Dishwasher selection (2)

[Vredin @]

Vredin @, I don’t know, my glass mugs come out of a "crystal" typewriter and um tabletop, I often wash the mugs with my hands.

Girls and boys, hello everyone! I ordered a BEKO DFS 26010 W dishwasher. The first in my life. I read Temka from cover to cover. I know everything. And I also read a story about Anyutina. And since the machine is the first, the questions are:
1) If the cord does not reach the outlet, can it be plugged in through an extension cord?
2) Does the machine need to be disconnected from the mains (pull the plug out of the socket) at the end of work, or does it turn itself off?
3) Is it necessary to turn off the water supply tap after the end of the cycle? (I turn off such a tap for the washing machine)

1) Undesirable. But if nothing else, then you need to pick up a powerful extension cord with reliable sockets and a thick wire, designed for at least 2-2.5 kW. Well, that's what I would take to connect an iron or an electric kettle. Ideally also with a fuse.
2) No, don't. Even if the machine does not turn itself off, then when you take out the dishes, you turn it off with a button on the panel. It's enough. Some cars shut down completely by themselves, some don't.
3) I have never heard someone talk about what they turn off during daily use (only for the time of departure, everything is blocked). It seems that all dishwashers are necessarily equipped with an aquastop, it additionally blocks unauthorized water intake. Even washing machines without aquastop will not turn off everything, although the manufacturer seems to recommend them, if I do not confuse them.

[Mona1]

Mona1, dishwashers are often built into kitchen furniture, and are connected "tightly", they do not need to be turned off.
About the cord and everything else already Bijou, wrote that the button is off on the panel.
We do not unplug from the outlet even on vacation, this is problematic.

Oh, girls, thank you very much, I understood everything. And then the husband is already out. I can't reach the outlet, I'm already buzzing about a separate outlet with a separate shield, as we did for the washing machine.
Yes, we'll take a powerful extension cord, my husband knows such. And with grounding and extension cord and socket. We are doing repairs in the kitchen, stuck out sockets, and somehow they were not going to buy a dishwasher, and then I managed to wrap it up in this Temko. Well, here I am with you! And with a new assistant. It will stand between the sink with the stove (we will leave a gap of a centimeter and a half, so that we do not get warm from the oven, maybe we will lay something insulating there). And just that there they did not make an outlet. Although they wanted to.
Already ordered powder, rinse aid. The salt is still in the buying process. While we put the tiles on the walls, then on the floor. So the dishwasher will wait for now. Well, while I'm theoretically preparing))

[Mona1]

Yes, we'll take a powerful extension cord, my husband knows such. And with grounding and extension cord and socket.

Well, weird. The first time you can feel it during work, in order to calm down and make sure that it does not heat up. And then hang it away behind the cabinet and forget.)) Not so powerful consumption there, in that dishwasher. Against the backdrop of a modern iron.



They forgot to congratulate!

Mona1, congratulations on your new clever assistant! May your friendship be long and sincere!

[Bijou]

Bijou, Lena, I read in Temka that you wrote that the water is very hard in your places. We also have a hard one, like I found it - 7 mmol / dm3 (this was our Vodokanal publicized, although they may have underestimated, who knows, maybe higher in fact)
Is your maximum salt level set? And if so, about how much salt is consumed per month? If, for example, use it once a day?
And also, Linen, do you wash Stebkin's Teflon saucepan in the PPM? or Toko non-girder? I'm not going to wash the lid, I read in Shtebkina's Temka that it is not necessary, but I don't remember about the saucepans. I have all three of them. Well, I won't wash ceramic for sure, but the other two?

Thank you for your congratulations! In truth, scary. Much for the first time. In general, a new PPM, a new hood, a new electric oven. And we will make a new kitchen set to order. And yet it must be washed)))

Tanya, is it possible?
one). to make the outlet closer to the PMM until the furniture is installed, because it is still somewhere downstairs behind the kitchen front.
or
2). replace the cord in the PMM with a longer one, where it is easily connected.

Is your maximum salt level set? And if so, about how much salt is consumed per month? If, for example, use it once a day?

