Dishwasher selection (2)

[Gibus]

Gibus
There are two of us too. Nothing, decent dishes are collected in a day. When you buy - see for yourself. My dishwasher is always closed. For 2 years nothing happened. I start the car almost every day, we have 45 cm.

[Flaksia]

Flaksia, Thank you,
I reserved a place for it (under 45), and then I thought - what if I won’t use it, could I just close it and forget about its existence.

what if I won't use it,

That you sho ??? In a couple of months you will think with horror how you used to live without her. And after NG and the holidays with them, you will kiss her.

That you sho ??? In a couple of months you will think with horror how you used to live without her. And after NG and the holidays with them, you will kiss her.

In, she said! This technique will never be superfluous, and its money will work with interest!

And yesterday I all the same bought the PMM .. now the agony of choice - where to put ... Maybe someone will give what recommendations?

[* Anyuta *]

* Anyuta * With the purchase of you! Which one?

Veko 6530 ... full-size ... did not "drive" (reading the topic did the trick) ... they honestly said in the store .. they only take them and Vosh, but there have never been any returns along the Veko ... which, by the way , about Bosch it was not said! .. In the store, they saw the "returned" Virpuls .. the sellers do not hide .. used the PMM (it can be seen from it, it seems that they were cutting on it with knives instead of a cutting board), broke down - handed over for repair - significant breakdown - after repair in shop for sale as a "discount" ...

And I placed it as in the photo - I just took out the cupboard, and put a dishwasher in its place. I really, really wanted a dishwasher, and at that time changing furniture in the kitchen was not part of my plans, so I bought a freestanding one. And then, once the dishwasher was on, I changed the stove to a freestanding one.

So I am tormented by the choice .. either to remove 3 drawers, or to take out a whole rack from the kitchen ..... I am ready to donate boxes ... Rack - NO ... But, as luck would have it, it’s easier for men to endure than to remove

By pressing this button, you can get different washing modes, the picture on the display will prompt

Julifera, thanks
I didn’t think that the mode should be switched to wash with gel (I don’t use pills - I’ve read here that this is not the best option)

I didn’t think that the mode should be switched to wash with gel (I don’t use pills - I’ve read here that this is not the best option)
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And what kind of gel, from a bubble?

Julifera, thanks
I didn’t think that the mode should be switched to wash with gel (I don’t use pills - I’ve read here that this is not the best option)

Usually gels go - all inclusive - that is, both the rinse aid and the salt are already there, then for PMM it is like a pill, for example Somat.
And if the gel does not say that everything is included, then there is no need to transfer the PMM to the pill mode.

Usually gels go - all inclusive

Oh, I just have a Japanese Charmy Lion dishwashing gel, so you don't need to switch anything. THANK YOU!

Usually gels go - all inclusive
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About the pill, I still understand, it grows in turn (in theory). How does it work with gel?

About the pill, I still understand, it grows in turn (in theory). How does it work with gel?

I don’t know how the rinse aid survives until the end of the wash, but Somat-gel comes with rinse aid, and if I don’t set the tablet mode, then all the dishes come out too soapy - that is, there is a double dose of rinse aid.
And if you don't pay attention to the plates, because they are completely dry, then the plastic immediately became clear and understandable
(I wash it with powder, then with gel and sometimes I forget to set the pill mode)

Who has not tried to check what is left of the tablet after the wash cycle?

Dear girls, I congratulate you on the holiday of spring. I wish you health, LOVE, and success in your endeavors

5 minutes ago, they brought my PMM ... I checked the machine not for "integrity", but for the presence of a test for water hardness .... here the guys (who brought it) got sick of me ...

And at home, the men "howl" - how to set .. a lot of trouble with pipes to come .. but I "don't care" .. I'm happy .. like an elephant ... the main thing is that SHE has already been bought .. and in my case it's 95% of the case !

PySy ... Thanks to all those who actively participate in this topic (I am reading it in full) .. and especially .... Flaksia, sazalexter, julifera and all, all, all owners of the Veko 6530 ... Your feedback has greatly "accelerated" the process purchases!

