Panasonic or Moulinex - general questions of choice

For the purity of the experiment, it is necessary to hold a competition for bread makers.
You just have to collect all the stoves in one kitchen, and that there is an impartial jury. Then it will definitely be possible to choose the winner. Otherwise, all disputes (whose stove is better) are meaningless.

No! It is necessary to order such an examination on the first channel in the Test Purchase program to Anton Privolnov.
Who will be the customer on behalf of our favorite site?

Of course, everyone praises their favorite. Let's have a test drive. We will choose one recipe and weight, try to bake each one on our own bread maker, and then write reports with the attachment of photos of the whole bread and in a section. It will be seen who is capable of what.

Explain why !?

"Every sandpiper praises his swamp!" I think the topic "whose stove is better" tactless!
Unless it touches on any technologically advanced moments, the rest is all idle talk. Well, we touched on it once, said about the differences, took note of - that's it, the topic is closed! What is still missing is the thrill of the dispute, and involve as many people as possible in the dispute! It was already on the forum, it was ...
In both, the bread can turn out to be wet and dry, even according to the same recipe, it all depends on the owner of the stove and his personal preferences!

Let's pay more attention to the quality of our bread, new improved solutions, new additives that improve the taste of bread, etc. There is something to talk about!

And to discuss whose is better is a thankless thing ... you can even get to the point of absurdity, including offering test drives, and then start arguing at first and, moreover, quarrel with each other.

Success to all! Happy New Year, live together!

We all love our ovens, and a test drive was offered to facilitate the choice of future owners of miracle ovens. It would be easier for them to decide.
But if anyone is against, we will not insist.
Happy new year friends!!! Good luck to everyone and great bread!

Explain why !?

"Every sandpiper praises his swamp!" I think the topic "whose stove is better" tactless!
And to discuss whose is better is a thankless thing ... you can even get to the point of absurdity, including offering test drives, and then start arguing at first and, moreover, quarrel with each other.

Success to all! Happy New Year, live together!

Moreover, I wanted to suggest to the moderators: in the next new topic "what to buy, what to choose", give a link to topics where this was discussed more than once, and close the topic

Many people abandon this question, and then do not even respond, and here we are arguing about the same issue 2 times a day

Moreover, I wanted to suggest to the moderators: in the next new topic "what to buy, what to choose", give a link to topics where this was discussed more than once, and close the topic

Many people abandon this question, and then do not even respond, but here we argue about the same issue 2 times a day

Yes, dear Celestine! I fully support you! Enough arguments, senseless and frenzied! Moderators, please take care of the ordering, as Celestina correctly points out above.

All these "enticements" (no, not all, but half for sure), half of these mournful and false "thinking about buying a bread machine ... boo-boo-boo" are placed here by people who are associated with everyone there, as I wrote earlier, vendors, dealers, distributors and other pushers of "white", "gray" "black" models, as well as models assembled "on the knee" in the basements of the suburbs of large cities

Our task is to share recipes, baking secrets, and not swear!

Hurray, comrades! Peace to the world!

P.S.How pleased I was when, five months ago, a complete layman, I already posted a recipe with a photo of my "product", and experienced baker Lika successfully made a cupcake using it, and in a different type of cotton.

Boyaka's cat, I didn't twist any screw! Yes, the first 5 - 6 breads were pale, but at that moment I did not pay attention to it - the joy that I got my own homemade bread, so fragrant and tasty, covered everything else! I agree, probably, with those who wrote on the forum about the fact that the stove is "heated" over time. And this, judging by the reviews, is happening not only with Moulinex. But Moulinex has never been seen in overcooking the crust, even with muffins. But all the same, the main thing for me is not the crust, but the fact that the bread is wheat and rye, and whole grain, and the muffins are baked well.

