Choosing a dishwasher

Girls use PM for about three months, although we have it for 4 years ...
I take the Freken Bock pills, what do you say seems to be washing everything well ...
Why is powder better?
Please poke where to read?

Posted Friday 10 Feb 2017 2:57 PM

Which manufacturers better and more reliably educate ???

Which manufacturers better and more reliably educate ???

Well, you asked ...

Here, on the forum, a saying comes into play: every sandpiper praises his swamp. That is, do not look for objectivity here - all the reviews that the forum users share are 100% subjective. Listen to us here carefully, and then divide that by 1000 and multiply by zero.

You just need to choose a product for yourself that can be purchased within reach in your area of ​​residence. The brands of such products are mulion and a small cart. But in a particular locality, the variety of such funds is usually limited.

Determine the criteria for yourself: whether it should be phosphate-free, environmentally friendly, or is it all "to the light bulb" - if only the soap is good, to your subjective feeling of cleanliness of the washed dishes. Try products in powder, in tablets, in gel (if your PMM allows it).

Understand the Internet - what products are sold in reliable online stores in your locality. Buy the most expensive product (per wash). With rare exceptions, the price of the product is directly proportional to the quality of washing. Look at how such an expensive product washes, that is, it will be a standard that is likely to be stressful for the family budget. Buy a product cheaper, compare with the quality of washing the standard. And so on, until a compromise is reached between the cost of the product and the quality of its washing ...

Something like this...

Shl. If you are interested in my opinion, then do not use Henkel products: Somat and Finish - vigorous and smelly chemicals. There are many products out there that clean better, are cheaper, and leave a less smelly smell after washing. But this is only my humble personal opinion, with which the above mathematical operations can also be performed ...

Why is powder better?

I don't know why the powder is better. For me this is the best gel. I have been using it successfully for many years ...

Why is powder better?

Because the powder is usually the cheapest.

Shl. If you are interested in my opinion, then do not use Henkel products: Somat and Finish - vigorous and smelly chemicals. There are many products out there that clean better, are cheaper, and leave a less smelly smell after washing. But this is just my humble personal opinion, with which the above mathematical operations can also be performed.

of course interesting !!!
What products do you like the most.?

it be phosphate-free, environmentally friendly, or is it all "to the bulb"

Honestly, this is the first time I ever know about this ,,,
Now I will study more thoroughly.
I adhere to the principle of not buying cheap, usually I take a little higher than the average price.

What products do you like the most.?

In relation to Russian realities, I can safely and confidently recommend the BioMio BIO-TOTAL tablets "Eco-friendly 7 in 1 dishwasher tablets with eucalyptus essential oil", which are produced in Denmark for the Russian company SPLAT. Only the best impressions from this product. And the smell from the dishwasher after work is not at all chemical, with subtle notes of eucalyptus. If it were not for the sky-high price for them in our Ukraine, then I would not have looked at anything else. Highly recommend! Read reviews on 🔗

I adhere to the principle of not buying cheap, usually I take a little higher than the average price.

We're not rich enough to buy cheap stuff either ...

[Constantin]

Constantin, Thank you! I'll go read it. Now I was trying to find reviews on the PMM Freken Bok, which I did not find, which is alarming ...

In relation to Russian realities, I can safely and confidently recommend the BioMio BIO-TOTAL tablets "Eco-friendly 7 in 1 dishwasher tablets with eucalyptus essential oil"

I support it 100%. I have been using only these tablets for more than a year, I really like them, and there is no chemical smell, like other detergents, only a pleasant smell of eucalyptus

only the pleasant smell of eucalyptus

I want to clarify: when opening the PMM after finishing work, there is a pleasant, but very weak unobtrusive smell of eucalyptus. But it does not remain on the dishes - it quickly disappears, and that's good, that's right! Extraneous odors on washed dishes are completely useless, even if it is eucalyptus.

And more ... BioMio BIO-TOTAL tablets dissolve very quickly in PMM and are therefore suitable for short washing cycles. They can be used with equal success in any PMM, including those not equipped with automatic "3 in 1". My middle-aged Siemens does not have such automation, but this tool does just fine without such bells and whistles.

