Tanya-Fanya
SvetLanaSSh, in short, I compared them.
Bosch spv40x90 does not have the additional vario speed function that Siemens sr64m002 has.
At the same time, Bosch has an additional hygiene function, that is, the last rinse at 70 g

Correcting!
Bijou
Quote: Omka
On my Siemens panel it says - made in Germany. Does this mean anything ... xs
Quite to itself means. The BSH was never caught hiding the place of production. I don’t know how it is now, but earlier they put in a dishwasher a large sheet with a list of all the models produced just at the place of production. It seems that even washing machines were entered there for the company. I don't remember about ovens.))
k @ wka
When I was still choosing the brand and characteristics, I read somewhere that Bosch and Siemens do only in Germany.
Believe it or not? I do not know
And I also have only Made in Germany everywhere
Tanya-Fanya
Quote: SoNika

Manya, glad for you, you are the first one who does not blow off fat deposits from pots
I never have fat left. And the protein will remain only if the broth has been cooked for a very long time, even with boiling.




Bijou, Lena, you say everything right. Last fall I was specifically engaged in the selection of equipment for the kitchen - :))) by the way, not without your participation, thanks!
So, if made in Germany is indicated on the PMM or on the oven on the facade, then it is directly assembled there. I was very annoyed with such an inscription on one oven, it was very suitable for me in function, and the inscription was right in the center, like on the forehead. For a long time I fought with her, it turned out, on the contrary, the very pride.
In short, the presence of this inscription confirms the place of assembly in Germany.
k @ wka
Quote: Tanya-Fania
protein will remain

I wipe this rim from the protein plaque with a sponge (hard side), literally in one movement ... And I'm not worried about this. Sometimes there are also cloudy spots at the bottom, and they too. And immediately in the PMM. Very clean pans always come out. And most importantly, you do not need to WIPE them. They are dry ..
Tanya-Fanya
k @ wka, similarly.
SoNika
Girls, we somehow in Italy got into a conversation with a Russian-speaking seller, and asked about this question, but about the things, to which we received an answer that, for example, they have practically no production of their own, only design and other developments, but they are sewn and manufactured, and cosmetics, in China, and they only control the process. The Chinese themselves say that this is why they pay big salaries to the imp. specialists, because they themselves are not yet ready for this, but only reproduce according to the model and reproduce ... although the spouse, after visiting China, claims that local decent factories produce no worse quality .. I have written on PMM done in Sweden, and since it was very good. I believe for a long time ... I am a washing master. m. said that you can somehow believe in it, if the models were released before 2008, and there is no guarantee for the rest, so not always, what they write on the fence lies there, although you want to believe
Bijou
Quote: k @ wka
Believe it or not? I do not know
I'm afraid to lie, but CDs are like in Spain. Previously, solo machines were in Poland, and the entire installation was only in Germany. But now the installation of some lines from Poland is underway. What I haven't seen yet is China. Previously, there were some washers from there, then they opened a plant near St. Petersburg, and from the Middle Kingdom, only a hybrid washer-dryer remained. Oh, that's about dryers not in the know where they collect.
SoNika
k @ wka, I don’t know what it depends on ..., but lately he has been a hooligan, often unwashed steel pots, I don’t ask any of my friends, they say that the same story ... maybe depends on water and on the funds that we sell. Moreover, the water in the water softening chamber began to disappear ...
Sonadora
Quote: Tanya-Fania

At the same time, Bosch has an additional hygiene function, that is, the last rinse at 70 g
Tatyana, Siemens, if I don't confuse anything, also has a "hygiene" function - a button with a baby bottle (I don't remember what exactly it means: rinsing at a high temperature. or washing at a high temperature.)
Omka
Quote: Tanya-Fania

SvetLanaSSh, in short, I compared them.
Bosch spv40x90 does not have the additional vario speed function that Siemens sr64m001 has.
At the same time, Bosch has an additional hygiene function, that is, the last rinse at 70 g

I use Vario-speed regularly. Hygiene, kmk, can be replaced simply by washing at a higher temperature, for me this is an automatic program 65-75
Tanya-Fanya
Quote: Sonadora

Tatyana, Siemens, if I don't confuse anything, also has a "hygiene" function - a button with a baby bottle (I don't remember exactly what it means: rinsing at a high temp. or washing at a high temp.)