Well, I have a different brand, salt can be consumed in different ways. I kind of remember about Beko that they love salty.)
I wash with tablets, they are already with a softener, which should be enough for a hardness below average. And with hard water, the regeneration settings need to be set somewhere in the middle. It is possible and to the maximum, but then glass corrosion will occur faster, and my tableware is just glass, on the shore.)

So my car asks for salt once every couple of months, eats about a kilogram at a time, or something .. I don't remember, in recent years I took it in large packs, there is nothing to navigate.

In truth, scary. Much for the first time. In general, a new PPM, a new hood, a new electric oven. And we will make a new kitchen set to order.

Urrah! New life!

And also, Len, are you washing Shtebkin's Teflon saucepan in the PMM? or Toko non-girder? I'm not going to wash the lid, I read in Shtebkina's Temka that it is not necessary, but I don't remember about the saucepans. I have all three of them. Well, I won't wash ceramic for sure, but the other two?

Personally, I do not wash any Teflon in the dishwasher. But I am not at all a guide and not an example of imitation in this matter !!! I know that people wash bowls. Sometimes they become quite ugly in appearance, but this is not important for everyone.

I just wash the lid very occasionally if I foul it properly under the welded rods for the ring. Only I take out both valves and pull out the silicone ring from behind the rim. The valves are not mine, the ring is in the dishwasher.

[Olga VB]

Olga VB, Olga, the husband does the repair himself. There are no professional tools to hammer reinforced concrete mills, he made those few sockets, thanks. It takes a long time to hammer the hole for the socket, then the groove for the cord. I'm afraid that the recently laid tiles on the walls will simply fall off from the shaking during slotting.)))
And about replacing the cord with a longer one - is that really possible, simple? Will there be any repairs later - a non-warranty case? In general, I liked the idea about the cord, tomorrow I will inform my husband. Thank you! Eh, and the guarantee ... well, we have no guarantee here for more essential things than technology. So that's not the point.)

I just wash the lid very occasionally if I foul it properly under the welded rods for the ring. Only I take out both valves and pull out the silicone ring from behind the rim. The valves are not mine, the ring is in the dishwasher.

And the silicone ring - at what temperature? Or is he not afraid of anyone? Doesn't it stretch?

I, too, do not wash Teflon pots from the cartoon, I have nowhere to take new ones, but my pans, I don’t mind them
In general, I already can't imagine life without a dishwasher, we drove into the apartment and bought the kitchen from the previous owners with all the built-in things, so the dishwasher soap was bad, I had AEG before, so heaven and earth, now replaced by Bosch, washes everything, even pots after broth with sticky sides.

Good day everyone, I haven’t come in for a long time, but here I read everything that was newly added, I’ll write on my own, I’ll remind you this is my story, my opinion and what I like, please don’t throw slippers
I wanted a dishwasher for a long time, especially since my hands were very cracked, especially in winter, it is not an option to wash with gloves, it is not clear to the touch and the dishes slipped out. I have two small children, a rented apartment with a 5-6 meter kitchen. Khrushchev and a washing machine are in the kitchen, there is no refrigerator)))

When I decided to buy, there was enough current for a new Indesite, since I’m on maternity leave))) but God forbid, I’m not bad about used things, so I considered the option of buying something new in our region, I was more interested only in the Germans at 45cm and from 70 degrees so that there was a program necessarily, I read a bunch of forums on PMM))), and then she found the cherished Siemens bought for 10 thousand on January 7, 2017 by the date of the factory release in 2012, it was bought in 2013, sold it in connection with the move to the cottage the installation of a new kitchen and built-in appliances at the time of purchase, the same new one in stores cost 35t, I definitely did not have money for this))))
And so after a year, what can I say - I am very pleased with the machine, my husband also did not really care about the purchase at first, now he forgot that she was not there before))) I have normal hands, I do not wash the dishes for 2 hours when everything is already have been sleeping for a long time. My husband and I stopped swearing))) when asked who will wash,))))
about the detergents, when I just watched them it seemed to me it would be expensive, but I am a person who loves to search and buy something at a discount and cheaper))) I used a lot of things and tried a lot like we have in the Samara region. Tolyatti hard water I took a kilogram of salt for a month with daily washing 1 time a day. (I calmly set up the machine for hardness by buying a special indicator for determining the hardness of water in a pet store) I bought different salt, but now I use tableted salt for softeners of large filters, the system is the same as in PMM with the same ion-exchange resin, I bought this bag in Leroy merlin 25kg for 550r will be enough for me for 3 years for sure, yes, sometimes the sensor is on that there is no salt, although it is there, but this is when the salt is almost wasted, more often I try to fill up without waiting, I read on the forums at the Bosheymens - sometimes it does not pills a sensor, but it's not scary, you know that it is, and by the way, some companies produce the same tablet for PMM but in boxes for 1kg of 200 rubles)))