Shl. No ads! Just IMHO a really good remedy ...

And one more thing ... Products like "3 in 1", "7 in 1" or "All in 1" are especially capricious to water hardness, and the success of washing with such means largely depends on the correct setting of the PMM for such hardness. Although these products usually contain water softeners, washing with very hard water can be frustrating. Therefore, tune your PMM correctly for your water. And sorry for this open secret ...

And more ... Different brands pack their tablets in dissolving or non-dissolving individual packaging. In order not to be confused, it is worth remembering one simple rule: there are never any inscriptions on the soluble tablet packaging, and vice versa, there are always some inscriptions on the insoluble packaging.

[Nugira]

How do you like Synergetic? the other day I looked at it, but did not buy it, I decided to look for reviews first.

Nugira, I like it, but only on Eco mode, and I don't use it all the time, every other time, or when I put pans with a coating in pmm
but my friends don't like it)))

I still have some kind of eco-gel, I will try after the synergetic, I will tell

Means like "3 in 1", "7 in 1" or "All in 1" are especially capricious to water hardness, and the success of washing with such means largely depends on the correct setting of the PMM for this hardness. Therefore, tune your PMM correctly for your water. And sorry for this open secret ...

This is, perhaps, the very first condition from which to start operating the PMM.

In a properly tuned (and well-made) machine, I wash with ordinary budget powder, use salt and rinse aid, and have never encountered a chemical smell, or stains on dishes, or system blockages in seven years.

Hello everyone. I want to see you, I am a beginner user of PMM SIM card 45cm, I use a month experimenting

Girls, if anyone is interested yesterday, I bought Finish 2.5kg powder for 499r in Auchan, I think it's very cheap.

[Calipso63]

Calipso63, Thank you !

Calipso63, thanks!

Girls, and Finish powder differs in washing quality from Finish tablets? And then the pills like the price bite painfully.

[ksyusha1997]

ksyusha1997, to be honest I haven't tried it and the couple don't really want to spend a cosmic price on them, my many others are much cheaper, everyone likes the powder, too, norms like

Please tell me, someone has tried INDESIT PowerDish 5 in 1 Dishwasher Powder (I looked at Eldorado, I have accumulated points on my card and they need to be spent, but in this store there is not a lot of PM products).So on the site itself there are very good reviews, and on the Internet they complain about the strong smell of lemon. If someone used, please write, is there really a strong smell and how does it wash away tea plaque?

[ksyusha1997]

ksyusha1997, I wash both Finish powder and Finish tablets. Everything washes well. I use the powder when the machine is not heavily loaded or there are no very dirty dishes, such as baking trays or pots.
Another thing is that all these products from Finish have all sorts of additional names. In this I still figured out. I have a classik powder, quantum tablets
From time to time there are strong discounts on these products, that's when I buy.

I didn't like the powder (finish), I didn't wash it well, the tablets are better. With the tablets, I add both salt and rinse aid. But we have very good water in the region. tough.

Accidentally stumbled upon powder for PMM "VygoDa!" A pack of 400g costs 59r (in a rainbow smile), I took the pack for a sample - it seems to wash everything well and a huge plus that absolutely no chemistry does not smell. I gave such a pack to Zvezda at a meeting so that after our gatherings there was something to wash the dishes. She liked the powder too. For this price, I consider it a very good purchase.

Benefit, powder for dishwashers, 400 gr



The powder is designed for GENTLE washing of dishes in all types of dishwashers!

Protects the dishwasher from limescale and limescale deposits.

Ingredients:> 30% sodium carbonate, 15-30% sodium chloride, 5-15% sodium percarbonate (oxygen bleach), 5-15% sodium tripolyphosphate (phosphates), <5% EDTA salt.

The powder is very economical to use.



100% disinfection of dishes !!!



Expiration date: 3 years. GOST

Soooo started to read, only saw the price, the first thought - maybe there is one soda ash?
I finish reading: Composition:> 30% sodium carbonate

Well, not alone, yes. For some reason, table salt. 15-30% sodium chloride What for? Do you wash dishes with salt water? I've never heard of such a thing. True, I did not read the composition of the powders, perhaps, there is a lot of unknown.

