Dishwasher selection (2)

[Scarecrow, Natasha]

Scarecrow, Natasha! Thank you very much for the advice about "Fairy drop on the door".
It's just a life hack !!! It really works.
Thank you!

[OlgaGera]

OlgaGera,

No, this is really dofiga. I have 2-3 meters (there is a boiler in the next room). And condensation drying. It seems. I don’t remember anything)). We must take a look.



Tricia,
Everyone is usually very afraid to do this, it seems to them that the foam will climb out of all the cracks and all manufacturers are scared - do not try and all that)). Well, yes, they also need to sell funds for PMM))). I'm kind of a risky person and I tried it a few years ago anyway. No, I don't wash my Fae, of course, but I liked rinsing. Less and less dirt gurgles and is then smeared on a typewriter into the main sink. Because pre-cooking with cold water on greasy dishes - you yourself understand. Only the most "garbage" will wash away.

No, this is really dofiga.

and mine almost diagonally, from the base to the top. It's not meant to be
Can I persuade the washing machine to connect

[OlgaGera]

OlgaGera,

Ol, washing machines do not seem to be connected !! If for PMM hot water is a blessing, then washings are very often below 50 and even 40 degrees. And what should she do with this water ?? cool ??))) I also ventilated this issue in my car and it seems like it's not there. For example, my system is set to 50 degrees. Wool is erased at all at 30. That is, it will be tryndets)).

[Scarecrow]

Scarecrow, Natasha, I tried your way with a drop of Fairy. I liked it very much! I have a filter at the bottom, which all the time after the end of the program is somehow greasy, in a bloom. And Fairey dripped and could not believe her eyes, the filter is clean. The beauty! Thanks for the idea!

Nothing for "you"?

washing machines do not seem to be connected !!

Yes?
I definitely need to connect. Why would he just keep the water hot ... We need to think

Wool is generally washed at 30.

I wash with cold water with hair shampoo

Yes, for a drop of Fae, a separate respect!

[caprice23]

caprice23,

That's right, this thing degreases, does not allow fat in cold water to stand up with a stake, that is, to freeze.
To me, everything is practically "you", I myself do not even notice to everyone.)) Therefore, everything is OK, do not worry)).

OlgaGera,
Yes, it seems like there is wear and tear on everything (because they are designed for cold water), and the loss of flexibility in temperature regulation (it can heat up, but not reduce it), etc. So - I did not risk my expensive washing machine with electronic brains so rape. Hot plugging is not provided for by the instructions. I have Mile.

I have Mile.

me too

[OlgaGera]

OlgaGera,

So don't offend her! Hands off))

[Scarecrow]

Scarecrow, I want to ask about the fairies. Should it be exactly "Fairy"? What if I use AOS or some other tool?

[Scarecrow]

Scarecrow, I want to ask about the fairies. Should it be exactly "Fairy"? What if I use AOS or some other tool?

No problem. The manufacturer is not important.

[Scarecrow]

Scarecrow, Thank you

No, I don't wash my Fae, of course, but I liked rinsing. Less and less dirt gurgles and is then smeared on a typewriter into the main sink. Because pre-cooking with cold water on greasy dishes - you yourself understand. Only the most "garbage" will wash away.

It seems that my Bosch heats the water on preliminary rinsing.

I also do not understand how to do preliminary without detergent. Unless the fat is more evenly spread over the dishes and the insides of the machine ...)) At first, the same powder was poured, then, when I switched to tablets, I began to pour soda ash.At the same time, stir up the water so that the auto program does not take the dishes for clean.

But I didn’t experiment with Feyrik, I must try. I just found in the closet a five-liter bucket of German, really better washes than ours.

I have the same thing.
The masters dissuaded me. The boiler / boiler is not nearby. Hot water will have time to cool down. Entering the machine in small portions. It just won't have time to drive the water away. A fur coat on pipes will not save.
Voshchem refused the money. Motivating that then it will still be altered to the old scheme. But my distance is 15 meters.

