Dishwasher selection (2)

after rinsing everything in the sink with a sponge, otherwise it will not wash

I, too, first rinse all the dishes and wipe off the dried a little and then in the pm.
Dishwasher selection (2)

I, too, first rinse all the dishes and wipe off the dried a little and then in the pm

I'm shocked why the garbage can, if after rinsing the dishes by 50-80%, I actually washed them, I put the dishes and save them in the garbage for a week, everything that has dried up washes off with a bang, otherwise I don't see the point in the typewriter.

otherwise I see no point in a typewriter.

The Soviet housewife is not looking for easy ways!

The harsh years are passing
Fight for the freedom of the country.
Others come for them,
They will be difficult too.

Shl. The usual washing mode in our family is automatic. In this case, the machine itself, on the basis of the algorithm and sensors embedded in it, determines the degree of "dirtyness" of the dishes, and automatically sets the required temperature and duration of washing. So, when the dishes are too clean, PMM (at least in our country) washes worse than greasy and dirtier ones, because it thinks that it will do just fine ... , - no problem. But why rinse?
It is desirable not only to have the blessings of civilization, but also to be able to use them in full ... Let the dirty work be done by the technique, and you take care of your hands and your manicure.

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, you surprised me, what kind of car do you have? At what temperature do such miracles happen?

With my beam, after reading the reviews of "experienced", I chose just this one, albeit more expensive

I have no beam at home and in the country. My dishes at night when electricity is cheaper. Why do you need a ray when the dishes are washed, dried and cooled down in the morning?

About salt for pmm - my husband at the dacha buys large bags of tableted salt for water filters. Very convenient, it fits 5-6 tablets somewhere.

Now, in my new dishwasher, I don't like the fact that there is no beam on the floor.

I have a Miele installation. She does not have a beam, but when she finishes washing the dishes, the door automatically opens and remains open. This is convenient when you wash the dishes at night or you are not at home. Condensation does not form on the dishes and they remain dry. And in the Eco program, the door opens when drying starts and the dishes are dried with the door open, which means less energy consumption.

about Hanza they wrote that the dishes fall out because the basket is uncomfortable

I wrote that there are short cloves on the cutlery shelf (third), and my tablespoons often turn over, but they don't fall out anywhere. Almost all the pins fold, if necessary, the positions of the second and third baskets are adjustable, it washes well, 3.5 years is normal flight.

dishes covered in white

This is what I had when I added salt according to the instructions. She spat on the instructions, except for the tablet nothing - the dishes became clean. After the salt sensor was turned off.

About salt for PMM - a husband at the dacha buys large bags of tableted salt for water filters

Show me, eh! And then they almost pecked me in the store when she asked ...

[optimist]

optimist, Electrolux ESF 4151 has been operating since December 2004, on an automatic machine 60-65 * С

Show me, eh! And then they almost pecked me in the store when she asked ...

Google "table salt". Sold by companies dealing with water purification equipment and its service.

[Constantin]

Constantin, I need a picture, not google ..
Thank you for the direction

[OlgaGera]

OlgaGera, Olya, is called Tableted Salt for regeneration of ion-exchange filters. It is used for water treatment systems, in boiler rooms, too, for water softening. Therefore, the sellers were surprised, you probably asked in the departments of household chemicals, and this is necessary in the shops selling filter equipment. This salt is of the Extra type, but the anti-caking additive and iodine are completely excluded. And in general, the level of impurities there is very low. Because these impurities spoil the ion exchanger. And in such salt they are practically absent.
Salt comes from different manufacturers. And a different percentage of impurities. Choose a cleaner and a well-known manufacturer. And then there are different diameters of the tablets. It is necessary not to get stuck when pouring. I bought myself a couple of bags of Mozyrsalt, 25 kg each. For 10 years, probably, she provided herself.)) This is a Belarusian manufacturer. The diameter of the tablets is small - either 1, or 1.5 cm. I will not say for sure, until I have used it. The husband unknowingly bought 2 kg bags of salt for the PPM, which he is using so far. Our machine was recently connected.

[Lelka]

Quote: Sprig from Today at 12:04 pm
About salt for PMM - a husband at the dacha buys large bags of tableted salt for water filters
Show me, eh! And then they almost pecked me in the store when she asked ...

