Dishwasher malfunctions

In theory, on fast programs, drying is not provided at all

In theory, on fast programs, drying is not provided at all

yeah .. exactly ... there, after rinsing, the program ends immediately ... it's me the brake .. but on other programs it is not displayed ...

[According to theory]

According to theory no drying at all in fast programs

Like this? I have a separate program Rinse (20min) there really is no drying. A fast program Glass - 25 min with drying.
Of course, I can keep quiet here with my Kuppersbusch, because I haven’t met the owners of this brand here yet., but I cannot be silent about the theory ...

I dropped in for a minute .. I tell you in brief ... the statement (claim) was given on Friday ... I'm now waiting for the master ... They wanted to take the machine from me and do the examination without me - she refused .. said - only in my presence and at my place ... No ... well, what for will I give away the machine (for 20 prescribed days) if I can "drive it in the tail and in the mane" at home ... before the arrival of the master ... ...

Well, the fact that the machine has a glitch - I was convinced of this again yesterday ...

I started using the machine with the following indicators .. hardness 4 (out of 5), and set the rinse aid from 1 to 6 by increasing ... while the 20-minute program works great .... then I changed the hardness to 5 and set the softener from 1 to 6 ... it was then that I noticed this "jamb" .... in short ... with a hardness of 4 (which I rearranged from 5 back to 4 yesterday) this program works fine AGAIN ... . if I set the water hardness to 5, the program starts to mow ... well, something like this ... ... now I calmly wait for the master ... ... and wash the dishes in the PMM ...

Anya, setting the hardness more than necessary, you very much soften the water and from this the cleanliness sensors or whatever there begin to not recognize the degree of washing. You see, you want to break the machine so that it goes crazy. I checked the stiffness with a test - set the indicators - what else could I want from her? All the same, technology in the hands of a barbarian is a piece of iron.

Anya, setting the hardness more than necessary, you very much soften the water and from this the cleanliness sensors or whatever there begin to not recognize the degree of washing. You see, you want to break the machine so that it goes crazy. I checked the stiffness with a test - set the indicators - what else could I want from her? All the same, technology in the hands of a barbarian is a piece of iron.

So the test showed me 4 and a half cubes and in the water utility they said 4.6 units of hardness ...... So I put only 4 out of 5 and 5 out of 5 ... .. especially "I'm not wise" ... I just look at what values ​​\ u200b \ u200bthe dishes wash better .. I noticed that with a hardness of 4, that 5 washes the same, but the rinse aid indicator should be set at least 4 out of 6 .... Having tried on 5 (hardness), I went back to 4 .. since I didn’t notice much difference in washing, but so that the machine doesn’t eat salt too .. it was here that I noticed that only on "5" the machine is buggy and it is on the 1st program, and the rest work correctly ..

Guys help. Just bought a PMM. We install it ourselves. Everything seems to be fine, but the water does not enter the car - it is too early to say that the filter is clogged. We bought the Pyramid. Aqua stop system. There is also a plastic filter inside the water supply hose at the end, it seems to be pressed inside, we thought maybe because of it water does not come.

[Help me please!!!]

Help me please!!!
I have SIEMENS SR64E000 for 4 months. When I read this forum, I realized that I did a lot of things wrong, but ... I constantly used pills, then the finish line, then the somat.For all the time I have used one pack of salt. Everything worked well, but sometimes I could open the door while the PMM was working and take something that I urgently needed ... And somehow, after such an "opening", my AquaStop light came on. And not only lit up, but blinked. The instructions for the PMM say that this water got into the safety valve. What is this, I do not know. Said to call the SC. But the trouble is that I live near Kiev, and with the current weather and even on the eve of the New Year, not that no one will come to me, but will not even talk about it.
If anyone can, help me, what can you do yourself and can you?

So, sir .... a doooolg end to my torment over the lack of PMM work has come. And the thing turned out to be this: they called the master and he "made us happy" - the power module of the typewriter broke down. We had a "trosh" with a marriage ... as the master said
We ordered and waited from Germany for a month. Finally it is installed and it works !!!