One blonde says to another - "I will have triplets"! The second asks - "Where did you get this?" "Yes, I checked it three times with a test - the result is positive!"
This is me lovely women about tests

[for eyelid holders - preferably model 6530]

I started my acquaintance with the PMM by determining the hardness of the water ... And then questions arose: I substituted the test strip under water and literally in a second (not a minute) the test showed ALL FIVE squares in "red" ... This means that in our area maximum hardness level? I would not have asked this question if ... .. one of the red (outermost) squares turned green (or some kind of green-holoba) ... So what color should the squares be on the test?
Then I read the instructions yesterday and a lot of questions arose (for eyelid holders - preferably model 6530):
1. I bought myself a tool for PMM 3 in 1 so far ... If you use it, then you don't need to add salt already ??? Or is it all the same a means-means, and it is better to fill in the salt, especially if the water hardness is maximum? .. And again, if you use tablets, then you need to add salt?

2. After adding salt, it is recommended to start the washing program (without dishes) ... Which program is better to use here? 20 Minutes Express is enough? And again I return to item 1. And if I do not fall asleep salt, then start the car without salt, but using a 3 in 1 product?

3. In the "program table" the consumption of detergents is indicated: A, B, A + B .......... For the value of A there are two values: A = 25cm3 / 15cm3 (literally from the instructions) .... So that is the question .... It is better to start the amount of detergent from the minimum value (as I understand it, 15 cm3) or from the maximum (25 cm3) ... And again, returning to the 3 in 1 product ... how here then determine the expense of funds? Or is it still based on the values ​​in the table?
PySy ... Someone tried to reach it with a finger (to check for water in the salt hole) ... do not reach it (with a finger)! Yesterday I could only reach the bottom with a long spoon (like they sell bottles for ketchup - its length is like two teaspoons) .. I had water there (just at the bottom).

So, in order.
1) As they say everywhere, if the tool is 3in1, then the machine does not consume salt, a different route of water movement works in the machine. But I would still pour salt And then I will forget .... If the rigidity is high, then it is better to use separate means. The amount of salt and detergent in the tablet is designed for medium water hardness and dirty dishes.
2) you can not wash with a tablet
3) the table is approximate, and is given for separate funds.
The water in the compartment should be anyway and better with salt.

I answer.
1. We have very hard water. Therefore, I use salt without fail. No matter what mine, pills or powders. Salt is needed for the machine itself. Otherwise, something will fail there. Moreover, it is irrevocable and incurable. If the water is very soft, then just put a minimum of that salt.
2. I didn't quite understand the question. For now, rely on the values ​​in the plate. Much depends on the quality of the product used. Use it and you will understand how much to pour and put. If you put a full load to wash, then put the tablet completely. And don't bother.
3. I can't reach the end with my finger either. But I have a budget machine, so the master will explain it to me like this. Check the salt yourself. Do not trust the indicator buttons, in this case. So I finger and check. If I open it, and the salt is already on the bottom, then I just add it to the top.

[* Anyuta *]

* Anyuta *

1. Salt must be loaded into the compartment necessarily, no matter what you do the dishes.
That is - salt must always be present in the compartment!

2. One run with salt, but no detergent and no dishes - must also be done.
If the manufacturer recommends so, then it is better to do it.
Desirable on a program with 60 C.

3. Start at 25 cm3.
Then you will adjust the amount of detergent yourself, when you get used to a specific chosen agent and you will already know how well it washes. All this later - empirically.

They say that Somat gel washes only 10 ml! Although the packaging says that you need to pour 25 ml.
But 15 ml washes out well from me. So everything is individual.
If the machine is just bought, then the water is on the bottom of the salt compartment - this remains after the factory testing.

Yesterday I checked if there was anything left from the tablet after the wash. My suspicions were confirmed, the whole pill goes away. So the rinse aid in the pill is a lie. So, the salt and rinse aid must be refilled.

[Dmitry P.]

Dmitry P.

Conduct an experiment to be convincing - put the pill down, but don't set the pill mode.
Then, after the end of washing, take any dish and wet it, will it be soapy ??

By the way, I forgot to write ... in my PMM there were 15 (!) Instructions in different languages ​​at once .. and two of them in Russian ... Looks like they were NOT reported for Ukraine, but for Russia they were transferred! ... Better a discount of at least 300 rubles, than to "cram" so much muculature ...


But the test strip gave me such a result!

But the test strip gave me such a result!

IMHO, very bad water. My squares have remained green (as far as I can see on the far right). According to the instructions, I lowered the water from the pipe, poured it "fresh" into a glass, dipped the strip for 1 second, took it out, shook it off .. waited half an hour - the color does not change. Then I repeated it twice (alas, I can't find a photograph), then the outermost square turned pink. It is simple to check: soap your hands, the soap is washed off under the tap from the tap and will your hands hold together? - hard water. If you need to rub your hands for a while, the feeling is as if they are constantly soapy - soft water.

