Elena the beautiful
remind, what is your detergent? today I'll try to split the pill. may not smell so "thermonuclear"
Margit
I have Calgonit finish powder.
It is not necessary to separate the tablet, because the detergent is still needed, and the rest is salt and rinse aid, they do not smell like detergent.
Elena the beautiful
it is necessary to wash. and the smell! I would wash it with my hands. but a strong allergy. (I sit on antihistamines), so I invent all sorts of ways until I acquired a new remedy
Margit
Yes, that's a problem ....
And if, for now, without powder, just wash it with hot water, the machine will probably not be offended, is it temporary?
Elena the beautiful
Yes, and I thought about that. But I also wash the baby bottles there. This is another of the reasons why I "bother" so much
Omela
Girls, what about the review about LYON ??? It's my third day, I'm happy!

Quote: Margit

And if for now without powder, just wash it with hot water, the machine will probably not be offended, is it temporary?
Soap without powder .. and more than once, but the dishes are not very greasy ... If you collect and wash some bottles (for me, it’s unrealistic), you can do it without powder ...
Elena the beautiful
I asked a friend, she should get me this Lyon. I also thought about using hot water (my friend generally rinses with water and soda), but I thought that I had an allergy. I'll try just with water)))) and buy an amway. I will try everything that is)))): girl_haha: maybe someone else will share his advice))))))
Omela
Quote: Elena the Beautiful

and buy an amway.
I would also buy, but I asked everyone and did not find it, they said that he was not in Russia

Panevg1943
Quote: Omela

I would also buy, but I asked everyone and did not find it, they said that he was not in Russia
Omela, you should ask the Amway distributors. Once again I would like to draw your attention to Yplon (Belgium). Compared to Calgonite. There is salt, detergent and rinse aid from this company. No smell. Washes perfectly. The salt is coarse and less consumed.
Quote: Margit

Calls to the water utility are useless, they do not answer questions from individuals.

Margit, the water utility has nothing to do with water hardness. Contact your sanitary and epidemiological station with an application for a water analysis (bring a bottle, they will tell you how to type, because there are subtleties). You don't need all the parameters. Mainly: iron, phenols, hardness. The analysis is paid, but if only in a few parameters, then it is inexpensive.

Elena the beautiful
and where is this yplon sold? also from distributors? ??? In Voronezh, for sure, no.
Elena the beautiful
I have never ordered online. How quickly the order arrives. if you order in OZONE?
Omela
Quote: Elena the Beautiful

How quickly the order arrives. if you order in OZONE?
It already depends on the mail. I think at least 14 days. You can ask them such a question ... Or maybe look in your household ones .. I opened a tent with Japanese funds for the same price!
Elena the beautiful
I watched today. some calgonites and somats))) can I order from you?
Panevg1943
Quote: Elena the Beautiful

and where is this yplon sold? also from distributors? ??? In Voronezh, for sure, no.
Elena the beautiful, with us Yplon is mainly sold in "All good" cosmetics chain stores (I don't know if you have these stores).
Taia
We sell Rail detergent powder produced by "Aist" St. Petersburg, Russia.
The price is much cheaper than all other powders. It washes quite well and is almost (!) Odorless.
Fantasticas
people, tell us I don't understand what - I bought ELECTROLUX ESF 66070 WR
It seems to me that she washes badly - I can't understand
sazalexter
Fantasticas It can't be !!! Arrange the dishes correctly, adjust the salt and rinse aid according to the water hardness and you will be happy
Sens
bad - how's that? what are the signs? and even better with pictures!