That is, how would you provoke a breakdown with your open-close PM during the washing process? There is no need to climb and knock down from the correct work?
And so, I'm glad for you!

No) The fact that I climbed there, it did not affect the breakdown. But you don't need to do this anyway. I just had a defective power module. And the power module (as the master explained to me) is the brain and the PMM engine. He also told me (master) that power modules usually burn very often due to a power outage.

Ludiiiiiiiii, help! I have a problem with the PMM - the indicator for the lack of rinse aid does not light up, and the indicator for the lack of salt is on and does not go out (the salt has been falling asleep for 5 days already).

Ludiiiiiiiii, help! I have a problem with the PMM - the indicator for the lack of rinse aid does not light up, and the indicator for the lack of salt is on and does not go out (the salt has been falling asleep for 5 days already).

Has the warranty expired already? If so, it looks like there is something wrong with the brains. If she washes normally so far, then I would not do anything. Replacing brains is an expensive repair, sometimes comparable to buying new equipment. True, there are craftsmen who can repair brains. I once saved the Bosch refrigerator.

Yes, the warranty is over! Washes normally, but now you need to follow the conditioner, you can see from the dishes when it is over. But what about the salt now? To forget about it once to spit, but without it the machine will cover itself.

Yes, the warranty is over! Washes normally, but now you need to follow the conditioner, you can see from the dishes when it is over. But what about the salt now? To forget about it once to spit, but without it the machine will cover itself.

Vitalinka, I'm not a specialist, of course ... in my car you can visually see how much rinse aid is left. You can roughly pour it with salt, because you can't overdo it ... And also try to read the instructions, try to change the salt level in the settings, if it works out, it means a living thing. Maybe it's just a small glitch. I once had ... I usually switch modes by simply pressing the desired button, but then I switched something several times and the machine stopped responding altogether to pressing the buttons. With a fright, she called the service workers. They came, pressed a combination of buttons - reset the settings (it was written in the instructions, but I’ll call right away) ... in short, everything returned to normal and only had to pay for the call. The glitch passed and everything still works.

[lega]

lega, Thank you! Truth in my not visible level. Now I pour the rinse aid just to the eyeballs, now you still have to monitor the salt.

I once had ... I usually switch modes by simply pressing the desired button, but then I switched something several times and the machine stopped responding altogether to pressing the buttons. With a fright, she called the service workers.

I also had it, but then a simple disconnection from the network helped, now this number does not work.

And yesterday I wrote a statement to the OZPP .. the documents are being prepared for the court .. The lawyer told me .. "Well, you just use the PMM, do not hesitate, so that" "the defect does not disappear" ...

[* Anyuta *]

* Anyuta *, I carefully read the instructions for your typewriter. I want to draw your attention:
The indicator shows not the actual, but the "calculated", the minimum possible time of the program. In the course of work, the machine corrects it, depending on many factors. Maybe the water is ice cold and it takes more time to warm it up. Or the pressure is weak and it takes five minutes instead of 20 seconds to collect water ...

Although the indicator initially shows 20 minutes, the passport program is called "Fast-Track 30 Minutes". So five minutes difference can hardly be considered a malfunction.

[BUT]

Zhen, well then I'll clarify again .. I would not have found fault with the time of the "wash", if did not see how the program works "correctly"... that is, look .. the first two times it worked correctly and the time was counted correctly ... BUT then the machine, when the time was counted from 20 to 10 minutes, worked "correctly", and then jumps from 10 minutes to 24 minutes and washes everything anew... By the way, the time is indicated on the door of the car - 20 minutes .. Another nuan .. it was found when the salt indicator value was "5" ... when I set the indicator to 4, the program worked correctly for the first time, and again again this "glitch" with a time jump from 10 minutes to 24 ...

And more .. go to the topic of Choosing "PMM" .. I am not the only one, it turns out, I complain that in the PMM of the Beko company "drying" is displayed only when it wants to .. and sometimes it is not reflected at all. ..

