Dishwasher selection (2)

my tea plaque is also not always washed off

yeah, and mine.
Tea deposits are considered to be highly contaminated.
It is necessary to wash such dishes on a long program, like heavily soiled dishes.
I also noticed. Different cups, washed in different ways. That is, the coating of the cups is different and is washed from it in different ways.

I saw dishes with dried food,

I am at my place too.
I messed up the program. It happens that a spoonful of rice is not washed. But this is already my joint.
Dried food may also come from improperly positioned dishes.
Take the trouble, read the instructions for the car. There will be no unwashed dishes right away and in the machine, indeed, you can fit 14 sets ... even if it is 12))))

I sin on myself that sometimes I don't put the cups steadily.

I also thought so, because his mug was a little tilted, well, once mine was washed (and it is always washed worse), it means that it was unlikely that it was about the capsules, next time I will put this mug differently for peace of mind)

Girls, dear, I just can't decide on the choice of a dishwasher. Bosches used to be good. Now there are a lot of complaints about them, in new ones, mainly, the bottom is plastic. I look towards those around 50 thousand, cheap asko, Miele. Also complaints, not all are washed. Then why overpay? I looked at midea, with full functionality, too, already 30 thousand. For a Chinese, it's expensive, in my opinion. I'm at a loss what to take? I need a free-standing, full-size, one requirement that there is a high-quality sink. I would like to keep within 30 thousand. In extreme cases, 50 thousand.

[Igch]

Igch, we will also buy PMM. We cannot make a choice. While considering Kuppersberg GL 6088... Now in Oldie until October 10, discounts on equipment - 10%

It is built-in.

cheap asko

I have asko. Buy. You will not regret. Repairable. You can do it yourself by purchasing a spare part. Clumsy enough. But it washes.

It's expensive for a Chinese

essesna. Take a Swede

Girls and boys. Gathered to take Bosch-written German in the assembly. Little programs. But not too much. How is the car? otherwise the Bosch washer was criticized for me

[mowgli]

mowgli, on men's forums usually after such posts they say "telepaths on vacation".))
WHAT can we say without knowing the model, programs, or temperatures ...

Here is such

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[mowgli]

mowgli, Natalia, I have a Bosch 60 cm, all all-metal, assembly Germany, aquastop. I use only two programs, large soiling at 70 degrees for 2.5 hours (no more than once or twice a month) and every day at 45 degrees for 29 minutes. Washes well. I bought it 8 years ago for 26 thousand rubles.

A very valuable express program for 29 minutes, everything is washed, I take out dry hot clean creaking dishes. And for all 29 minutes!

A very valuable express program for 29 minutes, everything is washed, I take out dry hot clean creaking dishes. And for all 29 minutes!

You are very lucky. In my Boch, the short program also lasts 29 minutes, but the dishes do not dry on this program. Only a wash and 2 rinses are included in the program. There are no complaints about the quality of dishwashing either, there are just complaints about the quality. I bought it almost a year ago, after 1.5 weeks I went to the service for almost 3 weeks, but they fixed it, now it is trying to rehabilitate itself for that joint, but I still remember it to her)))

And I have a quick program at Siemens. She is also without drying.

So my godfather heard enough about my super convenient short program, and bought herself a dishwasher with some very long name, and so her machine on the short program also only washes, does not dry dishes. So she adapted, she washes on a short program, then puts the wet dishes on the dryer and there she dries up. It turns out that I have such a convenient short program with Bosch. really lucky.

[mowgli]

mowgli, the first, probably. There is a third tray for small and cutlery.
The weakest point that I see in the pictures is the awkward guides in the boxes, at least in the lower one it doesn’t look like the upper one cannot be seen . (and it doesn't matter that I have not included this program in my life)

It is not yet clear whether the middle basket is adjustable in height, but it seems to be. Ideally, of course, you need to touch and move in the store. And then the descriptions on the Internet are so slippery ... Or at least to look at the pictures on the same Refrigerator - I don't know a site richer in this regard.

And I have a quick program at Siemens.

I have it with drying, the whole program is 45 minutes (Siemens insert, narrow).

So, Lena. This will be my 3rd dishwasher. Therefore, knowing that we use 2-3 of our favorite programs, I do not really bother about this. Yes, folding grates are good in the lower basket.
It's just that in the topic about the washing machine, everyone told me that Bosch is disgusting, so I just wanted to ask the Bosch owners how PMM is in action. Especially from those who have recently bought. And if you bought another company, then why

[mowgli]

mowgli, I have a freestanding Bosch 45 cm for 8 years already, everything in it suits me. I mainly use a short program, the time of which depends on the occupancy of the car from 26 to 40 minutes. My gels.