sazalextermaybe. there are different situations.
Fantasticas
She laid out the dishes both herself and with an experienced friend. isp and tablets and powder. In short, the essence is this - the plaque seems to be greasy in appearance and on the glass lids they are cloudy ... and the drops are a rinse aid and did more and less. and soaps for multitab function and with a tablet for normal function. Well, in short, it washes badly like plaque but not dry, but it seems greasy, my filter almost before every wash. and even on the dishes I noticed even to the cloudy bloom particles as if splashed with dirty water ... and even I take out the filter and on it like oily foam. the girlfriend finally can wash the filter every hundred years. soap on all programs and on intensive and on a car and on a fast one ... I don’t understand, the machine doesn’t have a month ... it looks like it’s a raid as not hard, namely dregs ...
Fantasticas
and another moment, in any case, even if the dishes are all clean, it is a rarity, but nevertheless, spoons were always badly washed!
Margit
Fantasticas
I have been using the machine recently, but, in my opinion, I have already gained a little experience. The first two times, I put only 15 grams (minimum) of detergent powder on the sink, as a result, there was a greasy deposit on the dishes and on the walls of the machine itself, I increased the amount of powder to 20 grams - everything became clean. I tried to reduce the rinse aid - whitish stains appeared on the glass, I added the rinse aid value by 1 unit - everything returned to normal. There may also be a poor-quality washing powder, try changing to another one. On the very first day, I washed the dishes with a 3 in 1 tablet, the one that comes with the kit, the dishes were washed very badly, and with the powder I began to wash wonderfully. I do not share the opinion of those who consider calgonit to be a bad dishwashing detergent. I like it, perhaps because I have been using the machine for less than a month and have not tried other means yet. But much better, everything is remarkably clean, and a very pleasant lemon aroma is given to the dishes by a special freshener, which hangs on the back wall of the upper basket.
Fantasticas
So from the beginning I will start with the fact that I use eco-life with chemistry in all this, that is, frosh and sodosan. So here are the pills isp frosh and the powder and the rinse aid sodosan, that's exactly sodosan, finally, you don't want to! although I wash with Sodosanov powder - a complete delight - all the linen is super and environmentally friendly! schA special for the experiment, the somat gel was stuck to the salt - I put the dishes that were taken out during the day and left for another wash and poured the gel (though I probably didn't have to pour it all) I looked in - it rings with chemistry strongly, but the dishes are already clean and transparent for half 30 minutes further it will be seen ... but I don’t want to pour chemistry like that!
Fantasticas
I use eco-friendly life chemistry and in the dishwasher it is not the current sodosan, it gives a bloom. who knows what?
sazalexter
Fantasticas Change your super products for a simple Finish powder and rinse, feel the difference
Kapet
Quote: Fantasticas

I use eco-friendly life chemistry and in the dishwasher it is not the current sodosan, it gives a bloom. who knows what?
Well, it seems like the detergent itself should not give a deposit on the dishes after washing in the PMM, provided that rinsing was then performed. Possible reasons: incorrect adjustment of the PMM for water hardness, lack of regenerating salt, lack of rinse aid, poor rinse aid (which is rare, but, however, for organic products, everything is possible), or it is quite unlikely - the PMM itself is malfunctioning. Choose what you like best ...
Taia
I also faced such a problem: plaque on dishes. All settings methodically from + to - adjusted both hardness and rinse aid. I have tried all the detergents on sale. The result is zero.
As it turned out, the solution was simple: I reduced the dose of added powder! I just poured a lot of powder. Now I pour not until the rice is in the powder container, but half as much. And I break the pill in half. The dishes are perfect now.
I read this advice on the sites and, as it turned out, is very correct.
Kapet
Quote: Flaksia

I also faced such a problem: plaque on dishes. All settings methodically from + to - adjusted both hardness and rinse aid. I have tried all the detergents on sale. The result is zero.
As it turned out, the solution was simple: I reduced the dose of added powder! I just poured a lot of powder. Now I pour not until the rice is in the powder container, but half as much. And I break the pill in half. The dishes are perfect now.
I read this advice on the sites and, as it turned out, is very correct.
You are certainly right! It's just that it’s really just az and beeches of dishwashing
I fill the container to the top with powder only if grease drips from all the dishes, or I need to peel off the dishes after the oven or the hood filters.

DO NOT USE MORE DETERGENT.
WHAT IS SPECIFIED ON THE PACKAGE!
Taia
Quote: Kapet

You are certainly right!
DO NOT USE MORE DETERGENT.
WHAT IS SPECIFIED ON THE PACKAGE!