Not a gas boiler is in the kitchen, up to 6-7 meters, but my husband says that if she washes impulsively like a washing machine, then she will torment the boiler with her switch-ons. in the end, he said do not save on the world, we make eyeliner of cold water.

[Margonica]

Margonica,

Olya and I have boilers. Therefore, nobody torments the boiler. The boiler does not respond to a small outflow / refill.

[Margonica]

Margonica,

Olya and I have boilers. Therefore, nobody torments the boiler. The boiler does not respond to a small outflow / refill.

we have a gas boiler in our house, not a boiler, which also works to heat our apartment. and since my husband treats this very carefully and scrupulously, all this now costs not little money and a PPM and a gas boiler, we decided that it would be better to spend on electricity than later on buying new equipment.
You have not seen the electric shield, the husband, due to the fact that he bought new equipment, remade all the electrics, each has his own switch, it's good when the husband understands this))))
So I already agree with my husband here))
My oven is standing and the PPM in the garage is waiting for its connection hour, and this will be if everything works out only after a week ((((

we have a gas boiler at home, not a boiler

According to the plan, my dishwasher should have been just above the boiler. It turned out to be 2 meters. For this, I was a specialist and put a boiler so as not to pull the boiler.
But, I have seven Fridays a week, and the kitchen has moved to the bedroom ...))))

Girls, help me decide to buy a dishwasher! I never had it. In the kitchen (apartment building), next to the sink there is now a washing machine, and the only place where you can put the dishwasher is on the countertop above this washing machine. All other options will require replacement of all kitchen furniture. But you don't want to put a compact dishwasher. There are a lot of dirty dishes, not only plates and cups, but pots, bowls, bowls from food processors, and a bunch of other things from cooking. What if you put a 45 cm PMM on the worktop? If you remove the bottom of the 50 cm top cabinet, it will just fit in 45 cm high 84 cm. Do I need to buy a PMM with a front display and buttons? Or is it suitable for one with buttons on the top of the door? They seem to be pressed before you close the door? Or maybe I don't take into account something else, and there will be problems?

and there will be problems?

will be. How to load the car? to get up on the chair? Maybe a washing machine from the kitchen? In its place is a full-size PMM. and a washing machine You can think of maybe.

Why is it difficult to download? I thought that the upper basket (if only two, not three) would be at the height of my chin. Well, I'll raise my hands. Height 165 cm. Not enough?

[Ann-Anya]

Ann-Anya, and take us a photo of your kitchen, huh? And how many meters is the kitchen? There are a lot of people here, they will definitely advise the best option. My godfather took a 60 cm dishwasher out of the kitchen wall into the hallway, so as not to break the expensive kitchen set. The PMM was built in and sheathed with the same furniture boards as all the furniture in the hallway. All furniture is in one style. There is just a large curbstone, a hinged semi-open shelf on the curbstone. On the curbstone there are ladies' bags, umbrellas, charging for mobile phones., There is a shoe spoon. A curbstone and a curbstone, nothing remarkable, and no one except the initiates realizes that in fact, in the bowels of this curbstone, there is a 60 cm large dishwasher.

[Ann-Anya]

Ann-Anya, try loading the box. When you have everything open, then everything comes together.
In baskets you need to arrange, unfold.You will constantly stretch. And you will do all this from the side, since the door opens on you. Rehearse.

Khrushchev's apartment. And so the refrigerator (low) is already in the corridor, and above it is a niche with food processors and a dough sheeter, where I cook. In the kitchen itself, there is a large cooking stove, a large sink, a large washing machine, an oven, a freezer, a proofing cabinet, a multicooker, a table and chairs. And all this at 5 meters. The door was removed long ago. Jars of cereals and flour in a flat cabinet in the doorway. A piece of utensils (pressure cookers, large pots) in the cabinet in the room near the door from the kitchen. It’s a pity to buy new furniture and equipment. Yes and no especially. And I also feel sorry for the energy that was spent when all this economy was placed on our own five meters. Then we spent several months planning.