Girls, there is no need to compare cars bought 8-10 years ago and 4-5 years old. It is said to be in one famous city, two big differences. New cars are already initially sharpened for breakdowns in 3-4 years, according to the masters themselves. I have Siemens 5 years old - 2 repairs, which cost 2/3 of the cost of the car. For example, one of the breakdowns is the springs on the door. Initially, plastic fasteners were installed, but in the repair kit there is a completely different fastening system, more durable, I saw the difference with my own eyes. The question is, why can't you put one like this right away? The last renovation is the replacement of the heating element. In old cars, it can be replaced separately and the repair will be quite budgetary, but in new ones, like mine, a whole block changes (ten, a gearbox, something else) and the repair costs already 20,000 (12,000 spare parts and 8,000 work). But with all this, the masters say that Bosch and Siemens are still the best in their price category. Better than Miele, but this is a completely different price category.

I have a Bosch, 60, built-in, it has been working for exactly a year, mmm. Both sisters also have buildings, 45, work for three years, mmm.
Mine from Slovenia - I asked for advice on the trunk, my sisters were German, they put one with the kitchen - they immediately advised me in the salon

I have Siemens German. True, I use it mercilessly -2, or even 3 times a day.

8000 work

with self-esteem, everything is normal for your masters
When the master repaired the washing machine for me at one time, he said that now it was not at all difficult to repair the units - he took out the block, inserted it, not that before - it is still necessary to get to a separate part and it is not always convenient to disconnect / attach.

[Irina]

Irina, I turned to the officials, they are always more expensive than in an ordinary workshop. I don’t know how the washing machine works, but to replace this block, the machine was half disassembled, otherwise it’s impossible to get close to it.
Now, of course, he left his phone and in case of a breakdown I will call him, bypassing the service and the cost of the work will be cheaper.

bypassing the service

usually we try to "get our" master

Siemens 5 years old - 2 repairs, which cost 2/3 of the cost of the car.

why do they break? in principle, there is nothing to break there.
My pump hose was leaking. But this is already my fault, they left in the village for the winter and did not drain all the water. Was giving an error. bought, replaced it myself.
For 20 years, the powder cap has stopped closing, the spring has rusted ... And let it be. Pills rule ...

I wrote about the spring in the door. Initially, the service life is set at 3 years. Then they change to a spring with a stronger mechanism. Again, I will write, I use the machine 1 time every day, always 2-3 times a day when I cook, that is, at least 10-14 times a week. The master did not recommend keeping the door half-open at 45 degrees, but we did not practice it.
Well, the teng burned out after 4.5 years. Again, according to the master, the service life of this unit is usually about 7 years. Again, it depends on the intensity of use. My friend Bosch is already 15 years old, but she turns it on 3 times a year. In this mode, the car will serve her for another 20 years))).

Not in the subject. If there are traces of drops and powder on the dishes, do you need to add rinse aid? Despite being a soap tablet?

do you need to add a rinse aid?

Most likely, adjust the water hardness

Can it change?

And the hardness can change, and the properties of the resin, and the composition of the detergent ...

Girls, here's the thing, I read, sho I could not poke the details of the meat grinder, but the passion for experiments did a bad deed. In general, everything was washed perfectly, except for a shiny metal tray, where we put the meat. Blackened, straight with some kind of divorce. It seems like someone wrote that they managed to clean this byaka. Respond, who is this craftsman, HELP!
I already scrubbed: with dish soap, alcohol, vinegar, liquid soap, smeared with toothpaste, rubbed with nail polish remover. Nifiga. It tears off with a metal brush, but, I suppose, together with a part of pure metal, it comes out in some scratched stripes. Yes, and it is also not easily rubbed off and torn off
Well at least the rest hasn't turned black.
I didn't wash the knife myself and the grate. Meat grinder Kenwood professional.

[Tanya]

Tanya, once my girlfriend put the screw auger from the meat grinder into my dishwasher, but I didn't see it, he washed well, only then, when scrolling the sinewy meat, he grunted, the part on which the sleeve was put on broke off, I had to buy a new auger, and he was years old 7 ago it cost 2 tyr, though I didn’t have a meat grinder, now I don’t remember the name, but how I bought a new auger, took my mother-in-law and forgot ...

It seems like someone wrote that they managed to clean this byaka. Respond, who is this craftsman, HELP!

I washed with AOS a couple of times, everything is clean, not black, does not get dirty

[Mandraik Ludmila]

Mandraik Ludmila, Luda, my auger was washed perfectly, I will make sure that its mechanical properties have not suffered, I washed it on a short program for 30 minutes 35 degrees.
V-tina, Tina, Look for AOC, is this a gel?