Lelka, in Leroy Merlin there is such salt, bags of 25 kg, in the department where water filters are sold. I laid eyes on her myself)

virgins, show the picture which you are using, please.
There is so much of this salt

I was categorically told that hmmm put no way ... that's why I ask for a picture

bags of 25 kg, in the department where water filters are sold

that's where me and ...
I will buy wax ..

There is so much of this salt

I was categorically told that hmmm put no way ... that's why I ask for a picture

ANY TABLETED SALT! ANYONE, for the regeneration of ion exchange filters in water purification / softening systems! Therefore, the picture is not needed.

You are "categorically" bred into expensive salt "especially for PMM".

[Constantin]

That is, I can pour salt from the flask (I have an extra flask) and pour it into the PMM?
But what about the warning written in red letters - not to use water in food that passes through this filter?
Here are some three kgs sitting. That is why I am so thoroughly interested.
Constantin, it's hard to breed me, I'm torturing with passion ...))))

[OlgaGera]

OlgaGerafrom which flask? Are we talking about 25 kg bags? Or at home you have a filter and flasks there? So I, too, would not dare to pour their filling into the PPM.

Are we talking about 25 kg bags?

We're talking about tableted filter salt.
Tableted salt is poured into the flask. Filter flask. So, there is such a warning on the flask. I have columns for water purification in Moscow. there is a multistage .. food (kitchen - PMM, refrigerator, water for cooking.), "semi-technical" (kitchen mixer, shower / sink) and industrial water without cleaning (toilet). We bought a lot of salt.
So I was interested in how I can eat from dishes that have been exposed to such salt ...

This is how it looks
This is a specially purified salt for ion exchangers.



In PMM, water that comes into contact with salt does not take part in the washing process. It goes in a separate circuit, at least pour the bleach in there for cleaning (this is not advice, if that, but in the water filter in the country, the husband periodically washes this tank with bleach)

This is how it looks

Thank you! I went to look)))

Oh, you can and eat this salt, I cooked potatoes in it

does not take part in the washing process.

Yes?
My cockroaches won't give me rest ...
I will call in asko and ask

In pmm, edible salt is impossible, because it is with impurities. And iodine is there, and sand. It is important for the ion exchanger that there are no foreign impurities.

I will get it from the admin for that, but ... Bag 25 kg.




Inside there are approximately the following salt tablets:


The shape of the tablet may be different, but it will still be a large tablet in shape ...

For the price - "feel the difference" 400-500r for 25 kg

[Kapet]

Kapet, oh, I have exactly the same. I took 500 rubles. But here everything is more expensive.

400-500r for 25 kg

of course, Turkish is half the price .. but ... won't it result in higher costs?

[Mona1]

Mona1, I usually take bags of tableted salt produced by Slavyansk (Ukraine), - good quality and inexpensive ...

of course, Turkish is half the price .. but ... won't it result in higher costs?

No. This is the same salt as for PMM - pressed pure table salt "Extra", purified from all impurities.

[Kapet]

Kapet, yes, I know that Slavyanskaya is good, but we have the same type of blockade, Ukrainian goods are practically not present.
But this one is also kind of praised. I had a choice: Mozyrsalt, some kind of Turkish and some kind of Armenian, which they bring to us and in our city they make it in tablets. Doubtful and Turkish and Armenian from unknown manufacturer. And Belarus is praised

[Mona1]

Mona1, then Mozyrsalt (Belarus). Here she is praised (remove the space):

🔗

Oh, you can and eat this salt, I cooked potatoes in it

All salts are edible. Some just do it once.

[Constantin]

Constantin,
Well, if sodium chloride is indicated, that is, you can. Not calling, of course. I recently diluted simple rock salt for conservation - there was a pile of sand at the bottom.

By the way, there is tableted salt for PMM. Lotta produces, and most likely packs in its branded containers, standard tableted salt for washing ion exchangers in water purification systems.

On the otzovik, some people complain that the salt consumption indicator in the PMM goes out only a couple of weeks after such tablets are laid.

On "Otzovik" people complain that the indicator of salt consumption in the PMM goes out a couple of weeks after the pills were laid.

