Elena 65
Pilotred Vladimir Congratulations on a worthy purchase. Happy breads.
VishenkaSV
In our ranks replenishment .. Vladimir, the bread turned out glorious ... There are a lot of proven recipes on the site. Dare
Wit
Good bread. But let's wait Rina... she will walk a little on the roof. There is even a little bit of liquid.
Rina
Pilotred, Vladimir, congratulations on purchasing a wonderful assistant!

Be sure to read the parting words to beginners (on the first page of the topic). Leading the leadership, and being able to control the kolobok is a sooooo useful skill.
Wit, and why would that frighten me? The roof is great there. I even love it when there is such a subversion
Mona1
Quote: Rina

Tanya, and there was no simple chemical vinegar? I would have poured it, just a little less.
There was one, but the eye caught an unfinished bottle of Champagne. Good is lost. From and levanula. Well, nothing, it's still delicious. And what about Pushkin:

Oh, how many wonderful discoveries we have
Prepares enlightenment spirit
AND EXPERIENCE, son of difficult ERRORS,
And a genius, parodox friend,
And chance, god is an inventor.
marinastom
Quote: Mona1

There was one, but the eye caught an unfinished bottle of Champagne. Good is lost. From and levanula. at Nitsche, it's still delicious. And what about Pushkin:

Oh, how many wonderful discoveries we have
Prepares enlightenment spirit
AND EXPERIENCE, son of difficult ERRORS,
And a genius, parodox friend,
And chance, god is an inventor.
Tanya, are we sisters? I, too, in all sorts of different ways (half-drunk-half-eaten) like to stuff in a bucket. Sometimes result exceeds expectations (start of the process), sometimes bummer.
Lyuba ***
Hello neighbor! Nice to see where you will be from? Is it far from us? Your area is so vast!

I'm from the north end. It's far from you ... Thank you for your kind words and advice - I will definitely read everything!
Lyuba ***
somehow I do better with a bread maker than with a computer ... I just can't figure it out ...
marinastom
Quote: Lyuba ***

somehow I do better with a bread maker than with a computer ... I just can't figure it out ...
Nothing, everything will work out here and there! Moscow was not built in a day. Over there my dad at the age of 78 began to master the computer. And he will master it. I'm sure.
Lyuba ***
Hello again! The question arose - we have soft water, they say, it's bad for bread. Is it true and what to do?
marinastom
Quote: Lyuba ***

Hello again! The question arose - we have soft water, they say, it's bad for bread. Is it true and what to do?
On the contrary! This is even very wonderful!
irman
And I didn't know that the hardness of the water matters.
marinastom
Quote: Irman

And I didn't know that the hardness of the water matters.
They wrote about this in the second part of "our epic". Creamy she also said that they have soft water, and that is good for bread. Rina will come and clarify.
PS. In general, I sincerely envy those who have soft water. We found one spring in our city, where there is excellent soft water, so we go there all year round. The kettle inside is as good as new and good for a coffee machine too. And for our kidneys.
Wit
Quote: Rina


Wit, and why would that frighten me? The roof is great there. I even love it when there is such a subversion
Hello, sir! And they just kicked me with their muzzle on this roof because of an explosion ?! Now I have no explosions: I measure water by line.
marinastom
Quote: Wit

Hello, sir! And they just kicked me with their muzzle on this roof because of an explosion ?! Now I have no explosions: I measure water by line.
And vodka up to the neck?
Wit
do not drink from the throat, sir. but pour it to the brim! Well, on holidays, yes
marinastom
Vital, good, a little bit of water. But, a question for filling. If not water, but milk, kefir, etc., then what about the dash? In such cases, my dash crawls up and down. It turns out more and more by eye.
Wit
Duc, if he wants with milk and kefir, then the explosion of the roof is ignored, and Rine I do not report the explosion then.
marinastom
To tell you the truth, my last two or three loaves of bread turned out to be strange. And the stirrer gets stuck. What is it for? The meteorite flew long ago, did the cyclone influence the Mediterranean? Look outside the window.
irman
What's outside your window? It's raining.
marinastom
Quote: Irman

What's outside your window? It's raining.
Yeah, and here. And yesterday it was -15. And the day after tomorrow frost again. What kind of bread is there head will it stand? Only it remains. what to scratch the neck.
Wit
Like a cyclone! I also had a stirrer in my bread yesterday. I was soooo surprised!
Elena 65
And we have +20 and the rain is "suspicious", mud. With x / n, everything is fine.
kubanochka
And today we have +29 Pechka seems to like this weather, and I too
Rina
me too, they found a bakery guru ... well, I'm not a specialist, I'm not a specialist ...

Regarding milk, I repeat: milk contains about 14% of dry matter! That is, 100 ml of milk contains 86 ml of liquid. Therefore, the picture jumps.
Quote: Wit

Hello, sir! And I was thrown once with a muzzle on this roof because of an explosion ?! Now I have no explosions: I measure water by line.

