Dishwasher selection (2)

In Mvideo, there are now promotions for some PMM Bosch models. Within 20 thousand you can buy.

Friends, help with advice, please!
Parents choose a dishwasher in the house. 60 cm, without any bells and whistles, up to 30 tons.
Now we have stopped at Bosch SMV30D30RU and Ariston ELTF 11M121C EU.
I like the company in Boch, but I don't like the basket for forks-spoons and the small number of plastic shelves.
In Ariston, they like the shelves (on both sides of the upper basket + an additional one is installed above this basket), and the basket is compact, and the organization of space in general.
I have Ariston at home at 45cm for 2 years and (mmm) everything is fine with him, only he cannot wash the dried porridge.

So the question is: to score on the convenience of the organization and take Bosch or vice versa? Will Bosch wash better?

[Lyuba]

Lyuba, in rmm wash jets of water and products
That is, the number of these jets, their power and direction are important, the rest is a matter of chemistry)
After all, in PMM, drying is still important .. its quality and principle ...
The organization of the space is also very important, because they will have to arrange the dishes, this is important so that it is convenient ...
Are there only two options? Maybe someone else to see?

[Katerina]

Katerina, unfortunately, we have budget cars in our city - one or two and missed.
Literally an hour ago, my dad came and said to take the one that is more convenient, because indeed in these machines the sprinklers are the same and the drying principle is also the same (condensation, class A). So let's try another Ariston

[Lyuba]

Lyuba, good luck to you) I hope it will serve faithfully and perfectly clean everything

[Irinusik86]

Irinusik86, Irina, there are manufacturers of the first stage for the production of PMM Bosch / Siemens, AEG / Electrolux everything else is a big lottery, PMM for 30tr I gave, see the links above. The bells and whistles in the PMM are especially not needed, the main thing is that the soap is good

It turns out that these manufacturers produce at their factories? And then, if I'm not mistaken, there are companies that produce their dishwashers at the same plant in China (speaking of the quality of China): Korting, Hansa, Elextrolux, Flavia, Candy, Samsung ... It turns out. that this plant is the first in production. I wonder how much you can compare these dishwashers with each other? How can they differ in quality?

Korting, Hansa, Elextrolux, Flavia, Candy, Samsung

PMM Electrolux is not assembled in China !!! They are collected in Poland and Italy.

PMM Electrolux is not assembled in China !!! They are collected in Poland and Italy.

Maybe not 100% of the assortment, but only some models. Or maybe I'm wrong, I won't argue. Unless I know for sure which models

Please tell me, is the length of the hoses standard on all machines? And the one that is screwed to cold water does not build up? (In the tool they write that it is screwed only to the pipe, and if you do it wrong, the aquastop will not work)

[Irinusik86]

Irinusik86, builds up and, if necessary, changes to a new, longer one.

Is it changing to a new special one? Where to buy it? And what is better to build up or change to a longer one? (Which will be safer for repairing neighbors living below?)

Changes to a new special one, bought in a plumbing store, it is better to change to a longer one, in extreme cases it can be increased.

He's probably expensive? But how to ask, is it for PM or is it standard and suitable for all equipment? I am somehow afraid to take this off and put on a new one, after all, she is under warranty, but if the marriage (I installed it myself), and in the store they cling to the fact that we removed the hose from her. The length of the hose is 1.5 m, I would have another 50 cm and I will be happy

[Irinusik86]

Irinusik86, Ask how to wash, but if you have an aquastop in the trash, (thickening on the hose) only build up.

Yes, there is aquastop, so I'm afraid to increase it. In the instructions it is impossible, after all.

I wrote a comparison of a 45 cm dishwasher and a tabletop one. Many are tormented by a choice, it can help. https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=27351.0

Hello, I came to express my gratitude for the advice in choosing a PM. Bought
PM Flavia FS 60 ENZA (though other brands advised me, but by the end of the year
there was a good discount on it and I could not resist) (it is not an installation, but
I found a place for her only under the countertop). Me oh-oh-very
like it, I don’t remember my dishes so shiny new. I have it
washes the rim of soup and boiling water. milk (although I did not hope for this, because
I read on many forums that it only degreases, but the film does not matter
wipe with hands) I have been using it since the end of December and during this time she could not
handle once (with a can of pate, pieces remain at the bottom). Have
it is not a plastic facade, but glass, as in ovens (no traces are visible, only
at an angle if you look closely. I just wipe it with microfiber) Thanks for
tips and tricks, if not for this forum, then I did not buy this
wonderful assistant. If you have any questions, I will be happy to answer.

and I want to share my joy. looking for a dishwasher for mom. found. Ardo for 9 sets is not built-in for 11,000 rubles !!!!! new in the Atlantservice store! the price is affordable for many, although of course I found it cool.
I mean: we either set goals and try to achieve them, or we prove to the whole world why this cannot be done. the first is more constructive, it seems to me

[Irinusik86]

Irinusik86, congratulations on the purchase of an assistant, let it serve for a long time and only please!