As for the savings, they wrote above)))) my standard fairy bottle took 1.5 months or even a month, I honestly don't know how some users are enough for half a year)))
I tried a bunch of cheap and cheap products, and I can't say very much from myself, everyone will wash the dishes, but the result may not be the same, and again it all depends on how correctly you loaded it and which mode you chose, someone washes almost always on a short mode at 45 degrees and complains that it is not washed.

As for the prices, I buy somat. I liked the finish and other powders very much to wash them with powders, they can be dosed according to the degree of soiling of the dishes and come out much more economically than tablets, according to the action in the tape you can buy a 3 kg canister of somat for 450 rubles, this will be enough for a long time. tablets, if you do not buy a fancy finish and capsules with fairies, you can buy simpler ones, which are excellent for washing, for example, from a company with a tape, it is in a box of 60 pieces, they are made in Germany and you do not need to remove the packaging from them, even sometimes I cut it in half, just fine. Also, the shares come out at 6p per thing, it happened and cheaper. By the way, the tape tablets in a package of 30 pieces are completely different, do not confuse them, they are Russian-made, they are washed !, but not so good.
Rinse aids are also different for me, sometimes I pour different ones at the same time, I just don't wait for the light to turn on, but top it up from time to time. Let me remind you that salt should always be in the PMM, no matter whether you use a pill or powder, do not believe everything that is written on the boxes with pills and powders, believe your dishes, your PMM and your instructions on how to properly set up your PMM.
I clean with a special cleaner every few months for prophylaxis, I have never seen grease and limescale on the filter or on baskets or impellers.I don't wash the dishes in front of the PMM, I just brush off the LARGE parts, for all normal washing programs the rinsing is the very first, just the same food remains, then the water is drained and poured clean, then the compartment with the detergent opens and it starts to wash with the detergent in clean water ...
If, for some reason, you have a white coating on the dishes or, on the contrary, rainbow on the cutlery, you can easily fix it by running a short program. I have 45 degrees for glass adding instead of washing a teaspoon of citric acid.
Someone wrote that the narrow one is not quite good, so that the impeller spins in a circle and does not exhale ........ for Siemens and Bosches, narrow machines have 2 impellers in the upper basket, perhaps some other manufacturers have this, everything is washed, the main thing is to arrange the dishes correctly, and I sometimes load in 2 layers and fit 3 pots at the bottom and 6 more plates and cutlery))))

about the size ........ I have a kitchen of 5-6 meters, the machine stands in the opposite corner from the sink, where there was a place. and we from a family of 4 people easily have enough of it, again someone puts a wide one and washes 3 plates in it, and someone puts the floor of a dish cabinet in a tabletop, this is a matter of choice and desire of everyone. By the way, I have different dishes and I haven't changed anything under the dishwasher, but we have 9 glasses, children rarely use them yet, the standard set of Luminark is white with flowers, there are about 2 sets of spoons forks, I just don't put something in the PMM, like duralumin and wood. and so my absolutely everything.
The plaque from the broth is washed off, it happens that it may not be washed off in pots in which the bottom goes to expand, such as pots for the oven and, accordingly, this is a mode of 70 degrees. I read a lot that in the eco mode of 50 degrees, it washes badly, I have the same opinion and I just don’t use it.
I wrote a lot of words, I will add the main thing from myself, I needed it, I use it every day, I love my German assistant very much and I don’t want to go without a dishwasher because having washed your dishes in it several times, you don’t recognize her. free time, and silence and idyll in the family ........ and of course your pens !!! she is worth it all