Because the tableted salt fits much less into the PMM. If you fall asleep with crumbly, I almost get a kilogram, and you can put 6 pieces of tablets because of their large size. Now I have weighed 6 tablets - 210 grams.

I just shoved pills in pmm - 6 pieces fit. But I agree to put salt tablets more often, just not to pour this sooooool.

why a garbage can, if after rinsing the dishes by 50-80%, they actually washed them

the dishes, rinsed with cold water, have not been washed at all, and if where and what has dried, I wipe them off, the machine only washes, but does not "scrub".

Food leftovers that will not pass through the mechanical filter should be brushed off - no question. But why rinse?

and what difference does it make if I brush it off - not with my bare hands, with napkins most likely - or wash it off - anyway, something is spent = napkins or water and time.
My machine doesn’t wash dry stuff at once. As I wrote, my Kandy is not at all "smart" and not expensive. It's not difficult for me to rinse, not to pay for a super-smart hmm big money for me.
And since they produce and sell cheap units, it means that someone needs them.

All TRICKS !!!
I have a good Mile, but if after the eggs, etc. (my husband spreads / collects the yolk with bread) I don’t go through with a sponge, then the strip on the plates will remain. The plate is clean, but the stripes, the bed after boiling the broth ... will remain so. With my Somat tablets at a temperature of 55 degrees (universal + program), neither an increase in temperature helps, the automatic program also does not help. Therefore, there are two ways out: either I should change my perfectionism or do it like Irsha (which I do). I would be glad to any of your advice, but for now I am doing like Ira. And if you leave / collect the dishes, as Alexander advises, the result is even worse.

I'm after the egg

collect the dishes and turn on the rinse. I have it 3 minutes.
And so it accumulates in a couple of days. I do not do any unnecessary manipulations. I remove from the plates what should not be in the PMM.
If there are a lot of dishes in one day, then I do without rinsing.
I switched to pills. Sometimes half a pill

[Irsha]

Irsha, Umka19, so I go over the dishes and cutlery with a sponge before loading them into the PMM, rub the pots with a net if necessary, for four years now, from the moment of purchase, it does not bother at all. My dishwasher now costs 40,000 rubles, so the price is not yet an indicator of the washing efficiency.

collect the dishes and turn on the rinse. I have it 3 minutes.

And if it's dry, for example, two-day dishes?

And if it's dry, for example, two-day dishes?

no problem. Will get wet after the rinse program.

Hmm, I never used a rinse program. You need to experience chtoli at least once
I don’t collect the dishes for a couple of days. If I have already begun to fill in the PMM, then at night I put on a wash with half a tablet. First I put the dishes in the sink, there it accumulates, I turn on the tap for any needs, it pours on the dishes, like rinsing comes out.
Sometimes I see that it is easier to wash it faster with your hands, especially when there are no plastic bowls, just a couple of plates and mugs, then the machine is resting.

Sometimes I see that it is easier to wash it faster with your hands, especially when there are no plastic bowls, just a couple of plates and mugs, then the machine is resting.

I do the same.

turn on rinsing

Strange, for some reason this function / operation does not help me ...: pardon: But thanks for the advice / feedback !!!

if it is dry, for example, two-day dishes?

I have a budget Zanussi, I never rub anything before turning it on, that's not why I bought it. It may not be able to cope with the rim from the broth, semolina porridge, remaining on the spoon, then it will be drunk if necessary, but this rarely happens. If we collect the dishes for a couple of days, then I turn on the rinsing beforehand. Sorry to get into the conversation)

Hmm, I have a 20 minute rinse. So I'm definitely faster with my hands.

[Tina]

Sorry to get into the conversation)

Tina, this is a forum and we share / collect life hacks !!!

20 minutes

I have a way. Avsko itself changes the rinsing time. from 3 to 15 minutes

So I'm definitely faster with my hands

desire never arose. Better to wash the second time in the car.

no problem. Will get wet after the rinse program.

+1
The instructions for my PMM indicate that the dishes can be stored in PMM for two days.

Recently I bought anti-fat finish pills at good discounts. We liked it very much! In my Pmm, unfortunately, there is no 70 gr mode. periodically at the bottom in the place of discharge, the plastic is greasy to the touch, so I regularly make it a special sink with a means without dishes.
So these anti-fat pills cope with a bang and now there is no need to spend money on special means.