As I said to my lawyer, I wouldn’t have a display, I wouldn’t bother myself with this and I didn’t know what was happening there and how long it lasted ... BUT I paid "extra money" for the display ... something like that...

And here is a photo from the PMM door ...


As far as I understand. instruction - maybe for several models / modifications - and then how to understand the information on the door of the PMM itself? In this case, I can also attract the manufacturer for the unreliability of the information .. I understand if the error was only 101-15 5, which is quite acceptable !, but more than 50% ..... ... I'm sorry!

PySy .. In my instructions, the running time of the program is 20 minutes ...

[BUT]

As I said to my lawyer, I wouldn’t have a display, I wouldn’t bother myself with this and I didn’t know what was happening there and how long it lasted ... BUT I paid "extra money" for the display ... something like that...

In this regard, I can say the current - "you would not be chasing a pop for cheapness" (C). What to demand the comfort of a jeep from a Zaporozhets.

In this regard, I can say the current - "you would not be chasing a pop for cheapness" (C). What to demand the comfort of a jeep from a Zaporozhets.

Light, no matter how ridiculous it may sound, but I chased after the "general opinion" ... that is, I bought into the fact that the majority it was CENTURIES .. and people were quite happy with them ...

And about the display I want to say - the overpayment was somewhere between 1000-1500 compared to the 1530 model ...

And yet .. I would not say that Veko is "cheap" .. they have already caught up with such models as Whirlpool, Kandy, Zanussi, Indesit, Hansa, Hotpoin-Ariston, Boman (I wrote out all the models that cheaperthan I took my PMM)

Anyut, you need to conduct it deliberately, and not behind the crowd. When I bought mine 5 years ago, an eyelid cost 8 thousand, indesit 9 thousand, mine 27 thousand - but there was no doubt, I'd rather pay a loan for 3 years at 750 rubles a month than wash for 8 thousand without claims to a good result. And anyhow - I'd rather walk on foot, but I won't sit in the Zhiguli anymore. So with such things long-playing - either a good decent unit, or no complaints.
As an anecdote about a horse - well, I didn't ... I didn't.

I came to "cry" and for help, I have a Bosch SE55A591 / 22 with aquastop. Today I turned on the machine for the sink, the Automatic program, and left the kitchen, I go in later - there was a puddle on the display for 25 minutes. Let’s wipe it off, I thought it wouldn’t be time to rinse, now the program will end and we’ll move it, let's look, my husband turned off the water, and it hums and hums, it reached the 1st minute and does not turn off, I will open the water for my husband, let him wash up. He opened it, and she was humming, but she could not draw water.
Before that day, we had a very small pressure, somewhere there was a breakthrough, they repaired, and then a very strong distance, maybe it somehow influenced.
What is this aquastop in general, maybe it is somehow blocked and does not let water in?
They pushed the machine aside, it seems to me that the water was flowing directly from the machine, at the bottom, where the hoses enter it, there is some hole, and it is wet. I can’t check, because the water was completely turned off. Tomorrow we will look, probably the master will have to look.

Anya, ay! How are you? What did the master say?

I tell you, in the morning my husband disassembled it, and it turned out that where the hose is connected to the barrel, the coupling weakened (so it seems?), And it flew off from the pressure of the water, all the water from the tank poured out, he put it on and pulled it up, it dried up for a day , then we turned it on for a quick program, she rinsed the dishes with cold water, and then stands silent, after 10 minutes, I smelled the smoldering wiring and turned it off. We have been waiting for the master for 2 days, but he will never reach us. My husband swears at me, says that it was necessary first to dry it well, and then turn it on.
So many dishes to wash out of habit! I try not to think about the bad, and hope for the good.

