Dishwasher selection (2)

[Nyusha41]

Nyusha41, Tatyana, quite a trash heap, Bosch still rules, although I love AEG / Electrolux more

Thank you!!!

I would also like to tell you about my dishwashers. The first was Bosch, the most sophisticated for that time with an aquasensor and other garbage. Broke down in five years. At the same time, all five years, she regularly carried out our brain. When I chose another, I thought anything but bosh. But we bought again Bosch .... with three baskets. This one worked for more than 8 years (I have it in technology). The brain could not stand it, but it was slowly falling apart .. Wheels and clips fell off and disappeared in an unknown direction. But just recently she covered herself with a copper basin and she .... Now they bought Hansa also with three baskets .... At a price three times less than a Bosch .... I completely agree with the previous review on Hansa. She has her own characteristics. But it washes perfectly. In my opinion, even better than Bosch. I think it will last no less ... I decided not to spend more money on well-known brands ...

Here and there. After buying a BOSCH dishwasher and an Ariston washing machine, I changed to BOSCH. And you know, when I chose it in the store and asked the consultant to tell you more about it, in terms of its benefits, he said: "Well, you, BOSCH is BOSCH, what else to talk about."
Of course, I would change my small dishwasher to a large one, but firstly there is no place, and secondly, this one is very helpful, but I still think that over time I will try to free up space for a large one, but only BOSCH - no options.

I, too, have become a fool of the Bosch firm and bought a multicooker from this firm, I pray now that at least it breaks, I don’t know how to get rid of it.

I would also like to tell you about my dishwashers. The first was Bosch, the most sophisticated for that time with an aquasensor and other garbage. Broke down in five years. At the same time, all five years, she regularly carried out our brain. When I chose another, I thought anything but bosh. But we bought again Bosch .... with three baskets. This one worked for more than 8 years (I have it in technology). The brain could not stand it, but it was slowly falling apart .. Wheels and clips fell off and disappeared in an unknown direction. But just recently she covered herself with a copper basin and she .... Now they bought Hansa also with three baskets .... At a price three times less than a Bosch .... I completely agree with the previous review on Hansa. She has her own characteristics. But it washes perfectly. In my opinion, even better than Bosch. I think it will last no less ... I decided not to spend more money on well-known brands ...

Oh, I also have Hans, I agree with you washes perfectly even on a fast program.

Girls,
I had a dishwasher master today,
I stuck to him, which cars break the least.
He says that he cannot say that some brands break less often or more often than others, any ones have to be repaired.
The difference, as he said, is that, for example, there are no problems with spare parts for Bosch, and for Merloni (indesite, ariston and others like them) you can wait 2 months for spare parts.
Conclusion - everything breaks down. But something can be repaired faster, and something else - to wait 2 months.

I agree with you, I recently called a master to repair a washing machine, he also told me that everything breaks down, the only difference is in the price and availability of spare parts.

Function 1/2 is needed ...

For me, when choosing a PMM, a mandatory option was half load.

For me, too, when choosing a PMM, a half load was a mandatory option.

For six and a half years of operation of our PMM, no one from home has even thought about a half load. Only a wish about a one and a half load ... There are five people in the house - there is always something to wash or refresh. There is always something in line for a bath. We launch PMM at least once a day. There are a lot of different dishes in the house ...

For six and a half years of operation of our PMM, no one from home has even thought about a half load.

Carriages, I will not argue, there are always a lot of dirty dishes, just sometimes, in order not to save up, I turn on half the load. I have 4 people, my husband is at work all day (he probably makes the most dirty dishes), the eldest son is at school for half a day, the two of us are at home with the youngest son (only when he is sick). And from two there are not enough dishes, so in the evening everyone comes, they sit down to eat, then I can score a full PMM.

Comrades, do I understand correctly that only 3 out of 3 sprayers work at half load? Or does it depend on the model?
It is important and which half to load: top or bottom?

[Anastasiay]

Anastasiay, Depends on the model. Everything worked for me both top and bottom. But I washed it badly. Indeed, it was only possible to wash a small amount of not very dirty dishes. Indesite 45 cm

Comrades, do I understand correctly that only 3 out of 3 sprayers work at half load? Or does it depend on the model?
It is important and which half to load: top or bottom?

I heard there are PMM models at half load, 1 sprayer works, that is, only 1 basket of dishes is loaded, both sprayers work in my model, I have Hans.

Hello everyone! Tell me, does the BOSCH SPV50E70EU model have an automatic setting for "tablets", or can the user independently select the type of detergent by pressing the appropriate button?