[Calipso63]

Calipso63, Valya, I really liked to read about your experience of using the machine. I am just getting ready to meet my purchased but not yet arrived dishwasher. It was interesting to read about your experience of using tableted salt for the regeneration of ion-exchange resins. We also have sooooo hard water, and after reading Temka, I realized that the salt will go unmeasured and I’ll just go broke on the special salt for PPM. I also looked for an alternative on the Internet. But in this Temka only once I found a mention of such salt for boilers and filtration plants, but then someone wrote there that he did not advise experimenting, but it was necessary for the PPM. And what if the salt that is for boiler rooms is dissolved in a glass of water, then the water will be cloudy from impurities, but it should be transparent. Like these impurities can destroy the ion exchanger. But all the time I wanted to hear someone who uses such salt, and not for a year or two, but as I understood, you have had a typewriter since 2013. And have you used this salt all these years? And if possible, dissolve a couple of tablets in a glass of water - it will be cloudy or remain transparent.

[Mona1]

Mona1, Tanya, Congratulations on your purchase !!! I have been using a dishwasher for a year, since 2013 it has been in operation, I just took it not new, and for almost a year I have been using this salt, by the way, the girls also wrote about it in Temka about detergents, I don't know about salt about boiler rooms, but this salt is in tablets, for the same exact purposes, it is used to regenerate the ion exchanger for large softening installations, for example, in a private house, relatives have such a system) and the salt is absolutely clean when dissolved, there is no sediment or dirt at all, it is such as extra white and pure edible salt, only the extra cannot be poured there, an anti-caking agent is added, although someone is pouring it, but in food, for example, the Iletskaya stone there is garbage and dirt there, I don’t even buy this for food))) about those who claim that only a special one is needed,and only where it is written that for PMM, this is everyone's business, let them buy and overpay money, it's like my mother-in-law believes everything that is written and what is advertised, it's like a regular ibuprofen in a pharmacy costs a package of 60 tabs 40p, but if you write on the box that this is super nurofen super If you advertise a duper remedy for all pains on TV, then my mother-in-law will buy this very Nurofen for 300r and will still advise everyone to it))))))) Here's something like this, everyone chooses their own, who also uses 3in1 tablets, etc. and the salt never falls asleep, and in any instruction to any PMM it is written that salt should always be present regardless of detergents !!!

Yes, I read in the annotation to the salt - that it is like Extra salt, but the anti-caking component has been removed and it is also written that iodine has been removed.

I have a kitchen of 5-6 meters, the machine is in the opposite corner from the sink, where there is a place.

Valentine, my kitchen is exactly described. There is no other place and this is holding me back from buying PPM. I am worried that the long distance to the drain will complicate the release of water. If not difficult, tell us how you ran the hoses - along the walls or under the floor, and at least approximately how long these hoses are. I already broke my head how to arrange everything and not wash the dishes with my hands.

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, this is the only place where she could climb, I donated a kitchen corner sofa for her))) my husband connected the drain lengthened by buying an extension cord, he was the same as for washing machines. with the filler, it is more difficult I have an aquastop, I had to throw a polypropylene pipe (there are such in stands or aqua stores, it is sold by the footage and all the necessary adapters and fittings are already dug to it) and to it I already connect a hose with an aquastop, all this goes over the plinth neatly and the hose with the pipe are fixed with plastic ties, in general I invented everything for my husband, outlined it buzzed over my ear))) and he did it for me, it could be entered of course if the kitchen was ordered, but we have it angular and was already before the purchase))) it is about 3-3.5 meters long pipes, but you need to measure everything exactly where and how and how much)))) I have a refrigerator in the hall)) a washing machine in the kitchen, if it were not for it could be shoved here __)

Valechka, thank you very much, the mustache understood, I can hum over my ear. Stop dreaming, it's time to act. Thank you for the inspiration.

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, good luck, in this difficult matter))), and have you already looked at the dishwasher, what kind?