Rehearse.

Yes, I think I can. Well, as a last resort I will stand on a small stirrup (I'm nimble and not heavy). How is the dishwasher opened? Need to press the button on top? Or will the machine open itself? Is it harder to take out than load? And can you put pots on the top shelf? They're easier than stacking plates.

[Ann-Anya]

Ann-Anya, at the dishes, the entire front wall-door falls forward on you. Therefore, the approach will be from the side.)
It is better to wash the pots at the bottom, because there is more active washing. It is much easier to take out, because it is clean - you can grab several plates at once and pick them up.
If you absolutely grief with the place, then yes, either a table baby, or download from a stool. IMHO, if you want to live, you will not be so upset.

IMHO, if you want to live, you will not be so upset.

The absolute truth! I have a piano in my room right next to the cabinet door - it doesn't fit anywhere else. To get into the closet, you need to move this white elephant every time. And I'm pushing aside! Hunting is worse than bondage. And when will only residential meters become cheaper?

[Ann-Anya]

Ann-Anya, read my posts in the topics where I compare the desktop and 45 dishwashers. In a nutshell, the tabletop is not much less than 45. It is not half less, but about 1/3. The only inconvenience is that it occupies the countertop, but do not lean towards it, and there is one rocker in it, against two by 45. That is, it will not work to put in several layers, the dishes will be poorly washed. But you can not save up dishes, but cook, eat and put washed. At once. And you can download it again. Sometimes I turn it on twice a day. But I like it even better. For example, I save up plastic containers for a day and wash them in a more delicate sink with gel, not a nuclear pill. One bad thing is that if I drive several times a day, then wear is faster, and its price is not much cheaper. but I'm happy with the desktop, and if anything, that is, then only the desktop. I'm more comfortable with her.

[like]

Yes, like, I can. Well, as a last resort on a small stirrup I'll get up (I'm nimble and not heavy)

this highly traumatic! Think about it.

[Creamy]

Creamy, I was stunned by your story!
"In order not to break an expensive kitchen set" -
I would honestly chop it with an ax myself, but I built in a dishwasher. I can't imagine running around with dirty dishes, and then with clean dishes to the hallway from the kitchen and back.
By the way, we also altered the headset, since we bought the dishwasher four years after its installation. Now it is convenient, the PM stands next to the sink, you don't even need to step back a step, it is convenient to load and unload from the sink - a cabinet with dishes from above.
I'd rather move the washing machine somewhere, at least in the hallway. Americans who live in apartments generally go to laundry rooms in the basement floors. So I advise you to move the washing machine!

[Creamy]

If you want to live, you will not be so upset.

Len, I understand, of course. But there are boundaries.
Khrushchev can be taken into the room, which is next to the kitchen and there will be a TV stand.
Creamy, I liked the idea

So I advise you to move the washing machine!

the best option! PMM only in the kitchen. I can't even imagine running.
When planning the kitchen, now in a new house, PMM wanted to put it at a distance from the sink. I rehearsed in the old kitchen.I didn't like it.
rescheduled

In the kitchen itself, there is a large washing machine, a freezer,

Freezer - on the insulated balcony, not an essential thing.
Buy a vertical washing machine and put it in the bathroom.
Then the dishwasher will take its place in the kitchen.
I did not come up with this, I wrote about the permutation at the kuma.

I was not too lazy to draw a plan of an apartment with a kitchen and a hallway. Here the wall thickness between the kitchen sink and the hallway is only 10 cm! The motor does not strain to pump the drained water into the sewer. There is no door to the kitchen, it is replaced by an archway. I will be visiting the kuma and take a picture. Until then, the plan. The blue square is a sink in the kitchen, the yellow square is PMM, under the curbstone. Kuma has a block house in a corner entrance, a very successful layout of a large entrance hall of a complex configuration, thanks to which two sliding wardrobes, a hanger-hallway, a pedestal-PMM quietly enter the hallway. Too lazy to look for a series of houses, a corner entrance.