Manya! Thank you! I fixed! Confusion came out with the last digit at Simmens
k @ wka
Quote: SoNika
k @ wka, I don’t know what it depends on ..., but lately he has been a hooligan, often not washed pots of steel, I don’t ask any of my friends, they say that the same story ... maybe it depends on water and on the means that we are being sold. Moreover, the water in the water softening chamber began to disappear ...
Or maybe the quality of funds for PMM? Have you tried to change it?
I like the powder for PMM from our Belarusian manufacturer. Not expensive at all and works well. It is also easier to dose than tablets. I add depending on the amount of dishes
SoNika
k @ wka, you need to search the shops ... we had a lot of your shops before, especially meat ones, then they suddenly curled up and disappeared, we need to look. What is the name of the product, Galin?
k @ wka
I'll take a picture, it will be easier to search
Just yesterday I bought a pack, I was on the stock.





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Here's one. There is also a rinse aid of the same company. I like that it doesn't smell
SoNika
Galina, thank you look.
Irgata
Quote: SoNika
often not washed pots
SoNika, maybe you need to clean the holes in the rocker arms?
SoNika
Irsha, thanks, I didn't even think about it even though the master did something
Kapet
Quote: k @ wka
Here's one. There is also a rinse aid of the same company. I like that it doesn't smell
How many phosphates / phosphonates are in such a powder / rinse aid? Show the composition!




Quote: k @ wka
I like the powder for PMM from our Belarusian manufacturer. Not expensive at all and works well.
If not expensive, then it is with phosphates / phosphonates. God bless Belarus ...
We in Ukraine have our own powder, high-quality and environmentally friendly, phosphate-free, - DeLaMark. So it is not cheap at all ... Although it is significantly cheaper than solid eco-friendly Frosch, BioMio, Sodasan, and others, imported high-quality eco ...

Shl. By the way, don't forget: Important! Enzymes (enzymes) do not work at temperatures above 50 ° C. To allow the enzymes in the powder to work, use Eco, Bio, or other low temperature dishwashing programs.

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Enzymes (enzymes) wash protein, tea and coffee deposits on dishes.
Anastasiay
Hello everyone! I want to raise the eternal question in choosing a dishwasher: 45cm or 60cm?
There has been silence in the Special Topic since 2014, so I am writing here
In general, I tend to lean more and more towards 45 cm.
Please share your experience. Maybe there are good reasons to buy 60cm?
V-tina
Quote: Anastasiay
Maybe there are good reasons to buy 60cm?
There is! There are only four of us and 60 cm. The dishwasher is not enough! I run, most often, 2 times a day, plus space for large pots and trays 60 cm long.
Kapet
Quote: Anastasiay
Maybe there are good reasons to buy 60cm?
Half-joking / half-serious: 45 cm - one pampering ... What fits into it can be washed with your hands in 2-5 minutes under the tap. And 60 cm, indeed, - there is always something to fill ...
Ketsal
Anastasiay, here I have 60 and do not regret it. A family in the village of 4 people, and so they ran 2p a day. 60 seems like a lot. a couple of pots, a couple of salad bowls, and so full of little things. To rinse well without over-stuffing. I have a Bosch 60 cm, so once a day I drove a full one and once a day in half. 45 cm is when there is absolutely trouble with the place.I would take 60 but with a half load. Good luck. Almost all PMMs do not wash the broth rim well, but it is easy to wash it afterwards. And I would look at the temperature range. I have a maximum of 60, sometimes I think I need 70
Sonadora
Quote: Kapet