Bosches (Siemens, Neff) do not have manual adjustment to tablets at all.

[sazalexter]

Bosches (Siemens, Neff) do not have manual adjustment to tablets at all.

Either I put it wrong, or you misunderstood me.
I wanted to ask. Can only tablets be used with this model?
or is there a switch for powder / salt / washer to manually fill?



sazalexter,
Need your advice, is it possible to install a PM with a gas stove?

[Njashka]

Njashka, well, let's try again.
At BSH can not be manual switches to tablets. Like, they have "auto-detection". It used to work because there was no rinse aid in the hopper, but now it seems to be enough just to set it, rinse aid, to zero. Then the last rinse is slightly lengthened in time and the temperature rises slightly. In fact, there is absolutely no difference than washing, even with a tablet or with a powder - and so, and so everything is normally washed and rinsed, and drying in general will depend more on the presence of a heat exchanger or on the length of the program.

One "but" - if we use both a tablet and a rinse aid, then the salt settings must be pressed, and if the water is soft, then you can not pour it at all. So that the water does not "soften", because the tablet already contains water softeners. However, they are also in powder.)

[Bijou]

Bijou, all clear!
Thank you!
then I will decide on the spot, the more I like it, so I will use it.

[Njashka]

Njashka, Yugan, of course, can be installed with a gas stove. If a gas oven requires some distance from the oven, a small air gap is desirable.

I have had a dishwasher next to a gas stove for 12 years. There is a gap of about 1 cm between them. Recently, everything was moved, the stove and the dishwasher. The dishwasher itself was opened, no consequences from contact were found. The dishwasher's drain hose burst at the bend, but that's another story.

[Girls and boys!]

Girls and boys! Help urgently! I choose PMM, they advise this one in the store:

Dishwasher Bosch SPV 40E70 EU

Price: 7505 UAH
Energy saving class: A +
Start programming (3 - 6 - 9 hours)
Servolock system for "soft" door opening / closing
Glass protection system GlassProtec
AquaStop system

TECHNOLOGICAL EQUIPMENT
ActiveWater hydraulic system
DosageAssist Uniform Detergent Dissolution System
EcoSilence Drive engine
Two DuoPower rocker arms in the upper basket
Water purity control sensor AquaSensor, Load sensor
Automatic system for determining the type of detergent
Heat exchanger
Variable water technology
Regeneration electronics
Three-level self-cleaning filtration system
The control panel is welded at the end of the doors
LED display to indicate program progress
Acoustic signal for the end of the program
LED Indicator Color: Red
Salt indicator and rinse aid indicator

PROGRAMS AND SPECIAL FUNCTIONS
4 programs: "Intensive 70 ° C", "Economy 50 ° C",
"Fast 45 ° C", "Pre-rinse"
1 special function: "Half load"
3 temperature settings

DISH BOXES
Loading: 9 place settings
Vario boxes
Silver XXL boxes
Height adjustable upper box
2 foldable plate racks in the lower basket
Cutlery rack in the upper basket
2 folding cups in the upper basket

TECHNICAL INFORMATION
Inner chamber material: stainless steel
Rear leg height adjustment from the front
Metal plate to protect the underside of the countertop from steam
Noise level: 48 dB
Size (HxWxD): 81.5 x 44.8 x 55 cm
Dishwasher ActiveWater 45 with height-adjustable top basket: offers more space for large and bulky dishes

AquaStop: 100% leakage protection guaranteed
GlassProtec glass protection technology: especially gentle cleaning of your glasses
EcoSilence Drive engine: the perfect combination of economical performance, quietness and durability.
10 Years Warranty: Our Convincing Promise Against Rust Perforating Inner Chamber PMM

I translated very quickly, something turned out awkward ... but I think it's understandable.

What can you say about this PMM? Is it worth taking?

Dishwasher Bosch SPV 40E70 EU
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I translated very quickly, something turned out awkward ...

What language did you translate from? Here 🔗 everything is in Russian.

Normal narrow-size machine. And if the assembly is also German, as they say on the Rosette, then it will be very good ...

Price: 7505 UAH

But this is really bad! In decent stores now this PMM costs 12000-13000 UAH. Perhaps you are offered substandard, or a double bass ... Keep me out of such misfortune ...

Wow...

But this is really bad! In decent stores now this PMM costs 12000-13000 UAH. Perhaps you are offered substandard, or a double bass ... Keep me out of such misfortune ...

How do you know?

How do you know?