I was not too lazy to draw a plan of an apartment with a kitchen and a hallway. Here the wall thickness between the kitchen sink and the hallway is only 10 cm! The motor does not strain to pump the drained water into the sewer. There is no door to the kitchen, it is replaced by an archway. I will be visiting the kuma and take a picture. Until then, the plan. The blue square is a sink in the kitchen, the yellow square is PMM, under the curbstone. Kuma has a block house in a corner entrance, a very successful layout of a large entrance hall of a complex configuration, thanks to which two sliding wardrobes, a hanger-hallway, a pedestal-PMM quietly enter the hallway. Too lazy to look for a series of houses, a corner entrance.



For example, in order to place the PPM and not deprive myself of the meters I needed for the desktop, and space for all other kitchen utensils, the refrigerator went into the corridor. Yes, you have to run 2.5 meters)) but as if fitness if that))))

It is not half less, but about 1/3.

I'm afraid my compact PMM will work not two, but all five times a day. I have not only dishes from food, but also from cooking.

What's the largest pot (diameter and height) you have that fits into a compact one? Well, and if only one pan fits in, then I'm afraid I won't want to drive one pmm with it. Then the PMM will only wash the cups-plates, and everything else by hand - pots, a bowl of dough, all sorts of bowls, forms, two bottles of sourdough (I feed them every day, I don't put them in the refrigerator), a meat grinder from a food processor (and I have it steel, not aluminum, and I could wash it in the dishwasher ... eh ...). It is these dishes that annoy me more. If dirty dishes can be neatly stacked at least in a pile, then everything from cooking falls into the sink, and you need to wash it urgently, otherwise there is nothing to do in the kitchen.

I'm going to look at the pmm in the store on Monday and take a tape measure. Maybe take a saucepan (for the sake of completeness, so to speak)?

it is very traumatic! Think about it.

Yes, of course, it would be better to stand on the floor. I even thought about a mobile PMM on wheels. But they seem to be only in America. You can see on YouTube (by request How to use a portable dishwasher or The SPT SD-9241W is the best portable dishwasher you can buy) how they look and how easy they are to connect. It would be possible to embed the second mixer into the sink, and connect the PMM to it, and use the other as a regular mixer.
American, unfortunately, 110 volts. Where can I get one for 220? Nobody saw this on sale?

Freezer - on the insulated balcony, not an essential thing.
Buy a vertical washing machine and put it in the bathroom.

We thought about it when we were buying everything. Unfortunately, we can't go out onto the balcony - the concrete slab is crumbling. We were even given a prescription not to go out. It stands empty, and the balcony door below is blocked by furniture. And I use the freezer very often. And the washing machine, firstly, will hardly fit into the bathroom, even a narrow one, even with a top load. There you won't turn around at all, and you won't get out of the bath normally.

I was not too lazy to draw a plan of an apartment with a kitchen and a hallway.

This is the hallway! Unfortunately, we are only 1.1 meters wide and 2.5 meters long. We have lockers for street clothes and shoes along it, custom made with a depth of 30 cm and that's it. A part of the area has already been "bitten off" from the room - into a niche with a refrigerator and a worktop, and onto a cabinet for large dishes.

Yes, you have to run 2.5 meters)) but as if fitness if that))))

Yes, I run from sink to worktop with food processors too! And I also look at it as fitness! ))

[Ann-Anya]

Ann-Anya, I wash my dishes every two days (I have 45 cm) load-already bursting. Places two small pots in the lower basket - the rest of the plate. The upper basket contains cutlery, cups and tureens. Not my teflon bowls from the multicooker were never there, nor were the pans.
And is this compact one that is the size of a microwave? This is not even worth considering - this is a wash for a lonely pensioner

American, unfortunately, 110 volts.

There are step-down transformers.

