Dishwasher selection (2)

[Mona1]

Mona1, I bought a desktop one. It takes up a lot of space, but it's convenient to use.

[Mona1]

How does who load and unload the machine? Sitting on a stool next to you or bowing to every plate?

Mona1, Tanya, the upper basket is standing, but my height is not high, how tall ladies and gentlemen cope, I do not know, maybe they will unsubscribe. The lower basket - bowing, but as already written above, there are pots, large salad bowls, bowls - you can't fit much, forks-spoons into the basket - I take everything in one fell swoop and put them in the basket. But I think it won't work with a stool. You also need to take each plate-cup in the sink, put it in the basket. It seems to me that it is inconvenient to turn around so much. Plus, I try not to collect the dishes in the sink or on the table, during cooking I put everything in the PMM at once, as a result, after eating, only add a little and start it.

[Mona1]

Mona1, I bought a desktop one. It takes up a lot of space, but it's convenient to use.

Olya, this is undoubtedly a huge plus of the desktop PPM, although you have to sacrifice space on the tabletop. And then 50/50 - who is better. Sometimes there is not enough space for this.

Olya, this is undoubtedly a huge plus of the desktop PPM, although you have to sacrifice space on the tabletop. And then 50/50 - who is better. Sometimes there is not enough space for this.

The relatives had one, they built it under the countertop.

Take only from manufacturers who have experience and experience in the production of this equipment, AEG-Elektrolux, Siemens-Bosch are in the forefront.

Oddly enough, but LG Electronics also produces excellent reliable PMMs (with direct drive, TrueSteam steam washing technology, and a special UV lamp for sterility). It's a pity, but they were delivered to us only for a couple of years, and now there are no official on sale ...

LG Electronics makes excellent, reliable PMMs (Direct Drive

Oh! Tell me how there is a direct drive of the dishes washes twists, huh?

[Bijou]

Bijou, some details here:

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As far as I understand, both in LG refrigerators and in LG dishwashers, DirectDrive technology is used in pumps that circulate freon / propane / water in a cycle. These pumps are really almost silent. In the office, there is an LG dishwasher in the kitchen, so you can't hear it at all when it's working ...

[Mona1]

Mona1indeed, for a not very healthy back, the loading of the lower basket is very sensitive. The bench will not work.
I try to arrange the dishes that I plan on in the Lower Tray and bend over and place them at once.
I also ask the younger household members to unload, they giggle at me. Do not understand. Anyway, if only they were healthy.
It's easier for my back to load the PMM once than to stand and wash in the sink.
Good luck and the dishwasher will help you!

Hello. I look after the dishwashers, I searched the Internet, my head is spinning. I read almost the whole topic, according to your recommendations, you need to buy Bosch or Siemens,

But now many say that the Bosch technique has deteriorated, then I looked at Siemens models (according to your recommendations), but I realized that this is the same Bosch, and the design and so on, it feels like the names are just different, and the assembly is identical. In general, I doubt whether it is worth taking Siemens now ?!

Today, in general, something fell in the online store for the company Hansa (Hansa), does anyone have one? What can you say about the PMM of this company?

I look 45 cm and 60
Maybe someone will write specific models, which ones are worth paying attention to.

Hansa's firm, does anyone have one?

I have Hansa in the city, he has been living for 9 years, I like the car, I have 45cm.

But now many say that the Bosch technique has deteriorated,

Maybe it depends on the country of production, in our family there are 3 Bosches of different widths, they have been working for a long time, they do not cause problems, their parents have been 45 since the late 90s.

[LenOk511]

LenOk511, I have Hans, however, only a couple of months. So far, quite satisfied.

[LenOk511]

LenOk511, we, almost everyone, indicated specific models. First of all, will you decide on 45 or do you want 60? Then decide on a budget. It is from these two starting points that one must dance.
Why do they say both Boche and Siemens, because they are of German origin, and this inspires more confidence than China. But in general, in such serious purchases, sometimes you need luck, yes, yes

If the room allows, then choose 60, standard baking sheets fit.
And then, I suggest you indicate those specific models that are available to you in your city. The owners may be here to respond.

My Hansa was made in Europe, now I won't say exactly where, maybe in Poland or Slovenia-Slovakia - I don't remember, but I don't buy large Chinese household appliances from the word at all

[Mandraik Ludmila]

Mandraik Ludmila, so no one argues. Here I adore the Slovak Goreny oven. And many people complain about dishwashers of the same brand.
Yes, both Bosch and Siemens need luck when buying. Only the likelihood of success also depends on the initial design.
Many years ago we squeaked from Indesit and Ariston, they still work for many.

[Tanya-Fanya]

Tanya-Fanya, it's just that earlier the quality of all equipment was higher, but now "bugs" are put into the equipment so that the equipment does not work for more than the required service life, or even until the end of the warranty
I have never had Indesites and Aristons, but my Boshik and my mother's Siemens are washing machines, they are already more than 20 years old, and TTT - they work so far

This is what we are talking about.