Vit, and who did it bother you? Remind me ...

By the way, I was talking about a small detonation around the perimeter of the roof. Well, I like it just like that ...
svetlanna
And today we have +29
Is it true ?! How happy. And here winter began early and does not want to leave, sweeps and sweeps. In our garden of untouched snow, 1.5 meters. I don't remember such a snowy winter. Summer would be faster.
marinastom
Quote: Rina

By the way, I was talking about a small detonation around the perimeter of the roof. Well, I like it just like that ...
Yeah, me too. When everything is so picture-smooth even uninteresting.
Bridge
And I agree with you, such cracks give the bread a homely look, look very appetizing.
Elena 65
Quote: svetlanna

Is it true ?! How happy. And here winter began early and does not want to leave, sweeps and sweeps. In our garden of untouched snow, 1.5 meters. I don't remember such a snowy winter. Summer would be faster.
Damn, so we would "cut off" a little snow. And then my husband is from Omsk, misses the snow. For the past 10 years, a snowball for the New Year has been a gift from Santa Claus. And sometimes you want to make a snowman with a carrot.
Wit
Quote: Rina


Vit, and who did it bother you? Remind me ...

By the way, I was talking about a small detonation around the perimeter of the roof. Well, I like it just like that ...
Yes, I don't remember. I'm not vindictive.
Urraaaaa! Me, too, a little undermining of ndravitsa !!! I was afraid to confess, I thought they would scold or laugh
NoSS
Dear ladies and gentlemen, please accept a newbie, and please explain to me such a possibly very stupid question, don't scold me much for the first time We are tormented with the family with the choice of a bread machine, while the eye is most of all on the SD-2502. But what I misunderstand is about the yeast dispenser. Do yeast always need to fall asleep there? or only in some specific cases? It's just that in all the recipes on the forum, yeast is poured immediately. In general, I cannot understand the principle. Please explain to a complete layman in bakery matters
Wit
Wait Lagri... She loves this bread maker. If you have read at least this part (3) of the thread, then there you would find the answer to your question. I can’t answer, because I don’t have this pribluda and I, like 99% of non-owners of the 2502nd, do just fine without a yeast dispenser. Nafig he is needed, I still don't understand, I don't need him. Since you yourself do not know what to do with it, I would venture to assume that your eye is on the 2502, not because of the yeast dispenser, but because of the stainless steel wrapped around the body of the bread machine.
NoSS
Well, about stainless steel you are of course right, it also matters. In this regard, the wife especially wants her in order to match the overall composition in the kitchen, so to speak) And as for reading the topic, I read from the first part, I have already read 40 pages and, unfortunately, have not yet found an answer. Tired and decided to ask
Wit
Quote: NoSS

Well, about stainless steel you are of course right, it also matters. In this regard, the wife especially wants her in order to match the overall composition in the kitchen, so to speak) And as for reading the topic, I read from the first part, I have already read 40 pages and, unfortunately, have not yet found an answer. Tired and decided to ask
Then I would venture to assume that you read these 40 pages throughout the forum by typing. For this thread (part 3) has only 30 pages. Therefore, I recommend reading at least pages 7, 8 and 9.
NoSS
Well, not throughout the forum, but in the first part of the topic about these three Panasonic models) Thanks for the tip to specific pages
joker
Quote: NoSS

Do yeast always need to fall asleep there? or only in some specific cases? It's just that in all the recipes on the forum, yeast is poured immediately.

If you use dry yeast, yes exactly there. The dispenser will open at the right time during the batch. ... ...
Rina
And let someone tell me: WHAT IS THE NECESSARY TIME? What difference does it make if yeast is put under the flour and it will be kneaded immediately, or will it get into the mold 5 minutes after the start of kneading?

No matter how much I ask, I have never been given a real justification for the need for a yeast dispenser! Especially for wheat or rye bread!

I can assume that this chip is designed for some exotic types of bread for us, like rice, where, due to the properties of flour, yeast must be added at a certain moment. Still, the bread maker was originally developed for Japan, and there wheat bread is not the main one.
Elena 65
Irina again find fault with the words, maybe that's enough
Mona1
Quote: Elena 65

Irina again find fault with the words, maybe that's enough
No, she's a fine fellow, but the person has not yet seen these ovens, and thinks that a yeast dispenser is such a necessary thing. And this is not, to put it mildly. So she's right to find fault, she can, she's our helmsman here.
Lagri
Well, there is no need to strongly discourage this model either. Well, if people like this x / stove, why put it up like that? You are somehow softer than her ... advertise. And the poor yeast dispenser, which is often so needed, is not as bad as you put it out. Indeed, I filled in the yeast and forgot everything else. I think, more often than not, people take it because of its appearance. Well, the thousand rubles that you save from any of the buyers, so maybe he may not be very difficult to part with it for the sake of such a beautiful and convenient bread machine in all respects. Let's live together: 00, 01 and 02 !!! 🔗 Panasonic is super!
NoSS
Thank you all for the clarification.
irman
vedmacck
Quote: NoSS