Go to the hotline: 🔗
See the prices of 75 offers: 7 180 - 13 378 UAH. The lower range - all unknown small counters, which I had never heard of. The upper range is the well-known, time-tested old offices with a good reputation.
You go to your shop, and then tell us that they answered the question there - what, in fact, is the catch with such a range of prices? And why are you so cheap? And then we laugh together about the low taxes, duties, direct deliveries, and other nonsense about a veiled double bass in their store ...
And it would also be nice to warn them that this product will be registered on the manufacturer's website. And according to the serial number, the country of manufacture and the recipient country of this PMM will be determined. And to clarify from whom the guarantee will be - from the store or the manufacturer?

And one more thing ... It happens that this model is sold in the same store at completely different prices. Rate:
🔗 - 7 886 UAH
🔗 - 13 378 UAH

Sorry, this is how to understand?

It is difficult and dangerous to advise here ... Perhaps you will be able to save a lot. And it is possible that a cheap purchase will turn out to be a headache that will manifest itself immediately, or after some time ...

Horror...

Horror...

And here is the answer from the store, regarding:
And one more thing ... It happens that this model is sold in the same store at completely different prices. Rate:
🔗 - 7 886 UAH
🔗 - 13 378 UAH
Sorry, this is how to understand?



If the manufacturer's warranty is a "white" product, imported officially, and for which all taxes and duties have been paid, and this is taken into account in the price of the product.
If the guarantee from the store is a specific contraband.

Both PMMs will work, but the contraband model may have problems with warranty and post-warranty service and repair.

Shl. Think for yourself, decide for yourself - To have or not to have.

Thank you, Konstantin!

I have a dishwasher for several months, Candy. I was just wildly delighted when I did buy it and was even a little indignant at the opinion that I heard around, and from people who do not have a dishwasher, that they do not wash well and are generally easier with their hands, and they do not need it, etc. Like many, I first ordered the kitchen, and then after a couple of years I wanted this car, but there was nowhere to go. But thanks to our Hlebopechkin people, I did it. I believed you, those people who have it! I called my dad with the tools, they redid the headset, that's it, I'm happy. Home too) Nobody else hears anything about the dishes) At first, I washed everything I could and needed. Washes super, I can not and do not want and do not have the opportunity to wash the dishes as much as she does !!! Who else doubts, who has the opportunity and desire to acquire it, this message is dedicated) Take it !!! Thank you all girls! Someone else here well said that any is better than none, forgive me not literally, and I don't remember who, but it helped me a lot in my choice.

[Vivita]

Vivitawhat is your model?

Candy CDP 4609X

Oh, and not very expensive. Thanks for the feedback)

girls, please tell me, does anyone have a Hotpoint Ariston LTF 11M116 EU? The store is praised, but there are few reviews.

Girls, can anyone use my advice. I have PMM for the second SIEMENS. Bought in a new kitchen (built-in). I bought the first one in 2006. It was Boshik (45 cm - not built-in). Somehow the tablets and powder ran out. And the dishes had to be washed. I read the composition of the powder (and tablets) for PMM and the composition of the washing machine Ariel for white (Persil is also suitable for white). To my surprise, they were practically identical. Since then, I have also been washing them with these washing powders (from others, white bloom). To this day, the PMMka born in 2006 is still alive with friends in the village (very active - they have 4 children). It has never been repaired. In the new PMM, I also use washing powder. Of course I use salt for PMM. The powder is often stock. So it turns out that for 250 - 300 rubles, you can buy 3 kg. powder - saving))

[js290383]

js290383, if you think about it, maybe nothing will come from washing powder, but for the human body, washing powder is definitely more harmful! It is also intended for washing clothes, and means for PMM are specially made for washing dishes. Because dishwashing detergent is not completely washed off the dishes and particles remain, which then get into our food from our plates.

There, the composition of the powder and tablets is completely identical. By the way, she rinses me 7 times. The dishes are crystal clear. Creaks and shines)

A. Thank you, otherwise I'm my Japanese. Kilo for 500 at a discount, and not at a discount, so the whole thousand goes away

[js290383]

js290383, it seems to me that the composition may be identical, but the ratio of the ingredients is different, which, as Lyudmila wrote, can actually be toxic ... although, on the other hand, I think there is still a relationship with the temperature of washing dishes

I read the composition of the powder (and tablets) for PMM and the composition of the washing machine Ariel for white (Persil is also suitable for white). To my surprise, they were practically identical. Since then, I have also been washing them with these washing powders (from others, white bloom). To this day, the PMMka born in 2006 is still alive with friends in the village (very active - they have 4 children). It has never been repaired. In the new PMM I also use washing powder.