This is not my Temka, mine next door .... Request to the moderators - do not erase this message, at least immediately
I do not sell white, gray, green appliances. I'm a housewife ... But I look - you seem to be right that friction arises in a circle on the same issue, but ... on the other hand: you seem to have forgotten how many of you (not all, of course, but ) in the same way they asked for advice and waited for answers, since it is difficult to understand the intricacies of baking this or that bread, if you previously bought it in a store (even realizing that it does not grow on a tree), it is difficult, and with the capabilities of stoves from different manufacturers without overloading the motor cope with a rye or tight dough .... Someone expects that he will be able to buy not the most expensive and latest model and it will delight him, someone, plus this, needs extra. functions that really will be full-fledged functions, and not an advertising lure ...

For this we come. And, probably, it makes sense even "in a circle" - but simply because you, experienced bakers, ACCUMULATE AN invaluable experience that we, beginners, have not yet had time. Who, if not you, can I tell you what pluses and minuses accumulate during operation, and the stove can give out something in six months or a year after the purchase.

Why, if you are tired of explaining to beginners, you go to this section? Leave the opportunity to answer to someone who is not so stressful to do it and who has not lost the desire to share and advise ...

Boyaka's Cat is very true! I think so too.
For example, I already had two ovens, Moulinex 30001 and Panasonic 255, and now I can tell you about them in comparison. Someone on the site had Kenwood and LG, someone else had a couple and information would be typed for comparison.
Indeed, in order to choose the best HP, more than one person should try to bake on all stoves, but this is not realistic, and everyone wants not to be mistaken with the choice and why not help a person and suggest what is in our power?

[Question to the owners of Mulinex 5002:]

Question to the owners of Mulinex 5002:
1) did not find instructions for it: does the 5002 program "Homemade pasta" or something like that, well, that is, exactly like this, a program for making a steep dough for dumplings, dumplings, noodles?
2) Does the 5002nd Mulechka have "rye bread", do the Mulks cope with SUCH dough (sorry, I already have porridge from the abundance of information in my head)

I had no opportunity to use Mulinex 5002, but I had 3001 and this HP had a program for homemade noodles, dumplings, dumplings and was called "Fresh dough". There was no rye bread program in it, but there was "whole flour bread" on which the manufacturer offers to bake rye bread, but at 5000, as far as I know, there is a "Borodino bread" program, which is suitable for all rye breads.

I had no opportunity to use Mulinex 5002, but I had 3001 and this HP had a program for homemade noodles, dumplings, dumplings and was called "Fresh dough". There was no rye bread program in it, but there was "whole flour bread" on which the manufacturer offers to bake rye bread, but at 5000, as far as I know, there is a "Borodino bread" program, which is suitable for all rye breads.

Let me disagree with you - the "Borodinsky Bread" program is not well suited for all rye breads, but rather for custard analogues of Borodinsky - this program is very specific. But owl or someone else from the owners of Moulinex 5002 can say more accurately. And rye bread is very good at the initial kneading on the "dough" mode, and then on the main program number 1. Since rye dough loves long kneading. I was just taught this on the forum. And now I bake rye bread at least 2 times a week, it turns out very tasty!
It's also good on whole grain mode - heated.

Exactly. Rye loves long kneading, but why is it almost the shortest in ALL ovens with a special rye bread program? What's the catch? It's a mystery to me.

[my]

Girls, thank you so much for answering! The ranks of those wishing to prompt are thinning ...
I just have an idiotic situation - I would have already swept through the shops in a whirlwind long ago and, having groped the stoves, - in addition to what I know from the forum at this moment, I would have decided. It would have baked But no! Holidays, in stores, they grind ALL possible applicants to be my... And I don't even consider Skis for purchase, but in all the stores only they stayed ...
Here you will have to suffer at least until Christmas, until finally our stores deliver the goods ... they also don’t know that not all chichazz are happily drunk, here are some who yearn for bread ...

Maybe this expectation is for the best. For that you are convinced that it is not in vain that you are not considering Skiing. It looks like very few people consider them since they were left alone.
By the way, in our stores there are also some Skis, the rest are bought up almost from the car on delivery.

Girls, you inattentively read posts, information on stoves above the roof on the site, no one restricts you in anything, and does not refuse help.
Ask questions - get answers! In those sections and topics that are dedicated to this.

But to be engaged, sorry, more anxious about "whose stove is better" and arrange test drives, and quarrel people on the forum and do it on the fifteenth circle - not good! Because all the same everyone will remain unconvinced!