Dear ladies and gentlemen, please accept a newbie, and please explain to me such a possibly very stupid question, don't scold me much for the first time We are tormented with the family with the choice of a bread machine, while the eye is most of all on the SD-2502. But what I misunderstand is about the yeast dispenser. Do yeast always need to fall asleep there? or only in some specific cases? It's just that in all the recipes on the forum, yeast is poured immediately. In general, I cannot understand the principle. Please explain to a complete layman in bakery matters
I'll invest my five kopecks. In 2502, it is quite possible to do without a yeast dispenser, pour them as in other models under flour, or (on a short program) straight into the rest of the ingredients, But it is more convenient with it, because (from my own experience I know, because the absent-minded self) track "Did you put yeast in? !!" possible only with him.
Rina
Yes, I find fault with words. It's just that it was not once or twice agreed that there is no reason to lay the yeast AFTER the start of the kneading. Forgive me, beginners believe that there is some "right time", simply because they do not yet understand the properties of flour and the process of kneading yeast wheat and rye dough. Therefore, they talk about the terrible need for this lotion, which misleads those who have not yet made a choice.

I'm not saying this dispenser is a bad thing. I say that its necessity in our conditions is not justified and its presence cannot be considered as a baaaaal plus for 2502. So, there is only one real motive in choosing this model - design. And I say to those who are at the crossroads of choice that if design is important, then 2502. If it is not important, then 2501, which was significantly cheaper for us for a long time, but now this difference is minimal. Do you want to tell the truth? If it were possible to turn off this dispenser (just so that it does not click empty), I myself would be with both hands for 2502 and would very carefully consider the option of purchasing this particular model! Not because of the design, but because we have "gray" supplies of 2502 "European", and there are several interesting programs for me. In the meantime, I am looking for options on how to bring the 2501-"European" from Europe (my 255 stove is still quite and quite efficient, but someday I will have to look for a replacement).

Regarding "put or not put yeast" - this also applies to salt, sugar and butter, but for them there are no dispensers! You just need to hang out a list (recipe) of bread for the first time and note what you put. Over time, complete automatism is worked out, so forgetting to put something will no longer work.
Mona1
Quote: Rina

if design is important, then 2502. If design is not important, then 2501 ...
Rinochka, and to me, the design was very important and that is why I chose 2501, it is so white, sugar, and 2502 to me in the store, and not in the photo on the computer, seemed rude or something. This I mean for beginners to look at the design before buying in a live store, and then it is already possible to order the model they like live on the Internet: 2501 or 2502.
Albina78
Quote: Rina

And I say to those who are at the crossroads of choice that if design is important, then 2502. If it is not important, then 2501, which was significantly cheaper for us for a long time, but now this difference is minimal. Do you want to tell the truth? If it were possible to turn off this dispenser (just so that it does not click empty), I myself would be with both hands for 2502 and would very carefully consider the option of purchasing this particular model!
I agree completely, when choosing HP (between 2501 and 2502), it was the design that played a decisive role, I wanted a stainless steel. And the dispenser, although it is not very annoying, is really not really needed, because I began to use fresh pressed yeast and put it, like many bakers, under flour.
Wit
Rinochka, bravo! 🔗
The best answer! I will remember the page and will send everyone here.
I will also say about the design. Of course, taste and color ... all markers are different. I will also reveal a terrible secret: if 2500 and 2501 were wrapped in a piece of iron, and 2502 was with a snow-white one (well, there is no such smiley, you have to take a girlish one), then I would take 2502, grieving over the extra thousand thrown out in vain.
Z. Y. I give help. According to friends and acquaintances, I have a good taste, I had a one hundred percent "five" in design at the institute. But all this does not go against the popular wisdom about "taste and color". And I respect any choice of the interlocutor, but if I am asked about my, opinion, then ... sorry!
tana33
and my dear girlfriends gave me HP)))
and I was spared a painful choice, which is immensely happy)))))))))))))
Lyudkin
Good afternoon to all bakers !!!!
I have been sitting underground for a long time, I read everything, I read ...
On Friday I took my Sonechka so glad. I'm so glad, but today I put the main one on the bread, I'll show it below, and she began to get stronger when kneading, I was so upset I almost cry and now I don't know what to do, she turned it on in the empty one quietly works, maybe she really wants to "play" with me
And here is the bread, do not scold it hard, it just blew the roof off the second time, add more liquid next time, right?
Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 (3)Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 (3)Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 (3)
Wit
You have a wonderful bread! Straight, like home in childhood. Don't panic just yet. Perhaps the drive belt creaks - over time (several batches) it will get used to it. Can you upload a video, what would you listen to?

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