What for? Do you wash dishes with salt water? I've never heard of such a thing.

Don't you remember how they licked the plates for salinity here on HP? So this powder was not then, and the plates were salty ... which means salt is included in expensive products!

were they licked for salinity?

we have not seen such a powder and nothing of this brand at all, and the plates were licked, as far as I understood after reading the whole Temka, this is when the PMM was set up for salt like

Don't you remember how they licked the plates for salinity here on HP? So this powder was not there then, and the plates were salty ... which means salt is included in expensive products!

No, I didn't. (
But it seems that in such cases it is customary to sin either on the regeneration system, which passes the salt solution, or on the loosely closed lid of the salt bunker. About the fact that table salt is shoved into dishwashers - this is the first time I see such a theory. It would be necessary to study other formulations .. Well, or here it is completely considered that buyers are idiots, they say, here "special salt" is part of the detergent. Although "special salt for softening" is generally a different matter.)

It would be necessary to study other compositions ..

You will lick

How did they lick the plates for salinity on the HP?

It's a pity they didn't post the sound of the washed dishes creak
At one of the autoforums it was like this - they asked to understand what kind of sound an outsider in the car was. The video with sound was posted on a file sharing service and the whole world listened and wondered about the strange sounds. ... the casket just opened - a sparrow made a nest in the duct and hatched chicks. They chirped. So the sound was only found out about this three years later, when disassembling the machine ...

The perception of salinity will be different for everyone

You will lick

Uh-huh.)
I quickly ran through the compositions of Finish, Somata, Fairy - there is not even a mention of table salt.) Phosphates, surfactants, bleaches, everything is as usual.
And only the cheap Lenta powder contains sodium chloride in the last lines.But he washes so disgustingly that I don't even sprinkle it on the front wash, preferring ordinary soda ash on the door.)

Surfactants,

Is there any specifics here? What are these surfactants? Other manufacturers just mask, but these honestly wrote, I think so.

Licking the plates. Beginning and further: - https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=27350.0

[Galina]

Beginning and beyond:

Galina, link leads to recipes for HP

[Calipso63]

Corrected.
There, of course, the analysis of the amount of salt and rinse aid. Calipso63, right, I have forgotten it for years. But then many ran to check their plates after the PMM.

Other manufacturers just mask, but these honestly wrote, I think so.

What did you write? About table salt or soda? So neither one nor the other in the category of surfactants seems to be included.

Yes, this is normal! Raise your hands who have NOT licked their plates!

modestly: Ya.

modestly: Ya.

and it never even crossed my mind

[salt]

What did you write? About table salt or soda?

Lena, if you don't like the composition, don't use it. You have hard water, so maybe that's why you didn't like the cheap Ribbon remedy. Me, my girlfriend and the Star were quite satisfied with this tool for PMM.

Why is there salt? I don’t know, I’m not good at chemistry, but you hooked me. I climbed to look in the Internet and, for example, what is included in the soap -

Thus, the main components of a bar of soap are sodium salts of higher fatty acids, water, glycerin, saltwhich are listed first in the soap on the label.

... If it is included in the soap, then why is it impossible to use the PMM product?

First, you need to touch on the description of the soap-making process itself. Soaps are called soluble salts of higher fatty acids obtained by hydrolysis with alkali from vegetable or animal fats. When sodium alkali is added to the initial fats and the mixture is heated, triglycerides (the main components of vegetable and animal oils) are hydrolyzed to form glycerol and sodium salts of fatty acids. In order to isolate the necessary salts of fatty acids from this mixture, table salt is added, which precipitates them, but glycerin also partially precipitates with them and no one removes it from the sediment. The resulting sediment is called the "soap core" and is used for the production of soap. Thus, the main components of a bar of soap are sodium salts of higher fatty acids, water, glycerin, table salt, which are listed first in the soap composition on the label.

[almost a third]

Lena, if you don't like the composition, don't use it. You have hard water, maybe that's why you didn't like the cheap Ribbon remedy. Me, my girlfriend and the Star were quite satisfied with this tool for PMM.