In my case, it turned out that I had to put less than the recommended dose. About a third.
Kapet
Quote: Flaksia

In my case, it turned out that I had to put less than the recommended dose. About a third.
Well, the current dosage of detergent generally varies by eye on the degree of contamination of the current batch of dishes.

And the recommended dose of the MS manufacturer is a virtual, relative thing, and it defies logical understanding of the consumer ...
Kapet
Quote: Fantasticas

I use eco-friendly life chemistry and in the dishwasher it is not the current sodosan, it gives a bloom. who knows what?
I read about your eco-powder for PMM Sodasan: "30% more effective than any tablets for dishwashers!" So I sit and think that it was necessary to pour in an environmentally friendly one in order to surpass the most poisonous Finish by 30% ...
Ernimel
Not to offend anyone, but in my opinion this is a divorce. From the same series as "ecological organic" potatoes at 200r / kg and other chickens raised on strict organic nutrition. As long as the people are ready to pay, they will sell them anything. To live in a city, drive cars and look for eco-powder for dishes ... just do, to each his own, of course. My finish, for some time, was washing with Ashan's penny afterburner (tablets). Everything is clean and no raids.
Kapet
Quote: Ernimel

... My finish, for some time, was washing with Ashan's penny afterburner (tablets). Everything is clean and no raids.
Yeah, even the decor on the dishes is washed off ... at the finish line ...
Ernimel
Yeah, even the decor on the dishes is washed off ... at the finish line ...
Nothing is washed off, neither my mother's, are we doing something wrong? Or do we just have dishes that are suitable for washing in the PMM?

By the way, my cup was hand-painted in general (with firing, ess-no), at a fair in St. Petersburg I bought it from my aunt - everything was absolutely normal with her ... until the child dropped it from the table ..
Kapet
Quote: Ernimel

Nothing is washed off, neither my mother's, are we doing something wrong?
You and your mother do everything like this. It's just that the term has not expired. I have it from the excellent German Domol, and then - ceramics slowly fade ...
AlisaS
On my dishes, too, nothing has been washed out of the decor yet.
I use the finish calgonite. On a 1kg package of the finish, it is written to use 40-45ml, depending on the degree of soiling of the dishes (I don't know its density, so I can't say how much it is in grams). In the instructions for my desktop PMM Ardo, they recommend 15 g for the main cycle and 3 g for the preliminary wash. And at the beginning, it poured like this, as in the instructions, while the dishes were all perfectly washed, except for very difficult cases (a burnt pan, etc.), but sometimes a greasy coating remained on the walls of the PMM. I experimented a little and increased the dose of powder to 18-20g for the main cycle (depending on how dirty the dishes are) and am very pleased with the result - not only the dishes are clean, but the PMM inside is also clean
Fantasticas
I will not argue about the environmental friendliness of sodosan - it is all on potash soap. because of this, and plaque. but the pills are just fine!
Fantasticas
I washed the dishes with probnikos somata - opened it during the wash and almost suffocated from the chemical stench! and then, after standing open, the machine with the dishes did not smell so much. I rinsed the dishes because I rinsed on the prog and then rinsed my hands later - I can't, Pts strongly react to any smells!
Margit
Try to put the PMM fragrance in the car, you will feel the difference. There will be no smell of powder at all. At first, I also did not like the smell after washing dishes with calgonit finish powder, I thought I would look for another remedy.But I put the fragrance in the machine and forgot about my disappointment with this powder, now it suits me completely!
ValeryVP
Quote: Margit

... put the fragrance in the machine and forgot about my disappointment with this powder, ...
headache remedy - break your arm ... to hammer one chemistry with the other ... maybe it's easier not to open the machine and not push when you open it? So there is no ecology, it is scary to eat food and so on. So why add more? As if it was not there, but something remains on the dishes, and then gets into the stomach. I just try to lead a healthy lifestyle and if you can't refuse, then at least reduce ... IMHO
Marusya
Of course, it will smell during washing. It's like opening a washing machine while washing. I wonder what should smell like there? After all, after the period of active washing with detergent has ended, then the machine begins the rinsing process. How many times does she change the water? At least two (there is a clear water indicator). After all, if you follow the instructions, then before you start washing the dishes, you need to set the rinsing mode, and then start the washing process.
Fantasticas
washing on odorless Frosch tablets and the dishes are perfectly washed-schA current on them!
Margit
Quote: ValeryVP