Added on Tuesday 07 Feb 2017 09:48 PM

aprelinka, congratulations, the price is really fabulous!

[Annutka]

Annutka, thank you))) I didn’t believe it myself when the price was: girl_romashka: shala

[aprelinka]

aprelinka, respect !! Who seeks will always find!

[redleafa]

redleafa,

It seems that Siemens has surpassed everyone and everything in its innovations ... A new word in dishwashing: a large drum for fragile dishes:

🔗

Why for fragile dishes? Click here for a dryer description
At one time I dreamed that there was a washing and a dishwasher in one bottle. Someone, apparently, also sins with this.

Sorry for offtopic!

it is not an installation, but
I found a place for her only under the countertop

Irina, tell me, please, did you remove the top cover from it? Or did she just fit under the countertop?

Yes, I did, I didn't fit with the lid, and without the lid the distance from the table top to the PM is about 1 cm. If you don't bend over and look closely, you can't see it at all. As if inline

Today I stumbled upon LG D1463CF there are very few reviews, but I liked the characteristic (quiet, 3 baskets (convenient height adjustment), it seems that the programs are not bad (this is my first machine, I got all the information about the programs from this forum) Does anyone have such a model? Share your impressions.

LG dishwashers are some of the best in our markets. There were ... The strange marketing policy of the manufacturer, or rather the complete absence of LG's marketing policy for these PMMs in the CIS countries, led to the termination of the supply of these machines to us. And the information on them was removed from the official website. It's a pity! PMM LG - the quietest. You can stand next to a working machine and not guess that it works. Korean assembly, excellent quality, inverter motor with direct drive system, for which 10 years warranty. Eh ... For two years we have been working in the kitchen in our office ...

Added Thursday, 23 Feb 2017 12:46 pm

Irina, there are manufacturers of the first stage for the production of PMM Bosch / Siemens, AEG / Electrolux 🔗 everything else is a big lottery, I brought PMM for 30tr, see the links above. The bells and whistles in the PMM are especially not needed, the main thing is that the soap is good

Almost everything is true.If you do not take into account the folded Miele and SMEG, with their exorbitant prices, then I would arrange these brands in this order:
1. Siemens, German assembly - reliability and quality. But the price matches the reliability and quality ...
2. Bosch, German assembly - very good, but Siemens, as a rule, does not hold out a little, although one office ...
3. LG, Korean assembly. So far, deliveries have been discontinued, unfortunately.
4. AEG, German assembly
5. - Everything else - how lucky ...

The main thing is that the PMM is of high quality and reliable, that is, it serves for a long time before the first breakdown. Now they wash everything well, - it is necessary now to try very hard so that the brand of the upper or middle echelon constructively ruin the quality of washing in its PMM. Well, it would also be nice to be omnivorous in dishwashers (powder, tablets, gels) ...

1. Siemens, German assembly - reliability and quality. But the price matches the reliability and quality ...
2. Bosch, German assembly - very good, but Siemens, as a rule, does not hold out a little, although one office ...

This is not the first time I have seen such your statement. I could not resist.)) And what is the reason for such a strange conclusion, if these machines consist of the same spare parts, come off the same conveyor and are often absolute doubles?

[Bijou]

Bijou, - not always from the same spare parts, not always from the same conveyor. Compare the prices for twin models of Bosch and Siemens in the same retail outlets, whether it is dishwashers, refrigerators, or hobs, Siemens is always more expensive. Because the purchase price is more expensive. And it is more expensive for a reason. Bosch has a trick in consumer goods in power tools, Siemens in high-quality household appliances. both brands are owned by the same office BS Hausgeräte GmbH. Why should one office keep two different brands with the same twin products with the same reliability and quality? To stick different brand logos through one? That's right - there is no need. Therefore, somewhere one brand is leading, somewhere else ...

Shl. In 1967, Siemens AG, together with Robert Bosch GmbH, founded the Bosch und Siemens Hausgeräte GmbH home appliance company.

Compare prices for twin models from Bosch and Siemens in the same retail outlets - Siemens is always more expensive.