IMHO, very bad water

So I am in thought .. how can I "understand" the last square? how are you half? ... You also seem to have Veko? It turns out that I put the salt indicator at 5? right?

Yes, I have a silver Bekoshka. Keep salt to the maximum from sin. A pack of salt is still cheaper than a hypothetical repair of a PMM.
What problems did you encounter with the connection? I dragged mine (while my husband went to the store) to a new corner, along with all the hoses. Although yes, the sewage system is plastic - it is easy to disassemble, and the cast iron ...

What problems did you encounter with the connection? I dragged mine (while my husband went to the store) to a new corner, along with all the hoses. Although yes, the sewage system is plastic - it is easy to disassemble, and the cast iron ...

We will only install tomorrow (or rather, try) .... There will be SEA problems with the connection (I already look forward to it) ... Tomorrow, in addition to dad and husband, we will call the one who made and installed the kitchen for us (1.5 cm of height is missing) the one who made the pipes (I still have cast-iron wiring - everything was done in the mid-90s - when the house was being built, there was also no concept of "plastic pipes" - only in the kitchen there was a plastic pipe, just five or 6 years ago they spent everything in kitchen, put a headset and I moved into the house here) ... Dad was remembering all day today if there is a second exit to the sewer ... tomorrow they will crawl under the floor .. we will look ... And so .. I have not even decided yet in which corner of the kitchen to put ... ...again, EVERYTHING will depend on what tomorrow is found in the kitchen ..... more precisely, under it ..

I haven’t even decided which corner of the kitchen to put ...

This is our way: friends: The main thing is to set it so that the door opens normally and it is convenient to load the dishes. We left the cast-iron pipe with our parents only near the wall, and the rest was lit up with plastic. It's more convenient and mom's sink doesn't get clogged! The water supply is also metal pipes - sawed off and built up with flexible hoses. Now you can screw in the tee where you need to. And yesterday, in honor of the holiday, I folded the Ikeevsky dish dryer and removed it from the table as unnecessary - it was empty 90% of the time. So much space (40x60 cm) is free!

It's our way: friends: The main thing is to put it so that the door opens normally and it is convenient to load the dishes

I have a large kitchen ... at first there were 2 installation options .. now there are 4 ... but since the "private house" and the kitchen is "rather big", it will be fine for me everywhere ...

For half a year I could not decide where to put the dishwasher, there were three options. And for six months she stood, connected according to a temporary scheme in different places in the kitchen, and there were hoses on the floor, over which there was a risk of tripping. In general, it was so difficult for me to choose a place for a dishwasher, I could not choose a better place and selected it empirically for 6 months. And I realized one thing, the dishwasher should be close to the sink and cutting table, otherwise you have to cut circles in the kitchen with a plate in hand to put it in the dishwasher and at the same time there is a clear trace on the floor from the table and sink to the dishwasher in the form of a path of drops, dripping from dirty dishes. This is my experience. And it is also difficult for the pump to drive the waste water into the sewer, therefore, with an increase in the length of the hoses, it lives much less than it could.

And it is also difficult for the pump to drive waste water into the sewer, therefore, with an increase in the length of the hoses, it lives much less than it could.

Based on these considerations, only now 2 options were "screwed up" .... now I will throw off a photo of my kitchen .. and then I will show it. where are we waiting for all the same PMM put ...

1. I bought myself a tool for PMM 3 in 1 so far ... If you use it, then you don't need to add salt already ??? Or is it all the same a means-means, and it is better to fill in the salt, especially if the water hardness is maximum? .. And again, if you use tablets, then you need to add salt?

The principle is just that. That is, if 3 in 1 tablets are used, the salt supply is turned off (more precisely, this function / Tab button is usually called, it turns on, and the machine already automatically turns off the supply of everything else). BUT! In my car, it is written in plain text - do not turn on this Tab with very hard water. The salt in the pill is simply not enough in this case.

I also have a built-in one next to the sink, on the right. It is really convenient to load dirty dishes by catching them out of the sink and then store them in the PMM.