Yes, about two months ago I saw a narrow German assembly Bosch, you have to look like it is now.

I bought a dishwasher in 2011, in 2015 we moved. It turned out that there was no room for her in the new kitchen. The room itself is small and a kitchen has already been installed. It was enough for me for three months of washing dishes with my hands. After that, I invited the master to build a dishwasher in this kitchen. As a result, they removed part of the boxes from below, made holes in the back wall, a hole for the outlet. In general, they had to tinker, but the dishwasher was installed. So good luck. You will succeed.

[Calipso63]

But in this Temka only once I found a mention of such salt for boilers and filter plants.

Something is not right here ... Tips to use 25 kg bags of pressed salt for ion-exchange columns in the dishwasher have been around for 10 years. Although not all machines are able to recognize such salt, it does not seem to be reflected at work and salt is used normally. At the same time, the machine can assert that there is no salt in it, because the washer does not normally fall under the sensor.

But that salt for the boiler rooms ?? However, it is possible that somewhere there are such advanced and expensive boiler houses that can afford to buy refined salt, but what I once saw in the salt pit of one of our boiler houses made the same impression! There was such dirt there that it seems that the roads are sprinkled with cleaner salt in winter.

Calipso63, not in service, but in friendship. Wouldn't it be very difficult for you to separate large texts from the bottom of the paragraph? There is nothing to catch the eye, so sometimes people partially miss such stuck together texts.

[Bijou]

Bijou, thanks for the comment))) I'll take into account, I just wrote in one breath, and I think there are a lot of mistakes too))))

[Calipso63]

Calipso63, we also have Siemens, but ...

I read a lot that it is eco-friendly at 50 degrees, it doesn’t wash well, I have the same opinion and I just don’t use it.

Eco is the main mode that we use. Provided that quality tablets are used. But the finish, somat, - yes, these necessarily require higher washing temperatures, since they are ineffective in warm water, but simply put - the quality of washing is not ice ... Consumer goods for the proletariat, which are filled up with all the stores of household chemicals " from Moscow to the very outskirts "...

[Constantin]

Constantin, I tried different from the most expensive to the most creepy))) even spoons do not exhale, this mode frankly does not exhale I use 45 degrees for 29 minutes for ordinary dishes, well, either auto 45-65, or 70 for fried welded, by the way, the same somat powder or Turon for 100r kg. Turkish on a fast at 45 wash perfectly all the fat and no plaque, but with eco, there is a direct bloom of malaise and 3 hours




and many beloved sodasan so in general the nightmare does not wash niche and the white coating on the dishes, perhaps this is our water, although everything is fine

and many beloved sodasan is a nightmare

Yes, Sodasan shines with environmental friendliness, but the quality of the sink leaves much to be desired. For the past couple of years, we have only been using Frosch Soda or BioMio tablets. In them, the main detergent component is enzymes, which lose almost all of their detergent properties at temperatures above 50 Celsius. We are very pleased with these products, and punctures only happen from the wrong arrangement of the dishes ...

[Constantin]

Constantin, you may have them cheaper, we have biomio with a discount of about 20 rubles per thing, I'm generally silent about the frosh))))))

[Calipso63]

Calipso63, yes, it is not cheap at all, unfortunately ... But we have a private house, without a central sewerage system, and what the finishes, somata, and others like them are stuffed with, do not want to pour into the area where there is a well for water. ...

[Constantin]

Constantin, Yes. then, it’s not going anywhere, you will have to pay more money, and haven’t tried the synergetic gel? like he is also eco-friendly

[Calipso63]

Calipso63, I have not seen this in our area ...

confused

[tana33]

tana33, this information would not be about choosing a machine, but about choosing a dishwasher, eh? So they will cover more target audience, won't they?

[Bijou]

Bijouoh shit messed up

Need some advice! Tell me, does anyone have a PM Midea? I have never come across this firm. And now there is an opportunity to buy PM Midea m60bd-1406 auto at a very good price. I would be glad to receive any feedback. Thank you!
I know how good they were, Siemens was, but I don’t know this financially when we’ll pull it ...