60 cm, indeed, - there is always something to fill ...
Especially after friendly gatherings. To stuff all the dishes at 45 is still Tetris.
Kapet
Quote: Ketsal
Almost all PMMs do not wash the broth rim well, but it is easy to wash it afterwards. And I would look at the temperature range. I have a maximum of 60, sometimes I think I need 70
A common mistake ...
Protein deposits, as well as coffee and tea rims, are cleaned by enzymes that are part of the PMM products. Enzymes work effectively at water temperatures up to 50 degrees. Higher in temperature, they are almost useless. Try to wash such dirt in the "Eco" mode, or some other, in which the temperature does not rise above 50 degrees ...
Shl. We mainly use eco-friendly tablets Frosch Soda and BioMio Total in Eco 50 mode - there are no problems with protein deposits or rims, with daily standard washing ... But if you stuffed greasy dishes, or after the oven, with carbon deposits, then yes, - a higher temperature is required here, and the more the better ...
Ketsal
Kapet, well, I tried it at 50, somehow it does not creak, maybe I'm crazy. boom think
Kapet
Ketsal, I do not know what you use, but I read somewhere that more enzymes are put in the formulations of phosphate-free agents. This is also why we have them more expensive than phosphate ... And in Europe, phosphate products are banned from this year for sale and use, and therefore they do not have such an imbalance in prices ...
Ketsal
Kapet, I will try bio myo. I didn't like their dishwashing detergent in the sink. rather, I liked that it was odorless, but it washes not ice, does not creak
k @ wka
Quote: Anastasiay
I want to raise the eternal question in choosing a dishwasher: 45cm or 60cm?
It all depends on the number of family members. If you have a large family, then the number of dishes will be correspondingly larger.
I have 45 cm, for two sometimes I collect dishes for several days. And a big car would definitely be useless to me. I would buy even less now, so as not to collect the dishes, but to wash them right away. Moreover, not everything can be washed in it.
V-tina
Quote: k @ wka
Moreover, not everything can be washed in it.
Galina, I wash everything except the meat grinder and knives and knives, too, when my husband is in a good mood and will sharpen them again
Kapet
Quote: k @ wka
It all depends on the number of family members.
Absolutely right! And also from the manner of relations with dishes. One has no problem rinsing a cup under the tap after tea or coffee. The other puts everything in the dishwasher on the machine. That is, as you like, and as you are used to ...
For example, when I cook real pilaf in a cast-iron cauldron, then I have a bunch of bowls, pots, and so on at the same time. see would have scored it all easily ...
In general, there is a separate topic here: Dishwasher - Narrow or Full Size?

Shl. Or you just don't know how to effectively use the PMM ...

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VolzhankaD

I read about it, but I imagined how the PMM hoses would clog up with earth and sand ... And I don't have a separate rinse with cold water ...
Kapet
Quote: VolzhankaD
but I imagined how the PMM hoses would clog up with earth and sand ...
No, - here's the sneakers to wash in the washing machine - we did this at home, without any problems. But in the PMM? - And it never occurred to me ... Let's also wash the socks in the PMM, tying them to the rocker arms ...
k @ wka
Kapet,
Quote: VolzhankaD
Or you just don't know how to effectively use the PMM ...
More about jars / sachets, pzhalsta
Or is it like my friend's? She uses PMM to store plastic containers, jars, boxes ...
Kapet
Quote: k @ wka
Or is it like my friend's?
All photos are taken from the Internet. I thought it was funny ...
k @ wka
Quote: Kapet
One has no problem rinsing a cup under the tap after tea or coffee.The other puts everything in the dishwasher on the machine. That is, as you like, and as you are used to ...
That's just the point, "I'm so used to it." Yes, and much more dishes are needed. I have already displayed almost all the plates, even from the ceremonial service. And then the clean ones also need to be stored somewhere. Again, spoons / forks had to be bought in order not to carry them out of the PMM while waiting for washing




Quote: Kapet
All photos are taken from internet
Human laziness is limitless
Kapet
k @ wka, I have a similar situation at home, one-to-one, unfortunately ... When we bought a dishwasher, we thought that we would not see the dirty dishes, only in the dishwasher ... Aha, right now! The number of crockery and cutlery has increased, and, as a result, it was like poo ...
But personal time really increases, because you don't have to stand over a pile of dishes.
And hands are careful ... I don’t like these gloves ... They don’t feel the cleanliness of the dishes ... As my friend said: sex with a condom is like swimming in rubber boots in the Bahamas in the ocean ...