Regarding the preliminary cleaning of dishes from food debris.
When I began to study these anti-fat pills on the official website, I read the advice:
"Before loading dishes in the dishwasher, remove large particles of food, but do not rinse: the detergent must" cling "to the remaining traces of grease and dirt to completely rinse them off."
I remove leftover food with paper towels.




Girls, why include a rinse? If you turn on the long mode, and not the fast or short mode, then the Machine first rinses, then washes, etc. That's why it and the Machine, to do everything for you.

If you wash in the Auto mode, then all the more you do not need to first close the dirt under the tap or rinsing, because in the auto mode, according to the water pollution after the first rinsing of the dishes, the degree of cleanliness of the dishes is determined and pmm washes longer or shorter and heats the water higher or lower at the washing stage ...

remove large food particles, but do not rinse

I have it in both instructions to the PMM written.

[OlgaGera]

OlgaGeraso this is very important! These cars are very smart! They want to do everything for us, and we get into their algorithms.

The only thing I agree with is about protein residues-rims from broths and porridge burnt or welded to the bottom of the pan. But about this, too, it is stipulated in the instructions that you need to remove with pens

Hello everyone! before registering, I read the topics for a very long time. I now have a renovation in the kitchen and for this bench I so casually, for a long time to persuade the fly did not have to buy a PPM, I chose for a long time, I read so many things that my head was spinning. But in the end, the PPM found me herself))) and since now the exchange rate is increasing without delay, I threw everything into the basket and now I can’t wait for delivery, although the kitchen is not ready yet ((but a little left.
I chose the PPM from ELECTROLUX ESL95321LO.
Now I'm a woman)), not a dishwasher))))

The same company chose a gas oven))

Try pills

All TRICKS !!!
I have a good Mile, but if after the eggs, etc. (my husband spreads / collects the yolk with bread) I don’t go through with a sponge, then the strip on the plates will remain. The plate is clean, but the stripes, the bed after boiling the broth ... will remain so. With my Somat tablets at a temperature of 55 degrees (universal program +), neither an increase in temperature helps, the automatic program also does not help. Therefore, there are two ways out: either I should change my perfectionism or do as Irsha (which I am doing). I would be glad to any of your advice, but for now I am doing like Ira. And if you leave / collect the dishes, as Alexander advises, the result is even worse.

Try the faerie capsules. Platinum or regular. I highly recommend it. I think that your problem will be solved. I am a long-term user of PMM in general and Mila in particular. Mile was the best of the four. Launched drop dead.

And before the start of the program, I drip a couple of drops of ordinary fairies into the car. For washing dishes by hand. The machine will rinse before any wash. Still without a pill. You can't take any fat with cold water. Fear not, the foam will not go anywhere and nowhere: too little product for the volume of dirty water. My car is 60, for 45 it is possible and one drop.

We had Electrolux, now Miele. My dishes after every day (at night), on weekends (the whole family is at home) after 2 meals (3 times per Sat-Sun).
In no case do we save up the dishes in the sink - firstly, it interferes; secondly, I don’t like to transfer wet dirty dishes to the PMM. We put each of them in the dishwasher. Remove the leftover food with the same spoon / fork that you just ate. But this is usually not required. There may be a few grains of porridge left by children after breakfast, but then everyone decides for himself that it is easier for him to join the “clean plate society” or go up and throw it into the bucket. Usually laziness wins.
I don't use pills, I buy everything separately - salt, detergent, rinse aid. Usually Finish.
Only broth rims and burnt semolina can not be washed (this usually does not happen). Either I remove the rims from the broth with a paper towel before washing, or (if this has not been done) after the PMM I wash it off in the sink by hand - the rim is washed after the PMM without effort and without funds.
I manually wash only one single superknife, a couple of precious pans and parts of household appliances, if the impossibility of PMM is specified by the manufacturer. I started steel knives that do not suffer from PMM. Less precious knives with plastic and even wooden handles are also mine in PMM, although it is impossible: if they become unusable, I will throw them away. For 11 years of such exploitation, I threw out a couple of knives, whose plastic handle was not molded, but attached with screws. 8 pieces are still alive.