I ask the audience for help. Yesterday I put the dishes to wash and my automatic machine, which was put on the PM line, turned off during the washing process. I hadn't slept yet and heard the click of a machine gun. Turned on the machine, went walked around the car, kicked the wheels, looked under the hood looked inside, turned on the machine. The machine turned on, after thinking, as if I had opened the door during the washing process and started working. Almost immediately the machine gun went out again. I didn't experiment anymore. I left it to cool until morning - the water inside was hot. The tension at this time was normal. Although I'm not a physicist, I understand that something seems to be jumpering inside, now I will call my son and the service, although we have a weekend
The question is: what to think about, possible theoretical variants of breakdowns and, accordingly, what could this result in?
Thanks to everyone in advance

[Ksusha]

Ksusha Not enough data, RCD or current circuit breaker or voltage-current protection relay? Is the machine grounded? If there is a breakdown similar to the TEN case. There is a possibility that the machine is corny dead and it turns off under load.

Alas, men are not available to answer you correctly. They made a cap. repair of the kitchen-bathroom unit, changed the wiring. The machines were put at the counter. There is no RCD, grounding, as I understand it, is also a Stalin's house. Thanks for the answer, I called my son, promised to call my friend, the cat. electrician, although a bias in computer technology. I'm waiting for a call back and when they can call in.

Sasha, Monya also has a question for you. Hotpoint Ariston car. In 2.5 months there will be a year of purchase and operation. It washes well, but recently, after turning on the On Off button, the sensors for the lack of rinse aid and salt light up at once, however, after a second they go out. Washes the car well. Is this a malfunction? What is the reason?

[Svetlana_12]

Svetlana_12 It seems to me that there is nothing terrible, when you turn it on, all sensors are polled, while the indicators may flash.

Thank you so much. They both light up at once and then both go out at once, but do not blink. You have calmed me down.

I ask the audience for help. Yesterday I put the dishes to wash and my automatic machine, which was put on the PM line, turned off during the washing process. I hadn't slept yet and heard the click of the machine. Turned on the machine, went walked around the car, kicked the wheels, looked under the hood looked inside, turned on the machine. The machine turned on, after thinking, as if I had opened the door during the washing process and started working. Almost immediately the machine gun went out again. I didn't experiment anymore. I left it to cool until morning - the water inside was hot. The tension at this time was normal. Although I'm not a physicist, I understand that something seems to be jumpering inside, now I will call my son and the service, although we have a weekend
The question is: what to think about, possible theoretical variants of breakdowns and, accordingly, what could this result in?
Thanks to everyone in advance

Ksush, it was like that for me, began to knock out the machine gun.When the master was called, it turned out that the rinse aid compartment was leaking (of course, he did not immediately find it out), and when he unscrewed the dishwasher door, the entire seal was wet, sealed everything with some kind of special. sealant, and now everything is fine. He also said. that with such a breakdown he sees for the first time: crazy: Machine Veko DIS5830

He also said. that with such a breakdown he sees for the first time: crazy: Machine Veko DIS5830

Oh, those Beko ... .. and everything is for the first time with them ... .. I will have court battles on Wednesday ... then I'll tell you everything ...

And I still don't have a dishwasher, it's just some kind of nightmare, first Easter, then May 9, and the 11th son was celebrated for 2 years, endless guests, and their three children, and all this with their hands, no one from my family and friends understands me why I freak out, they still wash with their hands.
The master came, twisted something there, eventually connected it, the circulation pump (engine) started to smoke, buying a new one is expensive, the machine is not new with me, but it only serves me half a year. In short, the master took her home, said he would give an accurate diagnosis, maybe there is something with brains, and then we will decide. While silent, and the holidays are over. While she was working, I did not even understand how much she made my life easier!

[annnushka27]

annnushka27, hold on. Holidays are over, life goes on. And the fact that PM makes life easier is for sure. Even if the dishes are not entirely clean come out of my machine, it takes a couple of minutes to rinse it under the tap.
* Anyuta *, be sure to tell us how the matter will end.

[annnushka27]

annnushka27, hold on. Holidays are over, life goes on. And the fact that PM makes life easier is for sure. Even if the dishes are not entirely clean come out of my machine, it takes a couple of minutes to rinse it under the tap.