I didn't mean to. )) Did you just try to wash the dishes with soda? And sometimes people are surprised to find completely clean dishes, even forgetting to put in the detergent altogether - the pressure of the jets and hot water are able to wash a lot and so on, if it is not too greasy or burnt.

From the description of the soap production technology, I understood that sodium chloride is used precisely in the production process to complete the chemical reaction, and is not added to the finished product. Maybe I misunderstood, of course. But I can't bring myself to believe that if you add almost a third salt, it will wash better. But faith is such a thing, then it is, and then it is not.

Soda is poured because it washes - softens water, dissolves fats. Phosphates are similar. Surfactants are put in for better wetting and splitting of dirt, bleaches to break down pigments ... Each ingredient has its own tasks. And many of them can wash the dishes just like that - my mother generally did not recognize anything except soda ash, and someone washes it with tripolyphosphate (if I remember the term correctly).

I haven't heard of people washing dishes with salt. Maybe someone does this, I don't argue. I just didn't know about it yet.

Have you tried washing dishes with soda?

In the PMM? No, and I will not try. And I'm not going to argue about the salt in the composition, my competence is not enough for this - I have never been a chemist.

"Benefit!". A pack of 400g costs 59r

I wash with Sanit powder - 1kg 45 rubles. I wash the third kilogram

I wash with Sanit powder - 1kg 45 rubles.

Like? Where is it given? This is even more profitable than profit. I haven't seen this one yet.

[Galina]

Galina, Sold in Auchan, in p / e packages, so terrible that it's scary to pick it up. But he copes with his duties. I use less than the norm. This is me always like that)))

Added Thursday, 23 Mar 2017 08:36 PM

Now I met many varieties of domestic products for PMM. And salt and rinse and powder.
Well, what could be there that we don't have)))

It is sold in Auchan, in plastic bags, so terrible that it is scary to pick it up.

In our Auchan it costs 120 rubles and is rare. But the powder is shoddy, I mix it with the dear ones, then it washes better. By the way, whoever has a globe nearby has a cheap rinse aid of 34.60 rubles for 500 ml and a powder of 109 rubles 1 kg from Mister DEZ.
Also, from inexpensive and not bad, in Magnet cosmetics there is a powder for PMM, for eon it seems, a box of 1.3 kg 179 rubles, on the 1st and 15th of the month -20%.

120 rubles

But the powder is cheesy,

I thought so too, until I adjusted the water hardness in the machine.
I wanted to throw it away, but ... I decided that I would always have time. Washes well. Maybe just me with my hard water

We have hard water and I have set the hardness for a long time and periodically check it with tests. And then, tea-coffee also depends on pollution. I don’t remember that he didn’t wash well (but I would forgive him everything for 45 rubles), I usually have a stock or somat 2.5 kg, or the finish. I add it to the canister with a cheap powder to enhance the washing effect.

I'm not friends with Finish. The native somat ended, but the new one was not native, she did not pay money for the name. There was no choice, now our silpo also has a set for PMM. Home, buy another. Russian salt has been in the car for a long time

somat 2,5 kg

Somat has a strong smell, and this Benefit has bribed me with the complete absence of "aroma". There and in the composition of the perfume is not listed, but in Somata and Finish it is.

Smells do not bother me, moreover, I mix different powders. The somat itself in its pure form, like the finish, I do not like with its aggressive effect on the dishes. And the mixture adds strength to a cheaper powder.

Hello girls !!! Soon I will have an assistant !!! Please help me with advice who is from St. Petersburg! How did you set up your PMMs? Salt? Rinse aid? Thanks a lot in advance !!!

Salt 1, rinse aid 3 (out of six).

Thank you so much!

Added Wednesday, 29 Mar 2017 07:12

Tomorrow they should bring my car !!! But only last night I found out that in my model the salt funnel is not included in the package Do I urgently need to come up with something and buy some adapt
Or is it not difficult to pour salt without a funnel?

I have been pouring without a funnel for a long time. It's only worse with her (at least for me).

Use tableted salt from bags. Which is for water softening systems. And you will be happy and economical. And you won't need a funnel ...

Thank you very much for your advice!!! I am very glad that I came to you !!!