I hope you understand this!

Let's not come back to this, so as not to resort to the authority of the administrator.

Girls .... don't kick with electric current
Reading the section about the operation of Mulineshek, somehow a) problems with the screw and b) that when mixing more than two owners of something, there was a loud knocking inside the stove ...
And what about Mulineshek - if the result of the crust on some specific bread is unsatisfactory, is there any trick to "catch up" with the crustiness of the crust on some mode? For example, reheated after baking or something? The owners of Delonga - everything is clear, several options, but the Mulek ...

Twisting the screw did not help me at 30001. We changed some detail in the service and the stove became amazing. All the problems were filmed once and for all. Khlebushki gave out one to one, all handsome. In general, there is also a program for just baking, you can turn it on for a while, but you have to watch out so as not to bake.

But to engage, sorry, anxious about "whose stove is better" and arrange test drives, and quarrel people on the forum and do it on the fifteenth circle - not good! Because all the same everyone will remain unconvinced!

This is, perhaps, yes ... Even which bread is tastier is a matter of individual taste ... how to argue here and why

Girls, you inattentively read posts, information on stoves above the roof on the site, no one restricts you in anything, and does not refuse help.

Yes, we read, reread, sometimes returning several times to one topic ... It's just that there is never a lot of information ... it's another matter that ... well, maybe ... you shouldn't choose a T-shirt as picky as a car, but for some reason, in spite of everything, I want to buy a bread maker deliberately ...
Many do not bother - they came and bought it, maybe it’s right, because a beginner who asks a lot of questions sometimes has a feeling that you are behaving like a monkey from the fable "The Monkey and Glasses" (I speak for myself, so God forbid of offending anyone!) .... but since I started, I will ask everything that is not clear. Who does not want to, he simply will not answer ... Really?

you should not choose a T-shirt as picky as a car, but for some reason, in spite of everything, you want to buy a bread maker deliberately ...
Many do not bother - they came and bought it, maybe it’s right, because a beginner who asks a lot of questions sometimes has a feeling that you are behaving like a monkey from the fable "The Monkey and Glasses" (I speak for myself, so God forbid of offending anyone!) .... but since I started, I will ask everything that is not clear. Who does not want to, he simply will not answer ... Really?

So there is no problem, ask questions, only we are talking about the fact that in one of 32 topics on this topic you can communicate calmly, and not start a new one, exactly the same, it clogs up the forum, and prevents not only beginners to navigate. It's easier to find the answer to the question by scrolling through a couple of topics, and not by shoveling half a hundred identical ones.

Twisting the screw did not help me at 30001. We changed some detail in the service and the stove became amazing. All the problems were filmed once and for all.

natalka, I wrote a question for you in a personal ... As it turned out, even two (the first before the New Year), check your personal messages

"Yes, we read, re-read, sometimes returning several times to the same topic ... It's just that there is never a lot of information .... it's another matter that ... well, maybe .... you shouldn't choose a T-shirt as picky as a car , but for some reason, in spite of everything, I want to buy a bread maker deliberately .. "

I've been doing apartment renovation in the summer ...
They sent me to buy wallpaper. A familiar situation, really!

So I walked, I walked, I chose, I chose ... I came home, then I went to change - then the color, then the flowers, then the rhombuses ... I chose! Then I even forced myself to walk past the store - suddenly I would see something else, run to change.
So what! We pasted the wallpaper, 5 months have passed - I sit and look and think - why did I run, why, I would not take these, but these on the wall are not right ... and so on!

Or remember how you buy shoes, especially when there is a wide choice - we measure everything and leave with nothing.

So now with the stove, this is our disease! And tomorrow there will be a new model of the stove with a new screw, we will also regret it.

So it is better to buy and bake bread than to chase for no one knows what and constantly.

How much bread would have already been baked and the family would have been pleased!