Thank you! Well, of course it continues, it's just that lately it's somehow unlucky, I have a dishwasher, and my husband's car is broken, our favorite toys are helpers. And a few more unpleasant moments.

Anyuta, we keep our fists for you!

Dear owners of the VEKO 6530 machine! I have to you - to ALL - a huge enormous request! I urgently need your help in testing the PMM ... More precisely, it is necessary to conduct "reconnaissance in force" .... Help is as follows ... I ask you to set the salt value to 5 and "drive" the machine on a 20-minute program at least two times. If someone initially has a salt value of 5, please tell me if this program works correctly? That is, it does not jump in time, as it was with me? (I wrote above .. but I repeat .. on a 20-minute prog, it washes normally up to 10 minutes, then jumps to 24 minutes and mine again 24 minutes, a total of 34 minutes on this program).

Now a separate question for Sasha and Zhenya ... boys, here YOUR comments are just awful as necessary ...
So, after calling the service and telling me about his problem, the man began to drive me such nonsense ... or maybe not nonsense ... That's just what I want to hear from you - how much is true what he told me (I will try to use the vocabulary used master) ...
In short ... The first thing that struck me was that he said that when the master leaves for scrap (for repairing PMM), "universal" / standard testing will be done, which will consist in some kind of diagnostics for a set-drain of water, water pressure in pipes and network voltage. Only on the basis of these parameters will a conclusion be made about whether my PMM is operational or not. That is, no one is going to watch how the PMM will jump in time during operation .. And if the above indicators are normal, then I will have to pay for the arrival of the master on a "false call". Is it true or not?
Second… Service center made a request .. ATTENTION… TO TURKEY…. To the manufacturer's plant…. In order to translate all the technical documentation to find out the algorithm of the PMM .. And in particular ... Supposedly, at the maximum setting of the salt value in the middle of the cycle, regeneration occurs, that is, the "smart machine" receives some kind of signal about some kind of run out of gel. .. and the car starts to wash again ... To the question of what kind of gel it was, they did not answer me .. they said .. literally ... this is their "know-how" .... What is this garbage, I still do not understand ... So, Zhenya, Sasha! I am specifically interested in a bunch of words algorithm of work + regeneration + some kind of gel + "know-how" ... Which of this can be considered true?
And it was also something like that said that such a jump occurs as a result of the determination of the PMM of the content of something in the water ... Can the PMM determine what is contained in the water? Reasoning now with myself, I think, if I could, it is obvious that I exposed the value of salt myself!
And yet, having told him that I would ask him to test at least a couple more people (I know that I do not have one such PMM on the forum) to trigger this "know-how", they answered me ... Well, you just connect ALL cars to one drain and one sockets…. And what is the relationship with the "gel in PMM" ...
By the way, the first version that the master put forward to me is the wrong connection to the drain ... to the question What does electronics have to do with the drain and why, then, with a different salt value, the machine works normally, it simply "blocked" ...

There is no gel, only resin. Some PMMs determine, very approximately, the degree of contamination of dishes in Automatic mode by the degree of transparency of the "broth", that is, washes from dishes during preliminary washing and at the same time can slightly adjust the time and temperature of the water, some PMM do this according to data from the previous wash. Testing methods depend on the type of PMM, brand and experience of the master, in any case, he should pay attention to the complaint and check it at the beginning.

[do it according to the data from the previous wash.]

Some PMMs determine, very approximately, the degree of contamination of dishes in the Automatic mode by the degree of transparency of the "broth", that is, washes from dishes during preliminary washing and at the same time can slightly adjust the time and temperature of the water, some PMM do it according to the data from the previous wash.

Sasha, in my PMM an aquasensor on the Auto program determines the turbidity of the water when 6 minutes remain until the end of the work and after that it often adds additional operating time, as a rule, the display shows a time of 30 minutes. There are options for 28-32 minutes, on which I did not understand exactly, like on the temperature of the water at the inlet (in winter it is ice in the pipe).