I look after PM, manufacturer Weissgauff, Germany. Does anyone use this or have you heard the reviews?

[tati-ana]

tati-ana, Domestic brand. The representative and owner of the Weissgauff trademark is a large wholesale company Megalex. The main market for Weissgauff equipment is Russia, as well as some CIS countries.

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[sazalexter]

sazalexter, thanks, enlightened. They position themselves as Germany. And as for the technique of their production, have you heard any reviews?

And in what price category are high-quality dishwashers now? Until 2014, good equipment cost around 20 thousand (not cool, but not budgetary either). How is it now? The range of prices for dishwashers is colossal, from 16 thousand to ... where to start counting?

[Igch]

Igch, The dishwasher electrolux was taken a year ago 22 thousand by 45 cm. So far, no complaints

Friends, enlighten, pzhalsta. Is it possible to push the dishwasher under the countertop with the hob, that is, how to put it under the hob? I have a VEKO PPM, not built-in. Nothing for the electronic unit? Well, or something else?

[Mona1]

Mona1, is it at what height do you have a countertop ??)) After all, the cookers usually protrude deeper down, and even 85 cm near the dishwasher.

Whether or not I don't know. It seems that they do not recommend building-in, and why not solo, if you really need it?

If the brewhouse is induction, then definitely not worth it And if it's simple, then I don't even know what to say

[Bijou]

Bijou, Mandraik Ludmila, thanks, I'll try to put it separately. And also immediately such a question - does someone have a reference, where to download a program for building a layout of a future kitchen? I saw here in Temko, they wrote the name. Well, I scored it in Google, came out a thousand links, went in one by one, clicked to download, so a lot of garbage downloaded to the computer, instead of a program, I picked up the virus, cleaned the computer. Does someone have a secure link?

I built my kitchen with the Ikea planner. Very comfortably. Then, with my own options, I ordered in the kitchen salon.

[Mona1]

Mona1, Tanya, go to the websites of stores, where there is a sale of kitchens, there are planners. As above Tanya-Fanya wrote Ikea or Leroy Merlin, or simply online stores also offer their planners to use.

[Tanya-Fanya]

Tanya-Fanya, Olya2017thanks girls. Found already in Ikea, I will try.

Tanyusha, first of all, very clearly measure all the distances from walls to pipes, to window sills and other obstacles. This will help to avoid mistakes in the future, for example, when the locker door cannot open.
Think about where it is most convenient for you to store this or that. Arrange boxes depending on this.
Good luck in such a difficult task!
But then you will enjoy the convenience in your favorite kitchen.

[Tanya-Fanya]

Tanya-Fanya, Tan, the catch is that I don’t know if I can move the hob to the right under the exhaust hole. There, a gas pipe runs horizontally (we have the first floor), it comes from the street to us at a height of about 2.20 from the floor, and from right to left it stretches half a wall and enters, as it were, a vertical pipe, which already supplies gas to all floors ... The exhaust hole is above this horizontal pipe, and our gas stove was originally to the left of the vertical pipe, that is, there is no longer a horizontal branch above it, apparently for safety reasons, so that the heat from the stove does not heat this horizontal pipe. We have no hood. And now I bought a cooker hood and decided to throw out the gas stove and buy a hob. The oven will stand against the opposite wall. I don’t know if it is now possible to put the hob under the exhaust hole or not, how to protect the pipe from the heat, or it may not heat up very much, the main heat will fly into the vent pipe? And I really want to move, otherwise the dishwasher is cramped there, if you leave it in place, well, or shove it under the cooking PPM, if possible, why I asked above.

[Mona1]

Mona1, Tanya, I have the same pipe at the same height, only the wiring comes from a common corridor, that is, it runs horizontally in the hallway, bath, toilet and in the kitchen
Initially, the stove (gas) stood under this pipe, I cut off my "branch", otherwise there were no flexible hoses before and my branch went to the plate itself along the wall, and when installing a new plate, I moved it to the side and it was impossible to do this without a flexible hose. So I see no contraindications to installing a plate under the pipe.

[Mona1]

Mona1, I can hardly imagine your verbal description. I'm sorry.
We live in a "stalinka", also gas, and in every apartment there is a hassle with these pipes.
During the renovation, I invited a gas man. I laid out the hand-drawn options where I would like to move this pipe. And she tortured him with such passion that, as in that joke ..., it was easier for him to agree to my version than to explain why it was impossible
If doubts gnaw at you, can you call a gasman?
Tanya, see the brewhouse? Now count up to her under the table top screwed on a flexible gas hose. He's dropped to the floor!
There is a hose on the floor to the left of the hob.

Now you see the ventilation mine. The hose rested against her. I had to run the hose past the corner of this nasty ventilation mine. Then the hose is hidden under the plasterboard wall and goes up to the connection with the stationary gas pipe. But I didn't have to cook anything.
My horizontal gas pipe, like yours, runs at a height of 2.20 m. Therefore, I made the upper cabinets close to this pipe. I have 4 levels in the upper cabinets.

