and many other inexpensive stoves.

There are Alaska stoves in the Metro, we gave it to a friend for her anniversary. It bakes very well, of course not like Panas, but we can say that it is not bad. Both the roof and sides are baked evenly. Price 2 thousand, by the way with a window.

About the program * sweet roll *, it differs from all other programs, you can see for yourself the time of proofing, kneading, baking in this table for my oven:

That is, it is not just to throw a handful of raisins, it is bread technology.

There are Alaska stoves in the Metro, we gave it to a friend for her anniversary. It bakes very well, of course not like Panas, but we can say that it is not bad. Both the roof and sides are baked evenly. Price 2 thousand, by the way with a window.

Alas, the Metro is inaccessible to me, we do not have it.
Tsyganochka, I completely agree with you, but you don't have such a stove on sale. Browse this site for interest 🔗 , there on the left side all (almost) models of manufactured HP are put down, you click on which and read the description (incomplete) reviews and others, and on the right there are shops where you can buy them. So there you will see that all the more or less cheap decent bread makers in the Russian Federation are not for sale, only outdated models remained, apparently imported long ago and still not sold, or expensive models.
And let them not say after that that this is a conspiracy of monopolists, who profit from people buying expensive equipment. In this regard, Ukraine is lucky, all this is on sale there.

looked, there is a stove, I do not know how the price is expensive?


tell not from one plant? Well why overpay

Ooooh, I have one! Good HP. Inexpensive, bakes well. The crust is wonderful. Kneads perfectly, I do not help with a spatula.
There used to be Tefal, so I was disappointed in her. The upper crust remained white and did not knead well. A spatula could not do without help. And it was 2 times more expensive.

These stoves all look the same, and Alaska is almost the same:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=1997.225

And at the expense of the window, think carefully, do you need it?

I had to, and still have to. You don't have to open the lid to watch the process

After Hitachi, almost any HP will seem like a Chinese toy

I didn't think so

These stoves all look the same, and Alaska is almost the same:

so there are no complaints, they work perfectly, but what else is needed

Uf-f-f, 2 days of searching in all shops were crowned with success. Thank you all who responded for your help.
I still bought Panasonic 257 for 8000 rubles. I decided not to mess with the Internet, since shipment for me is only possible by a parcel, and this is 1.2 thousand rubles plus, that is, if the stove is 6000 + 1200 = 7200. The difference is small, but there are options for faults.
True, in the last store I came across a large selection of Korean HPs, and relatively inexpensive ones, but I was already so tired that I was unable to assess sensibly, did not even look at what was offered there, and did not want to go 50 km again tomorrow, and gasoline sorry. I took Panas and left.Although now I have arrived a little rested and already regret that at least I simply did not consider it. The most interesting thing is that I have not seen such HPs on the internet, and there were 10 (Korean) different brands of them.
In general, we will assume that whatever is being done, everything is for the best.
The first impression after a detailed examination of the HP at home: there are no drawback pens, even my outbred Kitaez has pens.
The kneading spatula has a big backlash, in Hitachi, it was tight for me, but maybe it should be so?
Tonight I'll put bread on the morning. My son asks for an ordinary white man to be the same as before in Hitachi, but I want to check the basic recipes in instruction.
Panasenkovites, how can you bake a small bun according to the main recipe? Or is it not worth the risk, but immediately take your recipe?

[Lyi]

Lyi This is the way it should be, it is so conceived. Start baking from here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=3328.0
There are mistakes in the book! What kind? Search the forum discussed!

[Lyi]

Uf-f-f, 2 days of searching in all shops were crowned with success. Thank you all who responded for your help.
I still bought Panasonic 257 for 8,000 rubles. I decided not to mess with the Internet, since shipment for me is only possible by a parcel, and this is 1.2 thousand rubles plus, that is, if the stove is 6000 + 1200 = 7200. The difference is small, but there are options for malfunctions.

Lyi
Congratulations!!! Let the x \ stove serve you as long and regularly as Hitachi! Now we are waiting for photos of your breads!
Do not hesitate, bake both large and small loaves - the oven will not disappoint you!

[Lyi]

Lyi The backlash is as it should be, it is so conceived. Start baking from here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=3328.0
There are mistakes in the book! What kind? Search the forum discussed!

Thank you, calmed with a backlash. I have already filled up the HP with a timer, basically a small loaf according to the HP recipe, added water, because we have very dry flour and adjusted the salt and sugar to your liking. In general, while the team hodgepodge. I think that you still need to adapt to this stove. In which case, I will return to the developed recipes from Hitachi.
Margit, thanks for the good wishes, but I think that the photo is still far away, until I find a common language with HP and then, if I come up with some kind of my own recipe. What I doubt very much, there is such a choice.

Yes, there is a great choice here! And you will not be lacking in experience, bake in the same way as before, and it would be interesting to see a photo and an ordinary bread.