And is this compact one that is the size of a microwave? This is not even worth considering - this is a wash for a lonely pensioner

Have you used it? Its capacity is not much less than the usual one by 45 cm. I myself was very surprised when I discovered this, and not "by eye", but with the same dishes that were washed at 45 cm.

There are step-down transformers.

Thank you. I looked. It's a pity they are bulky. But I'll think about it. At the price of such an American machine, it turns out $ 450 and $ 450 delivery from America (looked at shopfans) - that is, about 60-65 thousand rubles. Not so bad, of course, but a little expensive. But I also found this: Americans also put ordinary dishwashers on wheels. The only problem there is that the machine does not tip over forward when loading and unloading. Mobiles have a built-in weight in the back for balance. In homemade options, dumbbells or weights or bricks are placed in the back of the mobile support. Or they make fasteners from the back removable to the wall or table top (such as a clamp) - to fasten it at the time when you load and unload. Need to think. Maybe here to buy some good freestanding pmm of 45 cm and put it on a platform on wheels. I'll go and measure the place near the freezer door and think about what could be used as a counterweight. You can probably make something like a low stand-bedside table (30 centimeters high) down, put it on wheels, and put a load inside. Eh, I don’t have enough dumbbells ... Or without a bedside table, and fasten it to the window sill when loading from behind. Well, we need to find out if it is possible to attach an American double pipe to my mixer and to a Boshevsky, for example, dishwasher, as in the video on YouTube ...

Ann-Anya, I wash my dishes every two days (I have 45 cm), I load them, they are already cracking. Places two small pots in the lower basket - the rest of the plate. The upper basket contains cutlery, cups and tureens. Not my teflon bowls from the multicooker were never there, nor were the pans.
And is this compact one that is the size of a microwave? This is not even worth considering - this is a wash for a lonely pensioner

It seems to me that if I have 45 cm, then I would be able to wash once or twice a day: below the dishes from cooking, above all the glass, porcelain-faience and cutlery. And with a compact one, I'm afraid I'll have to load and unload all day ... I don't even have Teflon in multicooker. I bought steel bowls for them. They heat up easily and, interestingly, I never burned anything in them. The multicooker turned off and that's it.

Its capacity is not much less than the usual one by 45 cm. I myself was very surprised when I discovered this, and not "by eye", but with the same dishes that were washed at 45 cm.

Wow! I'll try to take a dash from the kitchenaid with me when I go to the dishwasher store to measure. If something else fits with it, this is an option. What model do you have?

[Ann-Anya]

Ann-Anya, you were given a great idea above to think over where to rearrange the washing machine in order to free up space for the PMM. It's all about loading and unloading.
It is easy to load the washing machine: we put the sorted dry in the basin !!! linen, brought to the car and loaded.
And in a dishwasher it will not work. We put dirty dishes in it. Shake off coarse residues from the dishes, while dirty dishes may drip. There is work like throwing the trash, bending over and putting it in the rmm. We turn the dishes upside down, otherwise they will not wash out inside.
The door to the car opens towards itself so that it is parallel to the floor. Watch the video how to download PMM and you will understand.

But you are on the right track! Without pmm with a lot of dishes, it's very bad!
Indeed, make a drawing of the kitchen and the surrounding area, maybe we will rearrange your washing machine, and in its place, pm-;) finally, put the freezer - :)
Success to you!

Well, I don’t know ... Maybe Anna has a crazy idea, but until you try it, you don’t know.
Moreover, in some places there is a desire to raise the dishwasher for convenience.)) And I must say, for me personally, such options as in the photo are very nice. But I also like the oven at chest level. And people in the topic of choosing a tabletop motivate precisely by the fact that they do not want to bend down, so they buy the second one.

[Lena]

Lena, the photo shows the optimal height. Above it will no longer be convenient.
Here you can reach and see everything. The machine is below the table top.
The height of the table top is 85-90 and plus the height of the machine is 85.