Once again I apologize for the offtopic!
VolzhankaD
k @ wka, photos are not mine, but I would venture to suggest. Jars are prepared for pasteurization of blanks, and sachets are prepared for sous vide preparation. For pasteurization, the product must be kept at t 60 gr. 1 hour or 80 gr. 30 minutes. - I did this with village milk in a slow cooker, instead of boiling. You save electricity or gas needed for separate cooking.
Vredin @
Quote: Anastasiay
In general, I tend to lean more and more towards 45 cm.
Please share your experience. Maybe there are good reasons to buy 60cm?
I will add my voice to the PMM 60 cm. A lot is not enough.
We typed a full PMM during the day, great, turned it on and went to bed. Got half of it, do the same. I don’t understand why to collect dishes for 2-3 days. What are the savings? Naturally, you shouldn't start 2 plates, but half of the PMM is 60 cm, this is a mountain of dishes.
I have a PMM 45 cm, a family of 3 people. I turn on the machine every day, to the eyeballs, but these are mainly cups, glasses, plates and salad bowls. The pans in it are not mine at all, because I use mainly cast iron, which cannot be washed in the PMM.
I love my PMM with tender sincere love, but I understand that 60 cm is better. My good reasons to buy 60 cm - two pots of 3 liters or more will not fit into one 45 cm tray. A small baking sheet generally takes up the entire tray. If I washed the pans, I don't even know where I would put them. Therefore, in my opinion, it is better to leave a place in a large one than to have to wash the dishes with your hands with a small one.
Kapet
Quote: Wredin @
If I washed the frying pans
In the PMM, it is highly undesirable to wash any pans. Neither cast iron, nor non-stick coated, nor just metal ... Whatever the manufacturers of these pans themselves write about it ...
k @ wka
Quote: Wredin @
Naturally, you shouldn't start 2 plates
The fact of the matter is that sometimes it happens (and often) that you need to wash one plate and one cup today, one tomorrow, etc., etc.
The husband is at work, then at the dacha And there are not many dishes for one person, so sometimes I collect for several days
NNM
Good afternoon everyone!
Ripe to buy a dishwasher. The choice fell on Bosch SPV47E10RU. Chosen: 45 cm, the presence of a sink at 70 degrees, the third level of loading. I do not know if the position of the middle basket is adjustable. There is no way to see it live, because it will be brought only on order. Still wondering if it will be possible to buy a watering can for washing trays. This is the first dishwasher. Tell me, good people, it's worth ordering or looking for something else. Thank you.
Kapet
NNM, but download and read the operating manual - not?
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The position of the middle basket is adjusted there (p. 20-21 in the manual). Yes, and here it can be seen (on Citylink, 🔗):
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It will wash the baking sheets without a watering can ... All the same, it will not wash the burnt baking sheets perfectly, and you will have to scrape off the carbon deposits with your hands.

IMHO a good machine! It is quite possible to take.

Shl. If you are more than two, then seriously consider the PMM 60 cm
NNM
Kapet, thank you very much!
Yes, of course, you had to download the manual, the choice was already spinning my head. I asked for help from the audience. I'll follow the link and read the manual.
There is no carbon deposits on the baking sheets (paper and rugs will help us), but we are tired of washing the fat, which gets everywhere.
If you don't need a watering can, I won't bother. We will estimate the rest during operation.
Kapet
Quote: NNM
If you don't need a watering can, I won't bother.
It's good with a watering can, but it's not fatal without it. It will wash off the fat and so and so. Only for very dirty greasy dishes I recommend using some kind of poisonous-chemical smelly Finish. And look for safer natural products for daily washing. There is a separate topic here ...
NNM
Quote: Kapet

There is a separate topic here ...
Thank you!
I'll go there tomorrow ...
Information needs to be received in doses.
owb
Quote: NNM
worth ordering or looking for something else
Siemens SR 64E075 - instead of a useless 1/2 load, there is an accelerated wash.
Taia
Quote: owb

Siemens SR 64E075 - instead of a useless 1/2 load, there is an accelerated wash.

Why with "instead of"? Is there an accelerated wash even in obscure, budget dishwashers?
NNM
I did not find Siemens SR 64E075 with us. There are 072 in Eldorado, and 073 in MVideo. But they do not have 70 degrees, but there is the Auto 45-65 program, which somehow does not inspire confidence. Bosch has some kind of Fast 45, although Siemens has it too. I'll try to search again, suddenly a miracle will happen.
sazalexter
Quote: NNM
but there is a program Auto 45-65
The most popular program, but the fast one, as a rule, without drying, is not needed at all.

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