Of course, you can also bake in the "baking" mode and leave on the heating from 10 minutes to an hour. I have never used DOPPETCHKA. Again, I just don't understand - why? The crust is excellent to be completely golden - you need to grease with yolk and / or butter, as we do when baking in the oven. I want to make a reservation right away, I do not urge you to buy Mulinex, I just share my experience in communicating with HP, my findings and best practices, my opinion. I do not sell HP, kitchen appliances or any other appliances in general!
I just know that my oven bakes all kinds of bread well, it makes my favorite cupcakes easily - and you don't need to knead the dough by hand, just beat the eggs, and the rest is done by HP. With the advent of HP, my family began to receive not only bread to the table, but also different buns (I did not like to bother with yeast dough and it (the dough) answered me the same), and now it is so easy and simple!
In general, HP is a wonderful thing, and which one to buy - everyone decides for himself, and you can adapt to anyone!

Linka, this is all very true, especially since no one will be able to take care of everyone, and everyone will love the chosen one.
My first stove had no name at all and no manufacturer was listed on it, and what would I argue about? Whom would you praise? And she worked great, although there was only something in her: basic mode, French, fast, kneading and baking (5 programs), but I did not know others and she FULLY suited me.

Love each stove, praise it and it will reciprocate you!

You just need to stop doing practically open advertising of certain models. All these posts - "I bought myself a xxxx bread maker, and I have already baked three breads. The children are happy, the husband is overjoyed, the mother-in-law shed tears boo-boo-boo, boo-boo. And I advise you to buy model xxx, etc." "

And to stop this simple game - a post appears "I am thinking about buying a bread maker" and then almost instantly two or three answers with the same howl "I bought myself a bread maker xxxx, etc., etc., and I advise you .. . "

All this would be funny if ... and so on.

I propose henceforth to send fake "newbies" to the corresponding sections of the forum on such "initial" posts and not engage in free (??) advertising of certain models. And most of the fake "newbies" will immediately disappear (or appear under new nicknames).

[no]

So it is better to buy and bake bread than to chase for no one knows what and constantly.
How much bread would have already been baked and the family would have been pleased!

Yes, I already wrote - if it were not for the holidays, I would have bought and baked another loaf a long time ago ... In a store from bread makers now - or not a single one AT ALL no No, or Skis ... Mulek and Panasik are not present ... I even found out where we have Delongy 125th ...WAS (unlike Delongy's heaters, there is practically no x \ n Delongy anywhere! Which is very strange, and someone from another city has already noted this too ...!)
We ate everything tasty again. Remembers who the cool cartoon is - "Birdie, flew where it is delicious? ......." I, like many others, will buy an x ​​\ stove, and I will use it as long as it will work, and I will not chase innovations ... But first I have to buy ... delay for shops ...

We ate everything tasty again. Remembers who the cool cartoon is - "Birdie, flew where it is delicious? ......." I, like many others, will buy an x ​​\ stove, and I will use it as long as it will work, and I will not chase innovations ... But first I have to buy ... delay for shops ...

you haven't eaten delicious, it is waiting for you;) You just haven't seen it yet. Only earlier than after Christmas, most likely nothing new will be brought.

Exactly. Rye likes a long batch, but why is it almost the shortest in ALL ovens with a special rye bread program? What's the catch? It's a mystery to me.

I am also interested in this question. I bake rye bread all the time, and I do it well on the RYE BREAD program. After reading the forum posts, I decided to increase the batch time. First, the pizza program 15 minutes, then the RYE BREAD program. I am sure that I put the ingredients as usual on the electronic scale, and the bread did not work out. It tasted normal, but the dome collapsed and the crumb was loose. It feels like a lot of liquid. I don't do more such experiments.

Only earlier than after Christmas, most likely nothing new will be brought.

Duc ... and hto are they after that? Our people love to celebrate, what a trade there is! : santa: I don’t think that our family is the only one who these days has formed a desire to buy household appliances into the house ... My muschs (son and husband) sat out like me with x \ n, with my "Wishlist" DVD, so now we pin up each other ... the roasted rooster pecked us somewhere ... But before N.G. there was no time ...

Duc ... and hto are they after that? Our people love to celebrate, what a trade there is! : santa: I don’t think that our family is the only one that these days has formed a desire to buy household appliances into the house ... now we pin up each other ... the roasted rooster pecked us somewhere ... But before N.G. there was no time ...