And the washing machine, firstly, will hardly fit into the bathroom, even a narrow one, even with a top load. There you won't turn around at all, and you won't get out of the bath normally.

You can install a washing machine under the sink (if there is one), but it will have to be replaced, for example, with the SANTEK Pilot. The price of the issue is 3.5 tons.

Have you used it? Its capacity is not much less than the usual one by 45 cm. I myself was very surprised when I discovered this, and not "by eye", but with the same dishes that were washed at 45 cm.

Yes, I had a sad experience of use.
And in terms of capacity, it cannot be the same a priori, since it goes for 6 sets of dishes and has one basket for loading, and for 45-12 sets and two baskets.

I honestly write that the pmm tabletop is 1/3 less than 45 cm.And you cannot stuff the dishes into it one by one, because one rocker can wash poorly. And I bought a second tabletop because I stayed 45 in the sold apartment, which I sold together with the kitchen. The washing machine remained there. In a kitchen set. And my dishes moved with me. And yes, I find it much more convenient to use the desktop one, for many reasons. And it is possible that if you have a very large amount of dishes, you need more PMM. But, it is better to load and unload the desktop several times than to wash it by hand.

[Lenusya,]

to me, such options as in the photo are very nice.

Thanks for the pictures! I really like it too! And here is the dishes above the head of the retractable column. True, it will be narrower than 45 cm ...

Yes, I had a sad experience of use.

Lenusya, I found here that there is (or in any case, there was - if not discontinued) dishwasher with a height of 60 cm Boshevskaya for installation in a column. That is, it is not 40 cm high as compact, but also not 83 as tall. Maybe Chamomile has this? But I did not see her, they only told me about her.

You can install a washer under the sink

I don't want a little washing machine. I have a big one, it fits a lot, and therefore you can wash less often. The apartment has only 3.5 kWh of energy. You cannot turn on two large devices at the same time. When I wash in the machine, I can't turn on the iron or the oven: the machines are knocking out. And if there is still a dishwasher, then in general it will be necessary to draw up a schedule of what and in what order to include. So I need a big washer to wash a lot at a time.

I honestly write that the pmm desktop is 1/3 less than 45 cm.

Please write a model!

knocks out machines. And if there is still a dishwasher, then in general it will be necessary to draw up a schedule of what and in what order to include.

And I can't have everything at the same time.
It turned out that this was not a problem at all. Now all equipment is equipped with a timer with a delayed start. Indeed, sometimes I launch all the gadgets, having previously drawn up a schedule in my head. Sometimes, the oven will last for 1.5 hours, then after 2 hours (that is, 30 minutes I give the fan the opportunity to cool the oven completely) the washing machine will start. I have a washing machine with a dryer, it needs about 5 hours to wash and dry. This means that the dishwasher should turn on after 7 hours. So the whole evening is scheduled until morning.

And here is the dishes above the head of the retractable column

I don’t like that .. although God didn’t offend me with a little stump, and my arms are longer than normal. Not convenient. And put the car there ... look.

So the whole evening is scheduled until morning.

So the whole evening is scheduled until morning.

Well, I still have something like this for every day in my head. I'll have to try it on paper. And with a delayed start. Thanks for the advice.

I have another problem, sometimes the water pressure drops, the washing machine is understandable, when it washes, then in another place the water pressure will be less and at the same time I will not turn on the washing machine and the PPM.
But here's how the PPM will behave if suddenly the water pressure decreases, it just happens so you wash your hands and the pressure is gone. a small stream pours like that, then a minute passes and again the pressure is large.

sometimes the water pressure drops

private house?
If it is private, then you can put a pump that increases the water pressure. It is not difficult, and you can put it at the entrance.
I know that in Moscow they were staged in high-rise buildings.

private house?
If it is private, then you can put a pump that increases the water pressure. It is not very difficult, and you can put it at the entrance.
I know that in Moscow they were staged in high-rise buildings.

the fact of the matter is that the house is not private, but not large with 8 apartments.
you need to ask your husband or our repairmen.