headache remedy - break your arm ... to hammer one chemistry with the other ... maybe it's easier not to open the machine and not push when you open it? So there is no ecology, it is scary to eat food and so on. So why add more? Whatever it was, but something remains on the dishes, and then enters the stomach. I just try to lead a healthy lifestyle and if you can't refuse, then at least reduce ... IMHO
So advise on which powder to use to fit a healthy lifestyle and not use flavor.
ValeryVP
I have already said that I use DISH DROPS ™ Automatic Dishwasher Powder from AMWAY ™. I am not suggesting that it is environmentally friendly. I just use 10 to 15 grams. this product does not contain tablets or fragrances. He copes with his task - the dishes are clean ...
Imandra
I found out that it is the rinse aid that foams, the dispenser is at 1. Setting the salt to different values ​​does not help. I am trying to dilute the rinse aid with water, I will observe what happens. You can't pour a lot of water right away, there is no place.
Elena the beautiful
I here recently also got dirty about the environmental friendliness of SMS. Everything was. And dishes with a cloudy bloom, and very salty ,,,,. But there were no arguments about unwashedness. I have a BOSCH car. I washed the top house first. But then, on the advice and experience of a nice girl, I bought LION gel. The dishes were washed, and most importantly, it does not smell of chemistry (I tried both licking and sniffing) Even for the sake of the experiment I washed it off with water. Checked for leftover detergents. Everything is clear. Most likely, you need to correctly configure the car. And choose SMS by exclusion method. Good luck!
Lisss's
I really do not like Somat-gel, everything in one is terribly dishes after it smells like chemistry, slippery, and it does not wash off tea plaque on cups

before that I washed with Domolom. I washed everything and there was no pity for the smell, it disappeared in our DC ... even if you go to Amway ..
ValeryVP
Quote: marusя

I have not met him here. It seems that this product is only sold in Ukraine.
it is not for sale on free sale, except in cities where there are warehouses ... in Russia it is:
Shopping center "Yuzhny" (Moscow)
Shopping center "Krasnaya Presnya" (Moscow)
TC "Butyrskiy" (Moscow)
TC "Gagarinsky" (Nizhny Novgorod)
Shopping center "Krasnaya Arrow" (St. Petersburg)
TC "Povolzhsky" (Samara)
TC "Green domes" (Novosibirsk)
Shopping center "Donskoy" (Rostov-on-Don)
TC "Uralsky" (Yekaterinburg)
TC "Amur" (Khabarovsk)
TC "Kubansky" (Krasnodar)
TC "Kazansky" (Kazan)
TC "Baikalsky" (Irkutsk)
ValeryVP
Quote: sazalexter

ValeryVP Advertising in an explicit or hidden form on the forum is prohibited
honestly speaking, there weren't even thoughts ...

Quote: Tanyusha

ValeriyVP, only you forgot to write that you can't come freely and buy, you must definitely join the ranks of AMWAY.
not necessary, but I will not write how to do it. Again they will say - advertises ...
Tanyusha
ValeryVP is a must here in Moscow, but to get a card it costs money and I think it's not small.
Hairpin
Tanyusha! I already wrote, but I will repeat myself. You can buy there by calling the number. When I was there they bought it in Butyrskoye Amway cards have Husky and for me - at least. Have Husky the card is much older and may have more discounts.
Well, this I mean, if anything, knock on the PM, I will give my card number. But have Husky could be better.

I also draw your attention to the fact that, as I understood, they have some recounts by the end of the month, and the queues are immeasurable ... But at the beginning of the month in the middle of the day there should be few people. Once I went like that - there were two people.

And further. My daughter said that they have free home delivery ...

Tanyusha! If you want, I'll give you my personal password for Amway. There are prices and everything else ... It is quite possible that you can order immediately at home ... I have never ordered ...

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