I have a similar problem - I decided to buy a multicooker for NG, I saw it on the 20th in the store and even felt it. And I went to buy on the 30th - that's it! No, and when it will be unknown, I'm afraid that I won't even get it by my birthday!
So bummer not only happened to you.

I read everything on the forum and chose Panasonic 255, although the design was not very pleasing. But when I went shopping I couldn't buy it anywhere, only 254 was, but I didn't want it. But when I saw in the store Moulinex 5004 with molds for baguettes (although this is not essential) I bought it without hesitation. Now I am a happy owner of Mulinex, I bake every day, everything works out, the bread is perfect, now the dough is kneading, I will try a stagnant bar, then I will report on the appropriate topic. And for those who doubt, I realized that you need to choose for the soul, all the stoves do it, so choose what you like.

Happy New Year everyone!!!

With multicooker, I strained it even on non-holidays, but before NG, in general, during the day with fire, you can't find it. One of our friends was looking for her under the Christmas tree for his wife, though he found it, but in the 12-13 store. Stubborn!

And for those who doubt, I realized that you need to choose for the soul, all the stoves do it, so choose what you like.

And this is true! Only with your soul you need to choose without looking back at other people's advice, otherwise then it can be excruciatingly painful from a mistake made on someone else's advice.

So bummer not only happened to you.

The law of meanness always works, however

With multicooker, I strained it even on non-holidays, but before NG, in general, during the day with fire, you can't find it. One of our friends was looking for her under the Christmas tree for his wife, though he found it, but in the 12-13 store. Stubborn!

I respect such muscovites! Pretty boy!

But when I saw in the store Moulinex 5004 with molds for baguettes (although this is not essential) I bought it without hesitation.

Oksana, what city do you live in? And immodest, but still a question - how much did it cost? I'm just wondering if 5004 Mulya in the internet is almost 6 thousand, then a store like M-VIDEO for her, how much will it bend then when they have it? I predict that 7-7.5 thousand .....

[Boyaka's cat]

Boyaka's cat I live in Dnepropetrovsk, Ukraine, my stove, along with a New Year's discount, cost about 250 dollars, I saw it by chance, in a store (by the way, Megamax, do you have one?) and the seller said that they were brought two in the morning, took one in the afternoon and the second I'm in the evening. And before that I had climbed our online stores and had never seen such a model anywhere, although I had to order in Foxtrt.
Good luck with your purchase

[Does mulinex really knock when kneading?]

there was a question - and Does mulinex really knock when kneading?

In general, studying the issue again - mule or panas all the same came to the conclusion that panas is better. I did not find any serious flaws, except for the design and a possible yellow spot on the wall, which, as it turned out, does not pose a danger and the absence of a window is possible. However, I am going to buy a mule all the same. Obstinacy probably

[Does mulinex really knock when kneading?]

there was a question - and Does mulinex really knock when kneading?

A couple of times I heard a soft knock, but I thought that it should be so (the knock was quite quiet), and then he completely disappeared somewhere. I still don’t know what it was, but it no longer knocks.

Nothing knocks at me!
I suppose that a knock may appear due to a bucket that is incorrectly inserted into the grooves or the HP is not on a flat surface.

At 3000 Mulke, nothing knocked at me either, but she worked much louder than Panas. If we compare the sound of their work, then it really turns out that Mulya knocks, and Panas hums. Let both stoves be turned on in the store, and you can compare how they work.

Moulinex is just a complete fly! function rye bread is in this model.

[Boyaka's cat]

"If the hands are golden, it doesn't matter where they grow from ..."


Boyaka's cat, I have Hitachi 303, which is already 10 years old, it does not have the function of rye bread, but it copes with it, following your quote above, perfectly, it even bakes with sourdough.

The rest of the search for something else, add. programs are empty chores! Read on the site how people get out of the situation in different situations, start your own diary of useful advice, learn to bake, accumulate information. The bread maker with all the programs, you don't have it yet, that you will use everything and everything will work out right away, and you don't need to open another branch for this.