I'm also interested) And after reading the reviews, I'm sitting in the belief that it's worth taking only Siemens and Boshi.

[annnushka27]

annnushka27, Midea is a purely Chinese manufacturer and developer.

it is worth taking only Siemens and Bosches.

Take only from manufacturers who have experience and experience in the production of this equipment, AEG-Elektrolux, Siemens-Bosch in the forefront.

Midea is a purely Chinese manufacturer and developer.

I remembered a recent review on 45cm Gorenyi - the visiting master swore a lot about "this china" in general and about the lack of spare parts for repairs in particular. What kind of master is this - I do not know, I retell from the words of the owner.))

for the lack of spare parts for repair in particular

For comparison, the drain hose on my Electrolux machine recently broke, I went bought it, put it, the original is 1150 rubles in total + an hour of my work

Duc and I was very surprised that the Chinese manufacturer does not have Chinese spare parts.)) However, maybe he meant official support, since the car is under warranty? Is there everything in bulk in stores with spare parts?

[annnushka27]

annnushka27, Robin bobin, my sister recently took a little meda. I'm happy so far. But the truth is, he enjoys a month

Dear and Dear users of dishwashers))
2 questions:
1. Do you need light inside and why? Who is using it?
2. Do you need 3 baskets?

1. Do you need light inside and why? Who is using it?

It seems that the light is not so much inside as illuminates the extended baskets. Not necessarily, but those who do have nothing against it.))

2. Do you need 3 baskets?

The reason for the holivar is unambiguous.
Depends strongly on habits and tableware park.Actually, this third regiment for small change came to us from higher cars, where it is quite in place, there is still enough height. And in standard machines, not all dishes fit in height. But if money is not tight, then it is better to buy and draw your own conclusions, because someone suffers from it, someone pulls it out as unnecessary or because of inconvenience, and someone is in complete euphoria from the presence.

Personally, for my dishes and habits, the third shelf for the entire area is not suitable - I just won't fit the plates into the upper basket, and I never wash them below ((There is a more aggressive area for pots and pans.

The reason for the holivar is unambiguous.

hopefully we will manage

Thank you)

1. Do you need light inside and why? Who is using it?

I don't have a backlight, but when I go into the kitchen in the dark evenings to put dishes in the PMM, I really want the backlight to be there. It is not always convenient to turn on the light in the direction of the typewriter, and when you put the dishes on the tabletop above it, you have to go back to the switch, turn on the light, go back to the typewriter and lay out the dishes.

2. Do you need 3 baskets?

I am one of those people who actively use the basket and are satisfied. You can put not only cutlery there, but also lids from jars, burners from a gas stove, silicone molds for muffins and other trifles.

Dear and Dear users of dishwashers))
2 questions:
1. Do you need light inside and why? Who is using it?
2. Do you need 3 baskets?

1. I have a backlit, very convenient.
2. The third basket is also available, I actively use it.

Oh, for a long time on our forum, one of the men sooo rukasty made the highlight himself. The photo then showed Schaub we all slobber with envy. Somewhere in these topics about PM. You can search.

1. I have a backlit, very convenient.
2. The third basket is also available, I actively use it.

Likewise. Light and 3 baskets are very convenient, always at work.

And here is such a stupid question from the "kettle". How does who load and unload the machine? Sitting on a stool by your side or bowing to every plate? At the same time, in addition to the machine, I bought a built-in oven, it will not stand on the floor, but just below the level of the table top. I deliberately wished not to bow more. I bake a lot, but my back is no longer very young))). And then she looked at the dishwasher and thought ...

[Tanya]

Tanya, I have quite serious problems with my back, but I load the dishwasher myself, in a bent position the upper basket, and I put only large dishes in the lower one, there quickly, my back does not get tired. And it is mainly households who unload, even if they put the wrong vessel in the wrong place, I would rather rearrange it than get it all myself

[Tanya]

How does who load and unload the machine? Sitting on a stool by your side or bowing to every plate?

Tanya, I bow to the lower basket, load and unload the middle and upper ones while standing, I do not experience difficulties, because it takes very little time