It is not clear just why you still need a washing machine? On the upper tier of the PMM - glass, plates, on the lower tier - sheets and duvet covers. Or vice versa, whichever is dirtier.In the cutlery compartment - panties and socks. Instead of rinse aid - fabric softener. Krrrasota!
And if instead of gel for washing you use wine with spices, then in the dishwasher you can quickly and effectively marinate meat for barbecue. And after the washing machine, the marinated meat from the centrifuge tank will be even more tender. Only here you need to use the mode without rinsing and spinning ...

[Constantin]

Constantin, no, and if indeed the composition detergent powders identical

from salt and rinse aid js290383 does not refuse

why laugh and make fun of, everyone wants to save money, if possible



I'm in the washing machine with a young small carrot * my * and nothing - ok

[salt is not shown to us.]

We also save. In Leningrad, the water is very soft - salt is not shown to us.Although some ignore it, and the cars do not stand it - they break down.
And powder, with soft water, leaves two times less. I have not been using pills for a long time, you cannot divide them. And the powder - please!

why laugh and make fun of, everyone wants to save money, if possible

If the main goal is saving, then wash the dishes with handles, in baking soda and mustard. This forum has this topic: https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...on=com_smf&topic=422672.0
Even gentle baby laundry detergents are different from dishwashing detergents. The composition of the enzymes is different, the detergent components are somewhat different. And phosphate-containing Ariel, Persil, and others like them, for dishes in general akhgung.

In principle, we have democracy and pluralism here on the forum. Everyone is free to act and use whatever hits his head. However, I would advise everyone to be very wary of this particular experience.

In Leningrad, the water is very soft

we also have soft water

So, I filled up the salt, the powder can be reduced, the rinse to a minimum?

If the main goal is saving

this is not the main goal, who bought PM does not save

everyone already knows about * alternative * means of washing, for PM it does not work

but washing powder and powder for dishwasher are really very similar, the same phosphates and pea and fragrances

okay, we will take dishwasher powders, but Julia wrote about her real experience, I think that he has the right to be

And phosphate-containing Ariel, Persil, and others like them, for dishes in general akhgung.

Konstantin, powders for PM without phosphates? or is it just expensive-expensive-expensive without phosphates?
otherwise I don't want to buy dear-dear ones

[Irsha]

Irsha, to save salt, set the water hardness value in the settings of your PMM to a minimum. The amount of powder required depends only on how dirty the dishes are. Rinse aid - below average.

[Constantin]

Constantin,

Costantin, powders for PM without phosphates?

Worse: no phosphates or phosphonates. In Europe, phosphate-containing agents have been banned from this year at all ... This is in our country, and in some other "developed" countries, you can continue to litter everything around you with phosphoric acid salts ...

[Do not use salt at any time! You can't !!!]

Quote: The dog is gray from Today at 14:23
In Leningrad, the water is very soft
we also have soft water

then I fell asleep salt

Do not use salt at any time! You can't !!! I wrote!




Salt - for softening water. We already have soft!

Do not use salt at any time! You can't !!! I wrote!

Why not? Don't scare people with bold.

The salt only rinses the ion-exchange resin participating in the process of water softening in the PMM. The hardness sensor only regulates how much salt is spent on washing such a resin. And that's all - there is nothing terrible about it.

The machine will not last long if it is not operated correctly. No salt needed!



In general, stop expressing yourself!

The machine will not last long if it is not operated correctly. No salt needed!

The machine will not last long if it is not operated correctly. Salt is a must! But for soft water, it is consumed very little.

The instructions for the PMM say that it is not needed. A tester was also included to determine the stiffness.

The salt only rinses the ion-exchange resin participating in the process of water softening in the PMM. The hardness sensor only regulates how much salt is spent on washing such a resin. And that's all - there is nothing terrible about it.

How is it not? And what about increased glass corrosion or a rainbow on cheap stainless steel?

You can contact the manufacturers directly. Why do they not recommend sprinkling salt with soft water? In the instructions, everything is written very clearly - to what extent - how much salt to pour. Business then! Teach them. And we'll see.



Page 12 of the instructions for PMM Electrolux ESL 45010 !!!



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Electrolux ESL 45010

I don't understand ... Chinese woman, or what? I mean, Midea, right?

[candy cdp 4709-07]

The salt only rinses the ion-exchange resin participating in the process of water softening in the PMM. The hardness sensor only regulates how much salt is spent on washing such a resin. And that's all - there is nothing terrible about it.

I learned this while reading the topic



candy cdp 4709-07

well here, a good explanation for stupid people like me