As a representative of BSH once explained, this is due exclusively to the positioning of brands on the market. In Russia, they traditionally love Bosch, so the first thing they do at Siemens is all sorts of new products in order to lure the buyer. Accordingly, cars are more expensive. Then Boshi also tightened up on the filling, but the difference in price and positioning remains. (Your conclusions are an example)

In Germany, on the contrary, Siemens traditionally enjoys great prestige, so Bosches first appear with new items, because Siemens will be bought anyway.)

[Bijou]

Bijou, Well, something like this. Siemens for Germans, with impeccable German quality, Bosch is more for export, for non-Aryans ...

The fate of Bosch and Siemens was interesting. In Germany, the Siemens and Bosch brands are equivalent. As a matter of habit, some users prefer one brand over another. In Turkey, only Bosch is sold, in Hungary - only Siemens. At first Siemens was better known in Russia, now Bosch is in the lead. Maria Nenakhova brought clarity to the positioning of these brands: "Bosch represents what is associated with the hearth and warmth. Siemens embodies everything connected with the interior, design, and home care."
Do you see the difference? Personally, I didn't understand anything ...

P.S. On the web you can find the following: "It was determined (by the headquarters of the German concern) that the Siemens brand will be positioned higher than the Bosch brand. Hence the different design, plus different functional equipment, with the same base."

P.S.II For yourself, you can just make a personal subjective opinion by googling "bosch or siemens". However, there, too, everything is subjective ... Just like me ...

P.S.II For yourself, you can just make a personal subjective opinion by googling "bosch or siemens". However, everything is also absolutely subjective there ... Just like me ...

But explosive drawings are quite objective for themselves, isn't that so?
Have you checked similar models for identity on service sites?

[Kapet]

Kapet, Bijoudon't stop, pliiz. I am closely following your dialogue.
I am trying to understand whether it is worth overpaying (this applies not only to the PM, but also to the vacuum cleaner) for Siemens?

[$ vetLana]

$ vetLanaWhile waiting for Biju to settle down with the "search for truth", some people risk washing the dishes with their hands for a very long time.

And a practical advice - we take a car to fit our needs with the parameters we need. If the question concerns exclusively the choice between three specific brands (Naff is still the same, but Gaggenau is not sure, many of the equipment under this brand is different), then we do not bother at all. Well, or choose by country of production.

$ vetLana, while waiting for Biju to settle down with the "search for truth", some people risk washing the dishes with their hands for a very long time.

Lena, I know for sure that in the near future this is how I will wash the dishes. But I hope that the time will come and I will have a PMM. Therefore, I want to understand which company (companies) to prefer.
Gaggenau is expensive. Never heard of Naff.
Do not drop this topic. Tell me, I will listen and shake my head.

But I hope that the time will come and I will have a PMM. Therefore, I want to understand which company (companies) to prefer.

Of course it will come !!

It's just that BSH is not the cheapest segment. And the expansion of the lineup in the downward direction in order to catch up in price with some Chinese, led to the fact that the initial models were truncated in all directions. The building has no sound insulation, there are no walls at all on the sides (here are the plastic giblets outward), there are no convenient transformable baskets, there is no indication of the end of the program, there are few programs, there is not even a steel bottom - it has become plastic.
Take away the nameplate - no one will even look when nearby even the Chinese look richer.

And yet, many people buy even such cars. And they feel quite fine when "it is necessary and sufficient" for them. For, in principle, there are very few complaints about the quality of washing by Boschas (and the rest of the BSH, of course). But people are happy with other brands too ...

In general, the issue of brand preference is a very slippery issue ... Model lines are changing at such a speed that they do not have time to build up a reputation. There are no statistics from the word at all, marketing and advertising are creeping from everywhere. Midea has flooded the market under different brands and with different qualities. Convenient in all respects, models of any manufacturers are like an airplane, and the same Gorenie can cost more than Bosch, not much different from him in bells and whistles.

Some people squeak with delight about the third basket for washing small things - others throw it in the far drawer first, because otherwise their favorite dishes will not fit. One does not dry, the other does not feel tired, the third has salty dishes. And it can easily turn out to be the same model.

Well, here's how you can give advice, mm?
We buy enough money for that and are happy. Any car is better than nothing.

Any car is better than nothing

Gold words!

Any car is better than nothing.

And I will join. This was my dream from early youth and the first purchased device.

Exactly! Not my first device, but bought in the end !!