Sori .. the photo on the phone was taken late at night ...
Here's an overview of the kitchen:




Now I describe .. option number 1 ... where there is a children's table - remove the drawers and put PMM under the tabletop

option number 2 - between the stove and the sink .. BUT two racks with shelves will have to be removed and 10 cm will have to be attached somewhere (the extra ones remain) ...

option number 3 - in place of the shelf with a TV and microwave (it will most likely fit here, but I am not ready to sacrifice this shelf, in comparison with the rest of the boxes) ...

option number 4 - in place of the refrigerator

The text of this message was moved under the photo

in terms of ease of use, option 2 and option 1 are in the lead

Yes, option 2 is convenient for use.

[* Anyuta *]

* Anyuta * Our kitchens are similar, only mine is a couple of meters shorter.
What you have is to the left of the stove, exactly like mine, even the column hangs there. And here is what is to the right of the stove, in the photo. It is inconvenient to use a dishwasher, because the approach is only from one side, but I'm already used to it. In place of the dishwasher, there was a cupboard-cupboard, we took it out and put it in the place where you have a refrigerator and there is also a bread maker on it. And the refrigerator is in the hallway.

I can see the dishwasher to the left or right of the stove. The left is a little more comfortable. I remember how I took a dirty bowl from the sink or from the table and walked with it through the kitchen to the dishwasher. Rehearse today.Where do you get the dirty dishes from and how far you need to carry them, and more, it is very important that the open dishwasher door does not interfere with your approach to the sink in the corner and does not bang into the kitchen door. Everything else is compromise, only in the name of what? I suffered a lot until I realized where the dishwasher is more convenient for me.

[* Anyuta *]

* Anyuta * Our kitchens are similar, only mine is a couple of meters shorter.
What you have is to the left of the stove, exactly like mine, even the column hangs there. And here is what is to the right of the stove, in the photo. It is inconvenient to use a dishwasher, because the approach is only from one side, but I'm already used to it. In place of the dishwasher, there was a cupboard-cupboard, we took it out and put it in the place where you have a refrigerator and there is also a bread maker on it. And the refrigerator is in the hallway.

Flaksia, I remember your version .. you were the very first to show the placement of your PMM ... after your photo, I thought about OPTION # 1 .. let's just say - from your submission .... but there we already have it because of the length of the hoses I can't put ...

Girls .. Thank you all .... I read the entire second part .. now I am finishing the topic about funds ... Two days off "killed" by the Internet (and before that the working week) ... BUT I do not regret it at all, because I learned a lot of information for myself THANKS TO YOU ALL.... if they deliver everything tomorrow, I'll post pictures to you right away ... little depends on my desires ... they will look at where it is easier to connect from ...

Experiment. Quick & Clean 60 ° C program.
With incl. func. tab. Time - 1-16 min.
Washing - 27 minutes.
opol. clean. water. - 13min.
opol. - 15 minutes.
Drying - 15 min.

With off. func. tab. Time - 0-58 min.
Washing - 28 minutes.
opol. clean. water. - 4min.
opol. - 14min.
Drying - 5 min.

I'm slightly shocked. I thought it would take more time for the tablet to dissolve. But something is wrong.
There is no difference in the state of the dishes.

Why additional time to dissolve the tablet? It seems to me that it dissolves in the same way as the powder dissolves in time.

There is no difference in the state of the dishes.

If there is no difference in the state of the dishes, then what is the point in the tablets
There is definitely a difference on the gel.

Dmitry P., how do you enable this tablet function? Otherwise, this Quick & Clean 60 ° C program. I didn't like how the dishes were washed. I would try with a pill.

Dmitry P., how do you enable this tablet function? Otherwise, this Quick & Clean 60 ° C program. I didn't like how the dishes were washed. I would try with a pill.

There is a button - 1/2 and the tablet is drawn - it turns on / off the tablet function:

There is a button - 1/2 and the tablet is drawn - it turns on / off the tablet function

I have an eyelid 6830 extra, and there are no such drawings with a pill. maybe some key combination turns it on?

[Nikasa]

Nikasa - and with what means did you wash and wash badly?

The other day I dug up an unused Finish powder, I didn't like how it washes it, I decided to finish it off on slightly dirty loads.
I fell asleep exactly in the dry compartment! And suddenly I heard - bang - like a stone fell inside, I opened it, and this powder stuck together, never had this before.
I took it out, I think - I'll try to dissolve it in hot water - not in any !!! so the stone is held by the stone !!!
This is of course a perversion, but I could not split it and decided to grate it - well, I don’t know why such obstinacy was sluggish, because I could have thrown it out and filled it up normally.
Barely overpowered, dissolved still.
But the laundered is still bad.
I'll probably throw it out.

1/2 and the tablet is drawn.