This is an example for you to think about options.

And also, I think if you posted a drawing or a photo, here the girls would give you a lot of good advice.
Lyudochka has already given an option.

Success, Tanyusha!

[Mona1]

Mona1, by the way, I sewed up the pipe, its horizontal part was sewn up with drywall, so the gas workers who came with the check left an order to break the box Yeah shchaZ

[Mandraik Ludmila]

Mandraik Ludmila, miracles, Lyudochka!
Are these gasmen living on the moon? The mood is changing ?!
Above I described that I have a vertical part of the pipe under the drywall and there is a meter and a connection with a flexible gas hose.
It was under the control of a gas man.

[Mona1]

Mona1, I had a non-built-in dishwasher with the lid removed just under the countertop. The table top was warming up.
Sweet home is free and intuitive. You can save as many options as you want.

Are these gasmen living on the moon? The mood is changing ?!

In my opinion, they wanted money or something like that, but I pretended to be a fool ... And the paper with the prescription - let them write, the paper will take it all out. I cut the pipe and everything else was controlled by the gasman. So I know that I have done everything right
Yes, I have the same non-built-in dishwasher under the countertop and the same countertop heats up, soon 9 years and nothing - everything is fine The countertop is not dangerous, it heats up to a maximum of 30-35 degrees. True, I rarely wash dishes on "heavy" programs, mainly on economy.

[Mona1]

cookers usually protrude deeper down, and even 85 cm near the dishwasher.

Mona1, here Bijou is talking! The cookers not only protrude downward, some also have a gas connection downward, and not parallel to the countertop. So figure out how the flexible gas hose will screw on.

All the same, draw a variant of the PMM Not under the cooking.
And further. They try to put the PMM next to the sink, otherwise loading dirty dishes will not be very convenient.

[Mandraik Ludmila]

Mandraik Ludmila, Luda, it means that if you originally stood there, then according to the project it is acceptable. It's already easier for me.))

And gas pipes cannot be sewn up, I know that for sure. Therefore, they did not expect money, I think they just wrote as prescribed by the rules.

Why not?
I showed you the picture! My gas pipe is sewn up and runs to the right of the sink along the ventilation shaft.

[Tanya-Fanya]

Tanya-Fanya, Tan, yes, I am next to the sink and I want it, then I have a stove, I throw it out, a cooking stove instead of it. It's just that if you do not move the cooker to the right under the pipe and do not shove a dishwasher under it (and it turns out that it will not work out technically), then there is very little room to squeeze into the sink (there is a washer near the wall next to it). In general, I completely confused everyone. In general, if it turns out to draw a plan with this Ikeevsky planner, then I will show the drawing.
In the meantime, girls, thank you very much for helping.

[Mona1]

initially you stood there, then according to the project it is permissible

Yes, Mona1, Tanya, you understood everything correctly.

it is impossible to sew up gas pipes

Well, I don’t know, I was looking at the gasman when he was doing the repairs, he wasn’t against me. It didn’t hurt me, but of course, it’s more aesthetically pleasing. But I won't break it either, I can't even imagine how to do it now

[Tanya-Fanya]

Tanya-Fanya, Tan, well, were the gas workers allowed to sew it up? Or do they not know?
Oh, Luda has already written that her gasman is our man.)

[Mona1]

Mona1, I wrote to you a whole ode with pictures above that I pulled my soul out of the gasman and did it with his consent.

[Mona1]

Mona1, copied from the instructions for your dishwasher. "Do not install the appliance near heat sources (radiators, heat accumulators, stoves or other appliances that generate heat) and do not build it under the hob."

[night_furia]

night_furia, in the instructions for my PPM this is not written for some reason, although I think the rules are the same. I have already convinced myself that putting it under the cooktop is not an option.

[Mona1]

Mona1, Tanya, my dishwasher is also Veko, only a built-in, and has been living under the hob for seven years. There were no warnings in the instructions either. We saw that there was enough insulation, both at the dishwasher and at the cooking room, so that nothing would be heated, well, they built it in. There were no problems, they work together, in general everything is in order. The table top is a little higher, about five centimeters, but we also wanted it higher. So, as an option, it may very well be. We, however, had no options, or one way or no dishwasher ...

[Tochechka]

Tochechka, Natasha, what company’s installation? And gas? In the same place, it is also necessary, if you build in, then so that the cooking compartment is not very thick. I'll go into the topic of hobs and ask who has such a tandem and what brands of cooking.

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there is a lot of information from the bushes, but I still can't understand. I bought an electrolux dishwasher. The factory setting of the salt is 5. Aquarelists of the city said that the hardness of our water is 11. At what value should the salt be put. Please help me decide. Mine now with powder, then with tablets. I don't want to ruin the car. Thanks in advance for your answers.

[laresh]

laresh, do not worry, you are unlikely to ditch the machine anyway.)
If after washing powder there are no whitish dried drops on the dishes, it makes no sense to change the factory settings.However, for some time the resin will be saturated from the factory and therefore there will be no white spots at any setting.