HP was purchased in the person of Mulinex. Not ugly

But the problem of the crust apparently did not pass me by. It was immediately set to maximum for testing and how it baked pale to horror, although it tasted good (I haven't tried it myself yet). True, maybe it was still from kneading, they just tried to knead water, flour, sugar + salt. Maybe these ingredients aren't enough to make a good crispy crust? Although ... don't throw tomatoes at me. I'm not a baker. I should probably try other recipes

Apparently you have to turn the screw. By the way, who twisted, tell me in more detail what and where to twist and in which direction, so as not to re-read the entire forum in search of information.

HP was purchased in the person of Mulinex. Not ugly

Good luck to you! I haven’t bought it yet .... So which Mulya did they take? 5002?
Today I saw Mulka-3000 in O'KEY, but I didn't want 3000, but I was curious to pull out the bucket and see what kind of screw everyone was twisting ...

HP was purchased in the person of Mulinex. Not ugly
Apparently you have to turn the screw. By the way, who twisted, tell me in more detail what and where to twist and in which direction, so as not to re-read the entire forum in search of information.

One second and a search engine is all you need

[Federer]

Federer I don't know what happened to your crust, I also read about such problems in Mulineshki, but I never had this. I always bake on a medium crust and the crust turns out to be golden, moderately crispy, and the first time it was even slightly overcooked. So do not rush to twist the cogs, but sort out the recipes.

HP was purchased in the person of Mulinex. Not ugly

But the problem of the crust apparently did not pass me by. It was immediately set to maximum for testing and how it baked pale to horror, although it tasted good (I haven't tried it myself yet). True, maybe it was still from kneading, they just tried to knead water, flour, sugar + salt. Maybe these ingredients aren't enough to make a good crispy crust? Although ... don't throw tomatoes at me. I'm not a baker. I should probably try other recipes

Apparently you have to turn the screw. By the way, who twisted, tell me in more detail what and where to twist and in which direction, so as not to re-read the entire forum in search of information.

About the self-tapping screw here: https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...mf&Itemid=26&topic=968.30
But by the first bread (especially as I understood French - that is, without milk and sugar), do not judge the quality of baked goods. Not all Mulinex owners have problems with the crust. But someone was not lucky - and the point here is the quality of the assembly - someone has "crooked handles". And the pallor of the first few loaves was noted here by the owners of the Mulinexes and Kenwoods, but then it passed by itself - the oven was "warming up"!

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the screw has not yet been twisted ... once

it should be noted that the sides are obtained with a dark crust and the top is white. I leafed through the Mulinex 5002 recipe book and there is, for example, a photo of Muffins, where you can say that one to one by color we get a loaf.
We do not argue - the bread is tasty, but it has no presentation. All the same, we will revel in a screw.

By the way, the question arose - the mixers remain in the dough and the bread is baked with them. And then when you take out the bread - all the same, I think they disfigure the bread a little from the bottom and inside, leaving slits in the bread. Can anyone try to take them out somehow before baking?

This hurts you very much or prevents you from eating bread.

There is so much time devoted to this hole on the site, read it yourself.

By the way, the question arose - the mixers remain in the dough and the bread is baked with them. And then when you take out the bread - all the same, I think they disfigure the bread a little from the bottom and inside, leaving slits in the bread. Can anyone try to take them out somehow before baking?

At one time I took out the mixer when baking rye bread, since there is only one batch. So what: there is no slot, and the hole is all the same from the shaft on which the mixer is put on.Now I don't do that anymore, because I don't see the point in it, and it's hard to wash my hands off the sticky rye dough.

On the question of where to buy: I bought my Panasonic 255 right on December 29 ... I tried to buy it through the Internet for a week - three sites first confirmed the availability on the next day they said - sorry madam ... (this is for those who are looking for in Moscow). I found several places where my Panasonic and Molynex were on sale and in the same place in a heap of tents I saw a Panasonic multicooker .. At prices I can only say about Panasonic 255 and it cost 5250. It works great and has already eaten bread and dumplings more than once, so I advise a place where you can do everything buy it))