So, new data from the "battlefield" .. supposedly my machine, after consuming 9 liters of water, requires (the master's favorite word) "regeneration". On a mini-sink for 20 minutes, some, more precisely, these 9 liters are not enough, therefore, again, "regeneration" occurs and the machine starts additional. cycle for another 24 minutes ...


SASHA !!!! .. decipher what kind of nonsense ...

The Turks also answered .. there is "know-how" in the typewriter .... (again, it is not clear which one) and the user should not care what and how he washes in the typewriter ...

[* Anyuta *]

* Anyuta * I do not know how the regeneration of the ion-exchange resin with a saline solution in this PMM takes place, apparently they are "embarrassed" to reveal this process. Although it's strange ... as far as I remember, my PMM has a maximum water consumption of 13 liters for the entire sink.

are "embarrassed" to reveal. Although it's strange ... as far as I remember, my PMM has a maximum water consumption of 13 liters for the entire sink.

I'm just confused .. if after 9 liters there is a regeneration, then why only in this program? My machine basically does not use less water ...

In short, I am now interested in the question .. is it a "jamb" or a norm?
I repeat ... the deviation from the figures declared by the manufacturer is 75%

The Turks also answered .. there is "know-how" in the typewriter .... (again, it is not clear which one) and the user should not care what and how he washes in the typewriter ...

It's like in the film with Celentano "Velvet Hands" a secret remedy for impenetrable glass (he spat a stoll there).

[* Anyuta *]

* Anyuta * You have additional regeneration going on, as I understand it, at the maximum salt settings and, accordingly, the operating time of the PMM is added, it is just that this is not displayed either in the documentation or programmatically by the PMM itself, therefore, the time jumps.The bad news is that this is not in the instructions, and the service cannot really explain anything.

[* Anyuta *]

* Anyuta * You have additional regeneration going on, as I understand it, at the maximum salt settings and, accordingly, the operating time of the PMM is added, it is just that this is not displayed either in the documentation or programmatically by the PMM itself, therefore, the time jumps. The bad news is that this is not in the instructions, and the service cannot really explain anything.

so ... according to the instructions from the site (at home I have exactly other values) water consumption = 11.8 liters ... the request was made to the Turks - the Turks are also mumbling something ... The question is ... why is there a longer program of this kind not happening? At the same water consumption? Why did not this "regeneration" take place before, and at maximum salt several times the soap was normal ???
People, are you suggesting that you sue the manufacturer now? For inaccuracy / inadequacy of the information printed in the instructions ...

People, are you suggesting that you sue the manufacturer now? For inaccuracy / inadequacy of the information printed in the instructions ...

No, I don’t offer. I would have the patience and strength, I would not have enough for this occupation
I don't even know what to say, it is necessary to conduct an examination, maybe it should work like that. If not, then this is disgusting on the part of the manufacturer. And the worst thing is that the manufacturer in this situation does not give clear instructions to the service, this is generally beyond the scope of

Okay, I'll ask a question differently ... does this also happen in other machines? Or is it just Veko's?

[gas]

If not, then this is disgusting on the part of the manufacturer. And the worst thing is that the manufacturer in this situation does not give clear instructions to the service, this is generally beyond the scope of

Sasha, okay at least these are Turks, but the other day I just had a branch of the eternal flame due to the fault of the ariston gas hob, which did not work even 2 years from the purchase with the declared 10 years !! service life, and the husband untwisted it - and everything is not twisted inside, a siphon from under all the joints (although there is practically nothing on the two combs). Moreover, on one comfort, there is clearly a factory marriage - I wrote a letter to Ariston ... and silence. But this gasthat's why the people explode due to the fault of such grief producers.
But because of 5 thousand I most likely will not sue, but after all, I could have lost at least 6 lamas due to the fault of this fucking panel.
And all this time saved us that the gas is bottled and the volume of the room is huge.

[ALL]

No, damn it, well, stupid and stubborn I ... what to do .. I argue this way ... if regeneration occurs, then logically it should occur on ALL programs ...

question: why only mows ONE?

due to the fault of the ariston gas hob

That's why I do not like neither Ariston nor Indesid