Girls, here's the thing, I read, sho I could not poke the details of the meat grinder, but the passion for experiments did a bad deed. In general, everything was washed perfectly, except for the shiny metal tray, where we put the meat. Blackened, straight with some kind of stain. It seems like someone wrote that they managed to clean this byaka. Respond, who is this craftsman, HELP!
I have already scrubbed with anti-grease, dishwashing liquid, alcohol, vinegar, liquid soap, smeared with toothpaste, rubbed with nail polish remover. Nifiga. It tears off with a metal brush, but, I suppose, together with a part of pure metal, it comes out in some scratched stripes. Yes, and it is also not easily rubbed off and torn off
Well at least the rest hasn't turned black.
I didn't wash the knife myself and the grate. Meat grinder Kenwood professional.

Sandpaper?

[Twig]

Twig, and will the sandpaper also scratch?

[Tanya]

Tanya, yeah, dishwashing liquid like Feri

First the one that scratches, then the one that grinds.
Well, this is not advice, but an assumption.

Thank you girls. I realized that it's better to take Bosch anyway.

And will the sandpaper also scratch?

And we will polish this thing with GOI paste.))

By the way, it was always interesting to try to remove blackness on silumin in this way, but not to stick your Brown into the dishwasher for this.

[Lenochka]

And we will polish this thing with GOI paste.))

What about the algorithm? With a cloth and a paste, then rinse, dry or what?

And then I, too, lazy, distinguished myself - stuck metal. part of the electric meat grinder (well, it did not look aluminum!) in the PMM. And everything, ku-ku Grin, all blackening. I cleaned it away so that it would not catch my eye, otherwise I was terribly upset. I thought maybe my husband would clean it, polish it ... But wherever there, this is not a lordly business, does not even remember about the meat grinder for a year

Lenochka, is it not toxic? And then how to wash it off? Just in normal mode or with households. soap, for example?

About PMM and Fairy: I continue to test "a drop on the door" - a super-duper flight! The PMM does not smell, the walls and bottom after washing the dishes are clean, and they already creak. Very happy. Now my husband is dripping like that, he noticed the difference.

[Tricia]

Tricia, well, the guys on GOI rule the knives and not all have died yet (c).)))
They say that a completely different chromium oxide is toxic, which is hexavalent and reddish in color.

But what prevents us from washing the parts thoroughly afterwards?

in some scratched stripes comes out

rubbed with soapy metal sponges. Such thin, disposable ... Well, yes, this will not be (((

About PMM and Fairy: I continue to test "a drop on the door" - a super-duper flight! The PMM does not smell, the walls and bottom after washing the dishes are clean, and they already creak. Very happy. Now my husband is dripping like that, he noticed the difference.

Girls, but I didn't catch it. Is it on any program you drip on the door or just not the one where there is no pre-rinsing? I wash with powder. Or do you do this if you use tablets, and if the powder is used and the program has a preliminary rinsing (for it, I pour the powder into a separate compartment), then don't you?

Oh, by the way, just finished scrubbing the black. I soaked the parts in water with vinegar for several hours, then with sponges with a rough side (and in some places a metal one), with the detergent "Drop", rubbed off little by little. But, of course, there is no mirror shine, but there is no blackness either. I read about vinegar in the internet, but they boil in water with vinegar, but I did not dare to boil, especially since there is a plastic sleeve inside the body parts, I just poured hot water into a bucket from the tap (half a bucket somewhere), there is a quarter of a bottle of vinegar ... And I loaded the parts there. For four hours. Maybe I should have left it until morning, I just couldn't sleep, I would have thought - how they were there, maybe even worse made them. ))

[Tanya]

Tanya, Mona1, yes, I wash with tablets on a regular program, without pre-rinsing.

Thanks for the info about "blackness". I still have to look for Goi pasta, how I can find it, but I will polish it, I will also put at least some part in the vinegar, it will not be worse, I think.

About PMM and Fairy

Thanks for reminding
I forgot to take my thanks to the Scarecrow
I also really liked it with a drop of gel on the PMM door.

about my super convenient short program,

I have the same Bosch, probably, I have the same program.
I don't know if I'm right.
But when the dishes are not greasy, there is no tablet on this program and everything is also perfectly washed, clean and dry ..
People what a drop of Feri on the door of the PM and only Feri fits ??

The instructions for my car do not recommend constant washing on a short program. Mine only occasionally, when I really need it.
Drying and temperature controlled by me.

The people what a drop of Feri on the door of the PM and only Feri fits?

Dishwasher selection (2) # 4353
instead of Fairy, I don't have it, but I have to buy it, I dripped Sanox-gel a couple of times, washed the jars on the "glass" program, which were from the balcony, then put on a short program just with water, I liked it.

The instructions for my car do not recommend constant washing on a short program. Mine only occasionally, when I really need

And why not often wash on a short, new course? I mostly mine on it.The dishes are not greasy, if there is fat, I brush it with the leftover food into the trash with a napkin

With the Fae really matter. My gratitude to the scarecrow, I carry every wash

And why not often wash on a short, new course?

Nope, they didn't say.
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