Good day! I immediately apologize for the long text. I have not written here for a long time, tricks .. I want to leave a review after some time of using PMM Hansa (9 months). Immediately, I note that the emotions did not end and did not even dull. My pmm is with the third shelf, it is convenient, but it didn’t take root with me, then the soup plates do not fit into the middle one, then the basins-caps into the bottom one .. She took it off, returned it a couple of times on holidays, when there are a lot of saucers and forks-spoons. And so first I tried to push the devices into the side reclining shelves, I did not like it.The decision came by accident, but 100% for me: I put a small stand made of household goods in the lower basket in the left front corner between two non-folding transverse guides. I just didn't like this corner, if I put something high, it might have prevented the lid of the powder compartment from opening. What I want to say is that you need to get used to any thing, adjust it for yourself. According to the modes, I found out that t 60-65 is more than enough, the heating element burned out in the fall, the soap, until they changed, without heating the water at all, that is, COLD! And everything was laundered! Now I often use the program for glass 45 *, it is average in time. And so basically the hour 60 *. Auto, eco and "pots" 65 * 2.5 hours - rarely, according to your mood. I saw a 45cm pmm at a party, very small, the hostess cannot adjust, she hardly uses it. Function 1/2 (for me it means only the upper or lower basket) was used a couple of times in the summer for washing the grill grates. I sometimes use the delayed start. The child lock will come in handy soon.
So, somewhere above I read "any, if only it was!", 100% agree. It was my dream, I realized it and, despite some nuances, I never regretted my choice! All good!

[Galina]

Galina, did it break in 9 months? I just sold my freestanding Bosch and am choosing an installation for 60. The price has now dropped for them and Hansa, Bosch and Veko cost the same. Hansa's functionality captivates, but the reviews on the market confuse. But I also understand that this could be an echo of a marketing war. And real users on our forum. I really want to ask what's what. Who else has Hans and Bekos at 60? Bosch already know, a simple workhorse. But maybe these brands also deserve attention?

[Evgeniya]

Evgeniya, I already wrote on some forum, maybe I'm not very right, but at my house, due to the increased voltage in the network, often something from the equipment burns out, and we live. So I don’t sin on technology. In one multicooker, some kind of thermal fuse was changed several times, the teapot's ten burned out, and the pmm also had ten.

due to the increased voltage in the network, often something from the equipment burns out, and it is still alive

Why so? Now the problem is being solved by purchasing a stabilizer. And the head does not hurt, that the tension jumps.

I have a 60 cm Bosch freestanding without a third shelf. I can't imagine how I would fit everything in 45 cm. Frying pans about the rim from broth on pots does not wash. But the plates and forks are super spoons. I can't live without her

[Evgeniya]

Evgeniya, I have hansa, almost a year. A workhorse, 60 cm built-in, 3 baskets. 3 basket is in demand, plows every day, I am happy with it, came out of the category cheap and cheerful, well, compared to the prices for Bosch and Siemens.

It's just that BSH is not the cheapest segment. And the expansion of the lineup in the downward direction in order to catch up in price with some Chinese, led to the fact that the initial models were truncated in all directions. The building has no sound insulation, there are no walls at all on the sides (here are the plastic giblets outward), there are no convenient transformable baskets, there is no indication of the end of the program, there are few programs, there is not even a steel bottom - it has become plastic.
Take away the nameplate - no one will even look when nearby even the Chinese look richer.

Great statement, I want to thank
As if I put everything in its place

I would like to thank the forum as I studied it for several days and read different opinions.
As a result, once again going to the website of the online store, I saw a gorgeous discount on bosch sps58m98eu (I didn’t look at such models since I automatically discarded everything that was more expensive than a certain amount), but then I fell in love, despite the fact that it was in metal color.
It all started with me thinking about the cheapest and most table-top (since a rented apartment, even though space allows it now, but why do I need such a large dishwasher, because my husband and I are two + a one-year-old child).

In short, I found another online store that is located in my city, and the price was even less than in the first store with a discount, I was waiting in anticipation that I would have a new assistant in the evening, but no luck - this machine was no longer in stock, I made an order and now I will wait a week for my assistant.
Now I want to buy additional dishes, especially forks and spoons, since this machine has a separate pull-out tray for them.

I want to buy dishes, especially forks and spoons

This is definitely necessary, with the purchase of PMM, I was catastrophically short of spoons-forks. I wash it with my hands, I don't turn on the machine every day (I don't have a lot of dishes for two people, I collect it for several days). She put the plates out of the bins almost everything that is. But forks and spoons are not enough. I'm also going to buy it, so as not to carry it from the PMM and not wash it with my hands if necessary.

Hello girls! Please accept me into your wonderful team! I looked after myself PMM Bosch sms 40D12ru! What can you say about this assistant?